Is cheat engine back on the rise?

Waylander07

Sweetare wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

I've been playing my Stam warden a lot in PvP lately, and I can tell you that happens when the server starts to crap out. Last night on Vivec, I killed a couple of poor blues that I'm pretty sure have no idea what truck hit them. I casted my Sub assault like always, Reverb and Birds, except that nothing happened. so I just did Sub assault again and spammed birds. Like 6-7 seconds later everything fired and the guy just dropped dead.
No slicing, no Dizzy (cant stand the skill) and no funny business, happened 2 or 3 times last night. All skills were lagging too, and bar swap was super unreliable.

That could explain what happened, i felt like i had been blitzed lol. I have also noticed that the bar swap does not always work which is really anoying.

Lexxypwns

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Can have 3 subs land in 6.1 seconds. First one was precast, immediately recast after first explosion. Second hits 3 seconds into fight, cast again, 3rd one hits 3 seconds later. That’s ~6.1 seconds. Once you cast sub you can LA-Skill-LA-Dizzy, recast sub, etc

You got a video?

No I never recorded, but remember I dodged the first subterranean assault and the fight only lasted a couple of secs after that. This is not the first time that I have seen this kind of thing. I am not saying the guy was cheating I just don't understand how it is possible. I came up from the roll dodge, turned to face the guy and got instantly killed. I got 30k resistance and about and 27k health so its unusual for me to get wiped in 2 seconds. Plus I don't get how he could put those combinations of attack together so fast.

Well I just explained it to you. You saw him Sub, dodged out of his path, he subbed again, did whatever, sub goes off, subs again, dizzy+DB, GG

The reality is if you eat unmitigated burst from 2 good players you’re likely to die.

You never explained what happened to me you just assumed that you did, typical unhelpful answer but then again you weren’t there and I was so I guess you would know best then. Dont be such an ass

I literally did explain it. The fight took at least 5 seconds from the time the first sub exploded and you admitted it was up to 5 seconds. While you were dodging his second sub was already casted. You lost the fight before it even started because you didn’t react properly to the high damage build you’re facing.

I’m not being an ass, you’re just refusing to see any possible answer but your own. I’m trying to help you. Of course I’m speculating about what happened because you came here acting like someone had to have cheated to beat you despite having double your numbers and you admitting to making mistakes. If you record instances you think are cheating it’s more helpful.

Since sub has a 3 second timer you can land 2 skills between each explosion no problem. Most likely he did Sub-Heavy-Dizzy-Sub again-heavy-DB and the combo of his burst plus another player focusing you caused a quick death because you were attempting to roll dodge instead of tap blocking.

Whatever your resists WERE you’ve got Major Fracture applied and both guys likely have some penetration CP, which leaves you at about 19k resists, which isn’t enough to eat repeated burst without blocking or using LoS to mitigate.

I can’t speculate on what the other guy was going but I can tell from the info you have given that you were completely defensive so I’m sure he was able to focus on getting uninterrupted damage off on you. When you first encounter a high damage warden, get to LoS or tap block when his sub/dizzy is getting ready to go off so he can’t CC. The block won’t stop the damage since sub and DB ignore block but it’ll let you instantly heal instead of just getting melted trying to CC break.

If you need more advice on fighting wardens shoot me a message and I’ll break down everything you can do to counter them. It’s a class that can punish you hard for making a mistake but that can’t nearly as much if you control the fight.

Let me start by saying that you are not only being an ass but also very arrogant. Your explanation completely ignores everything that I said, and you have even changed what I said had happened to justify your theory which you have delivered as fact.

You claim that I came here acting like someone had to cheat to beat me which I have never said. Nowhere did I call the player a cheat, I was only looking for an explanation as to what happened.

As for not accepting any answer but my own that is complete bullcrap and another baseless assumption that you have made. I rejected your answer because it did not fit in with what I experienced.

You also claim that I admitted making a mistake and that I fought defensive, how so?

I roll dodged and avoided taking any damage from his first attack, I then turned in his direction to attack but was killed before I could react. While I can accept that as I roll dodged the first attack he pressed for the second subterranean assault, but I cannot see how he had time to fire of the third as the fight never lasted long enough.

as for capturing things on video, really you want me to record everytime i play.

Then there is your offer of more help lol what can I say, you assume that I am a bad player despite knowing nothing about me. You really come across as a person that confuses assumptions as fact so let me spell out some real facts for you …

You do not know me or what I am like, this is a fact as I am sure we have never met.
You do not know my level of skill as a player (see above)
You did not witness the incident that I was talking about so only have my description to go on which you decided to change to suit your theory. Why would I accept that what I experienced was wrong when you were not even there?

These are real facts, you really need to learn the difference. If you need any help with that I would be happy to help 😊

YOU SAID it took no more than 5 second after the first dodge roll in your post. I didn’t say that, you said that. During your roll he hit sub, which means 2 can explode inside 5 seconds.

Im not assuming you’re bad, you’re telling me what you did and I’m telling you it wasn’t the correct response to win that fight. You can’t really argue that either because you died.

You’re now changing your story and never really seemed to sure of it. If you keep insulting me while I’m trying to help you it speaks a lot to your character. Have a great day buddy, I’m done with you.

IZZEFlameLash

I am pretty sure there can be a cheater out there if CE is still undetected and can even alter the game visually. I mean, ZOS' servers are like not 100% secure. But if there are hackers, it will be fairly limited to p2w hax and subtle. But nothing suspicious so far.2016 was the real h4x year. 2018 is not. No matter how bad the game is. Still surprised by that console 2016 cheating vid tho.

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@rfennell_ESO I can say for 100% certain that after the meteor spam incident that everything of value except for player position was moved server side. I cannot say if they are still there, but I’ve had specific discussion with some of the players involved that made a point to test out a lot of thing. I also know that you can manipulate player positioning without any 3rd party software because I can easily cause position desyncs just by bottle necking my internet connection.

I think their logic was that positional hacking was easy to notice for players and people wouldn’t be so willing to do that as they were to add another 800 stam regen, something you couldn’t really notice when fighting them.

I remember hearing that after the meteor in PVP weekend the two players, who had been trying to get ZOS to do something about CE for quite some time before that, were banned along with a bunch of other players. Let me tell you the PVE leaderboards were pretty weak that week and I got more raid invites than I have ever had. It was weird and I didn't piece it together until later because I was unaware of what had happened in PVP. They let most the cheaters back in though except for the guys who embarrassed them and made them address CE somewhat. It really showed ZOS's priorities. Ignoring an important thing until somebody shone a light on it and embarrassed them and them torching them for it. That has seemed to be the play though, trying to hide, ignore, and pretend that cheating is not a widespread thing while it wrecks players experiences in game and quietly infects their scaling and balancing decisions.

This thread still being open is pretty uncommon given how quickly they usually find some thin excuse to close a cheat engine thread. It also still has more info than they usually seem to leave un-redacted. They have a new high level employee who should, theoretically, be concerned with this. I am hopeful that perhaps this is actually being looked at.

It is my personal opinion that third party cheat software is very common amounts top payers in PVE and even more so among top PVP guilds. I regularly see things that are not explainable from my understanding of the possibilities of what can be done. I see players getting into keeps before the walls are down in situations where I doubt they would have hid for 4 hours since they last had the keep. I see PVP builds that are as tanky as the tankiest builds and higher dps than the highest builds. I also see PVE players do far more dps than a build I am familiar with seems to be able to do in my own group (IE same group buffs.)

I hope that ZOS really puts an effort into bringing this sort of thing to an end. Though, honestly, I have a hard time blaming players this far along. You can really only expect people to be wrecked by CE users so long, or have their DPS prove insufficient despite proper gear, rotation and up-times, waiting for you to fix your game and that so long is not this many years. CE use is really mostly ZOS fault at this point.

Sharee

Waylander07 wrote: »

as for capturing things on video, really you want me to record everytime i play.

Just a side note on this: In case you are on PC and have an Nvidia card, you can have Shadowplay always running in the background to record your videos(so you don't have to think about/remember running capture software). It is part of the Geforce Experience so if you use that to keep your drivers up to date, you already have it installed. Just activate it in geforce settings.

What it does is continually record the last 5 minutes(configurable) of your gameplay, and you can save the recording at any time with a keypress. This allows you to hit a button everytime you wonder wtf just happened in cyrodiil, alt-tab out of the game, and review the action that just happened in slow motion.

I always do this, and it really helps me when I need to figure something out.

Bergzorn

Maybe have a look at this video provided by @funnyridr where a scroll gets taken while the gates are closed and ports to the enemy home base:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435453/can-we-please-put-a-stop-to-the-cheating-in-cyrodiil-lately

Sure, it could be a hell of an exploit.

Waylander07

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Can have 3 subs land in 6.1 seconds. First one was precast, immediately recast after first explosion. Second hits 3 seconds into fight, cast again, 3rd one hits 3 seconds later. That’s ~6.1 seconds. Once you cast sub you can LA-Skill-LA-Dizzy, recast sub, etc

You got a video?

No I never recorded, but remember I dodged the first subterranean assault and the fight only lasted a couple of secs after that. This is not the first time that I have seen this kind of thing. I am not saying the guy was cheating I just don't understand how it is possible. I came up from the roll dodge, turned to face the guy and got instantly killed. I got 30k resistance and about and 27k health so its unusual for me to get wiped in 2 seconds. Plus I don't get how he could put those combinations of attack together so fast.

Well I just explained it to you. You saw him Sub, dodged out of his path, he subbed again, did whatever, sub goes off, subs again, dizzy+DB, GG

The reality is if you eat unmitigated burst from 2 good players you’re likely to die.

You never explained what happened to me you just assumed that you did, typical unhelpful answer but then again you weren’t there and I was so I guess you would know best then. Dont be such an ass

I literally did explain it. The fight took at least 5 seconds from the time the first sub exploded and you admitted it was up to 5 seconds. While you were dodging his second sub was already casted. You lost the fight before it even started because you didn’t react properly to the high damage build you’re facing.

I’m not being an ass, you’re just refusing to see any possible answer but your own. I’m trying to help you. Of course I’m speculating about what happened because you came here acting like someone had to have cheated to beat you despite having double your numbers and you admitting to making mistakes. If you record instances you think are cheating it’s more helpful.

Since sub has a 3 second timer you can land 2 skills between each explosion no problem. Most likely he did Sub-Heavy-Dizzy-Sub again-heavy-DB and the combo of his burst plus another player focusing you caused a quick death because you were attempting to roll dodge instead of tap blocking.

Whatever your resists WERE you’ve got Major Fracture applied and both guys likely have some penetration CP, which leaves you at about 19k resists, which isn’t enough to eat repeated burst without blocking or using LoS to mitigate.

I can’t speculate on what the other guy was going but I can tell from the info you have given that you were completely defensive so I’m sure he was able to focus on getting uninterrupted damage off on you. When you first encounter a high damage warden, get to LoS or tap block when his sub/dizzy is getting ready to go off so he can’t CC. The block won’t stop the damage since sub and DB ignore block but it’ll let you instantly heal instead of just getting melted trying to CC break.

If you need more advice on fighting wardens shoot me a message and I’ll break down everything you can do to counter them. It’s a class that can punish you hard for making a mistake but that can’t nearly as much if you control the fight.

Let me start by saying that you are not only being an ass but also very arrogant. Your explanation completely ignores everything that I said, and you have even changed what I said had happened to justify your theory which you have delivered as fact.

You claim that I came here acting like someone had to cheat to beat me which I have never said. Nowhere did I call the player a cheat, I was only looking for an explanation as to what happened.

As for not accepting any answer but my own that is complete bullcrap and another baseless assumption that you have made. I rejected your answer because it did not fit in with what I experienced.

You also claim that I admitted making a mistake and that I fought defensive, how so?

I roll dodged and avoided taking any damage from his first attack, I then turned in his direction to attack but was killed before I could react. While I can accept that as I roll dodged the first attack he pressed for the second subterranean assault, but I cannot see how he had time to fire of the third as the fight never lasted long enough.

as for capturing things on video, really you want me to record everytime i play.

Then there is your offer of more help lol what can I say, you assume that I am a bad player despite knowing nothing about me. You really come across as a person that confuses assumptions as fact so let me spell out some real facts for you …

You do not know me or what I am like, this is a fact as I am sure we have never met.
You do not know my level of skill as a player (see above)
You did not witness the incident that I was talking about so only have my description to go on which you decided to change to suit your theory. Why would I accept that what I experienced was wrong when you were not even there?

These are real facts, you really need to learn the difference. If you need any help with that I would be happy to help 😊

YOU SAID it took no more than 5 second after the first dodge roll in your post. I didn’t say that, you said that. During your roll he hit sub, which means 2 can explode inside 5 seconds.

Im not assuming you’re bad, you’re telling me what you did and I’m telling you it wasn’t the correct response to win that fight. You can’t really argue that either because you died.

You’re now changing your story and never really seemed to sure of it. If you keep insulting me while I’m trying to help you it speaks a lot to your character. Have a great day buddy, I’m done with you.

Let me refresh your memory with what I said …. "The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate.

I never changed a thing you just got it wrong again because you never bothered to check. As for insulting you I think you started that by the way you addressed my comments. If you are respectful to me I will be the same back

ZOS_JesC

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