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The "Balance" of Mag Sorcs
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Mitaka211✭✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . Hey it's perfectly fine to enjoy the game and performing well is a part of that, but by god you people jump on every thread remotely going against your class and bombard it with misinformation and insults .
How is it that any stamina necromancer you ask about pummeling goliath is like "yea that skills is super broken" but you mention how pet sorcs dominate pvp more than ever and people are preparing the noose to hang you.
Btw one extremely bad thing i have noticed as well is the deafening silence of the devs on this matter. They react when they have to gut other classes but with sorcs , they are like that dog in the meme , where he is drinking coffee while his house is burning down lol.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »reduce streak range by 30%
cap dmg shield at 35%
redesign mages wrath, that ability is just plain *** and an absolute nobrainer
Pets should just be targeted for single target abilities if the player tabbed willingly on the pet via tabtarget, but i guess thats far to hard to implement, so just lower pet health and raise their casttime, so you are actually able to active counter them by killing them
And now tell me how a sorc that doesn´t abuse pets or shieldstacking would be supposed to even play the class anymore...
This is the problem with people who want to nerf sorcs. They don´t care or understand the class - so just carpetbomb it to ***. Just nerf every ability that might be slightly inconvenient to fight against.
Why nerf the shield - when you can adress stacking that´s the issue in 95% of the cases (the others being too little dmg on the attacker side).
Why nerf streak at all atm - high stacking cost. The only reliable class cc and is already only 15m range + gapcloser are finally useable again.
And pets is just an all around stupid approach. They already die like flies in larger encouters and are 1 or 2shot for competent player - effectively being able to lock the sorc into recast + shielding with that.
Pets need to be not attackable - because being able to los but also die is the biggest scaling variable in the viability of these skills. A variable that can´t be controlled at that bc it depends on number and braincells of the enemy players.
To eliminate that you have to make pets unattackable. That removes los and it removes eventual downtimes you´d otherwise need to consider in their scaling.
Then you can go and massively cut matriarch dmg and rework the heal to sth not as much resembling bol.
You can give their (auto) attacks a minimal magica cost to prevent them from being free dmg (apart from slots).
You can finally begin to weight them against other skills without having to consider uptime and recasts and all that nonsense you can´t control.
Essentially to balance pets you need to rework them completely...
Don´t know if i agree on mages wrath. It´s mainly a bg killstealer and potatokiller. If i have to fight a competent player the first skill i remove from my bar is mages wrath.
No idea if the BG problem could be solved otherwise.
Hey @Derra do you slot mages wrath? ...
Edit- just saw your last comment t about wrath lol. I was asking because my follow up was going to be that most sorcs have removed that from their bars. The guy you are responding to has no clue what hes talking about. Mages wrath is a funny skill, it's great for potatoe smashing but then again so are 100 other skills.
It´s better (as in usable) again since elswyr for open world pvp and was still decent before in BGs.
Definetly more of a bg scoring problem than a problem with the skill though IMO.
I´d be up for a rework nonetheless - i think all finishers that currently haven´t got one need a scaling mechanic from 50% downward from a pvp perspective due to how volatile HP bars are.<Noricum>
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »reduce streak range by 30%
cap dmg shield at 35%
redesign mages wrath, that ability is just plain *** and an absolute nobrainer
Pets should just be targeted for single target abilities if the player tabbed willingly on the pet via tabtarget, but i guess thats far to hard to implement, so just lower pet health and raise their casttime, so you are actually able to active counter them by killing them
And now tell me how a sorc that doesn´t abuse pets or shieldstacking would be supposed to even play the class anymore...
This is the problem with people who want to nerf sorcs. They don´t care or understand the class - so just carpetbomb it to ***. Just nerf every ability that might be slightly inconvenient to fight against.
Why nerf the shield - when you can adress stacking that´s the issue in 95% of the cases (the others being too little dmg on the attacker side).
Why nerf streak at all atm - high stacking cost. The only reliable class cc and is already only 15m range + gapcloser are finally useable again.
And pets is just an all around stupid approach. They already die like flies in larger encouters and are 1 or 2shot for competent player - effectively being able to lock the sorc into recast + shielding with that.
Pets need to be not attackable - because being able to los but also die is the biggest scaling variable in the viability of these skills. A variable that can´t be controlled at that bc it depends on number and braincells of the enemy players.
To eliminate that you have to make pets unattackable. That removes los and it removes eventual downtimes you´d otherwise need to consider in their scaling.
Then you can go and massively cut matriarch dmg and rework the heal to sth not as much resembling bol.
You can give their (auto) attacks a minimal magica cost to prevent them from being free dmg (apart from slots).
You can finally begin to weight them against other skills without having to consider uptime and recasts and all that nonsense you can´t control.
Essentially to balance pets you need to rework them completely...
Don´t know if i agree on mages wrath. It´s mainly a bg killstealer and potatokiller. If i have to fight a competent player the first skill i remove from my bar is mages wrath.
No idea if the BG problem could be solved otherwise.
I dont know if nerfing shieldstacking is a good change. Sometimes outnumbered fights last for quite a while.
Do you really think a non breton mag sorc can sustain or tank out damage for extended period of time without stacking ?
Personally i think a sorc isn´t supposed to tank dmg for extended periods of time (it´s supposed to not take it by outmaneuvering the opponent - which is admittedly a little too hard sometimes).
I do think when stacking + petlos got adressed sorc healing outside of pets would have to be improved a bit.
I´m 100% certain that a non breton sorc can sustain prolonged fights without harness sustain - the sorc i play in noCP is highelf and it´s perfectly vaible.Edited by Derra on June 29, 2019 7:12AM<Noricum>
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Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 503 -
stritzi✭✭✭What is this new trend with everyone wanting streak specific counters. Its dumb. Its like saying i want wings counter or purge counter or shadow image counter. They do not have specific counters. They are unique abilities fitting the theme/design of their classes. Just like its hard to debuff a templar, just like its hard to range down a DK with wings, just like its hard to catch a NB with cloak and shadow image, the same way its hard to catch a streaking sorc if you are playing with a slow class and no gap closer. They are supposed to be the fastest class. They should be hard to pin down. You dont get specific counters just because its inconvenient for you to fight against specific playstyles.
The issue isnt sorc mobility. The issue is that their mobility is paired with 20k shields complemented with 25k resistances and 25k+ hp and pets that get in ur way.
Wings counter , lel , what is left to counter there, sorcs and nbs cried so much so they gutted wings.0 -
PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . .
I never said i don't care about balance. I said i dont care on how you define equal skill as everyone's playstyle and PVP preference is different. I simply stated my preference of PVP
If you want to be salty about it, go ahead by all means.
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Arzharo✭✭Just another comment waiting for magsorcs to be nerfed to the ground so I can start playing pvp again.2
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Mitaka211✭✭✭✭the devs are probably all pet sorc mains so that is not gonna happen lol. They will ignore us yet again and buff pet sorc in the next expansion lol3
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MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . .
I never said i don't care about balance. I said i dont care on how you define equal skill as everyone's playstyle and PVP preference is different. I simply stated my preference of PVP
If you want to be salty about it, go ahead by all means.
Magsorcs are not op, and 1vx is not glorified seal clubbing.
You're special."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 4331 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . .
I never said i don't care about balance. I said i dont care on how you define equal skill as everyone's playstyle and PVP preference is different. I simply stated my preference of PVP
If you want to be salty about it, go ahead by all means.
Magsorcs are not op, and 1vx is not glorified seal clubbing.
You're special.
You seem upset.
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Aedrion✭✭✭✭✭I don't even fight magsorcs anymore. There's no point.
I hear people yelp about sorcs getting nerfed but most of those nerfs have by now been overcome in some way.
- Sorc has no heal -> Petsorc has pets that heal, take nearly no damage, deal big damage and bodyblock attacks. Access to major defile nerfed, rightly so but it also means magsorc can heal with impunity.
- Sorc has no armour -> Shields now factor in armour and jewelry/sets permit resistance stacking to make sorcs very tanky WITH shields. Resto shield at low HP became a monster; moreso with BRP-Resto, which is op as hell. Shield breaker is nerfed, oblivion glyph is nerfed.
- Sorcs have no damage -> Frags buffed, curse now unblockable, DK wings gone, dodge nerfed
- Sorcs have no regen -> Bright throat or Lich or warlock + Master Inferno fix that issue. Magicka costs for some spells also lowered.
Take into account then that two sorcs can ward-stack eachother at low HP and those wards also have armour. Both can streak and get away when pressured. On my magsorc, I can streak 5 times in a row in no-CP. Both can heal eachother with the resto ult and pets and both can stack curses and mage fury and meteors for a huge nuke.
Once I see a team of two or more magsorcs, I do the same as when I see two or more stamblades. I turn around and find something else to do.
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Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . .
I never said i don't care about balance. I said i dont care on how you define equal skill as everyone's playstyle and PVP preference is different. I simply stated my preference of PVP
If you want to be salty about it, go ahead by all means.
Magsorcs are not op, and 1vx is not glorified seal clubbing.
You're special.
Only thing I like less than Pet Sorcs.... Liars.I don't even fight magsorcs anymore. There's no point.
I hear people yelp about sorcs getting nerfed but most of those nerfs have by now been overcome in some way.
- Sorc has no heal -> Petsorc has pets that heal, take nearly no damage, deal big damage and bodyblock attacks. Access to major defile nerfed, rightly so but it also means magsorc can heal with impunity.
- Sorc has no armour -> Shields now factor in armour and jewelry/sets permit resistance stacking to make sorcs very tanky WITH shields. Resto shield at low HP became a monster; moreso with BRP-Resto, which is op as hell. Shield breaker is nerfed, oblivion glyph is nerfed.
- Sorcs have no damage -> Frags buffed, curse now unblockable, DK wings gone, dodge nerfed
- Sorcs have no regen -> Bright throat or Lich or warlock + Master Inferno fix that issue. Magicka costs for some spells also lowered.
Take into account then that two sorcs can ward-stack eachother at low HP and those wards also have armour. Both can streak and get away when pressured. On my magsorc, I can streak 5 times in a row in no-CP. Both can heal eachother with the resto ult and pets and both can stack curses and mage fury and meteors for a huge nuke.
Once I see a team of two or more magsorcs, I do the same as when I see two or more stamblades. I turn around and find something else to do.
^absolute reality. **** what you heard.3 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . .
I never said i don't care about balance. I said i dont care on how you define equal skill as everyone's playstyle and PVP preference is different. I simply stated my preference of PVP
If you want to be salty about it, go ahead by all means.
Magsorcs are not op, and 1vx is not glorified seal clubbing.
You're special.
Only thing I like less than Pet Sorcs.... Liars.I don't even fight magsorcs anymore. There's no point.
I hear people yelp about sorcs getting nerfed but most of those nerfs have by now been overcome in some way.
- Sorc has no heal -> Petsorc has pets that heal, take nearly no damage, deal big damage and bodyblock attacks. Access to major defile nerfed, rightly so but it also means magsorc can heal with impunity.
- Sorc has no armour -> Shields now factor in armour and jewelry/sets permit resistance stacking to make sorcs very tanky WITH shields. Resto shield at low HP became a monster; moreso with BRP-Resto, which is op as hell. Shield breaker is nerfed, oblivion glyph is nerfed.
- Sorcs have no damage -> Frags buffed, curse now unblockable, DK wings gone, dodge nerfed
- Sorcs have no regen -> Bright throat or Lich or warlock + Master Inferno fix that issue. Magicka costs for some spells also lowered.
Take into account then that two sorcs can ward-stack eachother at low HP and those wards also have armour. Both can streak and get away when pressured. On my magsorc, I can streak 5 times in a row in no-CP. Both can heal eachother with the resto ult and pets and both can stack curses and mage fury and meteors for a huge nuke.
Once I see a team of two or more magsorcs, I do the same as when I see two or more stamblades. I turn around and find something else to do.
^absolute reality. **** what you heard.
It's called sarcasm."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 4331 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . .
I never said i don't care about balance. I said i dont care on how you define equal skill as everyone's playstyle and PVP preference is different. I simply stated my preference of PVP
If you want to be salty about it, go ahead by all means.
Magsorcs are not op, and 1vx is not glorified seal clubbing.
You're special.
Only thing I like less than Pet Sorcs.... Liars.I don't even fight magsorcs anymore. There's no point.
I hear people yelp about sorcs getting nerfed but most of those nerfs have by now been overcome in some way.
- Sorc has no heal -> Petsorc has pets that heal, take nearly no damage, deal big damage and bodyblock attacks. Access to major defile nerfed, rightly so but it also means magsorc can heal with impunity.
- Sorc has no armour -> Shields now factor in armour and jewelry/sets permit resistance stacking to make sorcs very tanky WITH shields. Resto shield at low HP became a monster; moreso with BRP-Resto, which is op as hell. Shield breaker is nerfed, oblivion glyph is nerfed.
- Sorcs have no damage -> Frags buffed, curse now unblockable, DK wings gone, dodge nerfed
- Sorcs have no regen -> Bright throat or Lich or warlock + Master Inferno fix that issue. Magicka costs for some spells also lowered.
Take into account then that two sorcs can ward-stack eachother at low HP and those wards also have armour. Both can streak and get away when pressured. On my magsorc, I can streak 5 times in a row in no-CP. Both can heal eachother with the resto ult and pets and both can stack curses and mage fury and meteors for a huge nuke.
Once I see a team of two or more magsorcs, I do the same as when I see two or more stamblades. I turn around and find something else to do.
^absolute reality. **** what you heard.
It's called sarcasm.
Insco's on your side, dude. He was calling Phoenix a liar.2 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . .
I never said i don't care about balance. I said i dont care on how you define equal skill as everyone's playstyle and PVP preference is different. I simply stated my preference of PVP
If you want to be salty about it, go ahead by all means.
Magsorcs are not op, and 1vx is not glorified seal clubbing.
You're special.
Only thing I like less than Pet Sorcs.... Liars.I don't even fight magsorcs anymore. There's no point.
I hear people yelp about sorcs getting nerfed but most of those nerfs have by now been overcome in some way.
- Sorc has no heal -> Petsorc has pets that heal, take nearly no damage, deal big damage and bodyblock attacks. Access to major defile nerfed, rightly so but it also means magsorc can heal with impunity.
- Sorc has no armour -> Shields now factor in armour and jewelry/sets permit resistance stacking to make sorcs very tanky WITH shields. Resto shield at low HP became a monster; moreso with BRP-Resto, which is op as hell. Shield breaker is nerfed, oblivion glyph is nerfed.
- Sorcs have no damage -> Frags buffed, curse now unblockable, DK wings gone, dodge nerfed
- Sorcs have no regen -> Bright throat or Lich or warlock + Master Inferno fix that issue. Magicka costs for some spells also lowered.
Take into account then that two sorcs can ward-stack eachother at low HP and those wards also have armour. Both can streak and get away when pressured. On my magsorc, I can streak 5 times in a row in no-CP. Both can heal eachother with the resto ult and pets and both can stack curses and mage fury and meteors for a huge nuke.
Once I see a team of two or more magsorcs, I do the same as when I see two or more stamblades. I turn around and find something else to do.
^absolute reality. **** what you heard.
It's called sarcasm.
Muh bad. It’s hard to tell when you got so many pet sorcs out here bs’n...0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I can't say sorc is the best ATM for sure, definitely not below top tier that's for sure.
Don't Nerf sorc imo.
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MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I can't say sorc is the best ATM for sure, definitely not below top tier that's for sure.
Don't Nerf sorc imo.
Templars and Necro's need the most help
This guy didn't get the memo
"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
Outnumbered fights/1vx is just another name for seal clubbing. They're only possible due to CP advantage or huge skill gaps.
Oh btw, sorcs are the best seal clubbing class in the game #nerfmagsorcs
IDK about seal clubbing. Some people only enjoy outnumbered PVP in this game. I wouldn't step into BG's if cyrodil wasn't so laggy all the time.
You think it's possible to fight outnumbered against equally skilled players without a considerable cp gap and win?
You probably do, but you're also the same deluded person that thinks magsorcs aren't op right now...
I don't know what's the definition of equally skilled is in this game nor do i care about it. Those are the standards which guys like you want to define. There is honestly not much CP gap nowdays since the CP cap has not been changed for a bit.
I am a paying customer of ZOS who wants to enjoy outnumbered PVP on my mag sorc. If not mag sorc there are a few other classes which we can now choose from. Its literally that simple for me mate
And there it is , simple as that. Because so many of your pet sorc brothers think like you we are at this state. If you don't care about balance , then leave the forums and stop spreading misinformation . .
I never said i don't care about balance. I said i dont care on how you define equal skill as everyone's playstyle and PVP preference is different. I simply stated my preference of PVP
If you want to be salty about it, go ahead by all means.
Magsorcs are not op, and 1vx is not glorified seal clubbing.
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✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Magsorc is still by far the best Magicka class and overloaded with everything from shields to CC to crazy burst to super strong pets. Too much of everything.
I'd argue this is exactly what all classes need - everything. More tools available mean more interesting fights. The continuous nerf rage that started with Morrowind has made the combat so incredibly boring.
You know, nightblades used to be as complete as sorcs are now. And people here generally agreed that it'd be better to pull other classes up to the standards of nightblades. Funny how the tone now shifted, because sorcs are now the complete class.
But anyways, even ZOS believe in the whole "complete class design". Or why do you think, have they been working on giving all classes the trifecta of tank, heal and dps skills?
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✭Seraphayel wrote: »Magsorc is still by far the best Magicka class and overloaded with everything from shields to CC to crazy burst to super strong pets. Too much of everything.
Yet Stamina based classes still outperform MagSorc in both PvE and PvP. If anything I'd say the other Magicka classes should be brought up to Sorc lvl or Stamina class should take a huge nerf to be balanced with magicka classes.1 -
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✭I hope you guys aren't complaining about non pet sorcs in BG's they are hot garbage right now. Utter trash.Edited by bardx86 on July 1, 2019 1:28AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Magsorc is still by far the best Magicka class and overloaded with everything from shields to CC to crazy burst to super strong pets. Too much of everything.
Yet Stamina based classes still outperform MagSorc in both PvE and PvP. If anything I'd say the other Magicka classes should be brought up to Sorc lvl or Stamina class should take a huge nerf to be balanced with magicka classes.
Yes and no. Other Magicka classes should get buffed to match Magicka Sorcs, nevertheless Sorcs are overloaded with stuff. It’s just too much overall and things like the reactive execute are just the cherry on the cake. They have too much at this point and need to be toned down in one or the other way. Doesn’t mean other Magicka specs should stay as underwhelming as they are (or Stamina as potent as it is right now).PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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Still haven´t seen anyone say otherwise when looking at high mmr on EU-PC - atleast for gamemodes that require killing the enemy team.
The people i talk to seem to be more along the lines of: Sorc is great for 95% of what you can encouter. But the top 5% it´s suddenly not so great anymore (these being complete grp vs grp with dedicated healer).Edited by Derra on July 1, 2019 6:11AM<Noricum>
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Still haven´t seen anyone say otherwise when looking at high mmr on EU-PC - atleast for gamemodes that require killing the enemy team.
The people i talk to seem to be more along the lines of: Sorc is great for 95% of what you can encouter. But the top 5% it´s suddenly not so great anymore (these being complete grp vs grp with dedicated healer).
Ah come on, people have trouble while playing as and vs premades with dedicated healers? Suprise. Non pet sorc is probably not the cheese of the month, but far away form being hot garbage. As nonpet you have to atleast work a little for the effort. My experience with high MMR and specialized setups is, that really competent sorcs dont block two or more bar slots with pets, because you get far more necessary utility by slotting other skills that benefit the group setup.0 -
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Still haven´t seen anyone say otherwise when looking at high mmr on EU-PC - atleast for gamemodes that require killing the enemy team.
The people i talk to seem to be more along the lines of: Sorc is great for 95% of what you can encouter. But the top 5% it´s suddenly not so great anymore (these being complete grp vs grp with dedicated healer).
Ah come on, people have trouble while playing as and vs premades with dedicated healers? Suprise. Non pet sorc is probably not the cheese of the month, but far away form being hot garbage. As nonpet you have to atleast work a little for the effort. My experience with high MMR and specialized setups is, that really competent sorcs dont block two or more bar slots with pets, because you get far more necessary utility by slotting other skills that benefit the group setup.
That´s the issue though - you have to work on nonpet (even on 1 pet setups).
I know very few sorcs actually capable of doing that - maybe a hand full on pc-EU.
There´s other classes definetly preferable over the possibility of a sorc being a liability instead of an asset to a premade. So for most players it is hot garbage when they can log onto another class and be more effective?<Noricum>
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Still haven´t seen anyone say otherwise when looking at high mmr on EU-PC - atleast for gamemodes that require killing the enemy team.
The people i talk to seem to be more along the lines of: Sorc is great for 95% of what you can encouter. But the top 5% it´s suddenly not so great anymore (these being complete grp vs grp with dedicated healer).
Ah come on, people have trouble while playing as and vs premades with dedicated healers? Suprise. Non pet sorc is probably not the cheese of the month, but far away form being hot garbage. As nonpet you have to atleast work a little for the effort. My experience with high MMR and specialized setups is, that really competent sorcs dont block two or more bar slots with pets, because you get far more necessary utility by slotting other skills that benefit the group setup.
That´s the issue though - you have to work on nonpet (even on 1 pet setups).
I know very few sorcs actually capable of doing that - maybe a hand full on pc-EU.
There´s other classes definetly preferable over the possibility of a sorc being a liability instead of an asset to a premade. So for most players it is hot garbage when they can log onto another class and be more effective?
Excuse me but what kind of argument is "they have to work"? What do all the other Magicka DPS have to do then (which are all inferior to Magsorc)? Yes, they have to work. Yet they're still overperforming in that regard when compared to most other Magicka classes, if not all other.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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I can tell you don't play BGs when you think a non pet sorc has a bigger chance to be hot garbage in BGs than other classes. Generally, the sorcs that play in a premade in high MMR know what they are doing, and are consistently providing value to their team with well placed negates, atronachs with major berserk synergy, and the ability to put pre executes on enemies, allowing them and their team to capitalize on the kbs. Not to mention their burst is very good when focussing to take out players 1 by 1, which premades often tend to do when facing capable opposition. You can keep repeating you find it a scoring problem and not a class problem, but the rules are as they are now and sorcs heavily benefit from it. Pets or no pets.
Still haven´t seen anyone say otherwise when looking at high mmr on EU-PC - atleast for gamemodes that require killing the enemy team.
The people i talk to seem to be more along the lines of: Sorc is great for 95% of what you can encouter. But the top 5% it´s suddenly not so great anymore (these being complete grp vs grp with dedicated healer).
Ah come on, people have trouble while playing as and vs premades with dedicated healers? Suprise. Non pet sorc is probably not the cheese of the month, but far away form being hot garbage. As nonpet you have to atleast work a little for the effort. My experience with high MMR and specialized setups is, that really competent sorcs dont block two or more bar slots with pets, because you get far more necessary utility by slotting other skills that benefit the group setup.
That´s the issue though - you have to work on nonpet (even on 1 pet setups).
I know very few sorcs actually capable of doing that - maybe a hand full on pc-EU.
There´s other classes definetly preferable over the possibility of a sorc being a liability instead of an asset to a premade. So for most players it is hot garbage when they can log onto another class and be more effective?Edited by Koensol on July 1, 2019 7:11AM4