Is cheat engine back on the rise?

Savos_Saren

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just a casual conversation I had the other day.

What is the conversation referring to? It's too obtuse.

Priyasekarssk

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Last night there was a keep full of AD +- 4x full groups vs. 1x DC NB. He was tanking for close to 10-15 mins. (Fair enough he was using stealth alot but still)

Yeah, I would say thats not working as intended. It sounds unbelievable unless you were there.

I don't care what people say about elite pvp skills. When one player can stand-up to 7-12 CP 780s and not go down fairly soon something is definitely off. Sure one or two exceptions to the rule, but its a little TOO common in one particular faction..

No human being is capable of that sort of reflexes and situational awareness period.

If its DC PC NA dont be surprised. They will hit 5-6 skills hit in 1 second , within the time you hit 1 skill . All of a sudden game start to lag. Cant even CC one person. Barely execute 1 skill. I believe few guild group usually does that with all kind of exploits. Not all DCs.

Kadoin

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Last night there was a keep full of AD +- 4x full groups vs. 1x DC NB. He was tanking for close to 10-15 mins. (Fair enough he was using stealth alot but still)

Yeah, I would say thats not working as intended. It sounds unbelievable unless you were there.

I don't care what people say about elite pvp skills. When one player can stand-up to 7-12 CP 780s and not go down fairly soon something is definitely off. Sure one or two exceptions to the rule, but its a little TOO common in one particular faction..

No human being is capable of that sort of reflexes and situational awareness period.

I can assure you some people are, especially if they are used to being zerged down. It has nothing to do with reflexes at that point; eventually you will become used to it and know the best course of action in almost any scenario. You will know most sorcs always use curse/pulse/cage, which can all be avoided if you cloak at the right time. You will know templars will try the javelins, which can be roll dodged/passively dodged. You will know that most DKs can't do anything. You will also know snipes are coming, which can also be dodged and/or avoided by cloaking. You will have the timing down to a point where you know exactly when to roll, block, and heal (ignoring the fact that it might lag since that is random). Trust me, you will be insanely "tanky" when you master that even if you are in light armor and have base resists with no impen on or damage shields.

The only way to kill players like that is to get a "definite kill" by doing damage equal to or greater than their hp in the same instant. From what I've seen most damage even from a zerg can be avoided if you know what you are doing. Though if CC'd at the right moment, no one can survive that ...the problem is most people stupidly spam CCs on you and give you immunity, and if you have immov pot...

usmguy1234

Savos_Saren wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just a casual conversation I had the other day.

What is the conversation referring to? It's too obtuse.

Lag snipe exploit. Yes it's an exploit that is easily repeatable.

MetalHead4x4

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

If its DC PC NA dont be surprised. They will hit 5-6 skills hit in 1 second , within the time you hit 1 skill . All of a sudden game start to lag. Cant even CC one person. Barely execute 1 skill. I believe few guild group usually does that with all kind of exploits. Not all DCs.

I get it all night long from NB's on AD and EP. I can see a NB coming right at me, I block, I cast Hardened Ward, and I die and the combat log shows 5 major attacks hit me within 1 second. Happened tonight. It was Poison Arrow, Bash, 2 Surprise Attacks and a heavy attack. All that before my shield would go off. Thats BS.

Kadoin

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just a casual conversation I had the other day.

What is the conversation referring to? It's too obtuse.

Lag snipe exploit. Yes it's an exploit that is easily repeatable.

If that is true, and you know what it is, then report the exact steps to ZOS and they will most likely fix it. It probably isn't fixed because they cannot replicate it...

phairdon

Did see a flying dc player on vivec today, near Chalman mine. Their character flew backward above the rocks, toward the mine tower and sat their levitating, a fair way off the ground.

Thogard

Its been two years since I’ve seen any top-tier, respected PvPer on PC NA legitimately accuse or suspect another PvPer of cheating.

The only people I have ever seen accuse someone of hacking, macros, or cheat engine are people who are:
1. Brand new to PvP
2. Extremely bad despite significant time spent practicing
3. There is no 3, it’s literally just those two.


If any respected PvPer accused someone of using cheat engine, I’d certainly pay attention. Once upon a time, I thought kodi might be, so I recorded some vids of him playing, uploaded it to an unlisted youtube account, and asked around BEFORE pointing any fingers. Eventually I figured out how he did what he did using legitimate in-game mechanics.

Just the other day I was watching @Joshlenoir ‘s stream and saw him attack someone behind him while he was rooted, which violated how I thought the LOS system worked. So I tested it.... it turns out that the one skill he used (rending slashes) has a 360 degree los, even when the caster is on the ground, rooted, and facing the wrong way.

Everything that makes me suspicious, I test. I record everything so I can reference it later - no proof = no cheat. If you go to my YouTube channel you’ll see plenty of bugs that commonly get mistaken as usage of cheat engine. For instance:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4RvQRG15YkI

Thankfully most of the bugs I’ve found from my investigations into "cheaters" have been fixed by ZOS. Things like that vid aren't cheat engine though, they're buggy mechanics caused by server/client desynchronizations like Alcast mentioned.

But I digress.

My point is that if you honestly think someone is using cheat engine, keep that thought to yourself until you finish testing it.

Because right now, saying something like “plenty of people use cheat engine to be better than they actually are” is really just you admitting to everyone on this message board that you’re terrible at the game, terrible at gathering evidence, and desperately seeking to justify why you’re bad.

EDIT:

oh and here's the time i went flying in cyrodil:

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticKawaiiPepperoniUncleNox

Finviuswe

Thogard wrote: »

Its been two years since I’ve seen any top-tier, respected PvPer on PC NA legitimately accuse or suspect another PvPer of cheating.

The only people I have ever seen accuse someone of hacking, macros, or cheat engine are people who are:
1. Brand new to PvP
2. Extremely bad despite significant time spent practicing
3. There is no 3, it’s literally just those two.


If any respected PvPer accused someone of using cheat engine, I’d certainly pay attention. I thought kodi might be, so I asked around and then figured out how he did what he did using legitimate in-game mechanics. Just the other day I was watching @Joshlenoir ‘s stream and saw him attack someone behind him, which violated how I thought the LOS system worked. So I tested it. Turns out that the one skill he used to do that has a 360 degree los, even when the caster is on the ground.

Everything that makes me suspicious, I test. I record everything so I can reference it later - no proof = no cheat. If you go to my YouTube channel you’ll see plenty of bugs that commonly get mistaken as usage of cheat engine. For instance:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4RvQRG15YkI

Thankfully most of the bugs I’ve found from my investigations into cheaters have been fixed by ZOS.

But I digress.

My point is that if you honestly think someone is using cheat engine, keep that thought to yourself until you finish testing it.

Because right now, saying something like “plenty of people use cheat engine to be better than they actually are” is really you just admitting to everyone on this message board that you’re terrible at the game, terrible at gathering evidence, and desperately seeking to justify why you’re bad rather than actively trying to improve.

This is well put. Puts things into perspectives.

We need adequate evidence and proof, before levying such an accusation.

Speculation really is meaningless. Especially for an accusation such as this, all claims must be supported by evidence. I merely want nothing more than for CE and other exploitative behaviors to no longer be a major factor in game.

Really solid and informative video, too

Priyasekarssk

Thogard wrote: »

Its been two years since I’ve seen any top-tier, respected PvPer on PC NA legitimately accuse or suspect another PvPer of cheating.

The only people I have ever seen accuse someone of hacking, macros, or cheat engine are people who are:
1. Brand new to PvP
2. Extremely bad despite significant time spent practicing
3. There is no 3, it’s literally just those two.


If any respected PvPer accused someone of using cheat engine, I’d certainly pay attention. Once upon a time, I thought kodi might be, so I recorded some vids of him playing, uploaded it to an unlisted youtube account, and asked around BEFORE pointing any fingers. Eventually I figured out how he did what he did using legitimate in-game mechanics.

Just the other day I was watching @Joshlenoir ‘s stream and saw him attack someone behind him while he was rooted, which violated how I thought the LOS system worked. So I tested it.... it turns out that the one skill he used (rending slashes) has a 360 degree los, even when the caster is on the ground, rooted, and facing the wrong way.

Everything that makes me suspicious, I test. I record everything so I can reference it later - no proof = no cheat. If you go to my YouTube channel you’ll see plenty of bugs that commonly get mistaken as usage of cheat engine. For instance:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4RvQRG15YkI

Thankfully most of the bugs I’ve found from my investigations into "cheaters" have been fixed by ZOS. Things like that vid aren't cheat engine though, they're buggy mechanics caused by server/client desynchronizations like Alcast mentioned.

But I digress.

My point is that if you honestly think someone is using cheat engine, keep that thought to yourself until you finish testing it.

Because right now, saying something like “plenty of people use cheat engine to be better than they actually are” is really just you admitting to everyone on this message board that you’re terrible at the game, terrible at gathering evidence, and desperately seeking to justify why you’re bad.

So intentionally exploiting game bugs is not cheating then. For example, landing 3 dizzy swings same way you did in video. Only using cheat engine or third party hacks is cheating. Learn the exploits to play the game.

Lexxypwns

My best advice is to download cheat engine and go test on PTS and see what you can find. I have a strong suspicion that there’s less client side variables than most believe.

Reverb

See my signature

Thogard

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Its been two years since I’ve seen any top-tier, respected PvPer on PC NA legitimately accuse or suspect another PvPer of cheating.

The only people I have ever seen accuse someone of hacking, macros, or cheat engine are people who are:
1. Brand new to PvP
2. Extremely bad despite significant time spent practicing
3. There is no 3, it’s literally just those two.


If any respected PvPer accused someone of using cheat engine, I’d certainly pay attention. Once upon a time, I thought kodi might be, so I recorded some vids of him playing, uploaded it to an unlisted youtube account, and asked around BEFORE pointing any fingers. Eventually I figured out how he did what he did using legitimate in-game mechanics.

Just the other day I was watching @Joshlenoir ‘s stream and saw him attack someone behind him while he was rooted, which violated how I thought the LOS system worked. So I tested it.... it turns out that the one skill he used (rending slashes) has a 360 degree los, even when the caster is on the ground, rooted, and facing the wrong way.

Everything that makes me suspicious, I test. I record everything so I can reference it later - no proof = no cheat. If you go to my YouTube channel you’ll see plenty of bugs that commonly get mistaken as usage of cheat engine. For instance:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4RvQRG15YkI

Thankfully most of the bugs I’ve found from my investigations into "cheaters" have been fixed by ZOS. Things like that vid aren't cheat engine though, they're buggy mechanics caused by server/client desynchronizations like Alcast mentioned.

But I digress.

My point is that if you honestly think someone is using cheat engine, keep that thought to yourself until you finish testing it.

Because right now, saying something like “plenty of people use cheat engine to be better than they actually are” is really just you admitting to everyone on this message board that you’re terrible at the game, terrible at gathering evidence, and desperately seeking to justify why you’re bad.

So intentionally exploiting game bugs is not cheating then. For example, landing 3 dizzy swings same way you did in video. Only using cheat engine or third party hacks is cheating.

No, it's cheating.

But there's a distinction between an exploit and a hack.

The dizzy swing thing that i demonstrated in that video is absolutely an exploit if used in pvp.

Fortunately it's extremely rare and requires very specific circumstances that are virtually impossible to intentionally replicate in PvP, but there have been other abuses of ingame mechanics.

I have a long history of reporting people for the draining shot -> roll dodge -> CC w/ no immunity exploit. I have also reported people for the fire rune at a BG base exploit.

But exploiting bugs in the game mechanics is not what this thread is about. I could talk for hours about that topic, and would probably get banned for naming and shaming. Join my discord though, i name and shame all the time there.

This thread is about cheat engine, and my commentary on cheating is specific to cheat engine / other hacks.

Lexxypwns

@Thogard you’re a known CE user and you’re recording yourself using it then claiming they’re bugs!

aetherial_heavenn

If I use a detect pot and an anti-stealth health drain mag drain poison and have used an aoe that breaks stealth and the person still disappears in front of me (and reappears with full health and an ult 2 secs later ) what is the counter.?

because there's this one player who does this repeatedly at 3 am US time. 'Normal' US play tiimes they aren't so god like. ....
I am happy to be told what to do to counter if it's a L2P issue. I am still pretty bad at PvP despite my rank. I rarely say CE when beaten. I admit I am bad and very laggy. But some stuff confuses me....

I think the general buggy state of the game doesn't help. (resource regen disappearing, so putting up one siege shield drains all my resources at one keep with no debuffs showing on me, then being able to put up 5 consecutively at the next keep, 15 mins later, for example) and macro slicing and untargetable players ( due to lag,) the snipe bug, break free never giving hard cc immunity etc. etc.

But, I too remember some of the most vehement forum warriors who said CE wasn't a thing and that hacks are not possible then disappeared after the last ban wave.

I remember the Miiat fiasco and asking over and over WTF? before Miat revealed the mechanics of his add on that his cohort had been using for months to farm the plebs like me.

I know there are sites still, where hacks are sold. specially speed hacks.

So when the example I cited above happens people are of course going to think 'is it CE?' because in the past it has been. ...
But if it's L2P please teach me

Thogard

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Thogard you’re a known CE user and you’re recording yourself using it then claiming they’re bugs!

SSShhhhhH!

Here's me flying around cyro. i really can't explain this one other than to say i got zos'd

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticKawaiiPepperoniUncleNox

phairdon

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Thogard you’re a known CE user and you’re recording yourself using it then claiming they’re bugs!

SSShhhhhH!

Here's me flying around cyro. i really can't explain this one other than to say i got zos'd

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticKawaiiPepperoniUncleNox

Haha. Pretty much what i saw today with the DC player. Difference being the player did not fall to their death and were moving upward & backward.

Thogard

phairdon wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Thogard you’re a known CE user and you’re recording yourself using it then claiming they’re bugs!

SSShhhhhH!

Here's me flying around cyro. i really can't explain this one other than to say i got zos'd

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticKawaiiPepperoniUncleNox

Haha. Pretty much what i saw today with the DC player. Difference being the player did not fall to their death and were moving upward & backward.

need some videoooo

with shadowplay and streaming being so common, we gotta get some vids up in here.

Finviuswe

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

So intentionally exploiting game bugs is not cheating then. For example, landing 3 dizzy swings same way you did in video. Only using cheat engine or third party hacks is cheating. Learn the exploits to play the game.

Intentionally exploiting game bugs should not be a bannable offense IMO, it still probably falls under the category of cheating.

The things with the bugs, is they need to be removed from the game by the dev team. They are in there due to an error to begin with, it's not the playerz fault it's there. On the other hand, with CE, the player went out of their way and voluntarily downloaded it with the intention to cheat, and implemented it.

So one alternative involves the player voluntarily implementing said cheating tactic, the other involves the player utilizing an aspect of the game that is there through no fault of their own.

That is why I, *generally* , always look the other way when it comes to the exploitation of in game bugs (not CE). Not something that is worth much thought for me.

Tannus15

In most games I find the better I get the less likely I am to assume someone is cheating. Usually it's not cheating, it's my own poor understanding of what's possible and what isn't and why.

NBrookus

Datthaw wrote: »

The one I swear people have, but have absolutely 0 proof of, is a cc break macro. I swear some people break it faster than I animation cancel my cast.

Maybe I'm just slow? Idk but it's always been the one suspicion I have.

I've posted this video before. I've encountered this player enough to say with 99% accuracy that he's not macro'ing or cheat. But Akatosh only know what it looked like on his end when I cc breaked mid-air.

Until the massive lag is sorted out, it's really hard for any player to fingerprint actual cheating. And you can see me prophylactically assuming something is wonky, panicking that there is a second player I don't see, and firing skills that turn out to be useless.

https://youtu.be/QIRhPPQhejs

So... how do you tell broken from cheat? Dammifino.

Zelos

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

Sorry man, but if you know how a server sided game works there is little you can actually do with cheat engine. Everything is logged on the server and the server will never trust the client.

Sharee

Zelos wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

Sorry man, but if you know how a server sided game works there is little you can actually do with cheat engine. Everything is logged on the server and the server will never trust the client.

For example, you could never spam 20 meteors in a row because the server would know you don't have enough ult to cast the second one.

Oh wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E

Zelos

Sharee wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

Sorry man, but if you know how a server sided game works there is little you can actually do with cheat engine. Everything is logged on the server and the server will never trust the client.

For example, you could never spam 20 meteors in a row because the server would know you don't have enough ult to cast the second one.

Oh wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E

Yep little you can do like I said. If you want me to explain in depth I will . I never said there was absolutely nothing you could do.

Sharee

Zelos wrote: »

I never said there was absolutely nothing you could do.

"The server will never trust the client"

Zelos

Sharee wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

Sorry man, but if you know how a server sided game works there is little you can actually do with cheat engine. Everything is logged on the server and the server will never trust the client.

For example, you could never spam 20 meteors in a row because the server would know you don't have enough ult to cast the second one.

Oh wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E

Yep little you can do like I said. If you want me to explain in depth I will . I never said there was nothing you couldn't do.

Sharee wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

I never said there was absolutely nothing you could do.

"The server will never trust the client"

Yep so Ill do more in depth so you can stop acting like a fool. Lets say I shoot a arrow in ESO just a LA, in a Client Sided game when I shoot that arrow Im in charge of following it and seeing if it hits something and if It does then I determine what kind of damage it does. In a Server Sided game the server is in charge of simulating that arrow, follows where it goes and if it hits someone the server decides what kind of damage it does. This is why most MMORPGS are all ran from the server and are server sided. However there are certain things that the server doesnt need to control like Ult gen, its one of the only things inside ESO that is controlled through the Client.

Whats so bad about it being Client Sided? What If ESO was Client Sided? Would it make the servers faster?

The answer is yes the server and lag right now would be a lot faster, but the Server would 100% trust the Client if the client said it hit someone and the Client would determine what kind of damage it does. So I could right a simple script inject it into the game and when I do I could aim at the ground with a bow and start shooting and everyone all over cyrodiil would start dying, because that script would start Teleporting the arrows into peoples body no matter how close and since I control what damage it does I will make it deal 1,000,000 damage to everyone.

So why is the Server not controlling Ult Gen?

Because anything the server doesnt need to ABSOLUTELY track it shouldnt, so it makes the load lighter no matter what. Since Ult is generated 3 at a time usually why bother tracking it? Well if the server started tracking Ult Gen then this endless Ult spam would no longer work, and right now there are things inside the game to try and stop it now they probably arent doing that well but I dont care I barely play.

What is Cheat Engine?

Cheat engine is a debug program that yes CAN be used for cheating, I use it for memory scanning programs to see if there is a backdoor, its also useful for scanning for variables. With that being said Cheat Engine comes with no bypasses to the most simple of anti cheating measures, and every game developer in the world knows about it meaning that its "Detected" and will continue to be. ZOS can make a simple patch that can stop Cheat Engine, the fact that and I quote "Cheat Engine is an open source tool designed to help you with modifying single player games running under window so you can make them harder or easier depending on your preference", So the fact that this OPEN SOURCE tool can work on a multiplier game like ESO is a absolute EMBARRASSMENT to the entire staff at ZOS as its a SINGLE PLAYER cheating open source tool.

Are Certain addons cheats? AutoBreak, Miats PvP Alerts, etc.?

No these are not "Cheats" or "Hacks" these are Addons that interact with the games API. Well what is the API well it allows 3rd party devs to develop UI based "mods" for the game to help the UI display more information. Let me explain that Game DEVELOPERS who include a API into the game for players to interact with SHOULD 100% KNOW ALL FUNCTIONS AND ABILITIES a player or players can do with the API and when they are satisfied with it they should believe without a reasonable doubt that the players can not use it for "Cheating" measures and should know the API backwards and forwards. No addon is a cheat, if Miats PvP alerts was a cheat then so is Raid Notifier as it tells you the mechanics and were they are going in a boss fight, WAIT WHAT?!?! So is skyshards as it displays all the locations of the skyshards to players ruining the games mechanic of finding them on your own and using a "Exploit" to find them instead. Does it sound stupid that Skyshards, Raid alert, and Pvp alerts are a cheat? of course because it is.

So please stop saying everyone is cheating, everyone has a cheat addon, everyone has this and that. No, less then 1% of the player base is "Cheaters" and I say that because I cant 100% confirm that 100% of the player base arent cheaters. This ruins the entire games honesty when these accusations get thrown around, just because a couple of people a year ago knew how to open up a program and run a scan on the game and change 1 freakin variable to something else now everyone is a hacker. Its ZOS *** inablility to put in a single Anti cheat measure into the game for a absolute guarantee there are no cheaters, I made a Anti Cheat within a week for a server I owned and it stopped a very good portion of players.

P.S. Everything on the servers is logged.... thats right if you spammed 50 meteors guess what.... the server has a log with your name on it that says it had 20 meteors in 5 seconds go off... UH OH. Will zos do something probably not or maybe a 12 hour ban idk.

Thogard

Sharee wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

Sorry man, but if you know how a server sided game works there is little you can actually do with cheat engine. Everything is logged on the server and the server will never trust the client.

For example, you could never spam 20 meteors in a row because the server would know you don't have enough ult to cast the second one.

Oh wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E

that was 2 years ago and caused all the variables to be switched to the server.

It's been laggy ever since.

Mayrael

SpiderCultist wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

It's kind of impossible to detect such activities as game (pvp mostly) itself is so broken that you can't differentiate if it's cheat or game itself.

It's not that impossible to implement a cheat detection subsystem with or without admin privileges, just detect the signature of some well-known cheat programs, including macros, and flag those who use them. If they persist, ban them. Because at the moment and just an example, it's just ridiculous some mice or keyboards can get you 3 shields within less than a sec when playing a sorcerer by pressing 1 button. And of course, CE should be hunted down #1.

If they could add Red Shell into this game, they might implement an anticheat detector, it's not that much to ask.

Issue with signatures is that all they (cheats coders) need to do is to change a bit their code and boom, signature won't work. Maybe if ZOS could detect specific memory addresses (responsible for stats) in program code this could work, but then there are bit shifts etc. so you can mask it in the code, it's hard task to detect things like that unfortunately

SirDopey

Zelos wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

Sorry man, but if you know how a server sided game works there is little you can actually do with cheat engine. Everything is logged on the server and the server will never trust the client.

For example, you could never spam 20 meteors in a row because the server would know you don't have enough ult to cast the second one.

Oh wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E

Yep little you can do like I said. If you want me to explain in depth I will . I never said there was nothing you couldn't do.

Sharee wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

I never said there was absolutely nothing you could do.

"The server will never trust the client"

Yep so Ill do more in depth so you can stop acting like a fool. Lets say I shoot a arrow in ESO just a LA, in a Client Sided game when I shoot that arrow Im in charge of following it and seeing if it hits something and if It does then I determine what kind of damage it does. In a Server Sided game the server is in charge of simulating that arrow, follows where it goes and if it hits someone the server decides what kind of damage it does. This is why most MMORPGS are all ran from the server and are server sided. However there are certain things that the server doesnt need to control like Ult gen, its one of the only things inside ESO that is controlled through the Client.

Whats so bad about it being Client Sided? What If ESO was Client Sided? Would it make the servers faster?

The answer is yes the server and lag right now would be a lot faster, but the Server would 100% trust the Client if the client said it hit someone and the Client would determine what kind of damage it does. So I could right a simple script inject it into the game and when I do I could aim at the ground with a bow and start shooting and everyone all over cyrodiil would start dying, because that script would start Teleporting the arrows into peoples body no matter how close and since I control what damage it does I will make it deal 1,000,000 damage to everyone.

So why is the Server not controlling Ult Gen?

Because anything the server doesnt need to ABSOLUTELY track it shouldnt, so it makes the load lighter no matter what. Since Ult is generated 3 at a time usually why bother tracking it? Well if the server started tracking Ult Gen then this endless Ult spam would no longer work, and right now there are things inside the game to try and stop it now they probably arent doing that well but I dont care I barely play.

What is Cheat Engine?

Cheat engine is a debug program that yes CAN be used for cheating, I use it for memory scanning programs to see if there is a backdoor, its also useful for scanning for variables. With that being said Cheat Engine comes with no bypasses to the most simple of anti cheating measures, and every game developer in the world knows about it meaning that its "Detected" and will continue to be. ZOS can make a simple patch that can stop Cheat Engine, the fact that and I quote "Cheat Engine is an open source tool designed to help you with modifying single player games running under window so you can make them harder or easier depending on your preference", So the fact that this OPEN SOURCE tool can work on a multiplier game like ESO is a absolute EMBARRASSMENT to the entire staff at ZOS as its a SINGLE PLAYER cheating open source tool.

Are Certain addons cheats? AutoBreak, Miats PvP Alerts, etc.?

No these are not "Cheats" or "Hacks" these are Addons that interact with the games API. Well what is the API well it allows 3rd party devs to develop UI based "mods" for the game to help the UI display more information. Let me explain that Game DEVELOPERS who include a API into the game for players to interact with SHOULD 100% KNOW ALL FUNCTIONS AND ABILITIES a player or players can do with the API and when they are satisfied with it they should believe without a reasonable doubt that the players can not use it for "Cheating" measures and should know the API backwards and forwards. No addon is a cheat, if Miats PvP alerts was a cheat then so is Raid Notifier as it tells you the mechanics and were they are going in a boss fight, WAIT WHAT?!?! So is skyshards as it displays all the locations of the skyshards to players ruining the games mechanic of finding them on your own and using a "Exploit" to find them instead. Does it sound stupid that Skyshards, Raid alert, and Pvp alerts are a cheat? of course because it is.

So please stop saying everyone is cheating, everyone has a cheat addon, everyone has this and that. No, less then 1% of the player base is "Cheaters" and I say that because I cant 100% confirm that 100% of the player base arent cheaters. This ruins the entire games honesty when these accusations get thrown around, just because a couple of people a year ago knew how to open up a program and run a scan on the game and change 1 freakin variable to something else now everyone is a hacker. Its ZOS *** inablility to put in a single Anti cheat measure into the game for a absolute guarantee there are no cheaters, I made a Anti Cheat within a week for a server I owned and it stopped a very good portion of players.

P.S. Everything on the servers is logged.... thats right if you spammed 50 meteors guess what.... the server has a log with your name on it that says it had 20 meteors in 5 seconds go off... UH OH. Will zos do something probably not or maybe a 12 hour ban idk.

Wait. There's an addon the auto breaks free?

DanteYoda

There is a 100% way to avoid cheaters in pvp.. Don't pvp.