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The "Balance" of Mag Sorcs
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Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »it will cause more turtling and shields stacking. there is much more severe thing they removed a stun from the destructive reach ability
The other Morph still has it iirc.Politeness is respecting others.
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MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
So again, ur idea of balancing the most mobile class in the game is to nerf its mobility but leave its tankiness through shieldstacking untouched?
And how on earth do frags feel threatening to you when curse and fury like you said don't do anything to you? The whole point of frags is to be timed with curse.
They need something to survive, and shield stacking is not what's making them OP."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »it will cause more turtling and shields stacking. there is much more severe thing they removed a stun from the destructive reach ability
The other Morph still has it iirc.
Destructive Touch: Redesigned this ability and its morphs to function as a DoT, rather than a utility skill. Base cost reduced from 4050 to 2700. Reduced the initial hit damage by ~17% but increased the DoT by ~167% per tick. No longer grants additional bonuses depending on the staff you are using. Gains 1.1% damage in rank for the entire ability. Reduced range from 17m to 15m.
Destructive Reach: This morph retains the unique functionality for each elemental staff type you choose, but no longer deals damage over time. Flame Clench knocks the target back and stuns them for the duration. Frost Clench Immobilizes the target. Shock coverts the attack into an AoE explosion, and deals our AoE damage standard.
-Destructive Reach: Increases the range to 28m and reduces the cost to 2430 at rank IV
does it mean we would have stun but direct damage would be reduced and dot removed? it would be nice i have a lot of free slots and it will be easy to find a place for one more ability0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Well seems like MagSorcs will get nerfed indeed, more specifically Twilight healing and Shield strength which is a plausible and reasonable nerf to Sorcs defensive capabilities.
it will cause more turtling and shields stacking. there is much more severe thing they removed a stun from the destructive reach ability
That hits every Magicka build besides Magsorc harder imho (except MagDK), Magsorc has other tools for that. Magcro, Magden, Magblade, Magplar rather not.
Edited by Seraphayel on July 6, 2019 4:08PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
You’re self proclaimed only been playing for a year. All you do is drop names of “good players”.0 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭grannas211 wrote: »@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
You’re self proclaimed only been playing for a year. All you do is drop names of “good players”.
Only been PvPing for a year. I've been playing ESO on and off since the beta, and i've been playing consistently since 2017. Stop forum stalking me, creep.
Not to mention the randomness of your comment. What does that have to do with anything?
Edited by MaxJrFTW on July 6, 2019 4:40PM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Trian94✭✭✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
I just want fairness in the game. That's hard to understand for people that don't care about it, the few of you that couldn't care less if your class is balanced or not as long as you get to have your fun.
For example i main a templar, and i'm gonna be the 1st person to tell you cleanse is OP as hell. It shouldn't cleanse 5 debuffs on yourself, 2 to 3 should be enough. It definitely shouldn't cleanse every negative effect on allies and heal them on top of it when they use the synergy. I'd balance by making it clear 4 ally debuffs, and remove the 4k heal completely.
BuT...bUt WhY woULd YoU wANt yoUr OWn ClAsS nErFeD???
ESO is never going to be a relevant in a grand scale as long as you have classes like magsorcs performing head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. The same goes for PvE, and stamina classes performing so much better than magicka.
Nerfing streak is gonna kill stamsorc so no it's not a good way to go. Also about Templar cleanse: idk man I get out there I get like 10+ negative effects sometimes so idk about that either. It's fair to call out op abilities passives but sometimes the meta brings them down to earth or by nerfing them you gimp the other spec of the class that depends on it.Edited by Trian94 on July 6, 2019 6:12PMPC EU
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PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
For BG's, all I need is SnB which will never never be nerfed. Shield changes don't matter XD
However open world is another matter all together.0 -
NuarBlack✭✭✭✭Pets are all that is broken about magsorc right now.
The funny thing is that my stamsorc is now shredding magsorcs as supposedly the worst spec in the game. Surge actually works now against them and if negate is up I'm shutting down the whole damn zoo.0 -
VirtualElizabeth✭✭✭✭Okay I have been playing a Mag Sorc in PVP for a few days now. This is my assessment:
Is it easy to get kills? Yes...but a Sorc class should be about that. It's dirty and selfish DPS - it is not a support class, it's about killing only. You SHOULD be seeing sorc skills on your death thinga majigy.
Is it easy to survive? NOPE...it's glass cannon. You gotta "get gud" to survive.
When you "get gud" you are a killing machine. I suspect those type of players though are few and far between though. That's is not me...yet.@ElizabethInTamriel; @ElizabethInESO
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Eleanour Masterham - Breton Templar
Elise Masterham - Breton Magicka Nightblade
Elinora Valen - Dunmer MagDK
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VirtualElizabeth✭✭✭✭Pets are all that is broken about magsorc right now.
The funny thing is that my stamsorc is now shredding magsorcs as supposedly the worst spec in the game. Surge actually works now against them and if negate is up I'm shutting down the whole damn zoo.
I am still trying to figure out the pet. It doesn't seem to do that much lol. Or am I doing it wrong?@ElizabethInTamriel; @ElizabethInESO
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Elise Masterham - Breton Magicka Nightblade
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NuarBlack✭✭✭✭VirtualElizabeth wrote: »Pets are all that is broken about magsorc right now.
The funny thing is that my stamsorc is now shredding magsorcs as supposedly the worst spec in the game. Surge actually works now against them and if negate is up I'm shutting down the whole damn zoo.
I am still trying to figure out the pet. It doesn't seem to do that much lol. Or am I doing it wrong?
Just heal spam (might have made matriarch heal not proc frags but Im not sure) with shields to proc frags gives decent survival and then pivot to offense. Also they mess with targeting especially on console and give the sorc los protection. It's something you won't notice as the sorc but when a matriarch eats an ultimate or CC or proc or some other key skill it can be especially frustrating for whoever is fighting you.Edited by NuarBlack on July 6, 2019 7:47PM2 -
VirtualElizabeth✭✭✭✭VirtualElizabeth wrote: »Pets are all that is broken about magsorc right now.
The funny thing is that my stamsorc is now shredding magsorcs as supposedly the worst spec in the game. Surge actually works now against them and if negate is up I'm shutting down the whole damn zoo.
I am still trying to figure out the pet. It doesn't seem to do that much lol. Or am I doing it wrong?
Just heal spam (might have made matriarch heal not proc frags but Im not sure) with shields to proc frags gives decent survival and then pivot to offense. Also they mess with targeting especially on console and give the sorc los protection. It's something you won't notice as the sorc but when a matriarch eats an ultimate or CC or proc or some other key skill it can be especially frustrating for whoever is fighting you.
It does proc frags - I noticed this last night. I was thinking of also incorporating Race somehow because the snares are killing me, literally.@ElizabethInTamriel; @ElizabethInESO
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Eleanour Masterham - Breton Templar
Elise Masterham - Breton Magicka Nightblade
Elinora Valen - Dunmer MagDK
Elsa Masterham - Breton Mag Warden0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
So again, ur idea of balancing the most mobile class in the game is to nerf its mobility but leave its tankiness through shieldstacking untouched?
And how on earth do frags feel threatening to you when curse and fury like you said don't do anything to you? The whole point of frags is to be timed with curse.
They need something to survive, and shield stacking is not what's making them OP.
Said the expert with almost zero experience on the class while every sorc have been telling everyone for years that stacking shields is dumb.
Yeah buddy. They need something to survive. Streak should be that something unique about the class that is supposed to be mobile. Not 20k shieldstacks complemented with huge resistances and high hp.
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PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
Well agree on the pet - like everyone sane.
Glad streak looks more like it´s getting buffed though
Not really it still has stacking cost I guess0 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
So again, ur idea of balancing the most mobile class in the game is to nerf its mobility but leave its tankiness through shieldstacking untouched?
And how on earth do frags feel threatening to you when curse and fury like you said don't do anything to you? The whole point of frags is to be timed with curse.
They need something to survive, and shield stacking is not what's making them OP.
Said the expert with almost zero experience on the class while every sorc have been telling everyone for years that stacking shields is dumb.
Yeah buddy. They need something to survive. Streak should be that something unique about the class that is supposed to be mobile. Not 20k shieldstacks complemented with huge resistances and high hp.
Why do you keep making all these stupid assumptions for the sake of taking a jab at me? I could post you my pvp meter addon when i get home so you can see how i have 0 experience with the class."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
I just want fairness in the game. That's hard to understand for people that don't care about it, the few of you that couldn't care less if your class is balanced or not as long as you get to have your fun.
For example i main a templar, and i'm gonna be the 1st person to tell you cleanse is OP as hell. It shouldn't cleanse 5 debuffs on yourself, 2 to 3 should be enough. It definitely shouldn't cleanse every negative effect on allies and heal them on top of it when they use the synergy. I'd balance by making it clear 4 ally debuffs, and remove the 4k heal completely.
BuT...bUt WhY woULd YoU wANt yoUr OWn ClAsS nErFeD???
ESO is never going to be a relevant in a grand scale as long as you have classes like magsorcs performing head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. The same goes for PvE, and stamina classes performing so much better than magicka.
I somewhat agree with you but I think every class should have a couple class defining abilities that are OP.
I’m perfectly fine with Templars having ritual as is as their class defining ability, and make it OP.
Give sorcs streak, NBs cloak, Templar’s ritual and lets have clas diversity. There’ll always be people who confuse diversity with imbalance, but meh... let em whine.Edited by Iskiab on July 7, 2019 8:30AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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✭✭✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
Well agree on the pet - like everyone sane.
Glad streak looks more like it´s getting buffed though
Not really it still has stacking cost I guess
Less stacking cost and unblockable now aswell? To me that´s a buff and i´m totally digging it.<Noricum>
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Destructive Clench will have a knockback/stun with a Flame Staff equipped, no DOT, and range of 15 meters.oxygen_thief wrote: »Sanguinor2 wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »it will cause more turtling and shields stacking. there is much more severe thing they removed a stun from the destructive reach ability
The other Morph still has it iirc.
Destructive Touch: Redesigned this ability and its morphs to function as a DoT, rather than a utility skill. Base cost reduced from 4050 to 2700. Reduced the initial hit damage by ~17% but increased the DoT by ~167% per tick. No longer grants additional bonuses depending on the staff you are using. Gains 1.1% damage in rank for the entire ability. Reduced range from 17m to 15m.
Destructive Reach: This morph retains the unique functionality for each elemental staff type you choose, but no longer deals damage over time. Flame Clench knocks the target back and stuns them for the duration. Frost Clench Immobilizes the target. Shock coverts the attack into an AoE explosion, and deals our AoE damage standard.
-Destructive Reach: Increases the range to 28m and reduces the cost to 2430 at rank IV
does it mean we would have stun but direct damage would be reduced and dot removed? it would be nice i have a lot of free slots and it will be easy to find a place for one more ability
Destructive Reach will be a little cheaper, have a DOT, no utility effect, and range of 28 meters.
The baseline ability and both morphs will have 17% less up-front damage than they do now, along with a reduced cost. If they don't make any changes to the Master Destruction Staff, the skill will be really cheap, but definitely not worthwhile as a spammable unless you're using the Clench morph and fighting at <= 15 meter range. Frankly, I think this may end up being a good thing; it's annoying that oftentimes the "best" weapon in PvP comes from non-trivial PvE content.
I think it's cool that non-DK Magicka builds might have viable DOT-oriented setups next patch, but some classes are really going to be hurting on CC options. Magicka Necromancer, for example, will only have one worthwhile option for a stun if the changes go through as listed: Destructive Clench + Flame Staff. This means that, unless you back bar said staff for the stun, Blastbones won't be able to benefit from the AOE Damage increase on Lightning Staves. And whether a Flame Staff ends up being your primary or secondary, you're going to have a hard time stunning anyone that's trying to run away - that 15 meter range is quite restrictive when your mobility is awful.
Magicka Warden will be in a similar boat, though not quite as restricted since they have the option of using Arctic Blast (though dropping Clench/Reach for it will result in a damage loss, especially if currently using it as a spammable with a Master Staff).0 -
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✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
Well agree on the pet - like everyone sane.
Glad streak looks more like it´s getting buffed though
Not really it still has stacking cost I guess
Less stacking cost and unblockable now aswell? To me that´s a buff and i´m totally digging it.
Prepare for a lot of whining about the Curse-Fury-Meteor-Streak-Frag combo...0 -
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Yea...still won't be quite as bad as the old Rune Cage combo, I guess.PhoenixGrey wrote: »@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
Well agree on the pet - like everyone sane.
Glad streak looks more like it´s getting buffed though
Not really it still has stacking cost I guess
Less stacking cost and unblockable now aswell? To me that´s a buff and i´m totally digging it.
Prepare for a lot of whining about the Curse-Fury-Meteor-Streak-Frag combo...0 -
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Yea...still won't be quite as bad as the old Rune Cage combo, I guess.PhoenixGrey wrote: »@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
Well agree on the pet - like everyone sane.
Glad streak looks more like it´s getting buffed though
Not really it still has stacking cost I guess
Less stacking cost and unblockable now aswell? To me that´s a buff and i´m totally digging it.
Prepare for a lot of whining about the Curse-Fury-Meteor-Streak-Frag combo...
That won't stop "those people" from complaining. You'll see...1 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
So again, ur idea of balancing the most mobile class in the game is to nerf its mobility but leave its tankiness through shieldstacking untouched?
And how on earth do frags feel threatening to you when curse and fury like you said don't do anything to you? The whole point of frags is to be timed with curse.
They need something to survive, and shield stacking is not what's making them OP.
Said the expert with almost zero experience on the class while every sorc have been telling everyone for years that stacking shields is dumb.
Yeah buddy. They need something to survive. Streak should be that something unique about the class that is supposed to be mobile. Not 20k shieldstacks complemented with huge resistances and high hp.
Why do you keep making all these stupid assumptions for the sake of taking a jab at me? I could post you my pvp meter addon when i get home so you can see how i have 0 experience with the class.
Im not making any assumptions to take a jab at you. You literally admitted urself that you basically dont play the class.What sort of moronic argument is this? You think anyone cares what an average player can do? You think we're trying to get sorcs nerfed because of players like me with less than 2 days played on my sorc?
You literally called urself an average player with less than 2 days experience on the class. Which actually shows based on what you said till now about sorcs cause quite honestly, you dont seem to know how the class even functions. Let alone being in a position to judge what it needs and what doesnt.Edited by pieratsos on July 7, 2019 2:18PM1 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
So again, ur idea of balancing the most mobile class in the game is to nerf its mobility but leave its tankiness through shieldstacking untouched?
And how on earth do frags feel threatening to you when curse and fury like you said don't do anything to you? The whole point of frags is to be timed with curse.
They need something to survive, and shield stacking is not what's making them OP.
Said the expert with almost zero experience on the class while every sorc have been telling everyone for years that stacking shields is dumb.
Yeah buddy. They need something to survive. Streak should be that something unique about the class that is supposed to be mobile. Not 20k shieldstacks complemented with huge resistances and high hp.
Why do you keep making all these stupid assumptions for the sake of taking a jab at me? I could post you my pvp meter addon when i get home so you can see how i have 0 experience with the class.
Im not making any assumptions to take a jab at you. You literally admitted urself that you basically dont play the class.What sort of moronic argument is this? You think anyone cares what an average player can do? You think we're trying to get sorcs nerfed because of players like me with less than 2 days played on my sorc?
You literally called urself an average player with less than 2 days experience on the class. Which actually shows based on what you said till now about sorcs cause quite honestly, you dont seem to know how the class even functions. Let alone being in a position to judge what it needs and what doesnt.
Nvm, mission accomplished. The class is getting nerfed already. Thank you for having me
Edited by MaxJrFTW on July 7, 2019 3:10PM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
So again, ur idea of balancing the most mobile class in the game is to nerf its mobility but leave its tankiness through shieldstacking untouched?
And how on earth do frags feel threatening to you when curse and fury like you said don't do anything to you? The whole point of frags is to be timed with curse.
They need something to survive, and shield stacking is not what's making them OP.
Said the expert with almost zero experience on the class while every sorc have been telling everyone for years that stacking shields is dumb.
Yeah buddy. They need something to survive. Streak should be that something unique about the class that is supposed to be mobile. Not 20k shieldstacks complemented with huge resistances and high hp.
Why do you keep making all these stupid assumptions for the sake of taking a jab at me? I could post you my pvp meter addon when i get home so you can see how i have 0 experience with the class.
Im not making any assumptions to take a jab at you. You literally admitted urself that you basically dont play the class.What sort of moronic argument is this? You think anyone cares what an average player can do? You think we're trying to get sorcs nerfed because of players like me with less than 2 days played on my sorc?
You literally called urself an average player with less than 2 days experience on the class. Which actually shows based on what you said till now about sorcs cause quite honestly, you dont seem to know how the class even functions. Let alone being in a position to judge what it needs and what doesnt.
Fair enough, but do you think time stopped passing when i made that post or something? I have 4 days played now, which admittedly is not a lot. I also have a couple hundred bgs played. That's definitely more than enough time to have a clear understanding of a class.
I am still an average sorc at best, and i'm still outperforming the hell out of everyone because of the class.
Besides, i'm done here. The class is getting nerfed already.
And yet you dont as shown by ur posts. But yeah, im sure you went from average and clueless to expert in one week.
Yeah, sorry mate, a couple of days playing a class and doing a few BGs doesnt make you knowledgable when it comes to the class.0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
So again, ur idea of balancing the most mobile class in the game is to nerf its mobility but leave its tankiness through shieldstacking untouched?
And how on earth do frags feel threatening to you when curse and fury like you said don't do anything to you? The whole point of frags is to be timed with curse.
They need something to survive, and shield stacking is not what's making them OP.
Said the expert with almost zero experience on the class while every sorc have been telling everyone for years that stacking shields is dumb.
Yeah buddy. They need something to survive. Streak should be that something unique about the class that is supposed to be mobile. Not 20k shieldstacks complemented with huge resistances and high hp.
Why do you keep making all these stupid assumptions for the sake of taking a jab at me? I could post you my pvp meter addon when i get home so you can see how i have 0 experience with the class.
Im not making any assumptions to take a jab at you. You literally admitted urself that you basically dont play the class.What sort of moronic argument is this? You think anyone cares what an average player can do? You think we're trying to get sorcs nerfed because of players like me with less than 2 days played on my sorc?
You literally called urself an average player with less than 2 days experience on the class. Which actually shows based on what you said till now about sorcs cause quite honestly, you dont seem to know how the class even functions. Let alone being in a position to judge what it needs and what doesnt.
Nvm, mission accomplished. The class is getting nerfed already. Thank you for having me
Meh, people will still complain about it. Just wait for the curse, meteor, streak, frag combos. See you in a few weeks.0 -
KurtAngle2✭✭✭✭They targeted the most broken things perfectly (Matriarch and the Hardened Ward still being abused as hell), let's see how things turn out now that there isn't a clearly superior class ABOVE the rest in small scale pvp0
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KurtAngle2 wrote: »They targeted the most broken things perfectly (Matriarch and the Hardened Ward still being abused as hell), let's see how things turn out now that there isn't a clearly superior class ABOVE the rest in small scale pvp
Stacking shields was the issue. Not hardened ward. Nerfing individual shield strength just nerfs the builds that were not crutching on broken shieldstacking and reinforces that broken mechanic even more.1 -
PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
Well agree on the pet - like everyone sane.
Glad streak looks more like it´s getting buffed though
Not really it still has stacking cost I guess
Less stacking cost and unblockable now aswell? To me that´s a buff and i´m totally digging it.
Its decent. But what do you think of the individual shield nerfs ? It will only lead to stacking shields harder than ever.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@PhoenixGrey Been hearing a lot of buzz lately about some incoming changes, more specifically magsorc changes...
Yeah - see you in month complaining about getting blown to bits by proccblades again wondering why you don´t see any magsorcs anymore
Procblades? What's this 2016. I main a templar, procs and dots don't do anything to me. Not only that, but i'm a bg player. Nightblades are total garbage in bgs. If you see me again complaining about another class, it sure as hell won't be nightblades.
Proccs and dots don´t do anything to you but fury and curse do? How does that come to pass?
They don't. What does get to me is the portable tree for LOS better known as a matriarch. The aoe burst heal. The zaps hitting people for 3k+. The fact that streak makes pisitioning a non factor for that class. The 5k+ non stop frags.
Enjoy the nerfs!
So your idea of balance is to nerf pets frags and streak?
Uh, yes.
So again, ur idea of balancing the most mobile class in the game is to nerf its mobility but leave its tankiness through shieldstacking untouched?
And how on earth do frags feel threatening to you when curse and fury like you said don't do anything to you? The whole point of frags is to be timed with curse.
They need something to survive, and shield stacking is not what's making them OP.
Said the expert with almost zero experience on the class while every sorc have been telling everyone for years that stacking shields is dumb.
Yeah buddy. They need something to survive. Streak should be that something unique about the class that is supposed to be mobile. Not 20k shieldstacks complemented with huge resistances and high hp.
Why do you keep making all these stupid assumptions for the sake of taking a jab at me? I could post you my pvp meter addon when i get home so you can see how i have 0 experience with the class.
Im not making any assumptions to take a jab at you. You literally admitted urself that you basically dont play the class.What sort of moronic argument is this? You think anyone cares what an average player can do? You think we're trying to get sorcs nerfed because of players like me with less than 2 days played on my sorc?
You literally called urself an average player with less than 2 days experience on the class. Which actually shows based on what you said till now about sorcs cause quite honestly, you dont seem to know how the class even functions. Let alone being in a position to judge what it needs and what doesnt.
Nvm, mission accomplished. The class is getting nerfed already. Thank you for having me
It shows how little you know. You're too inexperienced to know what an unblockable Streak stun can do. You sorry fool...0