The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

Derra · May 2019

I still haven´t stepped into pvp since patch bc i genuinely can´t decide which half of my chars i want to play.

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Thogard · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

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Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Thogard wrote: »

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups)..

Sounds like a bunch of people who have zero idea what this game is about. Cyrodiil is not a "PvP' zone. It is an Alliance War zone. We're better off without them.

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

*Rolls eyes*

Jimmy_The_Fixer · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

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Thogard wrote: »

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups)..

Sounds like a bunch of people who have zero idea what this game is about. Cyrodiil is not a "PvP' zone. It is an Alliance War zone. We're better off without them.

Yeah, Cyrodiil is a better place without pvpers, I agree 100%. Those doors won’t see it coming.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Yeah, Cyrodiil is a better place without pvpers, I agree 100%.

Good. Let's fill it with people who understand that Cyrodiil is an AvA zone.

Jimmy_The_Fixer · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

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Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Yeah, Cyrodiil is a better place without pvpers, I agree 100%.

Good. Let's fill it with people who understand that Cyrodiil is an AvA zone.

See, that’s the spirit, but without enemy players we’re still gonna need some kind of challenge in Cyrodiil. I propose that we introduce special guards with huge health pools that require group coordination to kill, these “boss guards” could even award special loot for killing them.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

See, that’s the spirit, but without enemy players we’re still gonna need some kind of challenge in Cyrodiil.

Who said anything about not having any enemy players? AvA includes PvP.

Thogard · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

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Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

See, that’s the spirit, but without enemy players we’re still gonna need some kind of challenge in Cyrodiil.

Who said anything about not having any enemy players? AvA includes PvP.

Oh I get it! So the different enemy players will take turns killing these boss keep guards, and whoever does it fastest will win the most points and win the AvA. If someone dies we should subtract points. We could even have a leaderboard to show who flipped keeps and killed the mobs inside the fastest. Maybe award skins for doing it on hard mode? Idk, still working on this revolutionary idea.

Telel · May 2019

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bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

This one thinks that a sample size bigger than one's fingers is required before determining what is and isn't good for thousand s of people.

That is if us 'mere mortals' are allowed to have an opinion which does not echo as nicely within your ears.

Personally the majority of so called 'good' players that this one meets are very very quick to run off to whatever side gives them the chance for easy AP.

In fact this one can think of only three guilds whomever didn't do that whil squealing about how 'skilled' they were. The last of them went on hiatus after the closure of the last vivec campaign. They smply got tired of the scrubs resorting to the very kind of loathsome tactics faction lock has put a damper on.

This one also encountered folks from a guild that likes to claim to be 'good' today. However those 'good' players were huddling in the middle of a fifteen man pile that took a bit of time to wipe out a mere five man PUG.

Which also means they made a conscious choice to join up with the side that's been very honest in its decision to destroy all the campaigns....

Gotta love those fair weather PVPers eh?

Thogard · May 2019

Telel wrote: »

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Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

This one thinks that a sample size bigger than one's fingers is required before determining what is and isn't good for thousand s of people.

That is if us 'mere mortals' are allowed to have an opinion which does not echo as nicely within your ears.

Personally the majority of so called 'good' players that this one meets are very very quick to run off to whatever side gives them the chance for easy AP.

In fact this one can think of only three guilds whomever didn't do that whil squealing about how 'skilled' they were. The last of them went on hiatus after the closure of the last vivec campaign. They smply got tired of the scrubs resorting to the very kind of loathsome tactics faction lock has put a damper on.

This one also encountered folks from a guild that likes to claim to be 'good' today. However those 'good' players were huddling in the middle of a fifteen man pile that took a bit of time to wipe out a mere five man PUG.

Which also means they made a conscious choice to join up with the side that's been very honest in its decision to destroy all the campaigns....

Gotta love those fair weather PVPers eh?

If by “fair weather” you mean playing the underpopulated faction, then yes?

Telel you never cease to disappoint. My favorite thing about your stream is that I don’t have to wonder if you’re playing a character.. you actually believe the things you say and type out.

Elong · May 2019

Thogard wrote: »

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Telel wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

This one thinks that a sample size bigger than one's fingers is required before determining what is and isn't good for thousand s of people.

That is if us 'mere mortals' are allowed to have an opinion which does not echo as nicely within your ears.

Personally the majority of so called 'good' players that this one meets are very very quick to run off to whatever side gives them the chance for easy AP.

In fact this one can think of only three guilds whomever didn't do that whil squealing about how 'skilled' they were. The last of them went on hiatus after the closure of the last vivec campaign. They smply got tired of the scrubs resorting to the very kind of loathsome tactics faction lock has put a damper on.

This one also encountered folks from a guild that likes to claim to be 'good' today. However those 'good' players were huddling in the middle of a fifteen man pile that took a bit of time to wipe out a mere five man PUG.

Which also means they made a conscious choice to join up with the side that's been very honest in its decision to destroy all the campaigns....

Gotta love those fair weather PVPers eh?

If by “fair weather” you mean playing the underpopulated faction, then yes?

Telel you never cease to disappoint. My favorite thing about your stream is that I don’t have to wonder if you’re playing a character.. you actually believe the things you say and type out.

The best bit I love about Telel is that he thinks a disorganised social guild of players from 3 factions are this big Illuminati controlling the ebb and flow of pvp. He's been munching on too much skooma.

DisgracefulMind · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

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Thogard wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

This one thinks that a sample size bigger than one's fingers is required before determining what is and isn't good for thousand s of people.

That is if us 'mere mortals' are allowed to have an opinion which does not echo as nicely within your ears.

Personally the majority of so called 'good' players that this one meets are very very quick to run off to whatever side gives them the chance for easy AP.

In fact this one can think of only three guilds whomever didn't do that whil squealing about how 'skilled' they were. The last of them went on hiatus after the closure of the last vivec campaign. They smply got tired of the scrubs resorting to the very kind of loathsome tactics faction lock has put a damper on.

This one also encountered folks from a guild that likes to claim to be 'good' today. However those 'good' players were huddling in the middle of a fifteen man pile that took a bit of time to wipe out a mere five man PUG.

Which also means they made a conscious choice to join up with the side that's been very honest in its decision to destroy all the campaigns....

Gotta love those fair weather PVPers eh?

If by “fair weather” you mean playing the underpopulated faction, then yes?

Telel you never cease to disappoint. My favorite thing about your stream is that I don’t have to wonder if you’re playing a character.. you actually believe the things you say and type out.

The best bit I love about Telel is that he thinks a disorganised social guild of players from 3 factions are this big Illuminati controlling the ebb and flow of pvp. He's been munching on too much skooma.

Man we're too [snip] lazy to do all that LOL

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Elong · May 2019

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

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Elong wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

This one thinks that a sample size bigger than one's fingers is required before determining what is and isn't good for thousand s of people.

That is if us 'mere mortals' are allowed to have an opinion which does not echo as nicely within your ears.

Personally the majority of so called 'good' players that this one meets are very very quick to run off to whatever side gives them the chance for easy AP.

In fact this one can think of only three guilds whomever didn't do that whil squealing about how 'skilled' they were. The last of them went on hiatus after the closure of the last vivec campaign. They smply got tired of the scrubs resorting to the very kind of loathsome tactics faction lock has put a damper on.

This one also encountered folks from a guild that likes to claim to be 'good' today. However those 'good' players were huddling in the middle of a fifteen man pile that took a bit of time to wipe out a mere five man PUG.

Which also means they made a conscious choice to join up with the side that's been very honest in its decision to destroy all the campaigns....

Gotta love those fair weather PVPers eh?

If by “fair weather” you mean playing the underpopulated faction, then yes?

Telel you never cease to disappoint. My favorite thing about your stream is that I don’t have to wonder if you’re playing a character.. you actually believe the things you say and type out.

The best bit I love about Telel is that he thinks a disorganised social guild of players from 3 factions are this big Illuminati controlling the ebb and flow of pvp. He's been munching on too much skooma.

Man we're too [snip] lazy to do all that LOL

Don't tell Fairly, he'll go mad with power!

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bmesi · May 2019

TELEL IN 2019 LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Fairweather91 · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

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DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

This one thinks that a sample size bigger than one's fingers is required before determining what is and isn't good for thousand s of people.

That is if us 'mere mortals' are allowed to have an opinion which does not echo as nicely within your ears.

Personally the majority of so called 'good' players that this one meets are very very quick to run off to whatever side gives them the chance for easy AP.

In fact this one can think of only three guilds whomever didn't do that whil squealing about how 'skilled' they were. The last of them went on hiatus after the closure of the last vivec campaign. They smply got tired of the scrubs resorting to the very kind of loathsome tactics faction lock has put a damper on.

This one also encountered folks from a guild that likes to claim to be 'good' today. However those 'good' players were huddling in the middle of a fifteen man pile that took a bit of time to wipe out a mere five man PUG.

Which also means they made a conscious choice to join up with the side that's been very honest in its decision to destroy all the campaigns....

Gotta love those fair weather PVPers eh?

If by “fair weather” you mean playing the underpopulated faction, then yes?

Telel you never cease to disappoint. My favorite thing about your stream is that I don’t have to wonder if you’re playing a character.. you actually believe the things you say and type out.

The best bit I love about Telel is that he thinks a disorganised social guild of players from 3 factions are this big Illuminati controlling the ebb and flow of pvp. He's been munching on too much skooma.

Man we're too [snip] lazy to do all that LOL

Don't tell Fairly, he'll go mad with power!

I'm too busy staring at Tony the Tiger in Rimmen to pvp atm.

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Derra · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

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Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Look - i´m not against faction lock. If i could chose to have all my chars fight for one faction i wouldn´t post.

What i´m against is being actively encouraged to roll chars on multiple factions for years and then have ZOS stick me the finger and tell me that i can´t play half of those chars anymore with only one active campaign during daytime.

Edit: To clarify: ZOS introduced low population bonuses and buffed them multiple times. I´ve rolled chars on the two factions that got low pop bonuses frequently to try to even out populations (and get those bonuses).

Telel · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

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Thogard wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

This one thinks that a sample size bigger than one's fingers is required before determining what is and isn't good for thousand s of people.

That is if us 'mere mortals' are allowed to have an opinion which does not echo as nicely within your ears.

Personally the majority of so called 'good' players that this one meets are very very quick to run off to whatever side gives them the chance for easy AP.

In fact this one can think of only three guilds whomever didn't do that whil squealing about how 'skilled' they were. The last of them went on hiatus after the closure of the last vivec campaign. They smply got tired of the scrubs resorting to the very kind of loathsome tactics faction lock has put a damper on.

This one also encountered folks from a guild that likes to claim to be 'good' today. However those 'good' players were huddling in the middle of a fifteen man pile that took a bit of time to wipe out a mere five man PUG.

Which also means they made a conscious choice to join up with the side that's been very honest in its decision to destroy all the campaigns....

Gotta love those fair weather PVPers eh?

If by “fair weather” you mean playing the underpopulated faction, then yes?

Telel you never cease to disappoint. My favorite thing about your stream is that I don’t have to wonder if you’re playing a character.. you actually believe the things you say and type out.

The best bit I love about Telel is that he thinks a disorganised social guild of players from 3 factions are this big Illuminati controlling the ebb and flow of pvp. He's been munching on too much skooma.

This one finds your ability to peer into this one's mind and read his thoughts to be....

Very very much nonexistent as you are very clearly wrong. They suggest you stop trying. Mostly because this one is tired of starring in your fan fiction. Your creepy, creepy fan fiction.

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

Just find it odd that you can see threads asking why EP is so populated and hear it in game over the years but suddenly when faction lock is reintroduced it’s some big conspiracy. You guys wanted people to be loyal and they chose their main alliance.

Right now most of my characters are EP and most of the people I know are EP. However, my current favorite character is on Ad, problem is I only have 1 AD, so I’d be stuck to using that one character. On DC I have two but really one because I don’t like magblade in open world anymore so that leaves me with just my stam sorc. So even though I don’t play for a single alliance anymore it’ll make the most sense to home the faction that I have the most characters on in a faction locked campaign.

If they wanted to introduce faction lock after this long they should’ve removed alliance from character choice. Also another thing, if the problem “fixes” itself by people joining another faction after each campaign, that’s not faction loyalty. It’ll only prove faction locks shouldn’t be a thing and you indeed need players to swap alliances for the betterment of the campaign.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Just find it odd that you can see threads asking why EP is so populated and hear it in game over the years but suddenly when faction lock is reintroduced it’s some big conspiracy. You guys wanted people to be loyal and they chose their main alliance

So, what you are suggesting is that everyone who played multiple factions was really an EP at heart. And THAT notion seems more plausible to you?

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

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CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Just find it odd that you can see threads asking why EP is so populated and hear it in game over the years but suddenly when faction lock is reintroduced it’s some big conspiracy. You guys wanted people to be loyal and they chose their main alliance

So, what you are suggesting is that everyone who played multiple factions was really an EP at heart. And THAT notion seems more plausible to you?

If the majority of pvp players are EP yes it would make the most sense that they’d go back to the alliance they have the most characters on. I don’t see why that is rocket science.

Most players don’t even use the forums. You really think players organized a whole rebellion against faction lock ? You’re giving away way too much credit to something that’s been inherently disorganized.

ThornJagger · May 2019

I don't see a mandatory faction lock being needed. If you feel strongly about it, there are Loyalist Guilds in place for that.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

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You really think players organized a whole rebellion against faction lock ? You’re giving away way too much credit to something that’s been inherently disorganized.

No organization about it. They came on the forums and predicted it would happen; now they are taking actions to make sure their predictions come true.

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

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CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You really think players organized a whole rebellion against faction lock ? You’re giving away way too much credit to something that’s been inherently disorganized.

No organization about it. They came on the forums and predicted it would happen; now they are taking actions to make sure their predictions come true.

It’s just the fact you can’t accept that you’re wrong and was wrong, it’s okay to be wrong. The Fallout slogan is “War never changes” it’s no different with ESO. People tried to tell you what would happen because what already happened and continued to happen; you for whatever reason thought it would be different.

Cyrodiil will be Cyrodiil. One faction ends up dominating, people will play the 30 day and there will always be trolls. It’s that simple.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

It’s just the fact you can’t accept that you’re wrong and was wrong, it’s okay to be wrong.

Thanks. I'm glad to know it's OK with you.

Wait... what was I wrong about?

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cyrodiil will be Cyrodiil. One faction ends up dominating, people will play the 30 day and there will always be trolls. It’s that simple.

Ahhh, the old "Can't win, don't try" argument. Let me know when you have something worth discussing.

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

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CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

It’s just the fact you can’t accept that you’re wrong and was wrong, it’s okay to be wrong.

Thanks. I'm glad to know it's OK with you.

Wait... what was I wrong about?
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CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cyrodiil will be Cyrodiil. One faction ends up dominating, people will play the 30 day and there will always be trolls. It’s that simple.

Ahhh, the old "Can't win, don't try" argument. Let me know when you have something worth discussing.

Okay.

ShenaniganSquad · May 2019

You know what would fix all of it..... Zos not charging for any race any alliance ... make that free, stop charging people to play their fav combination... that would show us who people prefer to play for ... but that aint gonna happen so not much you can do about it... plenty of new people to recruit, guilds need to get out there and post those recruitment adds

snowmanflvb14_ESO · May 2019

Thogard wrote: »

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bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

As does GOA. By the amount of pvp going on it also looks like the majority of the population on the old Sotha and Vivic servers are enjoying the faction locks.

Kadoin · May 2019

snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »

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Thogard wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atm it looks like i´m rather going to unsub than making this decision bc it´s the only way how i can show zos how much i disagree with their decision.

I am OK with that. People who disagree with faction lock don't understand the game anyway.

Really? Because every good player I’ve talked to is against faction lock.

And by good I mean good at PvP: either capable of winning even sided fights, capable of fighting outnumbered, participating in high MMR BGs, competitive at dueling, 1vXers, or good at organized large scale (ball groups).

All that’s left are zerg surfers and casuals - neither of which have any impact on the outcome of the alliance war.

Well I take that back. AotP has a significant impact on the alliance war and they’re faction loyalists.

As does GOA. By the amount of pvp going on it also looks like the majority of the population on the old Sotha and Vivic servers are enjoying the faction locks.

Or they're just playing there because there is no where else.