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Is cheat engine back on the rise?
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »MetalHead4x4 wrote: »@jabrone77 I can 100% recreate the invisible/skipping around bug on demand. I tested with a buddy and sent the footage to ZoS explaining it.
It’s definitely not always intentional when it occurs for some people though since playing on a WiFi connection often causes it and some people simply can’t hard line to their router
I am hard wired into my internet, but still, lag was the cause.
Unless you mean them.
Still, asking around in chat, this was happening to everyone.
I'm willing to say that is not a cheat, just another example of server instability.
I’m saying they’re lagging, sometimes intentionally, and their iffy connection to the server causes this. If you unplug your connection and use WiFi, especially a bad(or busy) connection you can replicate this with a friend for testing purposes.
@MetalHead4x4 I actually obviously DO know more about what CE can do than most of the playerbase.
Again thats a very broad assumption that you think you know more than anyone else about CE.
Who says it’s an assumption? I was quite good friends with a couple of the people who exposed CE in the first place and I’d say it’s safe to say that the discussions I’ve had with them both before and after the whole spamming meteor incident that I do know more than most people. Especially when you consider forums are a fraction of the playerbase and some people don’t even know about CE working on ESO at all.
I’m definitely reinstalling ESO on PC in the near future and showing exactly what CE can and can’t do because there’s a ton of misinformation out there
Don't become another pseudo-martyr...just don't. You will lose your reputation and maybe even friends.
My reputation isn’t tied to a video game and my friends wouldn’t care in the slightest, I don’t associate with people who are so petty as to not be my friend over a video game anyway.
I just think that clearly demonstrating exactly what is possible will be a great resource for the community and for ZoS. People will know definitively that a lot of the stuff in this thread is just BS and ZoS should hopefully get less reports.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
You're starting to sound very similar to some people that use to be very active on these forums saying that they didn't use CE and were just better than everyone else. When they got busted spamming meteor we were all meant to believe this was the first time they used it and it was for the purpose of bringing it to Zos' attention.......
Yeah, except if you played on my platform you’d know there are an absolute ton of people who are way better than me. Why you think it’s taken me like a month to get footage for a PvP video and will take me 2-3 more weeks to sort through it and find anything notable. If I was cheating I would be producing content much more aggressively since I’d get all the clips in the world.
Oh, and cheating on Xbox can end up with your whole system banned from online play. Nice try though.
Insisting that cheating is almost impossible in this game is an absolute fallacy, though. Especially insisting that it only happens in PVE, especially when there's a video out from just three weeks ago, that has been mentioned in this thread, showcasing what certain programs can currently do, in Cyrodiil.
Cheating is alive, and well, in this game, and insisting it isn't is only hurting yourself. I won't accuse you of cheating, but you can't ignore this evidence.
I said almost 0 and primarily in PVE. You’re the one trying to push me into speaking absolutes. The fact is, 99%+ of the playerbase isn’t cheating, but the majority of cheating is in PVE anyway. People have been exploiting snipe glitches in trials openly for years and it occurs on a daily basis.
Now kindly stop putting words in my mouth and say something to actually discredit my arguement. You can’t...
I was implying your ESO gaming reputation, it wasn't personal
I think you mistook my concern. I remember you when you were on PC and in EPHS with me. It was a long time ago. I just don't want people to be always questioning your abilities once you pull a CE stunt for youtube for the community. If you want to have a bigger impact on your console community or PC community, perhaps doing this is going inspire others to start using CE. You may not have that intent and just want to clarify a lot of the ins and outs of what is actually capable of being done. But people look for any opportunity to witch hunt... Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!1 -
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✭✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »
Its pretty rational to me, do you jump off cliffs and hope you wont break legs and necks as well... or do you avoid the cliffs all together..
And jumping from cliffs is about as silly as doing online pvp these days..There is a 100% way to avoid cheaters in pvp.. Don't pvp.
Don’t act like this is just a pvp thing.
Many players banned in the last big CE sweep were strictly (or mostly) pve. It was so rampant in raiding groups that the scoring was entirely weighted around cheating and Zeni had to wipe the leaderboards.
Now it seems like every other week there’s a new trial exploit people are using. AS and MoL being the most notorious, but that doesn’t meant it’s not happening in the others.
Please check your bias against pvp.
I never said it doesn't, but people cheating in pve affects me very little.. maybe economy wise and looks stupid with trains of botters.. but pvp cheating is right there killing you and nothing you can do about it.. Avoidance is the smartest plan imo..Edited by DanteYoda on September 13, 2018 3:26AM2 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..Edited by DanteYoda on September 13, 2018 3:53AM4 -
VirtualElizabeth✭✭✭✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »@jabrone77 I can 100% recreate the invisible/skipping around bug on demand. I tested with a buddy and sent the footage to ZoS explaining it.
It’s definitely not always intentional when it occurs for some people though since playing on a WiFi connection often causes it and some people simply can’t hard line to their router
I am hard wired into my internet, but still, lag was the cause.
Unless you mean them.
Still, asking around in chat, this was happening to everyone.
I'm willing to say that is not a cheat, just another example of server instability.
I’m saying they’re lagging, sometimes intentionally, and their iffy connection to the server causes this. If you unplug your connection and use WiFi, especially a bad(or busy) connection you can replicate this with a friend for testing purposes.
@MetalHead4x4 I actually obviously DO know more about what CE can do than most of the playerbase.
Again thats a very broad assumption that you think you know more than anyone else about CE.
Who says it’s an assumption? I was quite good friends with a couple of the people who exposed CE in the first place and I’d say it’s safe to say that the discussions I’ve had with them both before and after the whole spamming meteor incident that I do know more than most people. Especially when you consider forums are a fraction of the playerbase and some people don’t even know about CE working on ESO at all.
I’m definitely reinstalling ESO on PC in the near future and showing exactly what CE can and can’t do because there’s a ton of misinformation out there
Please do this because I want the facts as well. I think many players believe CE can do much more than it actually can.@ElizabethInTamriel; @ElizabethInESO
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..
Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.
It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.
Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »MetalHead4x4 wrote: »@jabrone77 I can 100% recreate the invisible/skipping around bug on demand. I tested with a buddy and sent the footage to ZoS explaining it.
It’s definitely not always intentional when it occurs for some people though since playing on a WiFi connection often causes it and some people simply can’t hard line to their router
I am hard wired into my internet, but still, lag was the cause.
Unless you mean them.
Still, asking around in chat, this was happening to everyone.
I'm willing to say that is not a cheat, just another example of server instability.
I’m saying they’re lagging, sometimes intentionally, and their iffy connection to the server causes this. If you unplug your connection and use WiFi, especially a bad(or busy) connection you can replicate this with a friend for testing purposes.
@MetalHead4x4 I actually obviously DO know more about what CE can do than most of the playerbase.
Again thats a very broad assumption that you think you know more than anyone else about CE.
Who says it’s an assumption? I was quite good friends with a couple of the people who exposed CE in the first place and I’d say it’s safe to say that the discussions I’ve had with them both before and after the whole spamming meteor incident that I do know more than most people. Especially when you consider forums are a fraction of the playerbase and some people don’t even know about CE working on ESO at all.
I’m definitely reinstalling ESO on PC in the near future and showing exactly what CE can and can’t do because there’s a ton of misinformation out there
Don't become another pseudo-martyr...just don't. You will lose your reputation and maybe even friends.
My reputation isn’t tied to a video game and my friends wouldn’t care in the slightest, I don’t associate with people who are so petty as to not be my friend over a video game anyway.
I just think that clearly demonstrating exactly what is possible will be a great resource for the community and for ZoS. People will know definitively that a lot of the stuff in this thread is just BS and ZoS should hopefully get less reports.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
You're starting to sound very similar to some people that use to be very active on these forums saying that they didn't use CE and were just better than everyone else. When they got busted spamming meteor we were all meant to believe this was the first time they used it and it was for the purpose of bringing it to Zos' attention.......
Yeah, except if you played on my platform you’d know there are an absolute ton of people who are way better than me. Why you think it’s taken me like a month to get footage for a PvP video and will take me 2-3 more weeks to sort through it and find anything notable. If I was cheating I would be producing content much more aggressively since I’d get all the clips in the world.
Oh, and cheating on Xbox can end up with your whole system banned from online play. Nice try though.
Insisting that cheating is almost impossible in this game is an absolute fallacy, though. Especially insisting that it only happens in PVE, especially when there's a video out from just three weeks ago, that has been mentioned in this thread, showcasing what certain programs can currently do, in Cyrodiil.
Cheating is alive, and well, in this game, and insisting it isn't is only hurting yourself. I won't accuse you of cheating, but you can't ignore this evidence.
I said almost 0 and primarily in PVE. You’re the one trying to push me into speaking absolutes. The fact is, 99%+ of the playerbase isn’t cheating, but the majority of cheating is in PVE anyway. People have been exploiting snipe glitches in trials openly for years and it occurs on a daily basis.
Now kindly stop putting words in my mouth and say something to actually discredit my arguement. You can’t...
I was implying your ESO gaming reputation, it wasn't personal I think you mistook my concern. I remember you when you were on PC and in EPHS with me. It was a long time ago. I just don't want people to be always questioning your abilities once you pull a CE stunt for youtube for the community. If you want to have a bigger impact on your console community or PC community, perhaps doing this is going inspire others to start using CE. You may not have that intent and just want to clarify a lot of the ins and outs of what is actually capable of being done. But people look for any opportunity to witch hunt...
I do appreciate the concern. I just honestly think ZoS should open up and tell us exactly what CE can do, transparency will only benefit both parties.
I can buy an account for like $5 these days, I just have to get my wife to agree to it, fingers crossed
@ZOS_GinaBrunoEdited by Lexxypwns on September 13, 2018 4:44AM1 -
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✭I also use CheatEngine for Survivability[Vitality Pots] and CE is great for damage also [Infused Oblivion enchant] and not to mantion the speed hack[swift] l2p scrubos.4 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..
Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.
It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.
Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.
Most doctors are and i'm an anti Vaccer.. Funnily the people i know that get vaccinated are always the sickest when they finally do catch something.. Its a dangerous money making scam that will bite the human race in the ass if its not stopped..
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Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..
Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.
It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.
Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.
Most doctors are and i'm an anti Vaccer.. Funnily the people i know that get vaccinated are always the sickest when they finally do catch something.. Its a dangerous money making scam that will bite the human race in the ass if its not stopped..
But hey off topic..
Yes... The polio vaccine was an absolute failure in essentially eradicating that disease.
But to point, knowing how to use something and choosing to do so are two totally different things. And if it's choosing not to vaccinate and putting others at risk or choosing to use CE and risk being banned from the game, one must be willing to accept the consequences of one's own actions.Edited by Siohwenoeht on September 13, 2018 5:50AM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard6 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »MetalHead4x4 wrote: »@jabrone77 I can 100% recreate the invisible/skipping around bug on demand. I tested with a buddy and sent the footage to ZoS explaining it.
It’s definitely not always intentional when it occurs for some people though since playing on a WiFi connection often causes it and some people simply can’t hard line to their router
I am hard wired into my internet, but still, lag was the cause.
Unless you mean them.
Still, asking around in chat, this was happening to everyone.
I'm willing to say that is not a cheat, just another example of server instability.
I’m saying they’re lagging, sometimes intentionally, and their iffy connection to the server causes this. If you unplug your connection and use WiFi, especially a bad(or busy) connection you can replicate this with a friend for testing purposes.
@MetalHead4x4 I actually obviously DO know more about what CE can do than most of the playerbase.
Again thats a very broad assumption that you think you know more than anyone else about CE.
Who says it’s an assumption? I was quite good friends with a couple of the people who exposed CE in the first place and I’d say it’s safe to say that the discussions I’ve had with them both before and after the whole spamming meteor incident that I do know more than most people. Especially when you consider forums are a fraction of the playerbase and some people don’t even know about CE working on ESO at all.
I’m definitely reinstalling ESO on PC in the near future and showing exactly what CE can and can’t do because there’s a ton of misinformation out there
Don't become another pseudo-martyr...just don't. You will lose your reputation and maybe even friends.
My reputation isn’t tied to a video game and my friends wouldn’t care in the slightest, I don’t associate with people who are so petty as to not be my friend over a video game anyway.
I just think that clearly demonstrating exactly what is possible will be a great resource for the community and for ZoS. People will know definitively that a lot of the stuff in this thread is just BS and ZoS should hopefully get less reports.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
You're starting to sound very similar to some people that use to be very active on these forums saying that they didn't use CE and were just better than everyone else. When they got busted spamming meteor we were all meant to believe this was the first time they used it and it was for the purpose of bringing it to Zos' attention.......
Yeah, except if you played on my platform you’d know there are an absolute ton of people who are way better than me. Why you think it’s taken me like a month to get footage for a PvP video and will take me 2-3 more weeks to sort through it and find anything notable. If I was cheating I would be producing content much more aggressively since I’d get all the clips in the world.
Oh, and cheating on Xbox can end up with your whole system banned from online play. Nice try though.
Insisting that cheating is almost impossible in this game is an absolute fallacy, though. Especially insisting that it only happens in PVE, especially when there's a video out from just three weeks ago, that has been mentioned in this thread, showcasing what certain programs can currently do, in Cyrodiil.
Cheating is alive, and well, in this game, and insisting it isn't is only hurting yourself. I won't accuse you of cheating, but you can't ignore this evidence.
I said almost 0 and primarily in PVE. You’re the one trying to push me into speaking absolutes. The fact is, 99%+ of the playerbase isn’t cheating, but the majority of cheating is in PVE anyway. People have been exploiting snipe glitches in trials openly for years and it occurs on a daily basis.
Now kindly stop putting words in my mouth and say something to actually discredit my arguement. You can’t...
Now see, if I were trying to push you into an absolute argument, I would have said you were insisting that cheating was impossible, full stop. You cannot truly judge what percentage of the playerbase is cheating, therefore it is not fact.
If you are getting defensive, that is not because of me. Kindly do not put words in my mouth.
I can say that the official stats say we’re over 10m players and that less than 10,000 players are cheating. Would you argue that more than 10k players are cheating? 100k? 1m?
No way this game has 10m active players. Link to official stats?Edited by LegacyDM on September 13, 2018 6:04AMLegacy of Kain
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mongoLC✭✭✭✭its never stopped ffs. but its super bad now you people not even taking damage from a destro ult with 3400 spell damage and 42k mag how the *** does that happen?3
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mongoLC✭✭✭✭actually its getting worse everyday because all you have to do is google it and you will learn how to inject commands into the client and avoid the global cool down and also port anywhere you want on the map and zos does *** nothing!5
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »MetalHead4x4 wrote: »@jabrone77 I can 100% recreate the invisible/skipping around bug on demand. I tested with a buddy and sent the footage to ZoS explaining it.
It’s definitely not always intentional when it occurs for some people though since playing on a WiFi connection often causes it and some people simply can’t hard line to their router
I am hard wired into my internet, but still, lag was the cause.
Unless you mean them.
Still, asking around in chat, this was happening to everyone.
I'm willing to say that is not a cheat, just another example of server instability.
I’m saying they’re lagging, sometimes intentionally, and their iffy connection to the server causes this. If you unplug your connection and use WiFi, especially a bad(or busy) connection you can replicate this with a friend for testing purposes.
@MetalHead4x4 I actually obviously DO know more about what CE can do than most of the playerbase.
Again thats a very broad assumption that you think you know more than anyone else about CE.
Who says it’s an assumption? I was quite good friends with a couple of the people who exposed CE in the first place and I’d say it’s safe to say that the discussions I’ve had with them both before and after the whole spamming meteor incident that I do know more than most people. Especially when you consider forums are a fraction of the playerbase and some people don’t even know about CE working on ESO at all.
I’m definitely reinstalling ESO on PC in the near future and showing exactly what CE can and can’t do because there’s a ton of misinformation out there
Don't become another pseudo-martyr...just don't. You will lose your reputation and maybe even friends.
My reputation isn’t tied to a video game and my friends wouldn’t care in the slightest, I don’t associate with people who are so petty as to not be my friend over a video game anyway.
I just think that clearly demonstrating exactly what is possible will be a great resource for the community and for ZoS. People will know definitively that a lot of the stuff in this thread is just BS and ZoS should hopefully get less reports.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
You're starting to sound very similar to some people that use to be very active on these forums saying that they didn't use CE and were just better than everyone else. When they got busted spamming meteor we were all meant to believe this was the first time they used it and it was for the purpose of bringing it to Zos' attention.......
Yeah, except if you played on my platform you’d know there are an absolute ton of people who are way better than me. Why you think it’s taken me like a month to get footage for a PvP video and will take me 2-3 more weeks to sort through it and find anything notable. If I was cheating I would be producing content much more aggressively since I’d get all the clips in the world.
Oh, and cheating on Xbox can end up with your whole system banned from online play. Nice try though.
Insisting that cheating is almost impossible in this game is an absolute fallacy, though. Especially insisting that it only happens in PVE, especially when there's a video out from just three weeks ago, that has been mentioned in this thread, showcasing what certain programs can currently do, in Cyrodiil.
Cheating is alive, and well, in this game, and insisting it isn't is only hurting yourself. I won't accuse you of cheating, but you can't ignore this evidence.
I said almost 0 and primarily in PVE. You’re the one trying to push me into speaking absolutes. The fact is, 99%+ of the playerbase isn’t cheating, but the majority of cheating is in PVE anyway. People have been exploiting snipe glitches in trials openly for years and it occurs on a daily basis.
Now kindly stop putting words in my mouth and say something to actually discredit my arguement. You can’t...
I was implying your ESO gaming reputation, it wasn't personal I think you mistook my concern. I remember you when you were on PC and in EPHS with me. It was a long time ago. I just don't want people to be always questioning your abilities once you pull a CE stunt for youtube for the community. If you want to have a bigger impact on your console community or PC community, perhaps doing this is going inspire others to start using CE. You may not have that intent and just want to clarify a lot of the ins and outs of what is actually capable of being done. But people look for any opportunity to witch hunt...
I do appreciate the concern. I just honestly think ZoS should open up and tell us exactly what CE can do, transparency will only benefit both parties.
I can buy an account for like $5 these days, I just have to get my wife to agree to it, fingers crossed
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Actually that's not a bad idea.
At least it could force ZOS to do something about possible cheating.
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The real question is not how many ESO players cheat, but rather how many get that∆∆ lol
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✭✭✭✭✭The only people I have ever seen accuse someone of hacking, macros, or cheat engine are people who are:
1. Brand new to PvP
2. Extremely bad despite significant time spent practicing
3. There is no 3, it’s literally just those two.
Once in a very great while, I'll see something where I go... "hmm, something doesn't add up here." But, yeah, not enough to actually go off and accuse someone of cheating.0 -
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LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..
Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.
It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.
Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.
Most doctors are and i'm an anti Vaccer.. Funnily the people i know that get vaccinated are always the sickest when they finally do catch something.. Its a dangerous money making scam that will bite the human race in the ass if its not stopped..
But hey off topic..
Off the top of my head, Cholera, polio, measles, mumps, typhoid, various hepatitis strains, diphtheria, smallpox and tetanus all have vaccines that have saved and will continue to save lives throughout the modern world. Some of these have been eradicated due to vaccines. I've had every single one of these vaccines and am glad that I did. Would rather be safe than sorry then suffer through anyone of these bad boys. Step on a rusty nail? Your going to wish you had the tetanus vaccination. Rust is a nasty bacteria that will cause paralysis and could lead to death if untreated.
Do we all need a flu vaccination and is it overly commercialized to make money? Sure, but don't over generalize and dismiss the dangers listed above. Hell, even the military vaccinates it's soldiers fighting in hazard zones within the Middle East wth Anthrax vaccines. Hell, I got vaccinated at boot camp with the horse shot and arm guns. You think the military is in the business of giving money away to the drug companies just for the hell of it? No there is a justifiable reason why they vaccinate.
What ever vaccination myth you bought into has been debunked by the journal of Medicine years ago. The guy who came up with the conspiracy theory has been descredited by the scientific community and is a crackpot hack. Do the research.
Now, getting back to CE. Your claims are irrational. Zos does have detection in place for CE.
However, I do believe there are work arounds for being undetected. I also experience stuff that is sometimes unexplainable. I ran into 2 people in IC the other night and were unkillable, never ran out of resources, and hit like a truck. They had 42k health and never ran out of resources even though they sprinted throughout the whole fight and every rotation I kept fearing. they broke the fear like 15 times In a row and never ran out of stamina. Both, my stam NB friend, and my Templar friend couldn't do anything to them either. My friend was jabbing them to death and nothing. Finally, we got them split apart and 3v1 we couldn't get him to run out of resources and he kept sprinting around hitting like a truck when he had the opportunity. Finally, we gave up and left. Yeah I think CE or a like program is being used. Do I think it's wide spread? No. I think a handful or so of people are using it. From my understanding it's a fairly complicated Program to use now and find tables for it. and to configure undetection is also tricky.Edited by LegacyDM on September 13, 2018 7:56AMLegacy of Kain
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✭✭I'm more curious as to what if any system is in place to detect cheats. It obviously doesn't pick up bot programs.
I've seen pvpers using bot programs in serk to farm db and they are still kicking around.
I've also faced ppl that hit like a truck but barely take a dent when I'm at 6k damage fully buffed. Could be that they are really good at keeping buffs up etc. Who knows, right?2 -
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✭✭People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.
Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource
The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..
Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.
It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.
Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.
I thnk the point to be made is I don't think many actually know what is client side and what is server side right now.
Sure, you have some ideas... and on those you are probably right.
It would be helpful to actually know conclusively though. Like officially...
Lexxy's proposition sounds risky for him, I think it would be helpful to know what exactly can be manipulated first hand to allay some suspicions.1 -
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✭✭The questions I'd like to see answered:
What stats can be manipulated? Health? Stamina? Magicka? The corresponding regens?
Physical or Spell resist?
Crit rate? Critical Resistance?
Proc rate or durations?
Position?
Jump height and length?
Does Noclip still work?
Can animation speeds still be increased?
Can movement speed just be passively increased to cap?
Can you alter dodge chance? Can you alter the effect of major or minor buffs? Their duration?
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✭Between all the bugs, exploits, lack of knowledge about the game mechanics (just one example:MetalHead4x4 wrote: »...but the 8 second DoT you see it ticking off them... miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss. How can every single DoT be missing? There's no possible way in hell you can consistently dodge that many times.
and a lot ofDunning-Kruger: Online
CE is still a thing. E.g., do you remember the guy changing his max health to several 100k via memory modification and posting a video on this very forum to prove a point? This was only a few months ago, and thus after ZOS presumably installed their anti-cheat sanity checks.
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✭✭Honestly I haven't encountered a player I thought might be cheating in ages on PC/NA.
But you are actually good at the game soooooooo... Yeah.
There are a few exploits here and there and there are some macros people can use as well. But with how the game works currently cheat engine should not be a problem at all.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭I joined Legends a long time ago and since then learned how to step up my game. I learned things, and improved my game play. I have several videos on my YouTube with my magicka sorc tanking groups of players in keeps. Does this mean I am using cheat engine?
I can tell you from experience you cant 1vX good players, especially as magicka. These players we do 1vX are terrible. They follow me in straight lines around rocks/towers, have no situational awareness, and simply do not understand anything about pvp to merit a valid opinion. Instead of learning, they get hot headed and come here accusing us of cheating.
I have a compilation video of a shocking "famous" player on PC NA DC who has reported me probably 100 times now, showing video from his stream when I kill him and then video from my side when I kill him. He clearly isnt familiar with the concept of delayed burst, and neither are a lot of other newbs.
I will however not doubt for a second there are still addons out there giving edges to players that shouldn't happen. I never agreed with Miats crutches, and I do think addons like that are a display of poor sportsmanship.
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Thalmor-Nordmaster✭✭✭✭✭Regarding the 100k edit, That would be @andy_s of the psijic order guild. CE is just one option in the toolkit. Other more costly debuggers and programs exist that manipulate client side info. Zeni does have cheat protection in place. However, it is not adequate to the task. They know that they cannot stop 100 percent of the cheaters.
Questions to ask are; can they detect if a system is running DBVM? or VM ?
Are they merely process scanning?
The older thread died a horrible death as this one probably will due to back and forth bickering.
If you guys want this thread to stay open keep it constructive and if you suspect cheating then do what ZeniMax asked. provide video proof.
Video or it didn't happen. Comments on this thread about a cousin's sister's third aunts dad seeing something floating in the sky is not proof. That is what killed the old thread.
It did not stay on topic. It turned into the Macro can or cannot debacle and C.E. could or could not debacle. any owned to the core can do some internet research and see numerous active exploits are currently active. And those that are looking for them to use them have over 20 accounts in some cases.
Keep it on topic and professional and maybe we can have a thread that does some good. Things are being actively exploited and ZeniMax knows this. We know they know it. It would be nice to see a Z post in here on the topic and not the Z post about having to remove comments.
In truth, ZeniMax did not shut down the thread we did by not keeping it professional. Let us do it differently this time.
Thank you all and keep up the good fight. If I see something I will say something and I will have video proof.
The evidence is what will win our case
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✭✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »I have a compilation video of a shocking "famous" player on PC NA DC who has reported me probably 100 times now, showing video from his stream when I kill him and then video from my side when I kill him. He clearly isnt familiar with the concept of delayed burst, and neither are a lot of other newbs.
I'm pretty sure someone at ZOS has written a script by now to just auto-delete his reports.1 -
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@rfennell_ESO I can say for 100% certain that after the meteor spam incident that everything of value except for player position was moved server side. I cannot say if they are still there, but I’ve had specific discussion with some of the players involved that made a point to test out a lot of thing. I also know that you can manipulate player positioning without any 3rd party software because I can easily cause position desyncs just by bottle necking my internet connection.
I think their logic was that positional hacking was easy to notice for players and people wouldn’t be so willing to do that as they were to add another 800 stam regen, something you couldn’t really notice when fighting them.0 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭In my experience most stuff called cheating in PVP is either lag or lack of knowledge. Many players dont understand how to play their own class effectively, much less they know about any other. They just see someone running around and melting ppl like butter in the sun and they cry "cheating" because they cannot imagine that there is such a huge range of superior gameplay beyond their own skills.
But ofc there are notorious cheaters as well. Just look out for the immortal dwemer sphere. Whenever you see a player that has a constant 100% uptime with it, you know you see a cheater. There is a lot more out there (teleportation hacks with noclip seem to be pretty popular atm). But most players cheat because they cannot hold their own in fair competion, so even with their cheats they are not really impressive opponents.1 -
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✭✭I'm beginning to believe that my "Near immortal tanks" mega discussion was the prologue to all this recent cheating issue.
I described tanks who can't die despite 20++ players trying to kill them for an extremely long time.
This was also introduced in Update 19.
So maybe this wasn't just OP sets, maybe they used third party cheating program too.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/431310/near-immortal-tanks-introduced-update-19#latestEdited by Universe on September 13, 2018 4:22PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
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