The "Balance" of Mag Sorcs

gepe87

Don't worry, no matter which nerf we gonna get, Magsorc will always adapt just to collect even more tears.

mursie

Aedaryl wrote: »

the class is absolutely absurd in no-cp pvp. It has the best mobility, survivability, pressure, burst, and healing of all classes. period. oh yeah - and a moveable LOS at its disposal.

I would love to see something right and constructive about magsorc best in everything.

1. best mobility: streak / check
2. best surivability: breath of life heal from matriarch and class shield / check
3. best pressure: class curse that hits extremely hard and is instant cast along with pet damage that requires not attention/thought/direction from player to apply. Can literally read a magazine while the pet applies damage and/or CC depending on pets active. / check
4. best burst: crystal frag with the class mechanic ability to throw multiple instant cast burst frags in quick succession along with the insane class execute skill that can be PREEMPTIVELY applied to a target and then execute said target at a later duration while you have moved on to other matters / check
5. best healing - matriach heal that nearly equals the output of breath of life combined with the instant cast artificial heal of a shield. / check
6. Moveable LOS : see pets / check

Aedaryl

mursie wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

the class is absolutely absurd in no-cp pvp. It has the best mobility, survivability, pressure, burst, and healing of all classes. period. oh yeah - and a moveable LOS at its disposal.

I would love to see something right and constructive about magsorc best in everything.

1. best mobility: streak / check
2. best surivability: breath of life heal from matriarch and class shield / check
3. best pressure: class curse that hits extremely hard and is instant cast along with pet damage that requires not attention/thought/direction from player to apply. Can literally read a magazine while the pet applies damage and/or CC depending on pets active. / check
4. best burst: crystal frag with the class mechanic ability to throw multiple instant cast burst frags in quick succession along with the insane class execute skill that can be PREEMPTIVELY applied to a target and then execute said target at a later duration while you have moved on to other matters / check
5. best healing - matriach heal that nearly equals the output of breath of life combined with the instant cast artificial heal of a shield. / check
6. Moveable LOS : see pets / check

1. Sorc is about mobility, of course he has the best. You seems to forget that sorc is forced to go dark exhange because of streak, and that every non sorc got huge mobility buff from RaT allowing snare/immo removal and immunity + major expedition (combine with sprint and you are very mobile). You also forget how stamNB mobility is insane, different form compare to sorc, but cloak + shadow image allow stamblade to never be caught if played right.

2. Sorc doesn't have best survivability at all. There is a reason sorc streak for days when touched in cyrodiil, it's because survivability isn't as good as a (exemple here) stamdk. Shield is strong yeah, but not as strong as a high mitigation HoT S&B build.

3. Sorc doesn't have best pressure at all. Pressure is strong from matriarch, but nothing near a S&B bash with major defile + dot/bleed.

4. Best burst : yeah, to the cost of being the most telegraphed. You also forget that frag can not proc at all, this is the aspect from RNG. People doesn't go on execute range while you attack other people, this is wrong to think like that. The execute is very strong as well as 2h execute that scale on 50% and allow tons of damage making it hard to recover.

5. Sorc self healing is one of the worse. Matriarch tooltip is equal or lower than other burst heal but the most important is that sorc have no healing passives + it's the most expensive burst heal. In no way sorc have better healing than a stam class or magplar/magdk/magnecro/magden. The heal is good and here to recover HP under a shield.

6. Since pets got nerfed last patch with both their shield size and 50% nerf healing, this is very easy to kill the pet. If the sorc LoS in matriach, just kill it while keeping ur buff up, then put pressure on the sorc while he loost magicka, HP and healing.

Sorc is in a good position, but claiming it's better at everything is clearly misinformation.

mursie

Aedaryl wrote: »

Sorc is in a good position, but claiming it's better at everything is clearly misinformation.

weird. i read your post and every bullet point I wrote had the following response from you: "yeah it's strong/best but..."

yet somehow it's misinformation.

when you remove your head from your ass and use your eyeballs for their intended purpose.. perhaps your inability to clearly see what is common sense to others will be lifted.

here's hoping.

Beardimus

KurtAngle2 wrote: »

gepe87 wrote: »

Streak nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Frag nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Shields nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Healing Ward nerfed - Magsorc adapted

Whats your problem now?

Shields weren't really nerfed and the magsorcer got his pet ENORMOUSLY buffed to the point that they do *** of dps and healings whilst messing with targeting. All of this whilst maintaining great dps and best execute in the game

The execute that got a Nerf right? Unsure if you played in 2018 but sorcs were in a sorry state after frag Nerf. A small crappy window of rune cage OP aside and yet people still moaned.

Folks will always moan about sorcs. It's a thing, mainly for players not good enough to counter them. Regardless of how good or bad they are - wards were nerfed, people wanted then to Crit, and look what happened? Sorcs adapted and now run impen and able are less squishy with wards down.

At this point, keep the complaints coming. It's comical as no matter what gets nerfed it will keep coming. Sorcs are in a better place now that's do sho but mainly as people.moaned about stuff, it got changed and they adapted.

KurtAngle2

Beardimus wrote: »

KurtAngle2 wrote: »

gepe87 wrote: »

Streak nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Frag nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Shields nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Healing Ward nerfed - Magsorc adapted

Whats your problem now?

Shields weren't really nerfed and the magsorcer got his pet ENORMOUSLY buffed to the point that they do *** of dps and healings whilst messing with targeting. All of this whilst maintaining great dps and best execute in the game

The execute that got a Nerf right? Unsure if you played in 2018 but sorcs were in a sorry state after frag Nerf. A small crappy window of rune cage OP aside and yet people still moaned.

Folks will always moan about sorcs. It's a thing, mainly for players not good enough to counter them. Regardless of how good or bad they are - wards were nerfed, people wanted then to Crit, and look what happened? Sorcs adapted and now run impen and able are less squishy with wards down.

At this point, keep the complaints coming. It's comical as no matter what gets nerfed it will keep coming. Sorcs are in a better place now that's do sho but mainly as people.moaned about stuff, it got changed and they adapted.

And before that Sorcs had a 40 meters undodgeable/unblockable stun followed up by *** of upfront damage so that means NOTHING.
Sorcs toolkit was always overloaded like Nightblade's but ZoS only now decided to give a *** about it. (reworking/nerfing Nightblade). Sorcs mechanics are completely stupid and should have been changed long time ago like Reflective Scales (Which 100% countered any ranged projectile class) but since they didn't touch ANY of broken Sorc skills (broken in terms of Design) we're stuck now with a boring class that outperforms any other magicka class in the game and rivals Stamina in terms of mobility and cancer gameplay

ezio45

CAN WE PLEASE SPECIFY THAT THIS IS ABOUT PET SORCS

ya no.... the one thats playable and isnt a joke.....

oxygen_thief

Aedaryl wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

the class is absolutely absurd in no-cp pvp. It has the best mobility, survivability, pressure, burst, and healing of all classes. period. oh yeah - and a moveable LOS at its disposal.

I would love to see something right and constructive about magsorc best in everything.

1. best mobility: streak / check
2. best surivability: breath of life heal from matriarch and class shield / check
3. best pressure: class curse that hits extremely hard and is instant cast along with pet damage that requires not attention/thought/direction from player to apply. Can literally read a magazine while the pet applies damage and/or CC depending on pets active. / check
4. best burst: crystal frag with the class mechanic ability to throw multiple instant cast burst frags in quick succession along with the insane class execute skill that can be PREEMPTIVELY applied to a target and then execute said target at a later duration while you have moved on to other matters / check
5. best healing - matriach heal that nearly equals the output of breath of life combined with the instant cast artificial heal of a shield. / check
6. Moveable LOS : see pets / check

1. Sorc is about mobility, of course he has the best. You seems to forget that sorc is forced to go dark exhange because of streak, and that every non sorc got huge mobility buff from RaT allowing snare/immo removal and immunity + major expedition (combine with sprint and you are very mobile). You also forget how stamNB mobility is insane, different form compare to sorc, but cloak + shadow image allow stamblade to never be caught if played right.

2. Sorc doesn't have best survivability at all. There is a reason sorc streak for days when touched in cyrodiil, it's because survivability isn't as good as a (exemple here) stamdk. Shield is strong yeah, but not as strong as a high mitigation HoT S&B build.

3. Sorc doesn't have best pressure at all. Pressure is strong from matriarch, but nothing near a S&B bash with major defile + dot/bleed.

4. Best burst : yeah, to the cost of being the most telegraphed. You also forget that frag can not proc at all, this is the aspect from RNG. People doesn't go on execute range while you attack other people, this is wrong to think like that. The execute is very strong as well as 2h execute that scale on 50% and allow tons of damage making it hard to recover.

5. Sorc self healing is one of the worse. Matriarch tooltip is equal or lower than other burst heal but the most important is that sorc have no healing passives + it's the most expensive burst heal. In no way sorc have better healing than a stam class or magplar/magdk/magnecro/magden. The heal is good and here to recover HP under a shield.

6. Since pets got nerfed last patch with both their shield size and 50% nerf healing, this is very easy to kill the pet. If the sorc LoS in matriach, just kill it while keeping ur buff up, then put pressure on the sorc while he loost magicka, HP and healing.

Sorc is in a good position, but claiming it's better at everything is clearly misinformation.

how dare you to object? sorcs can kill anyone with the most powerful and unpredictable combo in the game curse+fury+frag. its known. also they can streak and heal themselves 24/7. its unacceptable

Aedaryl

mursie wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Sorc is in a good position, but claiming it's better at everything is clearly misinformation.

weird. i read your post and every bullet point I wrote had the following response from you: "yeah it's strong/best but..."

yet somehow it's misinformation.

when you remove your head from your ass and use your eyeballs for their intended purpose.. perhaps your inability to clearly see what is common sense to others will be lifted.

here's hoping.

Keep insult me, that's proove you have no argmument left.

Good is different than best.

That's why a stam DK, for exemple, can kill a magsorc.

PhoenixGrey

mursie wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

the class is absolutely absurd in no-cp pvp. It has the best mobility, survivability, pressure, burst, and healing of all classes. period. oh yeah - and a moveable LOS at its disposal.

I would love to see something right and constructive about magsorc best in everything.

1. best mobility: streak / check
2. best surivability: breath of life heal from matriarch and class shield / check
3. best pressure: class curse that hits extremely hard and is instant cast along with pet damage that requires not attention/thought/direction from player to apply. Can literally read a magazine while the pet applies damage and/or CC depending on pets active. / check
4. best burst: crystal frag with the class mechanic ability to throw multiple instant cast burst frags in quick succession along with the insane class execute skill that can be PREEMPTIVELY applied to a target and then execute said target at a later duration while you have moved on to other matters / check
5. best healing - matriach heal that nearly equals the output of breath of life combined with the instant cast artificial heal of a shield. / check
6. Moveable LOS : see pets / check

You need a reality check bud. There are a few more stam specs that are deleting 15 man zergs in IC and cyro. Those specs are a bit more superior or par to mag sorc.

Maybe it will help to get out of the bg cocoon every now and then and get out of the mag sorc bias you have got going atm

mursie

Aedaryl wrote: »

Keep insult me, that's proove you have no argmument left.

Good is different than best.

That's why a stam DK, for exemple, can kill a magsorc.

ok - so from your responses i just need to roll the class that has the mobility of a nightblade, the survivability of a stamdk, the healing of magplar, the burst of stam 2h, the pressure of a dot bleed build and the LOS blocking of an unkillable stone pillar.

after fully evaluating the list above, I've come to the logical conclusion that only a magsorc adequately allows me to check most if not all of those boxes. all other classes would have deficiencies in one area or another.

thanks for lifting the fog.

mursie

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

You need a reality check bud. There are a few more stam specs that are deleting 15 man zergs in IC and cyro. Those specs are a bit more superior or par to mag sorc.

Maybe it will help to get out of the bg cocoon every now and then and get out of the mag sorc bias you have got going atm

you are seriously a delusional mag sorc. bash necro aside, which everyone understands is broken.

Aedaryl

mursie wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Keep insult me, that's proove you have no argmument left.

Good is different than best.

That's why a stam DK, for exemple, can kill a magsorc.

ok - so from your responses i just need to roll the class that has the mobility of a nightblade, the survivability of a stamdk, the healing of magplar, the burst of stam 2h, the pressure of a dot bleed build and the LOS blocking of an unkillable stone pillar.

after fully evaluating the list above, I've come to the logical conclusion that only a magsorc adequately allows me to check most if not all of those boxes. all other classes would have deficiencies one one area or the other.

thanks for lifting the fog.

You just didn't read. You use words that wasn't in my mounth to make your's sounds better.

It's funny to go with the straw man fallacy :

"A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition."


Stam dk have better survivability than a magsorc.
Sorc is not even close to templar healing (magdk is)
2h burst has no sense, there is nothing weaker than a 2h burst. S&B deal more damage. And DBoS/leap + execute is not burst from 2h.
Dot bleed build have more pressure than matriarch
And I just explained you that matriarch is easy to kill.

Vietfox

Emma_Overload wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

Magicka Sorcerer has the strongest attack, the strongest defense, the strongest speed, the strongest pets.
Stupid ZOS is crazy about tasting Sorcerer's ass.

Gap closer spammers can easily and cheaply catch any streaking Sorc and then execute him because he's out of Magicka.

Sorcerers are not even close to having the strongest attack. DK leap, NB Incap, NB spectral bow, Stamden Sub-Dawnbreaker combo, Stamina Onslaught ganker, Necro Bash build.... All these are stronger attacks than anything Sorcs can do.

The only things Sorcs have that are really strong are the shields and the pets, both of which have seen nerfs in recent months.

Gotta admit i came over just to see how long did it take for @Emma_Overload to reply in this thread. Not disappointed.

PhoenixGrey

mursie wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

You need a reality check bud. There are a few more stam specs that are deleting 15 man zergs in IC and cyro. Those specs are a bit more superior or par to mag sorc.

Maybe it will help to get out of the bg cocoon every now and then and get out of the mag sorc bias you have got going atm

you are seriously a delusional mag sorc. bash necro aside, which everyone understands is broken.

Says the one who is corroborating with other potatoes respawning in this thread and calling me delusional lol !

Even if mag sorc is as strong as you claim, I really dont understand what's the problem with having strong classes in the game.
I am sure it's not fun even for a streamer to get repeatedly zerged down by premade zerglings in BG's or small scale stam groups in open world pvp. I really wouldn't mind if mag dk got its dynamic ulti back or some mist form buffs to give other mag classes much needed mobility and I would be open to playing other classes like you then

I have seen you play solo almost everytime. You are just shooting yourself in the foot with these absurd comments

Urvoth

master_vanargand wrote: »

Magicka Sorcerer has the strongest attack, the strongest defense, the strongest speed, the strongest pets.
Stupid ZOS is crazy about tasting Sorcerer's ass.

Hmm DKs can hit 10k+ spammable tooltips and yet sorc has the strongest attack, huh?

mursie

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Says the one who is corroborating with other potatoes respawning in this thread and calling me delusional lol !

Even if mag sorc is as strong as you claim, I really dont understand what's the problem with having strong classes in the game.
I am sure it's not fun even for a streamer to get repeatedly zerged down by premade zerglings in BG's or small scale stam groups in open world pvp.

I believe in balance phoenix. equitable balance. it's why i play no-cp. it's why i do not use bash necro despite mostly playing stamcro the past few weeks. it's why i don't stack the deck with premades to stomp pugs..

the magsorc is extremely overtuned at the moment. the only people that object to this statement are infact magsorcs such as yourself.

maybe try participating in a no-cp pvp environment on something not extremely overtuned for a change. give yourself a little perspective. you need it, because right now you're completely delusional

Urvoth

Didgerion wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

For real though, delete pets and you pretty much fix all the issues.

If they delete the pets they will need to add a heal, that most probably will scale of Spell Damage.

If you think that the mag-sorc hurts now wait until they fully spec into Spell Damage.

Watch out what your are asking for. Same thing happened to shields. Everyone cried for shields taking crit damage.
Well they are now. And sorcerers fully specked into impenetrable. And shields are stronger as result.

One more time - watch out what you are asking for.

Sorcs don't need a massive burst heal, what they need is something like the old healing ward that just gives enough to allow them to heal back up later. If power surge healed off direct damage, for instance, magsorcs would have a much more reliable HoT and wouldn't need the burst heal quite as badly.

Sanguinor2

Urvoth wrote: »

Hmm DKs can hit 10k+ spammable tooltips and yet sorc has the strongest attack, huh?

frags hit the same and bow hits harder if you have the same offensive stats, and no the 3 stack lash is no spammable just like the procced frag isnt, the 0 stack lash that is the spammable doesnt even hit close to 10k+.

Urvoth

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Hmm DKs can hit 10k+ spammable tooltips and yet sorc has the strongest attack, huh?

frags hit the same and bow hits harder if you have the same offensive stats, and no the 3 stack lash is no spammable just like the procced frag isnt, the 0 stack lash that is the spammable doesnt even hit close to 10k+.

From the molten whip morph? Frags and bow don't hit anywhere near that close. Molten is more reliable and hits for more than most ults.

Sanguinor2

Urvoth wrote: »

From the molten whip morph? Frags and bow don't hit anywhere near that close. Molten is more reliable and hits for more than most ults.

Look up skill coefficients and do the math. Bow hits harder and frags hit About the same with equal stats on dk/sorc/nb.

Urvoth

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

From the molten whip morph? Frags and bow don't hit anywhere near that close. Molten is more reliable and hits for more than most ults.

Look up skill coefficients and do the math. Bow hits harder and frags hit About the same with equal stats on dk/sorc/nb.

Regardless of the proc, I don't think I've ever had incoming dmg as high on frags/bow as on whip. Of course there's additional factors, but I've never seen a frag hit me for 14k, yet that seems to be the norm for whips atm.

Sanguinor2

Urvoth wrote: »

Regardless of the proc, I don't think I've ever had incoming dmg as high on frags/bow as on whip. Of course there's additional factors, but I've never seen a frag hit me for 14k, yet that seems to be the norm for whips atm.

If dk has the offbalance cp there might be a difference and if you have engulfing on you it also adds up that might be it or the dks simply run more offensive sets since they Need more Damage stats than a sorc does (or atleast used to) to apply more pressure idk, but from a mathematical view with Nothing factored in except magicka and spell Damage (and the %increase and spell dmg from seething fury and the % increase from frags) frags hit About the same, might be a bit less but the difference shouldnt even be 1k.

Waffennacht

I'm too darn busy trying to even be competitive on my necro to care one way or another about sorc specifically.

Lucky28

gepe87 wrote: »

Streak nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Frag nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Shields nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Healing Ward nerfed - Magsorc adapted

Whats your problem now?

come on dude. Sorcs didn't get nerfed much.

healing ward nerf, affected magblade more than it affected sorcs. shields changes where more a buff for sorcs.
frags where not nerfed near as hard as merciless.

i retired my magblade because of the *** balance they've been getting. on that topic, i was fighting a magsorc the other day on my magnecro in BG's playing around with skills, the sorcs *** twilight was hitting for 2-4K meanwhile my Skeletal Arcanist was hitting for 656 damage.

No interest in magsorcs getting nerfed, but lets just be real about things.

Aedaryl

Lucky28 wrote: »

gepe87 wrote: »

Streak nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Frag nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Shields nerfed - Magsorc adapted
Healing Ward nerfed - Magsorc adapted

Whats your problem now?

come on dude. Sorcs didn't get nerfed much.

healing ward nerf, affected magblade more than it affected sorcs. shields changes where more a buff for sorcs.
frags where not nerfed near as hard as merciless.

i retired my magblade because of the *** balance they've been getting. on that topic, i was fighting a magsorc the other day on my magnecro in BG's playing around with skills, the sorcs *** twilight was hitting for 2-4K meanwhile my Skeletal Arcanist was hitting for 656 damage.

No interest in magsorcs getting nerfed, but lets just be real about things.

Reality is magnecro and skeletal archer being bad and weak.

Reality is also magblade lacking a strong heal to be competitive in 1vX.

Shields changes where a buffs for all shield users if they build for it.

Comparing well know underpowered class is not revelent to speak about the balance of a well rounded one.

Merciless resolve wasn't nerfed. It changed, but calling it a nerf isn't appropriate.

ecru

Derra wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

Magicka Sorcerer has the strongest attack, the strongest defense, the strongest speed, the strongest pets.
Stupid ZOS is crazy about tasting Sorcerer's ass.

Sorcerers are not even close to having the strongest attack. DK leap, NB Incap, NB spectral bow, Stamden Sub-Dawnbreaker combo, Stamina Onslaught ganker, Necro Bash build.... All these are stronger attacks than anything Sorcs can do.

magsorc curse + fury + frag is stronger 1GCD burst compared to anything you listed, change my mind

Just that it´s 3 gcds + traveltime of which 2 are also dodgeable and blockable?
Also who gets taken into execute range by frag + curse dmg?

and who gets taken into execute range by dawnbreaker + sub?

Considering Execute dmg for 2h starts at 50% hp instead of 20% that´s far more likely to happen (though it´s probably only worth it at around 35%?).
This is reinforced by sub + dawnbreaker not being telegraphed on the target.
This is further excerbated by one of these non target telegraphed abilities being a stun.
Last but not least the only possible defense against those two would be block as both hits are undodgeable.

So while i agree with your sentiment that you should in general not be taken into execute range (and die) by dawnbreaker + sub assault - it is my opinion that this scenario is a lot more likely to happen (and in my book that´s fine - we´re talking about an ultimate combo).

If someone would be serious in comparing these two scenarios my advice to them would be to maybe switch from playing with a steering wheel and pedals to something more suited.

You're severely overestimating the "execute" damage that 2h gets sub 50%. It doesn't start to do as much damage as something like wrecking blow until your target is under about 20% HP. Before that it isn't any stronger than any other spammable.

Streak isn't in any way comparable to a gap closer. A gap closer needs a target and doesn't have a stun attached to it that can CC multiple people, it can only do one thing--close the gap on a target. Streak can be used to catch kiting players, to kite players who are chasing you, to cc those players in either of those situations, or to gain a better position in general. Do you really think any sorcs would trade streak for the equivalent of crit charge? Streak is the mobility I wish my DK had.

InvictusApollo

People are crying about sorcs hurting them and here I am with my magblade and stamblade plowing through them while my magplar just sits in her circle of happines wondering if those things flying at her are crystal frags or mosquitoes.

And my magsorc... has lost a duel to magdk some time ago.

In other words: stop whining and learn how to counter your enemies.

PhoenixGrey

mursie wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Says the one who is corroborating with other potatoes respawning in this thread and calling me delusional lol !

Even if mag sorc is as strong as you claim, I really dont understand what's the problem with having strong classes in the game.
I am sure it's not fun even for a streamer to get repeatedly zerged down by premade zerglings in BG's or small scale stam groups in open world pvp.

I believe in balance phoenix. equitable balance. it's why i play no-cp. it's why i do not use bash necro despite mostly playing stamcro the past few weeks. it's why i don't stack the deck with premades to stomp pugs..

the magsorc is extremely overtuned at the moment. the only people that object to this statement are infact magsorcs such as yourself.

maybe try participating in a no-cp pvp environment on something not extremely overtuned for a change. give yourself a little perspective. you need it, because right now you're completely delusional

I too believe in balance. What I dont believe is balance purely based on numbers or for players with L2P issues which make up majority of these potato threads.

I used to play a lot on my magden when I started pvp'ing back in morrowind. Was a time when it was actually viable as a full damage spec and had almost as much burst potential as a mag sorc with better defence due to its ult gen and ultimates when played right.
If I had played the game at launch I would have played Dk.

Your idea of balance sounds like you want to nerf the *** out of classes to make them viable only to zerglings which is why most zergs are mag heavy. How does class, skill or gear even matter to ppl running in zergs ? Why on earth will someone spend time or resources to balance things around that *** which is barely even watchable let alone playable.

Kel

https://youtu.be/tpHD2aVEj6A

20:25 of the video.

Mag sorc rated #1 in PvP. You can see his reasons why.