ZOS finally PAID ME BACK! Caught 3 R.A mounts on Good Friday!

shaielzafine

SomeDogsAreCops wrote: »

shaielzafine wrote: »

Enjoy your stuff, OP. People on the forums typically disapprove of spending crowns in general, I think they feel more strongly about crown crates because of the gambling aspect. If you're a grown, responsible adult and it's your money, spend it on whatever you want. If you get enjoyment out of something, it doesn't harm others and it doesn't cause you hardship, I don't see a problem. I've opened multiple crown crates every season but haven't gotten a radiant apex. I'd be happy too, if I got one. Granted, I have not & won't spend anywhere near the same amount of crowns on gamble boxes as you have, but the chance everytime you open a box is the same. I'm not more likely to get a radiant apex mount by opening 1000 vs 5. That's the reason I always have a set amount I'm willing to open: no guarantee for a drop (ex. like in Apex Legends, after 500 boxes you have a guaranteed heirloom set drop which is the rarest thing like the radiant apex) and there's no visible % drop rate chance (ex. 2% for a legendary) like in other loot boxes. I do spend a lot of crowns on housing & cosmetics, and I spend even more on other hobbies IRL. As far as hobbies go, video games (particularly MMOs) are pretty cheap for dollar per hour spent.

They aren't for responsible adults who know how to spend their money, they are implemented to take advantage of impulsive and addictive personalities. It's literally gambling.

Yes, it's literally gambling. Is it illegal? Not that I know of. Obviously, ZOS is the winner here, but are you really surprised that a for profit corporation is out to make money? This game couldn't sustain mandatory subscription model like other MMOs, and this is what we get in exchange. Lootboxes on top of expansions on top of subs on top of DLCs on top of microtransations. It's just the way it is. And what about OP? If OP is happy about their purchase how is that unfair? They knew what they were doing. If they feel like they have an addictive personality or impulse control problems then clearly that's beyond what the forums is for. Only OP can tell if they have problems or not. And you, how do you know if this person is responsible or not? How can you judge OP whether they live within their means or not? What if they make 6 figures a year and have no kids and have no debt, have lots of savings and have all their needs met? That's a very different picture from someone who is gambling with their credit card and struggling to pay the bills and struggling with IRL responsibilities like school or having kids. You simply can't tell because OP is a random person on the internet. Like I said, OP should enjoy what they already purchased. Lots of other hobbies like collecting drones / traveling constantly / shopping for clothes / collecting cars cost way, way more than what OP spent. It's their life, they make money, they spend it, they can enjoy what they paid for. There's no need to be judgy simply because people have different priorities and value different things as they spend time / money.

Bhaal5

Damn, so much wasted money to encourage zos's bad business practices...

This is the reason they dont fix anything, because people do this.

JinMori

ArchMikem wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bro, that was a waste of money.

Shouldnt judge what others do with their money.

Well, it's objectively a waste of money, do whatever you want with your money, but that's a waste of money.

You are also supporting really bad practices, so you are also making it worse for everyone.

JinMori

GaryMeow wrote: »

BeezleDaWarlock wrote: »

Dude... Of course you are gonna get radiant mounts with the sheer amount of crowns.. but holy crap what a waste of money.. that's like easily roughly $1000 AUD/Average weeks pay here in Aus. I understand that it's your money to spend and you're entitled to your own choices/opinion but anyone in their right mind would condone this reckless spending. Considering its purely cosmetic and when the servers eventually close at some point in the future and your mounts will vanish. The only person that's won here is ZOS by getting your money lol. Such a waste!

Greetings 🥳🥳
I'm from Sydney, as you said 1000AUD is just a week or two's pay, so it's really not a big deal to me. At least in this quarter i don't have to buy crates anymore.

How you worded this makes me think that you probably have an addiction, why do you HAVE to spend money on this?

Tan9oSuccka

Thanks for supporting the game.

But bro. Sheesh, that’s a lot of $$$.

geonsocal

i don't know gary, that's a lot of snail food you could have bought...

YaYaPineapple

Sooo much envy in this thread. Envy is such an ugly emotion.

I don't mean envy of radiant apex mounts, I mean envy of entertainment funds.

OP already stated clearly that it is not a lot of money for him, and that he spent what he was comfortable spending, so GTFO with all this "OMG gambling!!!" and "ZOS taking advantage of an addict!" outrage. I don't see any of you picketing casinos in Vegas trying to keep people from having a good time spending tens of thousands of their own dollars. So cut the moral superiority bullcrap.

Be honest with yourselves. You don't really care about gambling, and you aren't really concerned about the OP's financial well being.

Whatever you spend your own entertainment dollars on is probably also thought by many people to be a "total waste of money", so leave the OP alone and just be happy for him because he's having a good time.

JinMori

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

Sooo much envy in this thread. Envy is such an ugly emotion.

I don't mean envy of radiant apex mounts, I mean envy of entertainment funds.

OP already stated clearly that it is not a lot of money for him, and that he spent what he was comfortable spending, so GTFO with all this "OMG gambling!!!" and "ZOS taking advantage of an addict!" outrage. I don't see any of you picketing casinos in Vegas trying to keep people from having a good time spending tens of thousands of their own dollars. So cut the moral superiority bullcrap.

Be honest with yourselves. You don't really care about gambling, and you aren't really concerned about the OP's financial well being.

Whatever you spend your own entertainment dollars on is probably also thought by many people to be a "total waste of money", so leave the OP alone and just be happy for him because he's having a good time.

It has all to do with what you get out of the money you spend, with content at least you get something to play with, but with cosmetic stuff? Not really, i mean you can find enjoyment out of cosmetic, but it's all about the price you pay, this dude spent 1000 grands on some mounts, you could have bought so much content with that it's ridiculous, and for all the fun you find out of cosmetic there is no way you can objectively say that the value of cosmetic is even close to that of actual; content, afterall, you wouldn;t buy any cosmetic if there wasn;t at least some content to back it.

So no, i don't envy op addiction, rather i wish him or her luck in solving his or her poor money spending habits.

Ryknos

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

Be honest with yourselves. You don't really care about gambling, and you aren't really concerned about the OP's financial well being.

In my post I suggested calling the gambling hotline (1-800-522-4700).

peacenote

GaryMeow wrote: »

I didn't give up, logged in with my lucky Argonian Templar...

Did you get the solar horse on the Templar, too? I have always had this sneaking suspicion that some characters are just born luckier than others. : D : D

Anyway, congrats!

GaryMeow

Why some people really like to mix up this kind of very normal and usual behavior that spending money on entertainment with gambling?? It looks like they would define every purchasing behavior that regarding a chance to get uncertain objects is gambling....

For real actual gambling, you could lose everything without winning a penny....but opening crown crates, at least you do get things..things might not make you satisfied but you do get something.. its just like buying those physical mysterious loot box, are you gonna say that is gambling too?
Or would you say upgrading the quality of a gear without 100% chance is gambling?

Ridiculous and funny....

Ryknos

GaryMeow wrote: »

Why some people really like to mix up this kind of very normal and usual behavior that spending money on entertainment with gambling?? It looks like they would define every purchasing behavior that regarding a chance to get uncertain objects is gambling....

For real actual gambling, you could lose everything without winning a penny....but opening crown crates, at least you do get things..things might not make you satisfied but you do get something.. its just like buying those physical mysterious loot box, are you gonna say that is gambling too?
Or would you say upgrading the quality of a gear without 100% chance is gambling?

Ridiculous and funny....

You spent 750 dollars on crown boxes, then another 450 on crown boxes, and then another 150...this is called gambling addiction.

Respect4Elders

GaryMeow

peacenote wrote: »

GaryMeow wrote: »

I didn't give up, logged in with my lucky Argonian Templar...

Did you get the solar horse on the Templar, too? I have always had this sneaking suspicion that some characters are just born luckier than others. : D : D

Anyway, congrats!

So far I've got 4( i have 6 in total)RA mounts on my argonian templar including the new 3 from Dragonscale crates.

I've tried other characters too, but they just don't have the luck 🥺

GaryMeow

geonsocal wrote: »

i don't know gary, that's a lot of snail food you could have bought...

I don't eat snail food
Cat food please🐈

BeezleDaWarlock

I can't believe my eyes at OP and how he supports this practice. It honestly makes me sick knowing how the gaming industry is turning out..

zyk

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

Sooo much envy in this thread. Envy is such an ugly emotion.

I don't mean envy of radiant apex mounts, I mean envy of entertainment funds.

It has nothing to do with envy or income. Typically, people who gamble have significantly lower incomes. Gambling regulations are meant to protect the disadvantaged. I would bet most players who buy Crowns do so with credit.

Whales don't exist in a vacuum. Their purchases influence how the game is designed and how prices are set. Reckless spenders effectively increase the prices for everyone else. This is why ZOS can get away with selling a player house for the price of 2 full AAA games.

I am critical of the OP for supporting a terrible business model -- and one the game did not have when I bought it.

Mayrael

Hahah madman! Congratulations! I would never spent those money on a vid game but hey, untill that's not my money I don't care Nice to see you got lucky! Now we all need more slots on houses to be able to put all those RA mounts somewhere

daemonios

To all of you who say OP is supporting the game... he isn't. He's supporting the monetization model. If the game were still sub-based, ZOS would have to provide a quality service to maintain their player base. With people throwing thousands upon thousands of dollars at loot crates, ZOS only have to provide the barest minimum so that enough people still gamble on their platform. And guess what? When they shut down the game, all your cosmetics are going to /dev/null

For a company to monetize a game this way makes a lot of sense, even if I think the decision can be questioned on moral grounds. But for players to cheer as they're milked for every last cent in exchange for a lot of fluff, degrading performance and unresolved issues? I have no words.

Lisutaris

Even on a crown sale á ~75 € per 21k pack.... its 8x75 € ... so 600 € spent on mounts.

Believe me, ZOS didnt pay you back in the slightest ... It's more like:



Edit:
But I agree, you should do stuff that you like and have fun with. If its crown crate opening, why not.
And we should not forget !! Most crown crate buyers are eso+ subs .... so.... yeah ... somehow disturbing

WolfingHour

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

Sooo much envy in this thread. Envy is such an ugly emotion.

I don't mean envy of radiant apex mounts, I mean envy of entertainment funds.

OP already stated clearly that it is not a lot of money for him, and that he spent what he was comfortable spending, so GTFO with all this "OMG gambling!!!" and "ZOS taking advantage of an addict!" outrage. I don't see any of you picketing casinos in Vegas trying to keep people from having a good time spending tens of thousands of their own dollars. So cut the moral superiority bullcrap.

Be honest with yourselves. You don't really care about gambling, and you aren't really concerned about the OP's financial well being.

Whatever you spend your own entertainment dollars on is probably also thought by many people to be a "total waste of money", so leave the OP alone and just be happy for him because he's having a good time.

Those two are not the same. The economic activity of RL casino is highly regulated, which is not the case here. This is more like Uber and the like taking undue advantage of legal vacuums.

I've said in a previous comment when the double standard of casinos and loot boxes is called out. It's not strictly about gambling - legalized gambling serves a purpose - but rather about unregulated gambling in videogames specifically.

Knootewoot

Gratz on the mounts.

Elwendryll

Some people smoke and drink alcohol (Well, I'd even say most). When I see how much it costs to regularly smoke or drink alcohol in my country, I find it absurd, yet, a lot of people do it. I won't judge them, they enjoy that. I personally enjoy spending money on video game cosmetics, sometimes I feel like I spend too much, but when I seriously look at it, it's waaaay less than what I would spend on alcohol and smoking. And you know the best? These items, that are not really mine, but the property of the game editors, I can enjoy them for years, while the only memories you'll get from smoking and drinking is a poor health. Everyone spends their money how they want. And this kind of players is what makes the game available without subscription to other players. There is no such thing as real item or fake item. It's a service. Buying cosmetic is like going to a restaurant or watching a show. It has a real value. Even if someone is spending half their income in video games, it's not absurd if they really enjoy that. This money could be spent on restaurants, travels, alcohol, smoking, that's the same thing. And honestly, I don't buy crown crates unless I miss a few gems for a specific item. ESO business model is very effective, you can think whatever you want about that, but it generates a lot of money without discriminating the players who don't pay.

Calling the OP practices a gambling addiction is too much. It's not because you don't understand their interest that they are not healthy. Unless they are skipping meals for their interest, obviously.

FierceSam

Everstorm wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Geez let the man spend his money however he wants, for all u know he may be rich af lol

Gratz OP!

Don't care that he spends his money in a game. I just hate someone keeping the gambling boxes profitable like that. If he had spend $1000 to directly buy those mounts I wouldn't give a hoot, it's his money. But this predatory behaviour by companies to exploit gambling sensitive people is just low.

This +1

Actually, this +1 million

Fischblut

Grats on all those mounts But the most important question: why don't you have a video showcase for them? The most interesting would be to see Dragonscale Solar Horse in action, cause in some of crate opening videos somebody already showed wolf and senche. Everyone can preview them idling in the store, but what we want to know is how they "roar" and if they leave some nice visual trail when moving

I like to see nice mounts in game, and Solar Horse looks beautiful when it "roars", but it was random capture and player did not move; he pressed "roar" two or three times, and I didn't have my recording software on

GaryMeow

Fischblut wrote: »

Grats on all those mounts But the most important question: why don't you have a video showcase for them? The most interesting would be to see Dragonscale Solar Horse in action, cause in some of crate opening videos somebody already showed wolf and senche. Everyone can preview them idling in the store, but what we want to know is how they "roar" and if they leave some nice visual trail when moving

I like to see nice mounts in game, and Solar Horse looks beautiful when it "roars", but it was random capture and player did not move; he pressed "roar" two or three times, and I didn't have my recording software on

I've done recording the video, check this out and enjoy 🥳
https://youtu.be/vDD4zUt1oZs

Numerikuu

daemonios wrote: »

To all of you who say OP is supporting the game... he isn't. He's supporting the monetization model. If the game were still sub-based, ZOS would have to provide a quality service to maintain their player base. With people throwing thousands upon thousands of dollars at loot crates, ZOS only have to provide the barest minimum so that enough people still gamble on their platform. And guess what? When they shut down the game, all your cosmetics are going to /dev/null

For a company to monetize a game this way makes a lot of sense, even if I think the decision can be questioned on moral grounds. But for players to cheer as they're milked for every last cent in exchange for a lot of fluff, degrading performance and unresolved issues? I have no words.

Eeeexactly.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

"ZOS finally PAID ME BACK! "
I am afraid you got it completely wrong... Isn't it you, who paid them ?

Yeaaaah...the only person who won here are the execs and shareholders lmao. The people who actually slave their asses off on this game though? Nah. Dust in the wind.

The extra money they've made since gamble boxes were added have certainly not been put back into their servers, and certainly not their several year-long-running broken group tool...or the plethora of other broken things the community have complained about for y e a r s now.

Congrats on your gambling addiction, OP.

Everstorm

Elwendryll wrote: »

Some people smoke and drink alcohol (Well, I'd even say most). When I see how much it costs to regularly smoke or drink alcohol in my country, I find it absurd, yet, a lot of people do it. I won't judge them, they enjoy that. I personally enjoy spending money on video game cosmetics, sometimes I feel like I spend too much, but when I seriously look at it, it's waaaay less than what I would spend on alcohol and smoking. And you know the best? These items, that are not really mine, but the property of the game editors, I can enjoy them for years, while the only memories you'll get from smoking and drinking is a poor health. Everyone spends their money how they want. And this kind of players is what makes the game available without subscription to other players. There is no such thing as real item or fake item. It's a service. Buying cosmetic is like going to a restaurant or watching a show. It has a real value. Even if someone is spending half their income in video games, it's not absurd if they really enjoy that. This money could be spent on restaurants, travels, alcohol, smoking, that's the same thing.

Now imagine going to the liquor store to buy a liquor pack. There is a chance there will be a Black Label JW in it but it's a very small chance and you'll most likely end up with water, milk and coffee, and every now and then a beer...

frostitomik

For the people comparing this to alcohol and cigarettes: You actually own the alcohol and cigarettes after you buy them and they have a real world value.

If there will be some major crisis, the value of alcohol and cigarettes can actually rise. You can exchange alcohol and cigarettes for food and shelter. Yes they are bad for your health but they are not wasted money. When you buy them, they have a real value (apart from the countries where 80% of the value are taxes, but even then the taxes support the country's budget).

Problem with loot-boxes is, they should be counted as gambling and then it would be a whole different category for taxation, similar to alcohol and cigarettes. Gaming companies would be then paying a very significant amount of their profits as taxes, which will then limit their decisions to focus mainly on the loot boxes.

Saturnana

While I'm happy for OP they got the mounts they wanted and have the disposable income to do so, I'd prefer not to see anyone advocate this type (and scale!!) of gambling to all the kids that play this game and browse this forum. They (the kids) should know it's not 'normal' to spend $1000 on digital goods - nor is it healthy behaviour, if you ask me.