Is cheat engine back on the rise?

Lake

Not really. This isn't BDO.

themaddaedra

SpiderCultist wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

It's kind of impossible to detect such activities as game (pvp mostly) itself is so broken that you can't differentiate if it's cheat or game itself.

It's not that impossible to implement a cheat detection subsystem with or without admin privileges, just detect the signature of some well-known cheat programs, including macros, and flag those who use them. If they persist, ban them. Because at the moment and just an example, it's just ridiculous some mice or keyboards can get you 3 shields within less than a sec when playing a sorcerer by pressing 1 button. And of course, CE should be hunted down #1.

If they could add Red Shell into this game, they might implement an anticheat detector, it's not that much to ask.

What i'm saying is server performance is so creepy that the player can actually cast it normally, but on your screen it can seem like cheat. A few months ago i posted here a video of myself getting rekt by 2 lethal arrows. I didn't see anything until after death. I was moving, everything was ok then suddenly my stamina and magicka dropped to zero, then i fell dead and after that my hp got to zero and i heard snipe sounds and hits on my character. I didn't have any visible lag to cause that. So i could either say it's a cheat or it's the server rendering ages later, we wouldn't really know which is which.

With an anticheat detector they could discard things like a player X (who gets reported for instance) is probably not using hacks, at least not one included in their database. And given that, we could more safely say your death was due to lag, don't you think? It would be healthier for the game and I repeat, that's easy to implement, heck, even Diablo 2 had an anticheat hardcoded mini-database implemented in C++ in the 90s which got constantly updated with every incremental patch. You know what's the real problem here? It's people play this game and spend a lot of money, the more money you spend on this game, the less chances you'll have to get banned, no matter what, so we're screwed anyway.

Looks like i'm talking about individual players and you are talking about ZoS. I'm saying that i as a player alone can't say if it's cheat or not. Dunno if ZoS can detect it.

Salvas_Aren

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

There are some very good players who are hard to kill and who hit hard but they always have strategies to restore resources and use terrain well, they often get accused of cheating - they are not.

Other players are average one minute and god like the next. Its like they flipped a switch, maybe they did, proving it is difficult.

The first is true. These are builds that have a very complex rotation and a weird gear up.

The second can be true. It could be as well a player, who needs to lose aggro to switch gear.

Emma_Overload

SpiderCultist wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

It's kind of impossible to detect such activities as game (pvp mostly) itself is so broken that you can't differentiate if it's cheat or game itself.

It's not that impossible to implement a cheat detection subsystem with or without admin privileges, just detect the signature of some well-known cheat programs, including macros, and flag those who use them. If they persist, ban them. Because at the moment and just an example, it's just ridiculous some mice or keyboards can get you 3 shields within less than a sec when playing a sorcerer by pressing 1 button. And of course, CE should be hunted down #1.

If they could add Red Shell into this game, they might implement an anticheat detector, it's not that much to ask.

No mouse or keyboard can bypass the GCD and give you 3 shields in 1 second.

Savos_Saren

Jameliel wrote: »

There are a few people I've fought/seen fighting who seem to have it all. They hit like a Mac truck, RSS never get low, non-stop sprinting...I understand there are stamina/speed potions...I use them myself, but they take it to another level. Seems implausible to be able to have that much weapon damage and unending-amount of rss at the same time.

Something else that has happened less frequently is me getting marked while stealthed and cloaked. I understand well how detect pots work since I also use those at times. What to do though? Shrug.....

That, my friend, would be a StamDen. They're fast and have a very powerful Shalks, DBoS, execute combo.

Ashtaris

Universe wrote: »

Well this discussion should give you an hint:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/434211/wonder-woman-in-eso#latest

The picture in that thread is NOT very convincing. There are a lot of hidden collision planes you can get on if you are so inclined to find them. A video showing the person flying around would have been much more convincing, like the one @FENGRUSH showed over a year ago that actually showed people flying around in PVP dropping meteor bombs one right after the other. That’s what finally made ZOS open their eyes and admit there was a cheating problem in ESO.

EDIT: The video shown in the above posting is pretty convincing as well. Sheesh.

Universe

Ashtaris wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

Well this discussion should give you an hint:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/434211/wonder-woman-in-eso#latest

The picture in that thread is NOT very convincing. There are a lot of hidden collision planes you can get on if you are so inclined to find them. A video showing the person flying around would have been much more convincing, like the one @FENGRUSH showed over a year ago that actually showed people flying around in PVP dropping meteor bombs one right after the other. That’s what finally made ZOS open their eyes and admit there was a cheating problem in ESO.

I received in a PM a link to a video showing someone flying and teleporting in Cyrodiil.
This video was taken just a few weeks ago after the latest update.
The video had character and account names visible, so the creator of the video probably didn't want to risk naming and shaming by posting it in the forums.
There is definitely real cheating lately.
You can search Youtube, you will find new videos showing some very suspicious activities.

Prabooo

I suggest you hang around Elden Root's wayshrine, where people are duelin'... You will find surprises there...

Prabooo

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Riseyy wrote: »

Ive had things happen to me such as 2-4 dizzy swings hitting in one second, DoTs from the same skill hitting more times than they should in a second

Some skills are just bugged like that, especially in laggy pvp environment. Dizzying swing, snipe, etc cause this desync bug when you instanly die and see several snipes on your death recap.
That's the problem. ZOS coding is bad. ZOS servers are laggy. So there's no way to know for sure if someone is cheating/exploting or not unless it's something outrageous like meteor showers or flying around at sonic speed.

one of the things this cheat engine can do is lag other players... Someone demonstrated this for me sometime ago, a player who could just freeze my game at will while we were in duel... I almost stop playing this game for this... I learned to ignore this elements

Prabooo

jabrone77 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

This is why i couldn't handle playing on PC.

I have my doubts about many console players as it is, let alone if they had easy access to the macros / CE / add on crap pc does.

Sure many people that cry cheat are wrong, and haven't seen the spec or ability people cam achieve. But then when you see the same players always doing odd stuff or taking advantage, the doubt is there.

I've seem the same team of 4 blinking invisible on two separate nights. I'm WELL aware it could be coincidence.....but.....

This was a year ago, but still shows that cheating happens on console.
This is PS4. You can clearly see this players health cannot go to zero, he's/she's dropping banners left and right, sometimes 4 at a time (and they have a high ultimate cost), doing no healing or any defensive measure....just dropping ultimates and spamming steel tornado. Also cannot be bashed.
You can see other members of his faction enter the tower and get obliterated, there's so much damage going on. But somehow, this person cannot be killed.

https://youtu.be/8kLbQY3Trxk

Cheating happens on console too.

Edit: I agree cheating gets thrown around way too often, and isn't always the case. Because of that, I think it's far too easy to dismiss someone who's actually cheating.
There's a huge difference between getting beat by a good player, and someone like in the above video.

LOL

Eirella

I don't know about CE, but lag and bugs are definitely on the rise.

kookster

Honestly I haven't encountered a player I thought might be cheating in ages on PC/NA.

NBrookus

I see some iffy stuff every now and then, but at this point it's impossible to accurately judge between exploits, lag, bugs and just terrible balance.

runagate

NBrookus wrote: »

I see some iffy stuff every now and then, but at this point it's impossible to accurately judge between exploits, lag, bugs and just terrible balance.

I've seen images of Chinese botters' requests for in-game help that (amazingly idiotically) included cheat apps' GUI in the screenshots.

Different from PvP exploiting but nonetheless using CE and botting apps.

I've also personally submitted multi-page chat logs/screenshots of entire PvP guilds discussing how and why they were going to cause everyone else to lag out. Admittedly in 2014 but it included names you'd be very familiar with, some of whom were finally banned eventually for other things. And some of whom returned.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

I would say yes. I was fighting a red at DC LM and it was just he and I there and he hit me with wrecking blow, steel tornado AND EYE of the Storm which was constantly up. Last I saw, you had to have a destroy staff equipped to have Eye of the Storm.

Didgerion

MajBludd wrote: »

Is cheat engine and other 3rd party hacks on the rise again?

If you think so, post your stories and pics for the devs to see!

No names, remember ToS

It is not a cheat engine, it is just exploiting the sets, CP tree and a Class.
And remember it is not called 'exploiting' unless ZOS tells so. And the ban is short one (1-2 days) if you've been found guilty by a ZOS employee.

Datthaw

The one I swear people have, but have absolutely 0 proof of, is a cc break macro. I swear some people break it faster than I animation cancel my cast.

Maybe I'm just slow? Idk but it's always been the one suspicion I have.

ResTandRespeC

There might be a couple people who have managed too some sort of hack or cheat, yes. How commonly? No where near often as most people who make posts claiming it, think. The reason i say its possible is simply because there's no way to know for sure its not happening. What is happening though is the game being a laggy and glitchy mess. 999,999 times out of a million if you think you got killed by a "hack" its either a glitch, lag, or a mechanic you don't understand.

ResTandRespeC

SpiderCultist wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

It's kind of impossible to detect such activities as game (pvp mostly) itself is so broken that you can't differentiate if it's cheat or game itself.

It's not that impossible to implement a cheat detection subsystem with or without admin privileges, just detect the signature of some well-known cheat programs, including macros, and flag those who use them. If they persist, ban them. Because at the moment and just an example, it's just ridiculous some mice or keyboards can get you 3 shields within less than a sec when playing a sorcerer by pressing 1 button. And of course, CE should be hunted down #1.

If they could add Red Shell into this game, they might implement an anticheat detector, it's not that much to ask.

What i'm saying is server performance is so creepy that the player can actually cast it normally, but on your screen it can seem like cheat. A few months ago i posted here a video of myself getting rekt by 2 lethal arrows. I didn't see anything until after death. I was moving, everything was ok then suddenly my stamina and magicka dropped to zero, then i fell dead and after that my hp got to zero and i heard snipe sounds and hits on my character. I didn't have any visible lag to cause that. So i could either say it's a cheat or it's the server rendering ages later, we wouldn't really know which is which.

With an anticheat detector they could discard things like a player X (who gets reported for instance) is probably not using hacks, at least not one included in their database. And given that, we could more safely say your death was due to lag, don't you think? It would be healthier for the game and I repeat, that's easy to implement, heck, even Diablo 2 had an anticheat hardcoded mini-database implemented in C++ in the 90s which got constantly updated with every incremental patch. You know what's the real problem here? It's people play this game and spend a lot of money, the more money you spend on this game, the less chances you'll have to get banned, no matter what, so we're screwed anyway.

Both unfortunately and fortunately there are already some anti cheat measures. When they implemented them it caused a whole lot of the problems with lag we currently face today. They moved most calculations from client side to server side.

Ardan147

ZOS ought to sue the makers of Cheat Engine. Publishers of online games have successfully sued the makers of cheating programs in the past. Make the marketing of software designed to enable one to cheat in online games a sure path to bankruptcy, and there will be a lot less of it. At the very least, it would raise the bar on the level of skill necessary to run such cheats; there are perfectly legitimate uses for programs which are able to view and alter the memory of other running processes, and any such program could be repurposed to enable one to cheat in an online game. Though it would probably take considerably more skill to use a program for which the publisher provides absolutely no support at all for usage in that manner and for which it is a violation of the program's EULA to use it to violate the TOS of any online service; than one specifically marketed as a means of cheating and comes with extensive documentation and tutorials and other resources dedicated to that specific usage.

JiKama

Sometimes I do feel like someone may cheat in PvP, but you have to think of all of the different builds, foods, and set combos. Some people just have great builds and know how to play it to perfection. I played against 3 people over the weekend in BGs and they just dominated over everyone. It was a stamden/magden and magplar. Literally unkillable while obliterating you in 2 seconds. I still find Stamdens to be OP in PvP, but maybe it's just me

Ashtaris

Ardan147 wrote: »

ZOS ought to sue the makers of Cheat Engine. Publishers of online games have successfully sued the makers of cheating programs in the past. Make the marketing of software designed to enable one to cheat in online games a sure path to bankruptcy, and there will be a lot less of it. At the very least, it would raise the bar on the level of skill necessary to run such cheats; there are perfectly legitimate uses for programs which are able to view and alter the memory of other running processes, and any such program could be repurposed to enable one to cheat in an online game. Though it would probably take considerably more skill to use a program for which the publisher provides absolutely no support at all for usage in that manner and for which it is a violation of the program's EULA to use it to violate the TOS of any online service; than one specifically marketed as a means of cheating and comes with extensive documentation and tutorials and other resources dedicated to that specific usage.

For one thing, the author of CE “claims” that it was created to cheat on single player games only, not MMO’s. However, that doesn’t keep people from using it for MMO cheating. If nothing else, cheaters and hackers are usually resourceful. Another thing is if the author is in Europe or other country, I doubt ZOS would spend the money to hire lawyers to chase this guy down. And probably they wouldn’t do it unless the cheating got so bad that there was a massive rage quit from a lot of players. They know it’s going on, but there is probably a breaking point before they take action.

N00BxV1

People say macros are impossible... Well, you can get instant weaving just by binding LA+Skill to a macro/hotkey - it may not be anything extravagant but it's still a macro and possibly an advantage. The bottom line is people just don't know what is possible until someone does it, and there is always someone out there willing to take the challenge.

Drakkdjinn

It’s the swift, my dudes.

mook-eb16_ESO

A good cheat is one that doesn't get caught. As long as a game requires input client side then cheating/automation of certain processes are possible. . As far as I know the client as not very secure. I wouldn't be suprised if people were able to freeze stats from one set wear another set and amalgamate all the top stats into to one build.
We know how buggy this game is, even this guy in the video at zero health could be suffering from a bug. I've played whilst the client thinks I'm dead and have been un killable: though I haven't seen this bug in a long time on pc. He may have found some sort of broken set or exploit and here n lies the problem. eso only survives on new content, new content/items/traits ads more variables, more variables means more untested possibilities. it's a slippery slope. exploit or cheat you wont be able to tell.

JimmyJuJu

I run a healer build in Cyro sporting light armor + 1 heavy chest piece. I die so much there are only 2 possibilities:

1. Everyone else cheats
2. I'm not very good

Introspection is hard.

JimmyJuJu

jabrone77 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

This is why i couldn't handle playing on PC.

I have my doubts about many console players as it is, let alone if they had easy access to the macros / CE / add on crap pc does.

Sure many people that cry cheat are wrong, and haven't seen the spec or ability people cam achieve. But then when you see the same players always doing odd stuff or taking advantage, the doubt is there.

I've seem the same team of 4 blinking invisible on two separate nights. I'm WELL aware it could be coincidence.....but.....

This was a year ago, but still shows that cheating happens on console.
This is PS4. You can clearly see this players health cannot go to zero, he's/she's dropping banners left and right, sometimes 4 at a time (and they have a high ultimate cost), doing no healing or any defensive measure....just dropping ultimates and spamming steel tornado. Also cannot be bashed.
You can see other members of his faction enter the tower and get obliterated, there's so much damage going on. But somehow, this person cannot be killed.

https://youtu.be/8kLbQY3Trxk

Cheating happens on console too.

Edit: I agree cheating gets thrown around way too often, and isn't always the case. Because of that, I think it's far too easy to dismiss someone who's actually cheating.
There's a huge difference between getting beat by a good player, and someone like in the above video.

This is on par with the meteor spammer from a few years back. Ugh. What a disgrace. I love the response from your group, though. Stand and heal in defiance. Well-played.

chimneyswift_ESO

It could be.

I fought a player in IC the other day, and everything about each fight I had with him seemed really suspicious. Here are some details on what happened:

- Location: Vivec Imperial City
- Enemy player was a Nightblade
- Number of fights: 4-5 (can't exactly remember)
- Enemy won every single fight

So my first interaction with this player they were FAST and they bursted me down pretty quick, but in my defense I was standing there looking at skills or something stupid. So I came back to the same district to enact some revenge with the hopes of getting a fair 1v1. As I began the 2nd fight I couldn't help but notice again how fast they were moving. Keep in mind I'm an Orc DK with 2 Swift Jewelry and 5 pieces of medium armor. I've done extensive testing on player speed, the speed cap, etc. and this guy certainly felt like he was moving faster than the speed cap. Heck, my own toon while sprinting hits the cap easy, so in theory nothing should move faster than me while sprinting. On top of the speed, this player seemed to have crazy dodge ability. Granted, it could be the speed but on one fight in particular I was literally following him out in the open at full speed (so no chance for him to LoS) and not a single one of my light attacks were hitting...which was literally all I was trying to attack him with at that point. I had so much trouble landing any sort of attack in previous fights that I just thought "well let's just see if some basic light attacks will work." Nope. They weren't running evasion, I certainly didn't see him using Blur or any of it's morphs, and he wasn't using cloak during these times...it was the strangest thing. Finally on the times when I did manage to get him low (usually with some attacks landing and then using Take Flight), not a single one of my reverse slices would hit and he would just zip away and cloak.

I've done a lot of PvP in my day and these fights certainly felt questionable. I kept coming back to fight him because I was really annoyed but also really wanted to figure out what the heck was going on. After the 5th loss I whispered him and asked him how many Swift jewelry he was using. His responses were jovial and he was overall fairly nice but then linked me his 3 jewelry items which were Blue Level Hulking Draugr jewels-- all Robust. Of course he could've just lied about his build and sent me whatever he wanted, but if that was in fact the jewelry he was wearing I was dumbfounded.

TL;DR
I fought a super speedy, and mostly un-hittable nightblade in IC. I reported him. Nothing will probably come of this but oh well. Have a nice Monday lol

kojou

Its sometimes difficult to tell if it is cheating or a good player, but if someone is taking no damage and hitting like a truck, then we assume cheating and move on...

Loralai_907

Generally I don't think people are cheating, or at least my mind doesn't go there when I lose, which is often. The single time I was like wth is going on, I watched a dude hover above the ground, then shoot up some and hover and then shoot up some more and hover, and then he was gone. I looked for him and found him on top of a front tower like 3 seconds later. This was at Fare, and I originally saw him near the front of the keep. Just for purposes of yeah no you did not cover that distance in a normal way in that amount of time. I did report the player with screenshots and moved on with my life. Basically, unless something that weird is going on, I'm not assuming anyone is "cheating"