Is cheat engine back on the rise?

rfennell_ESO

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

Yeah, the video mentioned (just search for it) is pretty incriminating.

I missed the "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes thing, how so?

Thogard

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

Yeah, the video mentioned (just search for it) is pretty incriminating.

I missed the "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes thing, how so?

I had said it wasn’t possible / caused by lag. I was wrong.

Cheat engine could theoretically only modify client-side variables. Most variables are now stored server side, but your character’s positioning is still client side (hence why lagging characters seem to teleport as the server synchronizes with the character’s client... on that players end they are moving smoothly)

Targeting, range, and LOS checks are also still client side

Solariken

Thogard wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

Yeah, the video mentioned (just search for it) is pretty incriminating.

I missed the "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes thing, how so?

Targeting, range, and LOS checks are also still client side

Yep, I've encountered plenty of clowns who are nigh untargetable within skill range in full line of sight. You place your reticle on them and try to fire skills but nothing happens. This is actually the strongest personal anecdotal evidence I have that leads me to believe CE is still at large in ESO.

Thogard

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

Yeah, the video mentioned (just search for it) is pretty incriminating.

I missed the "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes thing, how so?

Targeting, range, and LOS checks are also still client side

Yep, I've encountered plenty of clowns who are nigh untargetable within skill range in full line of sight. You place your reticle on them and try to fire skills but nothing happens. This is actually the strongest personal anecdotal evidence I have that leads me to believe CE is still at large in ESO.

No I mean it’s client side for the attacker, not the defender. There’s no way they would be able to modify their hit box on your screen.

They could theoretically use this to attack people through walls or from farther away than intended, but if would be an offensive exploit, not a defensive one, and I don’t think it’d be feasible to mess with opponents hit boxes because you’d have to modify the hack every time someone new entered your clip range.

Universe

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

Yeah, the video mentioned (just search for it) is pretty incriminating.

I missed the "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes thing, how so?

Targeting, range, and LOS checks are also still client side

Yep, I've encountered plenty of clowns who are nigh untargetable within skill range in full line of sight. You place your reticle on them and try to fire skills but nothing happens. This is actually the strongest personal anecdotal evidence I have that leads me to believe CE is still at large in ESO.

Many players claim that they can't target some players, no matter what they do.
They can only use AOE to damage them.
It is probably an exploit/cheating of some sort.

Solariken

Thogard wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

Yeah, the video mentioned (just search for it) is pretty incriminating.

I missed the "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes thing, how so?

Targeting, range, and LOS checks are also still client side

Yep, I've encountered plenty of clowns who are nigh untargetable within skill range in full line of sight. You place your reticle on them and try to fire skills but nothing happens. This is actually the strongest personal anecdotal evidence I have that leads me to believe CE is still at large in ESO.

No I mean it’s client side for the attacker, not the defender. There’s no way they would be able to modify their hit box on your screen.

They could theoretically use this to attack people through walls or from farther away than intended, but if would be an offensive exploit, not a defensive one, and I don’t think it’d be feasible to mess with opponents hit boxes because you’d have to modify the hack every time someone new entered your clip range.

Yeah but if they can monkey with their own position, they could theoretically oscillate position such that they would move in and out of a hitbox several times a second, meaning my targeting would sometimes work and other times not, depending on what point I input the skill command. Am I off base on this?

Thogard

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

Yeah, the video mentioned (just search for it) is pretty incriminating.

I missed the "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes thing, how so?

Targeting, range, and LOS checks are also still client side

Yep, I've encountered plenty of clowns who are nigh untargetable within skill range in full line of sight. You place your reticle on them and try to fire skills but nothing happens. This is actually the strongest personal anecdotal evidence I have that leads me to believe CE is still at large in ESO.

No I mean it’s client side for the attacker, not the defender. There’s no way they would be able to modify their hit box on your screen.

They could theoretically use this to attack people through walls or from farther away than intended, but if would be an offensive exploit, not a defensive one, and I don’t think it’d be feasible to mess with opponents hit boxes because you’d have to modify the hack every time someone new entered your clip range.

Yeah but if they can monkey with their own position, they could theoretically oscillate position such that they would move in and out of a hitbox several times a second, meaning my targeting would sometimes work and other times not, depending on what point I input the skill command. Am I off base on this?

I see what you’re saying. Theoretically, yes... but most PvPers, including myself, do that intentionally just by spamming the A and D key back to back.

The server has coding in place to kick people who violate the game’s speed limits. A lot of magdens used to get auto-booted by this when they were vining behind someone who was mounted. So I think that doing what you’re describing could trigger that.

It’d also be hard to differentiate that from someone just intentionally doing it and lagging a little.

But technically yeah, it could be possible since it’s client-side.

f047ys3v3n

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

Ummm, yes, cheat engine is more prevalent now than it has ever been before. Even if you cannot just set your stats too whatever you want and drop metiors every skill you used to, you can still set every stat to the highest value possible if you had built to just that stat and were fully buffed and stacked. This makes you a basically invulnerable tank running around like your doing damage with 20x stacks of siroria, procked kenna, procked moondancer, full buffs, full pen, and 60k magica all the time. You do basically double the damage. Here is a shot of a major guild lead who is a rank 50 hitting me though all my armor with a 6k swallow soul. That is pretty impressive for somebody who is also so tanky that any shots on them are pretty much pin pricks.



It actually seems rarer to find individuals over level 30 doing plausible combinations of damage / tankieness / sustain than it is to find ones that are clearly cheating. This assessment is certainly influenced by how willing CE users are to solo into groups though and how those not on the juice probably all sort of blend together by rolling over you in a group. I mean, I am totally ignoring the plausible damage from the two other high ranking players with the cheater in the death recap. Still, You cannot PVP for more than a few min without someone clearly on the juice blowing up a whole group of you. CE dominates PVP not just in that you will be dominated by it but also in that nothing gets accomplished by individuals who are without as a decently speced CE user is about 4x as powerful as anybody else. Every fight turns on CE users.

Here is another fun example.



This chap no-clipped though the keep wall mid siege (a newly popular thing to do) and is now prancing around upstairs killing the counter siege. At one point he took on 6 counter siegers at the same time and killed one. He proved so invulnerable that all but the guy in the screenshot either died or gave up and ran away from the god run amuck. The keep was taken solely do to the CE guys actions by the way. Frankly, this is the best CE "build" I have ever seen. I should also note that the CE part of your build is all that really matters. Set choice and CP allocation are pretty small potatoes. These things are only talked about so much to try to wag the dog on CE use. No current BIS set is really that much better over an also ran.

I should mention that PVP is not the only home of CE. If it wasn't for CE I don't think you would see much in the way of hard mode completes. CE yields about 2x the damage of no CE in PVE and allows you to be tanky enough to survive some of the dicier ambient damages encountered. It is vital for the better PVE groups because, since ZOS no longer play tests this stuff themselves and instead basically outsources it to you know who, it is scaled to CE from day one without them realizing it.

It is really a weird world ZOS has made where your real build is your CE settings, it underlays most success in PVP and PVE, and most folks using it try to deny that it is a thing. Even stranger, ZOS seems happy to participate in these illusions and pretend that it is player skill and gearing causing these huge disparities. ZOS even runs around trying to do things like nerf sustain and lower DPS when the players with the big sustain and DPS are choosing their own numbers. What a waste of time. If they spent 1/10th of the time they spend trying to balance while ignoring CE just writing code to detect it they would have a more balanced game without having to change one skill. But then, the wobbler is incompetent.

Sharee

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

Shade has a duration of 15 seconds. The guy jumps off the wall, and then ports back up after 55 seconds. That was no shade.

Universe

It can certainly explain why I see so many Flawless Conquerors running around Tamriel lately.
If such cheating isn't prevented immediately it cheapens all hard to complete achievements.

I do hope that you will respond soon @ZOS_GinaBruno
There should be a retroactive disciplinary action so players who have cheated before will get punished.

Lexxypwns

@Thogard that could be a legit shade port imo. It doesn’t teleport you to the precise location but rather near it. I’ve often had it do unintentional things like that. However, I can’t say for certain that’s what a shade port on a tab targeted enemy looks.

If it is a legit shade port he’s still knowingly exploiting it to cause unintended game mechanics though.

Marabornwingrion

ZOS already closed "Cheating and Exploits" megathread which was up for a very long time, I won't be surprised if they close this one as well for some bs reason

Universe

Astrid_V wrote: »

ZOS already closed "Cheating and Exploits" megathread which was up for a very long time, I won't be surprised if they close this one as well for some bs reason

Hopefully, they will not close this discussion.
As long as enough forum members will remain civil, constructive and on topic there will be no reason for closing this discussion.

MetalHead4x4

Its funny you mention Swallow Soul I complained some time ago cause I thought it was ignoring shields but its hits me for 5k-6k consistently. BUT i don't know how many times its hit me with my shield up, and my shield goes bye bye and its also takes my health like it completely removes my shield AND takes my health. I'll have to try and get it on video but its weird. I never remembered having so many issues with destro-resto NB's.

Universe

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

Ummm, yes, cheat engine is more prevalent now than it has ever been before. Even if you cannot just set your stats too whatever you want and drop metiors every skill you used to, you can still set every stat to the highest value possible if you had built to just that stat and were fully buffed and stacked. This makes you a basically invulnerable tank running around like your doing damage with 20x stacks of siroria, procked kenna, procked moondancer, full buffs, full pen, and 60k magica all the time. You do basically double the damage. Here is a shot of a major guild lead who is a rank 50 hitting me though all my armor with a 6k swallow soul. That is pretty impressive for somebody who is also so tanky that any shots on them are pretty much pin pricks.



It actually seems rarer to find individuals over level 30 doing plausible combinations of damage / tankieness / sustain than it is to find ones that are clearly cheating. This assessment is certainly influenced by how willing CE users are to solo into groups though and how those not on the juice probably all sort of blend together by rolling over you in a group. I mean, I am totally ignoring the plausible damage from the two other high ranking players with the cheater in the death recap. Still, You cannot PVP for more than a few min without someone clearly on the juice blowing up a whole group of you. CE dominates PVP not just in that you will be dominated by it but also in that nothing gets accomplished by individuals who are without as a decently speced CE user is about 4x as powerful as anybody else. Every fight turns on CE users.

Here is another fun example.



This chap no-clipped though the keep wall mid siege (a newly popular thing to do) and is now prancing around upstairs killing the counter siege. At one point he took on 6 counter siegers at the same time and killed one. He proved so invulnerable that all but the guy in the screenshot either died or gave up and ran away from the god run amuck. The keep was taken solely do to the CE guys actions by the way. Frankly, this is the best CE "build" I have ever seen. I should also note that the CE part of your build is all that really matters. Set choice and CP allocation are pretty small potatoes. These things are only talked about so much to try to wag the dog on CE use. No current BIS set is really that much better over an also ran.

I should mention that PVP is not the only home of CE. If it wasn't for CE I don't think you would see much in the way of hard mode completes. CE yields about 2x the damage of no CE in PVE and allows you to be tanky enough to survive some of the dicier ambient damages encountered. It is vital for the better PVE groups because, since ZOS no longer play tests this stuff themselves and instead basically outsources it to you know who, it is scaled to CE from day one without them realizing it.

It is really a weird world ZOS has made where your real build is your CE settings, it underlays most success in PVP and PVE, and most folks using it try to deny that it is a thing. Even stranger, ZOS seems happy to participate in these illusions and pretend that it is player skill and gearing causing these huge disparities. ZOS even runs around trying to do things like nerf sustain and lower DPS when the players with the big sustain and DPS are choosing their own numbers. What a waste of time. If they spent 1/10th of the time they spend trying to balance while ignoring CE just writing code to detect it they would have a more balanced game without having to change one skill. But then, the wobbler is incompetent.

The worst part is that some good players are accused of being CE users even though they aren't.
It has reached the point that it is difficult to tell if a player is a cheater or simply a really good player.
There are obvious cases it is possible to tell immediately if someone is cheating(like the guy who was flying/teleporting in Cyrodiil), but there are borderline cases.
I hope that one day there will be much less cheating or no cheating at all(can be near impossible, perfect world ), then the question: " Is he cheating or is he a really good player ?" will be brought up less.

Datthaw

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

What this looks like to me, pure speculation btw but I do main magnb.

The 3rd floor ledge he ends up on at the end of the video, it appears to have an overhang. It's almost like if you get right on the wall the shade bugs and is placed on the overhang.

The first clip of the guy tab targeted going base floor to the rampart is beyond me tho. Idk wtf that was or would be

Lexxypwns

Datthaw wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

What this looks like to me, pure speculation btw but I do main magnb.

The 3rd floor ledge he ends up on at the end of the video, it appears to have an overhang. It's almost like if you get right on the wall the shade bugs and is placed on the overhang.

The first clip of the guy tab targeted going base floor to the rampart is beyond me tho. Idk wtf that was or would be

Could be a similar shadow image bug where it tried to put him just behind his shade and accidentally put him up there.

It could also be cheating though

VirtualElizabeth

So what I have gathered from this thread CE can do the following:

Speed up your character.
Allow you to fly or Teleport to locations not normally accessible such as the guy in the WW CE video

What it can't do:
Create lag
Enhance your personal stats
Create stronger attacks

I am just trying to formulate in mind what it can and cannot do. I hear people throw people under the bus for using CE just by getting beat in Cyro!

Prabooo

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

So what I have gathered from this thread CE can do the following:

Speed up your character.
Allow you to fly or Teleport to locations not normally accessible such as the guy in the WW CE video

What it can't do:
Create lag
Enhance your personal stats
Create stronger attacks

I am just trying to formulate in mind what it can and cannot do. I hear people throw people under the bus for using CE just by getting beat in Cyro!

ehm… no.

It definitely CAN:

Lag other players
Enhance personal stats
Superspeed
Teleport-Levitation


Just google it...

usmguy1234

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

Obligatory I told you so.

VirtualElizabeth

Prabooo wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

So what I have gathered from this thread CE can do the following:

Speed up your character.
Allow you to fly or Teleport to locations not normally accessible such as the guy in the WW CE video

What it can't do:
Create lag
Enhance your personal stats
Create stronger attacks

I am just trying to formulate in mind what it can and cannot do. I hear people throw people under the bus for using CE just by getting beat in Cyro!

ehm… no.

It definitely CAN:

Lag other players
Enhance personal stats
Superspeed
Teleport-Levitation


Just google it...

Yeah I know cheat engine can do the above but I was referring to ESO specifically. Are your stats client side? I figured that would be server side. Plus lagging other players? I thought was debunked because the requires client to client access. Thanks!

VirtualElizabeth

Okay so if you can adjust your stats I want to know what ZOS is doing to address this! @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

This really bothers me.

Thogard

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

So what I have gathered from this thread CE can do the following:

Speed up your character.
Allow you to fly or Teleport to locations not normally accessible such as the guy in the WW CE video

What it can't do:
Create lag
Enhance your personal stats
Create stronger attacks

I am just trying to formulate in mind what it can and cannot do. I hear people throw people under the bus for using CE just by getting beat in Cyro!

This is correct.

And that’s assuming the server wouldn’t auto detect it’s usage. It should.

MetalHead4x4

NOW they will close the thread cause that video tells you where to get CE.

Universe

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

NOW they will close the thread cause that video tells you where to get CE.

They can simply remove the non constructive comments.
There is no need to close a mega discussion due to a post.

The issue with the rise in cheating hasn't resolved yet.

Reverb

You used to be able to use it to enhance your stats. That’s what finally prompted the “crackdown” is some players were so tired of reports being ignored by Zeni that they decided to increase their stats to absurdly inflated amounts that Zeni could no longer turn a blind eye to.

Infinite, instant Ultimate generation, 10k regen on health, mag and stam. 500% speed boost, reduce or remove player location pings (reducing or removing your ability to be targeted by other players), reduce cast and cooldown times.

These were all tracked client side and passed to the server. Additionally, manipulation of these values caused lag for other players, as both the server and non modified clients had to process values which differed from expected.

Reportedly these stats are no longer handled by the client. We know this to be true for Ultimate and stat regen. I suspect it’s not completely true for the other items.

Jaxaxo

Thogard wrote: »

Not gonna lie, that "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video is pretty darn incriminating. I'm having a tough time explaining it.

Going to ask around about it and show it to some NBs i know that are familiar with the mechanics of the shade teleport.

I'll hold off on judgment until i know more, but if I am wrong, i won't be afraid to admit it.
(plz see thogard's "i was wrong" about desync'd snipes)

About shade my friend was able to port through outpost doors once (hardly repetetive) cuz of shade dissapearing and appearing if u get out of range, it sometimes moves a bit in diffrent directions. But most situation u will get stuck under textures. The video thing looks too fishy for me to be the shade bug, especially when he was highlithed in keep.

rfennell_ESO

The problem most people have is understanding what exactly can be manipulated by CE.

Of course there is an issue with anyone actually knowing the answers and providing them, for obvious reasons.

ZOS could be proactive on the issue and address it, so people know what to report and what won't be totally ignored when reporting.

There was once a video on youtube that showed CE in use (it was taken down, probably by ZOS). This was after the changes were made... it showed bogus stats, speeded animation, movement speed. The weirdest thing is that speeding up animations also speeded environmental animations.

Most people just want to be assured that people aren't cheating in the game. A very small number of people want to cheat in the game, and in the past have be very vocal about it not being possible. Generally, you can tell someone is a cheater just by the way they talk in zone. They are very proud of the cheating they do...

Kel

Had players tonight literally disappearing. (Ps4) Right in front of everyone. I would use crit rush and as soon as I get close....gone. Pretty sure wasn't a nightblade either, but it is late and I could be mistaken.
I do have a video of it, but posting will have to wait as its midnight my time and I need sleep...

TheYKcid

At 1:05 on the "ESO Cheat Engine User WW Patch" video, it looks like he was stuck underneath the terrain, and got forcibly ejected upwards until he reached a valid position (back on top of the wall). It's happened to me before—getting stuck in terrain under one of those wooden walkways in a keep's inner courtyard—though I've never been vertically ejected that far before.

I have no idea how he managed to get onto the roof of the outpost though. Will try and test the theories mentioned above when I have time later.