Is cheat engine back on the rise?

LadyNalcarya

N00BxV1 wrote: »

People say macros are impossible... Well, you can get instant weaving just by binding LA+Skill to a macro/hotkey - it may not be anything extravagant but it's still a macro and possibly an advantage. The bottom line is people just don't know what is possible until someone does it, and there is always someone out there willing to take the challenge.

Incorrect.
People say that regular macros cannot bypass internal cooldowns, and it's actually true. Even if you make a macro that presses 10 skills per second, you'll only get one (it's very easy to check if you dont believe me).
Yes, it's possible to make a light attack macro, but a person who struggles with weaving is unlikely to be too OP even with a macro. Buying a gaming mouse with side buttons is more advantageous imo, it makes weaving much easier and you dont have to rely on macros.
The "5 skills in second" problem is not related to macros. There's 3 possible explanations: 1)a person doesnt understand how burst combos work (stuff like shalks+dawnbreaker, for example) 2)server lag/bugged skills, when your opponent actually spammed that skill and you got hit by everything at once due to lag or 3)cheating/exploits.
Macros can only emulate normal kb+mouse input, they cannot break game mechanics.

drkfrontiers

Last night there was a keep full of AD +- 4x full groups vs. 1x DC NB. He was tanking for close to 10-15 mins. (Fair enough he was using stealth alot but still)

Yeah, I would say thats not working as intended. It sounds unbelievable unless you were there.

I don't care what people say about elite pvp skills. When one player can stand-up to 7-12 CP 780s and not go down fairly soon something is definitely off. Sure one or two exceptions to the rule, but its a little TOO common in one particular faction..

No human being is capable of that sort of reflexes and situational awareness period.

Hammy01

What I really want to know... why does this buggy AF game never work in my favor??

N00BxV1

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

People say macros are impossible... Well, you can get instant weaving just by binding LA+Skill to a macro/hotkey - it may not be anything extravagant but it's still a macro and possibly an advantage. The bottom line is people just don't know what is possible until someone does it, and there is always someone out there willing to take the challenge.

Incorrect.
People say that regular macros cannot bypass internal cooldowns, and it's actually true. Even if you make a macro that presses 10 skills per second, you'll only get one (it's very easy to check if you dont believe me).
Yes, it's possible to make a light attack macro, but a person who struggles with weaving is unlikely to be too OP even with a macro. Buying a gaming mouse with side buttons is more advantageous imo, it makes weaving much easier and you dont have to rely on macros.
The "5 skills in second" problem is not related to macros. There's 3 possible explanations: 1)a person doesnt understand how burst combos work (stuff like shalks+dawnbreaker, for example) 2)server lag/bugged skills, when your opponent actually spammed that skill and you got hit by everything at once due to lag or 3)cheating/exploits.
Macros can only emulate normal kb+mouse input, they cannot break game mechanics.

What is "Incorrect"? I didn't say anything about a regular macro being able to bypass the GCD because I know it won't. I simply stated the fact that a light attack macro IS possible - and you even agreed that it is... lmao

MetalHead4x4

I dunno what people are using exactly but I've seen an increase in strange NB play. I was fighting a small man group last night in Cyro and got gap closed by a NB. I threw up block and heard the resounding "CLANG!" like I got the block off, but instead of the NB being knocked off balance or anything I just fell dead. Combat log showed he got off a Lethal Arrow and Scourge for 18k damage and I never saw him switch from his 2 hander.

Could have been lag but it seems like some people are managing a bar swap + attacks faster than any animation cancelling I've seen. I'm a fair sorcerer I've been at it for 3.5 years I think I know what I'm capable of. I've also noticed that often I do a shield cast and my opponents damage seems to take priority over it. I'm getting it off before they get an attack off but the attack hits and my shield never cast.

That and a fair amount of people who I know are good players but the damage they eat and their endless resources while taking on superior numbers is just odd. They complain about so many people chasing them down but it takes that many to kill them, especially Stamdens.

Respect4Elders

It's about time they all get...

Drummerx04

SpiderCultist wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

It's kind of impossible to detect such activities as game (pvp mostly) itself is so broken that you can't differentiate if it's cheat or game itself.

It's not that impossible to implement a cheat detection subsystem with or without admin privileges, just detect the signature of some well-known cheat programs, including macros, and flag those who use them. If they persist, ban them. Because at the moment and just an example, it's just ridiculous some mice or keyboards can get you 3 shields within less than a sec when playing a sorcerer by pressing 1 button. And of course, CE should be hunted down #1.

If they could add Red Shell into this game, they might implement an anticheat detector, it's not that much to ask.

Alright look, even if a macro could give you 3 shields in < 1 second (they can't btw), that would just be a 9k magicka drain in 1 GCD... that's a HUGE deal. Sure, maybe you're invulnerable for the next few seconds, but you can only do that maybe 6 times if not attacking at all.

And that's hits at the root problem with macros... Often times, you don't want to use the macro because it's not what you need to do at the time. Macros just don't make sense in ESO. The content is too dynamic to macro in any meaningful way.

The ONLY macro I could maybe see being useful is to light attack before each skill. Maybe. But it takes maybe two hours of practice for an average player to learn light weaving manually, so...

If I see this macro accusation popup in the future I might just release an Addon that just points out when the GCD is triggered on a skill cast.

Finviuswe

Respect4Elders wrote: »

It's about time they all get...

sure. why not.

Since I don't cheat, because there's no point, I would prefer that nobody cheats and the ones who decide to.... they may as well be punished for it.

VirtualElizabeth

So I am curious if this would be considered a CE thing because it does seem kind of suspicious. A friend of mine while playing in PVP the other was killed by a Warden. On his death recap it was something like 8 x Gripping Shards along with other skills. Is it possible to spam that many skills and show up on the death counter like that?

Sheezabeast

I would attribute some hinky behavior to the fact that addons can be kept private or paid for. Long gone are the Miats complaints, they learned from that dumpster fire.

VirtualElizabeth

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

So I am curious if this would be considered a CE thing because it does seem kind of suspicious. A friend of mine while playing in PVP the other was killed by a Warden. On his death recap it was something like 8 x Gripping Shards along with other skills. Is it possible to spam that many skills and show up on the death counter like that?

Now I have another question, besides the one above: What exactly are the signs of CE use in PVP?

MetalHead4x4

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I would attribute some hinky behavior to the fact that addons can be kept private or paid for. Long gone are the Miats complaints, they learned from that dumpster fire.

My suspicion has always been, what are people who can create addons (like Miat) using that no one knows about?

Finviuswe

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I would attribute some hinky behavior to the fact that addons can be kept private or paid for. Long gone are the Miats complaints, they learned from that dumpster fire.

Why would you PAY to cheat in a game that doesn't offer any tangible rewards for winning?

That is the EPITOME of illogical.

Sheezabeast

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I would attribute some hinky behavior to the fact that addons can be kept private or paid for. Long gone are the Miats complaints, they learned from that dumpster fire.

Why would you PAY to cheat in a game that doesn't offer any tangible rewards for winning?

That is the EPITOME of illogical.

You would be surprised what people do for their ego and e-peen.

Finviuswe

Sheezabeast wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I would attribute some hinky behavior to the fact that addons can be kept private or paid for. Long gone are the Miats complaints, they learned from that dumpster fire.

Why would you PAY to cheat in a game that doesn't offer any tangible rewards for winning?

That is the EPITOME of illogical.

You would be surprised what people do for their ego and e-peen.

That is a minor ego boost at best. If you are going around, cheating, and doing well only because of that. That actually will make you look worse in the long run

kringled_1

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

So I am curious if this would be considered a CE thing because it does seem kind of suspicious. A friend of mine while playing in PVP the other was killed by a Warden. On his death recap it was something like 8 x Gripping Shards along with other skills. Is it possible to spam that many skills and show up on the death counter like that?

Now I have another question, besides the one above: What exactly are the signs of CE use in PVP?

Just to be clear, Gripping Shards is a 12 second long DOT. 8x means that your friend was stuck in that AOE for 8s (since it's a snare and a root, not that uncommon). It didn't need to be spammed. Might have been cast a few times to get the root in the first place.

Finviuswe

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

So I am curious if this would be considered a CE thing because it does seem kind of suspicious. A friend of mine while playing in PVP the other was killed by a Warden. On his death recap it was something like 8 x Gripping Shards along with other skills. Is it possible to spam that many skills and show up on the death counter like that?

Now I have another question, besides the one above: What exactly are the signs of CE use in PVP?

Beating me in a duel?

Hah. It's a joke. that was a joke.

Wreuntzylla

jabrone77 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

This is why i couldn't handle playing on PC.

I have my doubts about many console players as it is, let alone if they had easy access to the macros / CE / add on crap pc does.

Sure many people that cry cheat are wrong, and haven't seen the spec or ability people cam achieve. But then when you see the same players always doing odd stuff or taking advantage, the doubt is there.

I've seem the same team of 4 blinking invisible on two separate nights. I'm WELL aware it could be coincidence.....but.....

This was a year ago, but still shows that cheating happens on console.
This is PS4. You can clearly see this players health cannot go to zero, he's/she's dropping banners left and right, sometimes 4 at a time (and they have a high ultimate cost), doing no healing or any defensive measure....just dropping ultimates and spamming steel tornado. Also cannot be bashed.
You can see other members of his faction enter the tower and get obliterated, there's so much damage going on. But somehow, this person cannot be killed.

https://youtu.be/8kLbQY3Trxk

Cheating happens on console too.

Edit: I agree cheating gets thrown around way too often, and isn't always the case. Because of that, I think it's far too easy to dismiss someone who's actually cheating.
There's a huge difference between getting beat by a good player, and someone like in the above video.

I'm not sure what is funnier, how blatant the cheating is or the godfather accent.

Ankael07

First, we need a stable game to be able to tell if people are cheating or not. There are just too many bugs, lag issues or exploits that people dont even need to cheat at this point. Just exploit something with no fear of getting banned

LadyNalcarya

N00BxV1 wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

People say macros are impossible... Well, you can get instant weaving just by binding LA+Skill to a macro/hotkey - it may not be anything extravagant but it's still a macro and possibly an advantage. The bottom line is people just don't know what is possible until someone does it, and there is always someone out there willing to take the challenge.

Incorrect.
People say that regular macros cannot bypass internal cooldowns, and it's actually true. Even if you make a macro that presses 10 skills per second, you'll only get one (it's very easy to check if you dont believe me).
Yes, it's possible to make a light attack macro, but a person who struggles with weaving is unlikely to be too OP even with a macro. Buying a gaming mouse with side buttons is more advantageous imo, it makes weaving much easier and you dont have to rely on macros.
The "5 skills in second" problem is not related to macros. There's 3 possible explanations: 1)a person doesnt understand how burst combos work (stuff like shalks+dawnbreaker, for example) 2)server lag/bugged skills, when your opponent actually spammed that skill and you got hit by everything at once due to lag or 3)cheating/exploits.
Macros can only emulate normal kb+mouse input, they cannot break game mechanics.

What is "Incorrect"? I didn't say anything about a regular macro being able to bypass the GCD because I know it won't. I simply stated the fact that a light attack macro IS possible - and you even agreed that it is... lmao

You said that people say that macros are impossible.
But thats not the case, no one was saying that they were impossible, they were just saying that they cant bypass gcds etc.

qbit

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Some times I wonder if there are people who managed to bypass the global cooldown variable... Seen many weird stuff over the past 2 years, people who are seriously gimped at first became gods after joining well-known hardcore pvp guilds.

I hear that global cooldown is enforced client-side. If that’s true... And if that data stream from client to server can be tampered with (if it’s not encrypted) then I can assure you that global cool down is being bypassed. Honestly I’m afraid to even look into it. If these things are true then the game is ruined for me and I’ve wasted a solid 400 hours the last few months. Like I’m afraid to google it and get a real answer and afraid to even read posts on this forum I’m tagged on since I commented on this last week. Ignorance is bliss. .....

Wreuntzylla

Datthaw wrote: »

The one I swear people have, but have absolutely 0 proof of, is a cc break macro. I swear some people break it faster than I animation cancel my cast.

Maybe I'm just slow? Idk but it's always been the one suspicion I have.

Depends on their build. People using 1h/shield and LA/Pierce/Bash will break your cheat before you cancel the animation of an instant ability.

qbit

Prabooo wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Riseyy wrote: »

Ive had things happen to me such as 2-4 dizzy swings hitting in one second, DoTs from the same skill hitting more times than they should in a second

Some skills are just bugged like that, especially in laggy pvp environment. Dizzying swing, snipe, etc cause this desync bug when you instanly die and see several snipes on your death recap.
That's the problem. ZOS coding is bad. ZOS servers are laggy. So there's no way to know for sure if someone is cheating/exploting or not unless it's something outrageous like meteor showers or flying around at sonic speed.

one of the things this cheat engine can do is lag other players... Someone demonstrated this for me sometime ago, a player who could just freeze my game at will while we were in duel... I almost stop playing this game for this... I learned to ignore this elements

What you describe a “cheat engine” causing lag are only possible when client-to-client data is being exchanged and relied on by the client. Only possible if client IP addresses are publicly exposed in an unencrypted data stream to the client. All of which are totally unacceptable for an MMO. So unacceptable that I question the claims of cheating. But lately.....

Only games I’ve played that stupidly do that are GTAV Online and Mario Kart Wii.

I really hope the rumors are not true. If ESO does anything of significance client-to-client to save money on server infrastructure then its game over. You can’t ensure the integrity of anything in the game at that point.

VirtualElizabeth

kringled_1 wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

So I am curious if this would be considered a CE thing because it does seem kind of suspicious. A friend of mine while playing in PVP the other was killed by a Warden. On his death recap it was something like 8 x Gripping Shards along with other skills. Is it possible to spam that many skills and show up on the death counter like that?

Now I have another question, besides the one above: What exactly are the signs of CE use in PVP?

Just to be clear, Gripping Shards is a 12 second long DOT. 8x means that your friend was stuck in that AOE for 8s (since it's a snare and a root, not that uncommon). It didn't need to be spammed. Might have been cast a few times to get the root in the first place.

Makes total sense. Thanks!!!

SirDopey

Maybe ZOS needs to make people's resources more visible? Not only is their health visible but also their stamina and magic?

I mean, to be fair if you were fighting someone and they were low on stamina you would see it, they would be taking in the deep breaths and struggling to lift their sword. Feel like same argument can be made for magic....

MetalHead4x4

SirDopey wrote: »

Maybe ZOS needs to make people's resources more visible? Not only is their health visible but also their stamina and magic?

I mean, to be fair if you were fighting someone and they were low on stamina you would see it, they would be taking in the deep breaths and struggling to lift their sword. Feel like same argument can be made for magic....

THIS, at least we'd be able to record it if someone was blatantly spamming abilities and their resources weren't showing signs of being used.

MajBludd

I know they had several things client side to cut down on lag.

After the meteor spamming, flying, etc happened, from what I understood is they put a few things back server side.

I could be wrong, but I was there for, and saw the meteor spam

Drakkdjinn

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Last night there was a keep full of AD +- 4x full groups vs. 1x DC NB. He was tanking for close to 10-15 mins. (Fair enough he was using stealth alot but still)

Yeah, I would say thats not working as intended. It sounds unbelievable unless you were there.

I don't care what people say about elite pvp skills. When one player can stand-up to 7-12 CP 780s and not go down fairly soon something is definitely off. Sure one or two exceptions to the rule, but its a little TOO common in one particular faction..

No human being is capable of that sort of reflexes and situational awareness period.

Lemme guess: CP enabled campaign?

MLGProPlayer

Beardimus wrote: »

This is why i couldn't handle playing on PC.

I have my doubts about many console players as it is, let alone if they had easy access to the macros / CE / add on crap pc does.

Sure many people that cry cheat are wrong, and haven't seen the spec or ability people cam achieve. But then when you see the same players always doing odd stuff or taking advantage, the doubt is there.

I've seem the same team of 4 blinking invisible on two separate nights. I'm WELL aware it could be coincidence.....but.....

Consoles have cheating too, and it's even tougher to combat since devs can't implement anti-cheat systems to run in the background.

ESO: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/434581/psa-a-solution-to-resource-node-bots

Overwatch: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6f0xng/one_of_the_top_500_players_on_ps4_is_a_well_known/

usmguy1234

Just a casual conversation I had the other day.