PhoenixGrey wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.
With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.
You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.
Please go ahead and create one.
The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.
PhoenixGrey wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.
With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.
You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.
Please go ahead and create one.
The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.
Yeah that's a lie.
thankyourat wrote: »I'm surprised they weren't nerf this update honestly.
You didn't read the patch notes.
Hardened ward took a 20% shield reduction
Pets got their shield capped at 50% of their max HP
Pets took 50% less healing
Matriarch, scamp and cheesy pets monster set/5 pieces set deal 15% less damage when using deadric prey.
Sorcerer got nerfed, people was just too much cared about NB and Necro to notice it.
Almost everything you listed were bug fixes.
Doesn't matter. Sorcs were made weaker this patch, intentions aside. Can't argue that.
If it's enough, that's the debate.
And for everyone else here, I wanna ask where that "L2P, adapt" attitude has gone that us sorcs have heard so often in the past. Not nice to be on the receiving end and then being thrown this crab into your face, is it?
And stamina players can pipe down as a whole. Only exception stamsorc. You know you've been OP since Dark Brotherhood.
The reason people always tell sorcs to adapt is because sorcs are always either op or just under being op and sorcs still complain. The problem is that magsorc has a lot of casual players who just aren’t that good. So when they lose they think the class is fine because players can still beat them. When in reality they are losing because they just aren’t that good. Currently magsorcs are on a whole different level then the next best class.
Yeah that goes both ways mate. Feel free to mention the casual sorcs who just arent that good but feel free to also mention the casuals who get their butts kicked and will always complain no matter what.
Lets not forget that crittable shields that take resistances into account was a change asked mostly by non sorcs complaining about everything while people who actually play the class were telling them that they have no idea what they are talking about. And after ZOS did what they wanted with shields with the added hp cap on top, the same people are running around now complaining that shields are stronger than ever.
So yeah, there is that. Im sure those people are perfectly capable to talk about the class and people who play sorc and actually warned ZOS how broken rune cage would be, how pets are impossible to balance, how frag non cc is horrible and making shields taking resistances into account is like opening pandoras box are mostly casuals who just want to be OP.
Say what? That’s not how I remember things going down. I don’t know who asked for the changes, but I do remember magsorcs crying like crazy about it. Heck, I still see magsorcs claiming they were nerfed.
Players do overreact with any change for sure. You see it in every class, I think the difference is so many sorcs continue to whine even when they’re buffed. They either don’t acknowledge or understand when they’ve been buffed, and continue to ask for nerfs to almost every other class.
all of this started because removal of shield breaker set.
we need shield breaker set back and the problem also with their pets being constantly in the way.
Say what? That’s not how I remember things going down. I don’t know who asked for the changes, but I do remember magsorcs crying like crazy about it. Heck, I still see magsorcs claiming they were nerfed.
Players do overreact with any change for sure. You see it in every class, I think the difference is so many sorcs continue to whine even when they’re buffed. They either don’t acknowledge or understand when they’ve been buffed, and continue to ask for nerfs to almost every other class.
PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.
With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.
You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.
Please go ahead and create one.
The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.
Yeah that's a lie.
Stamblade actually got buffed Daus ! looks like u still haven't realized that
PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Says the one who is corroborating with other potatoes respawning in this thread and calling me delusional lol !
Even if mag sorc is as strong as you claim, I really dont understand what's the problem with having strong classes in the game.
I am sure it's not fun even for a streamer to get repeatedly zerged down by premade zerglings in BG's or small scale stam groups in open world pvp.
I believe in balance phoenix. equitable balance. it's why i play no-cp. it's why i do not use bash necro despite mostly playing stamcro the past few weeks. it's why i don't stack the deck with premades to stomp pugs..
the magsorc is extremely overtuned at the moment. the only people that object to this statement are infact magsorcs such as yourself.
maybe try participating in a no-cp pvp environment on something not extremely overtuned for a change. give yourself a little perspective. you need it, because right now you're completely delusional
i didnt use HW at all because dark conversion was sufficient to heal, it was instant and not affected by defile. dodging was much better way to survive in 1vx than shields stacking but they nerfed this kind of builds by adding resistances to the wards.It's true that Magblade suffered most from Healing Ward nerf but those weeks after Murkmire were a nightmare for Magsorc on PVP No CP.
psychotic13 wrote: »Well Kurt, use the ankle lock..
Guys... just stop bumping this unproductive thread, started by an undifferentiated general rant of someone who apparently does not understand the game and never seriously played sorc.
psychotic13 wrote: »Well Kurt, use the ankle lock..
xDDDDD
Fireman Carry FTW
To OP
The other day I logged out very annoyed and frustrated... there was this NB spamming lethal arrow and cloaking anytime he wanted. I popped out my wings, but they did nothing. Blocking and popping out wings didn't work and somehow I ended up without stam soon (maybe a poison?). I wasn't able to land a single hit.
I imagine that any NB or Sorc could hae just cloaked away/streaked away, but as a mDK the only thing I could do was to die a very frustrating death.
And today I read about a guy complaining about sorcs and who mentions the "well deserved" nerf to wings...
Wings countered sorcs and snipe spammers... now deal with them
PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.
With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.
You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.
Please go ahead and create one.
The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.
Yeah that's a lie.
Stamblade actually got buffed Daus ! looks like u still haven't realized that
Are you delirious? I never said anything about stamblades nor denied that they got buffed. I wonder what words you'll put in my mouth next.
TRUEIlluvatarr wrote: »Hit dodge once every 6 seconds. You don’t even need to cleanse curse. Just watch for when it is on you then dodge when it’s about to pop. Heal. Charge the sorc. Kill them.
A lot of these posts seem to be coming from stam players who are uncomfortable with the fact their absolute dominance of pvp for the past few years is being challenged by a mag class.
Adapt to the new reality.
PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.
With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.
You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.
Please go ahead and create one.
The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.
Yeah that's a lie.
Stamblade actually got buffed Daus ! looks like u still haven't realized that
Are you delirious? I never said anything about stamblades nor denied that they got buffed. I wonder what words you'll put in my mouth next.
How am I delirious? You really think a well played stamblade or stam dk would die to a mag sorc especially after the recent buffs ?
PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.
With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.
You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.
Please go ahead and create one.
The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.
Yeah that's a lie.
Stamblade actually got buffed Daus ! looks like u still haven't realized that
Are you delirious? I never said anything about stamblades nor denied that they got buffed. I wonder what words you'll put in my mouth next.
How am I delirious? You really think a well played stamblade or stam dk would die to a mag sorc especially after the recent buffs ?
Because you're having a made up debate with me, that's why. You're retorting to a claim that I never made. So if you're not in a state of delirium then what's your excuse? Just felt like putting words in my mouth?
PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.
With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.
You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.
Please go ahead and create one.
The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.
Yeah that's a lie.
Stamblade actually got buffed Daus ! looks like u still haven't realized that
Are you delirious? I never said anything about stamblades nor denied that they got buffed. I wonder what words you'll put in my mouth next.
How am I delirious? You really think a well played stamblade or stam dk would die to a mag sorc especially after the recent buffs ?
Because you're having a made up debate with me, that's why. You're retorting to a claim that I never made. So if you're not in a state of delirium then what's your excuse? Just felt like putting words in my mouth?
You claimed that I lied about competent stam players not able to kill a mag sorc.
If you are not aware there were multiple specs buffed last patch which can shred a mag sorc and one of them is apparently the one you play, you should probably be more self aware before passing judgements.
PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Say what? That’s not how I remember things going down. I don’t know who asked for the changes, but I do remember magsorcs crying like crazy about it. Heck, I still see magsorcs claiming they were nerfed.
Players do overreact with any change for sure. You see it in every class, I think the difference is so many sorcs continue to whine even when they’re buffed. They either don’t acknowledge or understand when they’ve been buffed, and continue to ask for nerfs to almost every other class.
Sure the solo sorc was buffed by a bit by the changes to pets.
But you know the zergling sorc was buffed much more due to resists on shields leading to these potato threads.
They just need to keep hardened ward up and dps'ing with a pocket healer providing all the healing and resists
No longer they need to choose between keeping 3 shields up to stay alive or dps'ing.
Sure those 3 shields were non crittable and huge but you had to choose between offence and defence !
Now you need to get through 25k resists with a 28k health pool now after the shield goes down thanks to all the potatoes who complained on the forums and now you ask why sorcs complain after the buffs !
No competent sorc ever asked for these thrash tier buffs.
Bottom line: don't ask for sorc nerfs, you will still be disappointed afterwards.
What happened to that mentality that we should refrain from nerfs and rather buff underperforming classes? Are we skipping this for sorcs?