The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

Derra

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Look - i´m not against faction lock. If i could chose to have all my chars fight for one faction i wouldn´t post.

What i´m against is being actively encouraged to roll chars on multiple factions for years and then have ZOS stick me the finger and tell me that i can´t play half of those chars anymore with only one active campaign during daytime.

Edit: To clarify: ZOS introduced low population bonuses and buffed them multiple times. I´ve rolled chars on the two factions that got low pop bonuses frequently to try to even out populations (and get those bonuses).

Telel

Elong wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

This one thinks that a sample size bigger than one's fingers is required before determining what is and isn't good for thousand s of people.

That is if us 'mere mortals' are allowed to have an opinion which does not echo as nicely within your ears.

Personally the majority of so called 'good' players that this one meets are very very quick to run off to whatever side gives them the chance for easy AP.

In fact this one can think of only three guilds whomever didn't do that whil squealing about how 'skilled' they were. The last of them went on hiatus after the closure of the last vivec campaign. They smply got tired of the scrubs resorting to the very kind of loathsome tactics faction lock has put a damper on.

This one also encountered folks from a guild that likes to claim to be 'good' today. However those 'good' players were huddling in the middle of a fifteen man pile that took a bit of time to wipe out a mere five man PUG.

Which also means they made a conscious choice to join up with the side that's been very honest in its decision to destroy all the campaigns....

Gotta love those fair weather PVPers eh?

If by “fair weather” you mean playing the underpopulated faction, then yes?

Telel you never cease to disappoint. My favorite thing about your stream is that I don’t have to wonder if you’re playing a character.. you actually believe the things you say and type out.

The best bit I love about Telel is that he thinks a disorganised social guild of players from 3 factions are this big Illuminati controlling the ebb and flow of pvp. He's been munching on too much skooma.

This one finds your ability to peer into this one's mind and read his thoughts to be....

Very very much nonexistent as you are very clearly wrong. They suggest you stop trying. Mostly because this one is tired of starring in your fan fiction. Your creepy, creepy fan fiction.

CatchMeTrolling

Just find it odd that you can see threads asking why EP is so populated and hear it in game over the years but suddenly when faction lock is reintroduced it’s some big conspiracy. You guys wanted people to be loyal and they chose their main alliance.

Right now most of my characters are EP and most of the people I know are EP. However, my current favorite character is on Ad, problem is I only have 1 AD, so I’d be stuck to using that one character. On DC I have two but really one because I don’t like magblade in open world anymore so that leaves me with just my stam sorc. So even though I don’t play for a single alliance anymore it’ll make the most sense to home the faction that I have the most characters on in a faction locked campaign.

If they wanted to introduce faction lock after this long they should’ve removed alliance from character choice. Also another thing, if the problem “fixes” itself by people joining another faction after each campaign, that’s not faction loyalty. It’ll only prove faction locks shouldn’t be a thing and you indeed need players to swap alliances for the betterment of the campaign.

bulbousb16_ESO

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Just find it odd that you can see threads asking why EP is so populated and hear it in game over the years but suddenly when faction lock is reintroduced it’s some big conspiracy. You guys wanted people to be loyal and they chose their main alliance

So, what you are suggesting is that everyone who played multiple factions was really an EP at heart. And THAT notion seems more plausible to you?

CatchMeTrolling

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Just find it odd that you can see threads asking why EP is so populated and hear it in game over the years but suddenly when faction lock is reintroduced it’s some big conspiracy. You guys wanted people to be loyal and they chose their main alliance

So, what you are suggesting is that everyone who played multiple factions was really an EP at heart. And THAT notion seems more plausible to you?

If the majority of pvp players are EP yes it would make the most sense that they’d go back to the alliance they have the most characters on. I don’t see why that is rocket science.

Most players don’t even use the forums. You really think players organized a whole rebellion against faction lock ? You’re giving away way too much credit to something that’s been inherently disorganized.

ThornJagger

I don't see a mandatory faction lock being needed. If you feel strongly about it, there are Loyalist Guilds in place for that.

bulbousb16_ESO

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You really think players organized a whole rebellion against faction lock ? You’re giving away way too much credit to something that’s been inherently disorganized.

No organization about it. They came on the forums and predicted it would happen; now they are taking actions to make sure their predictions come true.

CatchMeTrolling

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You really think players organized a whole rebellion against faction lock ? You’re giving away way too much credit to something that’s been inherently disorganized.

No organization about it. They came on the forums and predicted it would happen; now they are taking actions to make sure their predictions come true.

It’s just the fact you can’t accept that you’re wrong and was wrong, it’s okay to be wrong. The Fallout slogan is “War never changes” it’s no different with ESO. People tried to tell you what would happen because what already happened and continued to happen; you for whatever reason thought it would be different.

Cyrodiil will be Cyrodiil. One faction ends up dominating, people will play the 30 day and there will always be trolls. It’s that simple.

bulbousb16_ESO

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

It’s just the fact you can’t accept that you’re wrong and was wrong, it’s okay to be wrong.

Thanks. I'm glad to know it's OK with you.

Wait... what was I wrong about?

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cyrodiil will be Cyrodiil. One faction ends up dominating, people will play the 30 day and there will always be trolls. It’s that simple.

Ahhh, the old "Can't win, don't try" argument. Let me know when you have something worth discussing.

CatchMeTrolling

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

It’s just the fact you can’t accept that you’re wrong and was wrong, it’s okay to be wrong.

Thanks. I'm glad to know it's OK with you.

Wait... what was I wrong about?

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cyrodiil will be Cyrodiil. One faction ends up dominating, people will play the 30 day and there will always be trolls. It’s that simple.

Ahhh, the old "Can't win, don't try" argument. Let me know when you have something worth discussing.

Okay.

ShenaniganSquad

You know what would fix all of it..... Zos not charging for any race any alliance ... make that free, stop charging people to play their fav combination... that would show us who people prefer to play for ... but that aint gonna happen so not much you can do about it... plenty of new people to recruit, guilds need to get out there and post those recruitment adds

snowmanflvb14_ESO

Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

As does GOA. By the amount of pvp going on it also looks like the majority of the population on the old Sotha and Vivic servers are enjoying the faction locks.

Kadoin

snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

As does GOA. By the amount of pvp going on it also looks like the majority of the population on the old Sotha and Vivic servers are enjoying the faction locks.

Or they're just playing there because there is no where else.

poietin

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

It’s just the fact you can’t accept that you’re wrong and was wrong, it’s okay to be wrong.

Thanks. I'm glad to know it's OK with you.

Wait... what was I wrong about?

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cyrodiil will be Cyrodiil. One faction ends up dominating, people will play the 30 day and there will always be trolls. It’s that simple.

Ahhh, the old "Can't win, don't try" argument. Let me know when you have something worth discussing.

Your zealot for faction lock is preventing you to see what is so plainly stated and repeated many times by many people, that faction lock will result in 1 faction (EP) dominating and that it will not prevent people trolling or spying. The reality is that it is a poorly and hastily implemented policy and many people are unhappy with it. However, zealous faction RPers like to dismiss these complaints. Faction loyalists zealous complaints on the forum are what lead ZOS to implement faction lock in the first place. If you want to RP as a faction loyalist, then I want to RP as a faction swapper. I pay the same sub as you, I don't see why not.

Haashhtaag

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

Ghostbane

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

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Tsuriel

Simple: I just rerolled EP until the faction lock is removed and/or faction imbalance fixed. Soon enough. Hopefully more won't take my route and risk clogging the EP queue in due time.

Mr_Walker

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You really think players organized a whole rebellion against faction lock ? You’re giving away way too much credit to something that’s been inherently disorganized.

No organization about it. They came on the forums and predicted it would happen; now they are taking actions to make sure their predictions come true.

2 things at play here.

1) The forum is a vanishingly small subset of the player base of any game.
2) Have you ever actually tried to organise anything in PvP? Even something as simple as "hit N wall Alessia" is like herding cats, but somehow, they've all come together in this common cause to make you look silly. Yeah....

Mr_Walker

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

Impossible, faction locks stopped this.

bulbousb16_ESO

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

Impossible, faction locks stopped this.

Hey, why do we have police? There's always going to be crime, so why waste our money?

Brain dead argument is brain dead.

Dutchessx

At least you all who play CP campaigns have a choice, no cp has no other server.

#UnlockNoCP #OpenAnotherNoCPServer

Haashhtaag

Dutchessx wrote: »

At least you all who play CP campaigns have a choice, no cp has no other server.

#UnlockNoCP #OpenAnotherNoCPServer

We don’t though, shor is dead. 97% of the time and if it’s not dead it’s literally 1 raid or 2 PvDooring

Dutchessx

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

Oh Noooo.....I thought faction locks were suppose to save us from this!?
I jest.

Dutchessx

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dutchessx wrote: »

At least you all who play CP campaigns have a choice, no cp has no other server.

#UnlockNoCP #OpenAnotherNoCPServer

We don’t though, shor is dead. 97% of the time and if it’s not dead it’s literally 1 raid or 2 PvDooring

In my humble opinion, then maybe instead of waiting in que some guilds should home there? But, that is just my opinion and I don’t have a guild and I don’t play cp so... just saying.

I would like an option at least for us to try it on.
Better yet just reverse faction locks!

Rakno87

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

bulbousb16_ESO

Rakno87 wrote: »

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

Until we get successfully get locks on all campaigns.

Dutchessx

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Rakno87 wrote: »

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

Until we get successfully get locks on all campaigns.

You know... seriously honest here. I understand people want to be faction loyal, I get it. The people who are for faction locks got what they wanted. Both 30 day servers are locked down. You seem to still have the same issues you had before.

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

You still have trolls who dunk scrolls.

You also still have ques.

It sounds like EP is faction dominant across servers (correct me if I am wrong).

So now you want it everywhere? Why? Do you really want people NOT to play with friends isn’t that why we play a MMO? To play with other people? Seriously. Enjoy what you have and be grateful for it. The rest of the people either could careless about it or just want to play with their friends and find good fights. Are the people crying about wanting more faction locked servers just salty? Or what? Why ruin gameplay for everyone else when you can just join a faction loyal guild and live happily ever after?

bulbousb16_ESO

Dutchessx wrote: »

So now you want it everywhere? Why? Do you really want people NOT to play with friends isn’t that why we play a MMO? To play with other people? Seriously. Enjoy what you have and be grateful for it. The rest of the people either could careless about it or just want to play with their friends and find good fights.

Your shortening of the acronym is telling. This is an MMORPG. If you are ignoring the RPG aspect of it completely, then you are not a good game citizen. I understand how you want to play, but this is not the game for it. There are plenty of other MMOs that have PvP that aren't RPGs - sounds like you would be more at home on one of those?

Dutchessx

Rakno87 wrote: »

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

Show me where the 7 day No CP server is and I will home it.

#FreeNoCP

Dutchessx

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Dutchessx wrote: »

So now you want it everywhere? Why? Do you really want people NOT to play with friends isn’t that why we play a MMO? To play with other people? Seriously. Enjoy what you have and be grateful for it. The rest of the people either could careless about it or just want to play with their friends and find good fights.

Your shortening of the acronym is telling. This is an MMORPG. If you are ignoring the RPG aspect of it completely, then you are not a good game citizen. I understand how you want to play, but this is not the game for it. There are plenty of other MMOs that have PvP that aren't RPGs - sounds like you would be more at home on one of those?

I play where I want how I want... until you pay me otherwise.

Also, how many stories about the game have you written? I honestly don’t know you may have dozens. Also, please describe to me your RP guild I am considering looking for one. Oh make sure it is Breton and EP. Otherwise, keep your opinions about me to yourself. Thank you.

#FreeNoCP