Signage

SantieClaws

Recently this one purchased a large island property now known as Sugar Island.

An issue has arisen which then one thought be might an issue for others too who have small islands of their own or indeed other large properties.

How do you direct your guests from the point of their arrival to the important features? How do they know where to sleep? Where is the bathroom? Khajiit cannot always be home and would like guests to know where to find what they need.

Most importantly how exactly do my guests know how to find the bar which is halfway round the island from the arrival point??? No this one cannot just move the bar because the summerhouse it is near to is fixed and cannot itself be moved.

So this one would like to request a few small signposts that could be hung from a lamp like post or even placed on a door. Like the ones we already have for various shops - which is a little odd as we can't actually yet sell anything from our homes …

A few arrow signs to indicate direction would also be appreciated.

Anyway Khajiit would like to suggest the following - either in words or, for more universal usage, in pictures:

Bar - picture of a drinky

Sleeping place - picture of a bed

Bathroom - picture of a bath

Kitchen - picture of a chicken leg

Swimming pool - something indicating water

Danger - something that looks dangerous

Crafting generally - something composed of a few other of the crafting signs together to indicate an area for crafting rather than the individual professions

This one would like to hear your suggestions for signs you would also like to see in your homes and businesses.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

CMDR_Un1k0rn

This post is a work of art.

TelvanniWizard

If we could get some sort of writing method, like a scroll or a book, you could use it to put in there the different directions.

Synnastix

Writable signs and a book you can leave for guests rank high on the list of things that would make housing more fun and prob not require much work.

Even better if you can leave a book open as a guest book where people can leave comments on the place.

Chryseia

If you are on PC, you can already leave signs (written text) on anything with Essential Housing Tools. Additionally, you can use "NPCs" which flash a subtitle and chat message of your choosing automatically when a visitor first comes within 10m of where the NPC is placed. You can even shove these NPC's underground and change their names, so you don't see them, but still get the benefit of subtitled/chat messages for directions.

perditioner

Act like a developer; use lines in placement of items and have obvious interesting things in view. Use lights to designate paths between areas and lay things out so there is a path around all interesting areas regardless of direction of approach. These techniques are used in the base game areas and also in other games (dark souls love using lights!).

Shadow_Akula

Chryseia wrote: »

If you are on PC, you can already leave signs (written text) on anything with Essential Housing Tools. Additionally, you can use "NPCs" which flash a subtitle and chat message of your choosing automatically when a visitor first comes within 10m of where the NPC is placed. You can even shove these NPC's underground and change their names, so you don't see them, but still get the benefit of subtitled/chat messages for directions.

Always one who needs to post “if your on pc use EHT” look I get it for many EHT solves problems, it can make things look even cooler, etc. But would you people please stop treating it like it is the only solution, some of us on console ya know, hell some pc players may not wanna use EHT. The other solution is for ZoS to actually listen to us, ain’t gonna happen if everyone just sits quiet because EHT covers it.

perditioner wrote: »

Act like a developer; use lines in placement of items and have obvious interesting things in view. Use lights to designate paths between areas and lay things out so there is a path around all interesting areas regardless of direction of approach. These techniques are used in the base game areas and also in other games (dark souls love using lights!).

How many spaces you think houses have? What if a guild house (a very large one) and one has to split the craft areas into large areas but dotted all over the place? How many lights or lines would that take? Just saying your solution, while it is a solution it suffers from limitations (again an issue we all need to keep complaining about to ZoS hoping one day they’ll listen) and can stop people from designing their homes the way they want to.

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S.A.96

Merlight

SantieClaws wrote: »

Danger - something that looks dangerous

Paws?

Chryseia

@Shadow_Akula My post was informative, not argumentative. It is possible someone would see this forum thread and not realize there are options available to them. Obviously, it does not help everyone, but in case it could help SOMEONE, I wanted to share the information.

The purpose of an informative post is to share information, not comment on what the Dev's should or should not provide. Kindly don't characterize my post as something it was not. I did not say EHT was the only solution, and I did not advocate for using EHT as a replacement for actual development. Further, by saying "if you are on PC," I made it clear that it is not a universal solution, and that it will not help console players.

And none of that means that I should not share information that may help someone. Just because it does not help you, does not mean you should try to shame me into not speaking up when it may help others, on the off chance that the developers interpret the provision of helpful information in the way you characterized it, namely, that proper development "ain’t gonna happen if everyone just sits quiet because EHT covers it".

Besides, as far as I can tell, no one is currently "sitting quiet" on the housing forums anyways after their disastrous livestream Q&A.

Shadow_Akula

Chryseia wrote: »

@Shadow_Akula My post was informative, not argumentative. It is possible someone would see this forum thread and not realize there are options available to them. Obviously, it does not help everyone, but in case it could help SOMEONE, I wanted to share the information.

The purpose of an informative post is to share information, not comment on what the Dev's should or should not provide. Kindly don't characterize my post as something it was not. I did not say EHT was the only solution, and I did not advocate for using EHT as a replacement for actual development. Further, by saying "if you are on PC," I made it clear that it is not a universal solution, and that it will not help console players.

And none of that means that I should not share information that may help someone. Just because it does not help you, does not mean you should try to shame me into not speaking up when it may help others, on the off chance that the developers interpret the provision of helpful information in the way you characterized it, namely, that proper development "ain’t gonna happen if everyone just sits quiet because EHT covers it".

Besides, as far as I can tell, no one is currently "sitting quiet" on the housing forums anyways after their disastrous livestream Q&A.

And yet here you are. Arguing.
Advocate away, become part of the problem. Yes devs don’t care because EHT exists, why else do they only improve things after add ons from pc fix it for them first?
And yes there are people sitting quiet because like you, they use EHT and don’t care that large parts of the eso community don’t have access to it/don’t want to use EHT. Also on the matter of sitting quiet if what I say isn’t true then why in housing theads, is there’s only 1 name I recognise constantly here standing up for housing? and that would be Imperial_Voice.

In conclusion all I did was ask to stop simply using EHT as the solution when it isn’t. You returned to argue.

Good day. Don’t tag me again if your just gonna continue to argue 👍🏻

S.A.96

Chryseia

Shadow_Akula wrote: »

And yet here you are. Arguing.

Yes, I started arguing. But only after you characterized a non-argumentative, informative post as "part of the problem."

It's not.

I have played games where the community can't be bothered to answer questions or help people, and that is a far bigger problem than unresponsive development. MMOs are about the community, and I will argue against anyone who tries to silence a helpful community -- especially if they try to use my post to do it.

Silencing informative posts *may* help send Devs a message, and frankly I am skeptical that it would, but it is the community itself that will be hurt in the long run.

Shadow_Akula wrote: »

And yes there are people sitting quiet because like you, they use EHT and don’t care that large parts of the eso community don’t have access to it/don’t want to use EHT.

I don't "sit quiet" because I use EHT. I "sit quiet" because I have played games where we would go a year without getting a new housing asset. Something as basic as a single, new furniture model. Games where we would have no communications about the future plans for the game at all. Compared to that, frankly, ESO isn't that bad - even at base features. I feel no need to complain about what we have.

The truth is, there are very few MMOs out there that support cobbling as a feature of housing (i.e., sinking one furniture into another furniture without collision preventing this action). Wildstar had it, but it's gone now. EQ2 has it, but its really old and the graphics show its age IMO. Rift has it, but it's not an action MMO, and after Wildstar closed I didn't want to play another game that looked like it was going into a long maintenance mode spiral (since Trion was sold at around the same time). ESO is a good option. New furnishing models are regularly added to the game. New homes are released. The art/ assets are amazing, and we get some communication, even if we don't like what we hear. Do I wish we had larger item limits and more features? OF COURSE. However, there are FAR worse options out there -- I've played them -- and what we have here is not bad, its just not ideal.

So you are correct, I don't complain. I frankly see no reason to. It has literally nothing to do with EHT.

R_K

Thank you so much for highlighting the option of Essential Housing Tools for PC players in the interim until ZeniMax can allocate resources toward adding those features into the base game for all players, @Chryseia

Of course we all want to have those features available for everyone on all platforms, but the reality is that those features are not available to anyone unless you play on PC and you use EHT. So while we can't change the current base game situation, for those that have the option, I encourage you to check it out.

Here's just a brief overview of some of Essential Housing Tools' features:

- Automatically backup your entire house with 1-Click Backup Restore of your furniture and 3D FX

- 3D Special FX including:
Snow / Rain
Fireworks / Fog / Smoke / Fire
Fireflies / Pets
Lasers / Spotlights
Brick Walls / Marble Floors / Glass Windows
Water (anywhere in a multitude of varieties - including Clockwork City Oil and Coldharbour Liquid)
Lighting Controls / Hide Grass
Cross-House Portals to Your Homes and Other Player's Homes
Custom Text
Custom NPCs
260+ Hi-Res Paintings
Over 600 other FX

- Multi-item, Single Operation Undo and Redo

- Move and rotate item groups and Align, Center, Level and Orient item groups

- Align and Rotate Any Item around its true center point, rather than the arbitrary "center" point assigned by the game

- Click + Hold items to slide them along any axis in perfectly straight lines to easily hang pictures, align furniture and more

- Snap furniture items together quickly

- Build immaculate construction projects using shape templates including Circles, Domes, Spheres, Spirals, Cubes and others.

- Save and restore groups of items (or even your whole house)

- Lock and unlock items to prevent accidental changes

- Copy item groups and Paste their layout to clone them, or Paste to a different home altogether (even on a different server - such as from PTS to Live)

- Import / Export Copied items to share clipboards with friends, allowing them to then Paste that same layout into their home

- Toggle groups of Lights ON/OFF with 1-click

- Trigger home automation routines using a variety of conditions including
Entering/Exiting a designated location
Saying a key phrase in /say, /group, /zone, etc.
Toggling a specific Light, Switch or other toggled item On/Off
Interacting with any interactive item, including Assistants, Crafting Stations, Books, etc.
Using specific Emotes
Using specific Quickslot Items (any item you want)
Entering/Exiting Combat
Dual-Condition Triggers based on two of the above criteria

- Animate items or automatically rearrange items with Scenes

- Reset all Target Dummies to full health instantly, without waiting for Combat to end

and more...

R_K

Sorry, I forgot one of the most recent features:

The Housing Hub is a new, central feature of Essential Housing Tools that allows you to:

• Visit to any player's home
• Manage and Visit Favorite Homes (yours and other players')
• View and Visit Recent Homes you have visited
• Host and Tour Open Houses from players across the entire Housing Community
• Tour Guildmates' Entries in Housing Contests and Exhibitions with lists pulled automatically from your Messages of the Day
• Share your homes' 3D visual FX with others and even re-share other players' FX with third-parties
• Search all of your Furnishings with DecoTrack integration, including by Item, Category, House, Bank/Storage Chest and Character's Inventory

...all from one, convenient Hub (accessible by default with ALT+H or by clicking the Home icon in the game's top menu bar)

SirMewser

I had the same thought about this island, I really am on edge about the larger homes in the game because of this (and furniture caps).

I used the top house as a crafting hub, two murkmire latter's going up to the upper lofts, where each corner and two lofts is a single crafting station, deced out respectively in the theme of that craft...

The middle house will be a guest bedroom.
The first shelter will be for my assistants.

I think this makes for a simple layout but again, people first visiting would have to guess.... I suppose.

Karius_Imalthar

Signs that would allow some basic customized text would be nice. Yes, I could write something totally obscene... but only I and my guests would ever see it.

Bleakraven

Using a large "plot" house and dividing it into 3 different purposes, I'd love to have some writtable signs near the entrance.

ZOS_GabeS

Greetings,

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