Redguard sustain is ruining overall PvE stamina sustain

Bigevilpeter

Problem is Redguard sustain is way better than any other stamina race + ofc th highest max stamina passive and with sustain being a major issue in PvE Redguards have become almost a must if you want to reliable play. Also when ZoS balances stamina sustain Redguards oversustain so they have to tone it down making it harder on the other races.

Stamina races are pretty cool and has a lot of options like Woodelf, Khajiht, Orc, Nord, Imperial but without the sustain endgame players just go to Redguard.

The solution is to either make sustain not an issue for other races and let Redguard over sustain or to nerf Redguard sustain and adjust overall sustain accordingly.

susmitds

Absolutely agree. Almost every PvE DPS build is based on Redguard sustain. Someone made a comparison to prove that Redguard sustain lets them stay in the fight for 4x the time compared to other races.

Sparr0w

Yeah I had to change from Khajiit to Redguard to sustain, either that or run dubious & a regen glyph, which would have been a massive dps loss.

weedgenius

NERF REDGUARDS!!!! #NERFMIRE2018

LiquidSchwartz

sad but true
Stam literally is unplayable on anything other than redguard if you want to compete

jlmurra2

The same is true of Argonians for tank builds. Redguard is almost always the recommended race for almost all stamina builds, and Argonian is almost always the recommended race for almost all tank builds.

The other stamina focused races need a buff to compete with Redguard, and the other tank focused races need a buff to compete with Argonian.

iAmLife

Ahahaha guessing sorcs here are coming out with nerf redguard while at the same time stamina users coming out with nerf sorc 'Ive never used shield' comedians everywhere I tell ya ahahah

MooseKnuckles88

Just what the doctor ordered, more nerfs!

SydneyGrey

Yes, let's nerf everything and make the entire game unplayable.

SHADOW2KK

Less nerfing, more adapting

Scarpion

They nerfed sustain across the board in Morrowind. Redguard in lore has the adrenaline rush passive, they are SUPPOSED to have more sustain. If ZOS did not kill PVE sustain in Morrowind, other stamina races would be viable, such as Khajiit. Sustain is so bad at the moment (except on both nightblades) that players are forced to go Redguard.

ZOS should not nerf Redguard, or they are going against the lore. They need to buff other sources of sustain so other classes can sustain and compete with Redguard.

I like many players are tired of nerfs, ZOS needs to start buffing, otherwise everything will become unplayable eventually.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Next patch, you with be able to run an infused absorb stamina glyph on your bow bar and lose much less DPS and have comparable Stam return to the redgaurd passive. Like 400 DPS difference between
a poison enchant and the new absorb stamina enchantment. And it is physical damage, so more chance to proc implosion on a sorc.

OrphanHelgen

It's ok, they nerf vicious ophidian. All good, everything is balanced now

ChunkyCat

Some men just want to see the world nerfed.

Raammzzaa

OMG! Another thread callling for nerfs... smh

John_Falstaff

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO , and redguards would still be meta, because with switch to stamina absorb glyph they'll just move to blue food and stay ahead. But granted, I welcome the change just the same, it would give me a chance to sustain a more engaging light attack rotation with absorb + dubious, so that's - hopefully - some qualitative jump for non-redguards.

Proper way would be to raise whole stamina sustain to Redguard level, but after nerfs in Morrowind and ZOS' maniacal desire to make everyone make sacrifices and build for sustain if they want more fluid gameplay... not expecting them to backpedal on that.

StamWhipCultist

have zero redguards on all accounts.
And idgaf about their superior sustain.
Would rather roll an orc or khajiit for PvP/PvE anyday.

John_Falstaff

@StamWhipCultist , I play khajiit stam DK (on principle, I'm not going to move to different race), but sustain hurts. Redguards have +350 equivalent regen, it's like two regen glyphs. For free. It really matters if one wants to properly sustain light attack rotation with spammable like Crushing Weapon.

Androconium

Get less whiney players.

StamWhipCultist

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@StamWhipCultist , I play khajiit stam DK (on principle, I'm not going to move to different race), but sustain hurts. Redguards have +350 equivalent regen, it's like two regen glyphs. For free. It really matters if one wants to properly sustain light attack rotation with spammable like Crushing Weapon.

Its time for zos to finaly give Khajiit 6% max stamina bonus.

Tan9oSuccka

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Less nerfing, more adapting

I kind of chuckle when I see replies like this.

Touts adapting, L2P etc but Mains a Redguard Stam Blade.

ruengdet2515

Zos nerf - Dev nerf - Game nerf - Class nerf - Race nerf - Nane nerf

Skill nerf - Weapon nerf - Armor nerf - Item nerf - Monster nerf - Group nerf - Guild Nerf - Player nerf
...

All nerf
...
NERF Online

StamWhipCultist

jlmurra2

"Non-expanding recreational foam". Just wanted to make certain everyone knew that.

Also, I called for no nerfs, only buffs. Buffs usually feel better.

Shezzarrine

I don't care that redguards will give me more damage because of the sustain, I care about the sustain because being forced to heavy attack a lot is just not fun. Sustain needs to get better across the board even if it's at the expense of damage because heavy attacks are not fun gameplay

John_Falstaff

Buffs are definitely better. Besides, buffing other stamina races' sustain won't lead to power creep, because power is already there... it just requires players to forgo their favorite race if they want to be on top.

StamWhipCultist

jlmurra2 wrote: »

"Non-expanding recreational foam". Just wanted to make certain everyone knew that.

Also, I called for no nerfs, only buffs. Buffs usually feel better.

so, they take away our weapons and replace them with foam.

Zos wants us to larp or what?

MLGProPlayer

I like Redguards, but it sucks that they're the only viable stamina race.

On the magicka side, Altmer and Dunmer are equally viable and Breton isn't far behind.

Uviryth

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Cloudless

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Some men just want to see the world nerfed.

On the other hand, this is how whoever handles race and class balance at ZOS must look like:

jlmurra2

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I like Redguards, but it sucks that they're the only viable stamina race.

On the magicka side, Altmer and Dunmer are equally viable and Breton isn't far behind.

If you are not using elemental magicka, and casting rapidly Breton can preform better than both Altmer, and Dunmer.