The "Balance" of Mag Sorcs

banana_error

Change the pet to be like NB shade. 20 sec duration untargetable spectral matriwhatever. Everything else can stay the same.

Sanguinor2

Daus wrote: »

Do you not play your own class? Your whip is so broken right now

I do, I´d still take wings that reflect ults and infinite projectiles, dynamic ult gen, old cinderstorm, old inferno over the new molten Whip.

usmguy1234

Zos does need to fix the pets to where they don't teleport to their owner when they streak away. They'll literally pop right in front of you and get in the way.

Idinuse

psychotic13 wrote: »

Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.

With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.

Iskiab

Idinuse wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.

With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.

You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.

Are you actually complaining that sorcs have to use defensive sets - like every other class in the game - to be tanky? How broken were they before that they didn’t need to?

Sanguinor2

Iskiab wrote: »

You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.

Are you actually complaining that sorcs have to use defensive sets - like every other class in the game - to be tanky? How broken were they before that they didn’t need to?

Sorcs could run well fitted or divines or whatever the hell they wanted with old shields^^ no Need for impen if your shields that scale with your magicka cant be crit.

oxygen_thief

Arzharo wrote: »

Anyone who says magsorcs are balanced are either a delusional magsorc main or a moron and that's fact. No amount of "L2P OMEGALULW" will change that. They're not just op, they're straight up BROKEN right now.

its so eloquent and persuasive. it can be used as a template

Anyone who says %YOUR_CLASS% are balanced are either a delusional %YOUR_CLASS% main or a moron and that's fact. No amount of "L2P OMEGALULW" will change that. They're not just op, they're straight up BROKEN right now.

darkblue5

Iskiab wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.

With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.

You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.

Are you actually complaining that sorcs have to use defensive sets - like every other class in the game - to be tanky? How broken were they before that they didn’t need to?

Not as broken as people remember. There were relatively few sorcs running around just before Murkmire changes. Old shields got pretty bad pretty fast when out numbered. The fact that mitigation scales off all incoming damage means one of the old magsorc complaints, that their shields didn't scale with incoming damage, is now fixed.
Two big changes have favored magsorcs. Pet changes and the new Amplitude passive. The Amplitude passive is miles better for magsorc than stamsorc in PvP too.
The most annoying thing solo when I play as or play against magsorcs is the pet thing. I've been hyped that they buffed the WW Berserker morph because I don't like LOS in pets. I don't like fighting against someone who does. I know there are ways to counter it and that iT Is sKiLLfuL pLaY tHAt iS PrOPerLy rEwArdEd. It feels like a cheesy use of the awkward tab targeting getting overridden by other targets thing.
Sure, LOS in pets is not nearly as relevant in more organized group play which is becoming a greater and greater fraction of the PvP going on at all times. LOS in pets is also counterable by LOSing around buildings/rocks to temporarily separate sorc from Matriach and avoid atronach. If the magsorc doesn't chase then that counter loses some value as far as actually killing the magsorc.

Removing LOSing with pets for all spec by improving tab-targeting would reduce a lot of the sorc hatred. (That said even without LOSing in pets magsorcs are top tier solo and could probably easily withstand some slight nerfs.)

PhoenixGrey

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Do you not play your own class? Your whip is so broken right now

I do, I´d still take wings that reflect ults and infinite projectiles, dynamic ult gen, old cinderstorm, old inferno over the new molten Whip.

I would really like dynamic ulti and a buff to mist form added to mag dk's

mursie wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Your idea of balance sounds like you want to nerf the *** out of classes to make them viable only to zerglings which is why most zergs are mag heavy. How does class, skill or gear even matter to ppl running in zergs ? Why on earth will someone spend time or resources to balance things around that *** which is barely even watchable let alone playable.

the sole focus, purpose, point, and reason for my post in this thread was to call out the mag sorc delusionals that sit here and defend their over-tuned class with complete blissful ignorance.

It pains me that i find you among them.

There is no way mag sorc is overturned or OP for the kind of PVP I usually engage in but I agree it's definitely stronger than other mag classes in the game.

If mag dk's tomorrow got back their dynamic ultimate I would not call them overturned or OP.

I am not delusional or anything, it's just that my idea of balance is a bit different and it doesnt not concur with the rest of the potatoes in this thread.

bagon

KurtAngle2 wrote: »

How do developers feel about having a class that can easily be played by turds being able to dish *** of damage, have the best mobility in the game, pets that *** up the targeting whilst dealing consistently HIGH damage and ABSURD heals and also the best shields in the game? They rightfully nerfed broken things like old Reflective Scales and even went for straight changes to skills that have always defined a class from the early release of ESO (Relentless Focus giving Minor Berserk), yet they can't freaking remove the entire *** class scaling off Magicka for EVERYTHING (Damage, Sustain and Survivability).

Pathetic really

Remove pets. Bring back initial heal on healing ward, overload bar (so i can actually use my class buffs you know) and frag cc. Then we wont have any issues.

ItsNotLiving

People don’t understand that with out magsorc stamnb will destroy open world PvP, and without stamnb magsorc would dominate. It’s two sides of the same coin and that’s why there’s so much hate between the two.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I'm surprised they weren't nerf this update honestly.

You didn't read the patch notes.

Hardened ward took a 20% shield reduction

Pets got their shield capped at 50% of their max HP

Pets took 50% less healing

Matriarch, scamp and cheesy pets monster set/5 pieces set deal 15% less damage when using deadric prey.

Sorcerer got nerfed, people was just too much cared about NB and Necro to notice it.

Almost everything you listed were bug fixes.

Doesn't matter. Sorcs were made weaker this patch, intentions aside. Can't argue that.
If it's enough, that's the debate.

And for everyone else here, I wanna ask where that "L2P, adapt" attitude has gone that us sorcs have heard so often in the past. Not nice to be on the receiving end and then being thrown this crab into your face, is it?
And stamina players can pipe down as a whole. Only exception stamsorc. You know you've been OP since Dark Brotherhood.

The reason people always tell sorcs to adapt is because sorcs are always either op or just under being op and sorcs still complain. The problem is that magsorc has a lot of casual players who just aren’t that good. So when they lose they think the class is fine because players can still beat them. When in reality they are losing because they just aren’t that good. Currently magsorcs are on a whole different level then the next best class.

darkblue5

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Do you not play your own class? Your whip is so broken right now

I do, I´d still take wings that reflect ults and infinite projectiles, dynamic ult gen, old cinderstorm, old inferno over the new molten Whip.

I would really like dynamic ulti and a buff to mist form added to mag dk's

mursie wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Your idea of balance sounds like you want to nerf the *** out of classes to make them viable only to zerglings which is why most zergs are mag heavy. How does class, skill or gear even matter to ppl running in zergs ? Why on earth will someone spend time or resources to balance things around that *** which is barely even watchable let alone playable.

the sole focus, purpose, point, and reason for my post in this thread was to call out the mag sorc delusionals that sit here and defend their over-tuned class with complete blissful ignorance.

It pains me that i find you among them.

There is no way mag sorc is overturned or OP for the kind of PVP I usually engage in but I agree it's definitely stronger than other mag classes in the game.

If mag dk's tomorrow got back their dynamic ultimate I would not call them overturned or OP.

I am not delusional or anything, it's just that my idea of balance is a bit different and it doesnt not concur with the rest of the potatoes in this thread.

We found the person defending dynamic ulti-gen . I always theorized they had to exist!
Dynamic ulti-gen probably wouldn't favor DKs anymore regardless... just perma Permafrost 24/7/365.

pieratsos

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.

Are you actually complaining that sorcs have to use defensive sets - like every other class in the game - to be tanky? How broken were they before that they didn’t need to?

Sorcs could run well fitted or divines or whatever the hell they wanted with old shields^^ no Need for impen if your shields that scale with your magicka cant be crit.

And yet the majority of sorcs were running impen. And those who weren't they were running well fitted to have good dodge roll capabilities. The vast majority of sorcs were also running 15-20k stamina and good Stam regen. They still do now.

I understand that it's easy to bring this up to support this "sorc OP" argument, but regardless of how well sorcs were/are performing, this fairytale that sorcs run around with full dmg setups is exactly that, a fairytale.

oxygen_thief

pieratsos wrote: »

they were running well fitted to have good dodge roll capabilities. The vast majority of sorcs were also running 15-20k stamina and good Stam regen.

i did it till the nerf of resto ult. now iam going to be a petsorc. zos pushes us to a pet spec so a zoo build its totally fine for them.

Gilvoth

all of this started because removal of shield breaker set.
we need shield breaker set back and the problem also with their pets being constantly in the way.

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I'm surprised they weren't nerf this update honestly.

You didn't read the patch notes.

Hardened ward took a 20% shield reduction

Pets got their shield capped at 50% of their max HP

Pets took 50% less healing

Matriarch, scamp and cheesy pets monster set/5 pieces set deal 15% less damage when using deadric prey.

Sorcerer got nerfed, people was just too much cared about NB and Necro to notice it.

Almost everything you listed were bug fixes.

Doesn't matter. Sorcs were made weaker this patch, intentions aside. Can't argue that.
If it's enough, that's the debate.

And for everyone else here, I wanna ask where that "L2P, adapt" attitude has gone that us sorcs have heard so often in the past. Not nice to be on the receiving end and then being thrown this crab into your face, is it?
And stamina players can pipe down as a whole. Only exception stamsorc. You know you've been OP since Dark Brotherhood.

The reason people always tell sorcs to adapt is because sorcs are always either op or just under being op and sorcs still complain. The problem is that magsorc has a lot of casual players who just aren’t that good. So when they lose they think the class is fine because players can still beat them. When in reality they are losing because they just aren’t that good. Currently magsorcs are on a whole different level then the next best class.

Nope. Stam classes have been wiping the floor with magsorcs since DB, with a short exception of Summerset. Remember the Legend duel tournaments? Sorcs were a joke. Only when pets were made viable did sorcs become on par with stam classes. And now you're just annoyed that you don't get the easy kills anymore. All your "skill" was just an imbalance between the classes.

pieratsos

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I'm surprised they weren't nerf this update honestly.

You didn't read the patch notes.

Hardened ward took a 20% shield reduction

Pets got their shield capped at 50% of their max HP

Pets took 50% less healing

Matriarch, scamp and cheesy pets monster set/5 pieces set deal 15% less damage when using deadric prey.

Sorcerer got nerfed, people was just too much cared about NB and Necro to notice it.

Almost everything you listed were bug fixes.

Doesn't matter. Sorcs were made weaker this patch, intentions aside. Can't argue that.
If it's enough, that's the debate.

And for everyone else here, I wanna ask where that "L2P, adapt" attitude has gone that us sorcs have heard so often in the past. Not nice to be on the receiving end and then being thrown this crab into your face, is it?
And stamina players can pipe down as a whole. Only exception stamsorc. You know you've been OP since Dark Brotherhood.

The reason people always tell sorcs to adapt is because sorcs are always either op or just under being op and sorcs still complain. The problem is that magsorc has a lot of casual players who just aren’t that good. So when they lose they think the class is fine because players can still beat them. When in reality they are losing because they just aren’t that good. Currently magsorcs are on a whole different level then the next best class.

Yeah that goes both ways mate. Feel free to mention the casual sorcs who just arent that good but feel free to also mention the casuals who get their butts kicked and will always complain no matter what.

Lets not forget that crittable shields that take resistances into account was a change asked mostly by non sorcs complaining about everything while people who actually play the class were telling them that they have no idea what they are talking about. And after ZOS did what they wanted with shields with the added hp cap on top, the same people are running around now complaining that shields are stronger than ever.

So yeah, there is that. Im sure those people are perfectly capable to talk about the class and people who play sorc and actually warned ZOS how broken rune cage would be, how pets are impossible to balance, how frag non cc is horrible and making shields taking resistances into account is like opening pandoras box are mostly casuals who just want to be OP.

Vietfox

Iskiab wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.

With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.

You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.

Lol, you don't?
I made my first one on PC 3 days after setting foot in Cyro back in 2015.
I know i barely knew anything about pvp and any class could easily kill me, but i noticed the huge gap between magsorcs and the rest of the classes.
I don't main a magsorc but it's always there in case i feel like playing on the ez mode.

PS: currently making a pet sorc on ps4

Idinuse

Iskiab wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.

With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.

You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.

Are you actually complaining that sorcs have to use defensive sets - like every other class in the game - to be tanky? How broken were they before that they didn’t need to?

No I'm saying Sorcs have to use tanky sets to stand a snow balls chance in hell in any encounter. But you go ahead with your backseat Sorc insights. ^^b

Phreeki

Another nerf sorc thread posted by someone who has never played the class so you have no idea what you are talking about. If you are not a brain dead potato sorcs are easy to counter.

If you don't know how to counter a sorc just watch the many vids of people showing you how.
Stop crying for nerfs because you got beat in a fight by a better player.

Good players dont cry for nerfs to a class, they learn how to beat said class.
Stop being a crybaby.

PhoenixGrey

Iskiab wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.

With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.

You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.

Please go ahead and create one.

The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.

Katahdin

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Even if mag sorc is as strong as you claim, I really dont understand what's the problem with having strong classes in the game.

I guess it's ok to have strong classes as long as it's only the class you play right?

PhoenixGrey

Katahdin wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Even if mag sorc is as strong as you claim, I really dont understand what's the problem with having strong classes in the game.

I guess it's ok to have strong classes as long as it's only the class you play right?

I would play other free AP magika specs if they were buffed enough to be viable for open world pvp.

WildRaptorX

I’m glad people are finally saying something about sorcs. Not enough is said since the majority of the forums obviously play sorcs

MassiveFumes

are people actually arguing magsorc is balanced? lol

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I'm surprised they weren't nerf this update honestly.

You didn't read the patch notes.

Hardened ward took a 20% shield reduction

Pets got their shield capped at 50% of their max HP

Pets took 50% less healing

Matriarch, scamp and cheesy pets monster set/5 pieces set deal 15% less damage when using deadric prey.

Sorcerer got nerfed, people was just too much cared about NB and Necro to notice it.

Almost everything you listed were bug fixes.

Doesn't matter. Sorcs were made weaker this patch, intentions aside. Can't argue that.
If it's enough, that's the debate.

And for everyone else here, I wanna ask where that "L2P, adapt" attitude has gone that us sorcs have heard so often in the past. Not nice to be on the receiving end and then being thrown this crab into your face, is it?
And stamina players can pipe down as a whole. Only exception stamsorc. You know you've been OP since Dark Brotherhood.

The reason people always tell sorcs to adapt is because sorcs are always either op or just under being op and sorcs still complain. The problem is that magsorc has a lot of casual players who just aren’t that good. So when they lose they think the class is fine because players can still beat them. When in reality they are losing because they just aren’t that good. Currently magsorcs are on a whole different level then the next best class.

Nope. Stam classes have been wiping the floor with magsorcs since DB, with a short exception of Summerset. Remember the Legend duel tournaments? Sorcs were a joke. Only when pets were made viable did sorcs become on par with stam classes. And now you're just annoyed that you don't get the easy kills anymore. All your "skill" was just an imbalance between the classes.

That’s only true of dueling though in controlled environments. For open world magsorc has always been top 3 with most of the time being the overall best class. Also I played sorc exclusively for over half a year around the time of 1T and it’s my second overall most played class behind magblade. Sorc has never been a easy kill In the 4 or so years I’ve been playing. While in that time sorc has spent a good portion of it being outright op.

LordTareq

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Also, shields were changed, health and resistance is factored into them now, its not just about magicka. Though that being said, shields are stronger than ever now.

With sets like Armor Master and i.e. Mighty Chudan's instead of any other offensive Monster Set or Sustain/DMG set yes. When building for max mag and SD, not so much. It's typical that when a class adapts by making sacrefices, the community whines. You people will not be staisfied untill the class has the lowest max mag, SD, sustain and survivability possible. But I guess the way Templars were whined to death a while back got you guys's dander up.

You know sorc is the one class I don’t have, but now I think I should make one because after reading this they must be completely broken.

Please go ahead and create one.

The minute you fight a bunch of stam players who are not potatoes, your mag sorc will get shredded to bits.

Yeah... when you fight a bunch of them at the same time.
Try fighting a bunch of sorcerers on your own as any other class. Will that have a different outcome?

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I'm surprised they weren't nerf this update honestly.

You didn't read the patch notes.

Hardened ward took a 20% shield reduction

Pets got their shield capped at 50% of their max HP

Pets took 50% less healing

Matriarch, scamp and cheesy pets monster set/5 pieces set deal 15% less damage when using deadric prey.

Sorcerer got nerfed, people was just too much cared about NB and Necro to notice it.

Almost everything you listed were bug fixes.

Doesn't matter. Sorcs were made weaker this patch, intentions aside. Can't argue that.
If it's enough, that's the debate.

And for everyone else here, I wanna ask where that "L2P, adapt" attitude has gone that us sorcs have heard so often in the past. Not nice to be on the receiving end and then being thrown this crab into your face, is it?
And stamina players can pipe down as a whole. Only exception stamsorc. You know you've been OP since Dark Brotherhood.

The reason people always tell sorcs to adapt is because sorcs are always either op or just under being op and sorcs still complain. The problem is that magsorc has a lot of casual players who just aren’t that good. So when they lose they think the class is fine because players can still beat them. When in reality they are losing because they just aren’t that good. Currently magsorcs are on a whole different level then the next best class.

Nope. Stam classes have been wiping the floor with magsorcs since DB, with a short exception of Summerset. Remember the Legend duel tournaments? Sorcs were a joke. Only when pets were made viable did sorcs become on par with stam classes. And now you're just annoyed that you don't get the easy kills anymore. All your "skill" was just an imbalance between the classes.

That’s only true of dueling though in controlled environments. For open world magsorc has always been top 3 with most of the time being the overall best class. Also I played sorc exclusively for over half a year around the time of 1T and it’s my second overall most played class behind magblade. Sorc has never been a easy kill In the 4 or so years I’ve been playing. While in that time sorc has spent a good portion of it being outright op.

Yeah, sorc is good at streaking away, true. But when you actually need to stand your ground, so not out in the open world, things are different.
When do you think sorcs were OP?

Iskiab

pieratsos wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I'm surprised they weren't nerf this update honestly.

You didn't read the patch notes.

Hardened ward took a 20% shield reduction

Pets got their shield capped at 50% of their max HP

Pets took 50% less healing

Matriarch, scamp and cheesy pets monster set/5 pieces set deal 15% less damage when using deadric prey.

Sorcerer got nerfed, people was just too much cared about NB and Necro to notice it.

Almost everything you listed were bug fixes.

Doesn't matter. Sorcs were made weaker this patch, intentions aside. Can't argue that.
If it's enough, that's the debate.

And for everyone else here, I wanna ask where that "L2P, adapt" attitude has gone that us sorcs have heard so often in the past. Not nice to be on the receiving end and then being thrown this crab into your face, is it?
And stamina players can pipe down as a whole. Only exception stamsorc. You know you've been OP since Dark Brotherhood.

The reason people always tell sorcs to adapt is because sorcs are always either op or just under being op and sorcs still complain. The problem is that magsorc has a lot of casual players who just aren’t that good. So when they lose they think the class is fine because players can still beat them. When in reality they are losing because they just aren’t that good. Currently magsorcs are on a whole different level then the next best class.

Yeah that goes both ways mate. Feel free to mention the casual sorcs who just arent that good but feel free to also mention the casuals who get their butts kicked and will always complain no matter what.

Lets not forget that crittable shields that take resistances into account was a change asked mostly by non sorcs complaining about everything while people who actually play the class were telling them that they have no idea what they are talking about. And after ZOS did what they wanted with shields with the added hp cap on top, the same people are running around now complaining that shields are stronger than ever.

So yeah, there is that. Im sure those people are perfectly capable to talk about the class and people who play sorc and actually warned ZOS how broken rune cage would be, how pets are impossible to balance, how frag non cc is horrible and making shields taking resistances into account is like opening pandoras box are mostly casuals who just want to be OP.

Say what? That’s not how I remember things going down. I don’t know who asked for the changes, but I do remember magsorcs crying like crazy about it. Heck, I still see magsorcs claiming they were nerfed.

Players do overreact with any change for sure. You see it in every class, I think the difference is so many sorcs continue to whine even when they’re buffed. They either don’t acknowledge or understand when they’ve been buffed, and continue to ask for nerfs to almost every other class.