The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

Joy_Division

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I just have to laugh how some "faction loyalists" think they're better people and superior gamers, whereas "faction hoppers" have done nothing but grief. Of the all the most disgusting, banable, hateful tells I have ever got playing this game, 90% of them were from diehard "faction loyalists."

So, you think harsh language is somehow more reprehensible than actual cheating?

And another lock opponent flames himself out.

Yes, I think messaging someone homophobic slurs and to get cancer and die is worse than telling their AD friends that EP is heading for the Alessia front door. A lot more. It's not even a contest.

Also "faction loyalists" cheat. Keep deluding yourself that you belong to a group of better people if that makes you feel better about yourself or something..

bulbousb16_ESO

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes, I think messaging someone homophobic slurs and to get cancer and die is worse than telling their AD friends that EP is heading for the Alessia front door. A lot more. It's not even a contest.

Even picking the most egregious example of insults and the most innocuous example of cheating STILL doesn't win you the point. If you consider words to be more of an affront than actions, then you have some growing up to do. Sticks and stones...

Miriel

Joy_Division wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I just have to laugh how some "faction loyalists" think they're better people and superior gamers, whereas "faction hoppers" have done nothing but grief. Of the all the most disgusting, banable, hateful tells I have ever got playing this game, 90% of them were from diehard "faction loyalists."

So, you think harsh language is somehow more reprehensible than actual cheating?

And another lock opponent flames himself out.

Yes, I think messaging someone homophobic slurs and to get cancer and die is worse than telling their AD friends that EP is heading for the Alessia front door. A lot more. It's not even a contest.

Also "faction loyalists" cheat. Keep deluding yourself that you belong to a group of better people if that makes you feel better about yourself or something..

And you will still be able to play on a server with faction hopping... And we can play on a server where you dont have it...

Glory

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes, I think messaging someone homophobic slurs and to get cancer and die is worse than telling their AD friends that EP is heading for the Alessia front door. A lot more. It's not even a contest.

Even picking the most egregious example of insults and the most innocuous example of cheating STILL doesn't win you the point. If you consider words to be more of an affront than actions, then you have some growing up to do. Sticks and stones...

I had a response, but I'll just say wow.

pzschrek

God bless you for trying, Joy. They’ll never listen to reason.

If they did, they wouldn’t prioritize their tinfoil hat theories as harder evidence than testimony from someone who literally speaks to the devs in person as a matter of routine.

Tells me all I need to know about who is reasonable and who is a moron.

Mr_Walker

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

As people keep saying, and as other people keep not listening, outside of prime time, on Xbox, every other campaign is dead.

Yes, people keep SAYING this, but no one actually has anything to back that claim up.

Back what claim up? That outside of primetime every other campaign than Vivec is dead? How many people have to tell you?

Ahtu

It will be interesting to see how the lock affects faction population levels in Vivec, if at all. It's very possible that one faction would be sacrificed to the other two factions and absorbed completely. This could spell the end of The Three Banners War and we may see a dominant faction emerge like when the game first released with locks in place.

Elong

Ahtu wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the lock affects faction population levels in Vivec, if at all. It's very possible that one faction would be sacrificed to the other two factions and absorbed completely. This could spell the end of The Three Banners War and we may see a dominant faction emerge like when the game first released with locks in place.

And that would be terrible for pvp mate. Just terrible.

Miriel

We will see what happens, it probably take alittle time, but im fairly certain that we will find the right balance, as the campaigns gets played out, just like it did along time ago...

Whats utterly and totally terrible is the faction hopping thats been a total disaster for pvp, in my opinion... being able to log out, and change sides in matter of minutes is probably the most stupid of stupid choises ever made in the history of competition...

I can see it before me in dota, one side is loosing, so they leave their side and yoin the winning side, so they can get the loot, yes thats so brilliantly stupid !

Haashhtaag

Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.

Irylia

Can we get faction swap tokens?
Crown item listed next to race/name change.
I’d like to move some characters over to the one faction I’ll be forced to stay in if I want to pvp viv/sotha.

Agrippa_Invisus

Elong wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the lock affects faction population levels in Vivec, if at all. It's very possible that one faction would be sacrificed to the other two factions and absorbed completely. This could spell the end of The Three Banners War and we may see a dominant faction emerge like when the game first released with locks in place.

And that would be terrible for pvp mate. Just terrible.

Shows the mentality of those in favor of the lock that they seem to think there's a way to "win" a perpetual online war that's designed to have no ending.

All things being equal, there should be an even(ish) chance of any faction winning a particular month.

As much as it amuses the everloving heck out of me to see DC buried in last place month to month on a micro level, on a macro level it is fairly damaging to the game. DC population is already fairly depressed on Vivec while they run rampant on Sotha.

That makes it so people who are not DC don't want to play on Sotha, while DC doesn't want to play on Vivec. Exacerbating that so that one faction is in near constant control leads to server death like what happened to Trueflame back in the height of the Havoc days when red was utterly dominant.

In other games, like Shadowbane, they would have to shut down whole server shards when one faction overwhelmed the others as no one, not even the "winners" would play on that server as there was nothing to do.

The fight needs to remain even, and each faction needs to have a real chance of winning to retain the drive to actually compete.

bulbousb16_ESO

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Back what claim up? That outside of primetime every other campaign than Vivec is dead? How many people have to tell you?

Considering the few people who have been saying this have otherwise been full of baloney, you will forgive me if I don't accept their word for it. How about a screenshot of the population levels proving it?

CatchMeTrolling

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Back what claim up? That outside of primetime every other campaign than Vivec is dead? How many people have to tell you?

Considering the few people who have been saying this have otherwise been full of baloney, you will forgive me if I don't accept their word for it. How about a screenshot of the population levels proving it?

Multiple people have done this and I did it yesterday, you ignored it because you don’t care about facts.

Glory

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the lock affects faction population levels in Vivec, if at all. It's very possible that one faction would be sacrificed to the other two factions and absorbed completely. This could spell the end of The Three Banners War and we may see a dominant faction emerge like when the game first released with locks in place.

And that would be terrible for pvp mate. Just terrible.

Shows the mentality of those in favor of the lock that they seem to think there's a way to "win" a perpetual online war that's designed to have no ending.

All things being equal, there should be an even(ish) chance of any faction winning a particular month.

As much as it amuses the everloving heck out of me to see DC buried in last place month to month on a micro level, on a macro level it is fairly damaging to the game. DC population is already fairly depressed on Vivec while they run rampant on Sotha.

That makes it so people who are not DC don't want to play on Sotha, while DC doesn't want to play on Vivec. Exacerbating that so that one faction is in near constant control leads to server death like what happened to Trueflame back in the height of the Havoc days when red was utterly dominant.

In other games, like Shadowbane, they would have to shut down whole server shards when one faction overwhelmed the others as no one, not even the "winners" would play on that server as there was nothing to do.

The fight needs to remain even, and each faction needs to have a real chance of winning to retain the drive to actually compete.

I'm sure you and many others remember how many PvP servers we used to have. Now we have 2. Don't even have to look at other games to understand how imbalance has destroyed servers.

jaws343

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Back what claim up? That outside of primetime every other campaign than Vivec is dead? How many people have to tell you?

Considering the few people who have been saying this have otherwise been full of baloney, you will forgive me if I don't accept their word for it. How about a screenshot of the population levels proving it?

The faction lock argument proves this repeatedly.

The argument is always:

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Miriel wrote: »

being able to log out, and change sides in matter of minutes is probably the most stupid of stupid choises ever made in the history of competition...

Literally, the only way to be able to log out and log back into a different faction in minutes is if the population is below the caps. Because if you are Pop Capped, the wait time could be anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour+ to just swap.

So yeah, the campaigns are dead if you are just faction swapping willy nilly at the drop of a hat.

frozywozy

Ahtu wrote: »

Last night in Vivec on PC NA a certain well-know faction hopper and his group put down friendly attacker oils on the ground at the last Emperor keep to prevent a friend in my guild from becoming Emperor right before the campaign was reset. The only reason they would do such a thing is so that EP would not have Emperor when they relog into one of the other factions after the reset. Faction locks would prevent this from happening in the first place and I for one can't wait for them to be implemented next month.

Faction locks put aside, I will have to agree with you on this one. This has happened to me on several occasions and we sent massive amount of reports and clips of the offenders to ZOS. Don't hesitate to do the same. The more reports and the more chances ZOS will take it seriously and ban the offenders. This is simply unacceptable and childish, whoever the person is.

Dutchessx

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

As much as it amuses the everloving heck out of me to see DC buried in last place month to month on a micro level, on a macro level it is fairly damaging to the game. DC population is already fairly depressed on Vivec while they run rampant on Sotha.

That makes it so people who are not DC don't want to play on Sotha, while DC doesn't want to play on Vivec. Exacerbating that so that one faction is in near constant control leads to server death like what happened to Trueflame back in the height of the Havoc days when red was utterly dominant.

In other games, like Shadowbane, they would have to shut down whole server shards when one faction overwhelmed the others as no one, not even the "winners" would play on that server as there was nothing to do.

The fight needs to remain even, and each faction needs to have a real chance of winning to retain the drive to actually compete.

I don’t know about that @Agrippa_Invisus over the past 2 -3 cycles, I log in after work and see a red map. It seems only recently that the DC population is rebounding on Sotha. There were many nights I would log in & there would be nothing to do on EP unless I wanted to zerg down those in other factions trying to take a resource or a tri-keep.

bulbousb16_ESO

jaws343 wrote: »

Literally, the only way to be able to log out and log back into a different faction in minutes is if the population is below the caps...So yeah, the campaigns are dead if you are just faction swapping willy nilly at the drop of a hat.

Are you seriously telling me that you math goes CAP -1 = "DEAD"? Once again, the mentality of those opposed to faction lock shines through.

Metafae

Let's make just one new campaign that is faction locked and in all other ways is exactly the same as the most popular server, but not remove the current most popular server, this way those people who complain about faction lock can now go play on a server that has it.

Response: "I won't play on that new faction lock server because no one plays on it, they're all still in the old one"

This is because people don't want faction lock....

BAHAHA!

Miriel

Metafae wrote: »

Let's make just one new campaign that is faction locked and in all other ways is exactly the same as the most popular server, but not remove the current most popular server, this way those people who complain about faction lock can now go play on a server that has it.

Response: "I won't play on that new faction lock server because no one plays on it, they're all still in the old one"

This is because people don't want faction lock....

BAHAHA!

Thats up to ZOS, they should have the numbers...

Kikke

Metafae wrote: »

Let's make just one new campaign that is faction locked and in all other ways is exactly the same as the most popular server, but not remove the current most popular server, this way those people who complain about faction lock can now go play on a server that has it.

Response: "I won't play on that new faction lock server because no one plays on it, they're all still in the old one"

This is because people don't want faction lock....

BAHAHA!

Sorry, does not work like that. The factionless needs the faction loyal to find their 'good' fights... So they would just have too follow =/

Mr_Walker

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Back what claim up? That outside of primetime every other campaign than Vivec is dead? How many people have to tell you?

Considering the few people who have been saying this have otherwise been full of baloney, you will forgive me if I don't accept their word for it. How about a screenshot of the population levels proving it?

If you want me to do work for you, I'll need to send you an invoice. Or you could stay up late and see it for yourself. Or you could ask any of the OCE XNA players.

I was with an 8-10 man group on XNA Sotha a few months back that painted the map in about 3 hours. The miracle of that? That there were 8-10 players on....

You can choose to deny it all you like. Reality doesn't change.

bulbousb16_ESO

Mr_Walker wrote: »

If you want me to do work for you, I'll need to send you an invoice. Or you could stay up late and see it for yourself. Or you could ask any of the OCE XNA players.

There is a difference between "outside prime time" and the dead of night for the timezone of the server. It is absurd to plan capacity based around the absolute lowest population time on the server. But nice try. You guys are really grasping at straws now.

Miriel

Mr_Walker wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Back what claim up? That outside of primetime every other campaign than Vivec is dead? How many people have to tell you?

Considering the few people who have been saying this have otherwise been full of baloney, you will forgive me if I don't accept their word for it. How about a screenshot of the population levels proving it?

If you want me to do work for you, I'll need to send you an invoice. Or you could stay up late and see it for yourself. Or you could ask any of the OCE XNA players.

I was with an 8-10 man group on XNA Sotha a few months back that painted the map in about 3 hours. The miracle of that? That there were 8-10 players on....

You can choose to deny it all you like. Reality doesn't change.

The loss of players have happened while we had faction hoppers, that is a undeniable fact...

Now as i said several times, if you dont want to play with faction locks you have that option, as off your post, you seem to enjoy going and flipping empty servers as is...

Haashhtaag

frozywozy wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Last night in Vivec on PC NA a certain well-know faction hopper and his group put down friendly attacker oils on the ground at the last Emperor keep to prevent a friend in my guild from becoming Emperor right before the campaign was reset. The only reason they would do such a thing is so that EP would not have Emperor when they relog into one of the other factions after the reset. Faction locks would prevent this from happening in the first place and I for one can't wait for them to be implemented next month.

Faction locks put aside, I will have to agree with you on this one. This has happened to me on several occasions and we sent massive amount of reports and clips of the offenders to ZOS. Don't hesitate to do the same. The more reports and the more chances ZOS will take it seriously and ban the offenders. This is simply unacceptable and childish, whoever the person is.

Frozen, you know just as well as anyone that kind of stuff happened with factions locks in place as well.

Haashhtaag

Dutchessx wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

As much as it amuses the everloving heck out of me to see DC buried in last place month to month on a micro level, on a macro level it is fairly damaging to the game. DC population is already fairly depressed on Vivec while they run rampant on Sotha.

That makes it so people who are not DC don't want to play on Sotha, while DC doesn't want to play on Vivec. Exacerbating that so that one faction is in near constant control leads to server death like what happened to Trueflame back in the height of the Havoc days when red was utterly dominant.

In other games, like Shadowbane, they would have to shut down whole server shards when one faction overwhelmed the others as no one, not even the "winners" would play on that server as there was nothing to do.

The fight needs to remain even, and each faction needs to have a real chance of winning to retain the drive to actually compete.

I don’t know about that @Agrippa_Invisus over the past 2 -3 cycles, I log in after work and see a red map. It seems only recently that the DC population is rebounding on Sotha. There were many nights I would log in & there would be nothing to do on EP unless I wanted to zerg down those in other factions trying to take a resource or a tri-keep.

I think it’s rebounding in sotha due to the larger AD/EP forces in Vivec. I see this becoming a larger problem in Vivec when locks come into place. I don’t think DC will have the numbers to compete over the course of the 30 day.

frozywozy

Haashhtaag wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Last night in Vivec on PC NA a certain well-know faction hopper and his group put down friendly attacker oils on the ground at the last Emperor keep to prevent a friend in my guild from becoming Emperor right before the campaign was reset. The only reason they would do such a thing is so that EP would not have Emperor when they relog into one of the other factions after the reset. Faction locks would prevent this from happening in the first place and I for one can't wait for them to be implemented next month.

Faction locks put aside, I will have to agree with you on this one. This has happened to me on several occasions and we sent massive amount of reports and clips of the offenders to ZOS. Don't hesitate to do the same. The more reports and the more chances ZOS will take it seriously and ban the offenders. This is simply unacceptable and childish, whoever the person is.

Frozen, you know just as well as anyone that kind of stuff happened with factions locks in place as well.

this is exactly why I started my sentence saying "Faction locks put aside".
I guess I should have said put apart maybe? Language barrier. x.x

Ahtu

Last night a well-known AD character logged into his EP character and used Frozen Retreat to pull EP players off Alessia Bridge that were using synergies. It's not the first time I've seen players do this. This is yet another example of why we need faction locks.

jaws343

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Literally, the only way to be able to log out and log back into a different faction in minutes is if the population is below the caps...So yeah, the campaigns are dead if you are just faction swapping willy nilly at the drop of a hat.

Are you seriously telling me that you math goes CAP -1 = "DEAD"? Once again, the mentality of those opposed to faction lock shines through.

Yes, I would say if the campaign you are playing in is never pop-capped and people are able to swap at will (which is what pro-lock people seem to be parroting), the campaign is dead, or, at the least, unhealthy because not enough people are around to fill the server. Faction locks are only going to work to drive that population count down, but I guess you will all get your PVDoor and PVGate dreams fulfilled.

You can challenge my mentality all you want, but I'll rest easy knowing that I don't make up mass conspiracy to get my way in a video game.