NA PC Vivec final score August 2018

LeifErickson · August 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

I havent Eso pvp all week, thanks god that forums pvp exist.

Agreed. Forum pvp is the best pvp, it even has the upside if being lag free.

Ohh and gvgs. Gvgs are the next best pvp, and notable the only pvp upon which sucess is actually measurable.

Its a shame the large scale gvg scene didnt take of nearly as well as the smallscale one has. In this regard i am envious of the small scale scene.

What do you consider large scale? I thought large scale gvg was pretty active.

IZZEFlameLash · August 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Population and map rn:

awwwww poor AD!

It is weekend only occurence really. Week day occurence is the other story. Especially for NA weekends are only times where many ADs stay up late. It is as if almost all AD has some sort of real life lives on the week day lives. If this was more consistent occurence, scoreboard would be with AD on the lead. Not EP by 2~3k or so consistently.

Nice job with blending a solid explanation of population levels with calling EP a bunch of no lifers, LOL.

Lawl my bad if that sounded like that. Not the best with wordings.

VaranisArano · August 2018

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Population and map rn:

awwwww poor AD!

It is weekend only occurence really. Week day occurence is the other story. Especially for NA weekends are only times where many ADs stay up late. It is as if almost all AD has some sort of real life lives on the week day lives. If this was more consistent occurence, scoreboard would be with AD on the lead. Not EP by 2~3k or so consistently.

Nice job with blending a solid explanation of population levels with calling EP a bunch of no lifers, LOL.

Lawl my bad if that sounded like that. Not the best with wordings.

All good, I'm EP and I thought it was hilarious

Vilestride · August 2018

LeifErickson wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

I havent Eso pvp all week, thanks god that forums pvp exist.

Agreed. Forum pvp is the best pvp, it even has the upside if being lag free.

Ohh and gvgs. Gvgs are the next best pvp, and notable the only pvp upon which sucess is actually measurable.

Its a shame the large scale gvg scene didnt take of nearly as well as the smallscale one has. In this regard i am envious of the small scale scene.

What do you consider large scale? I thought large scale gvg was pretty active.

If i had to put a group number on it i would say large scale is 10 and up. I am sure many smallscale players would consider more than 4 to be largescale which is fair. I am admittetly a large scale zergling so my opinion on the matter is obviously bias. I am just a player who is reminiscent of when the large scale scene was respectable and feilded many of the undoubtedly best guilds in the game.

Elong · August 2018

Flake wrote: »

This thread is amazing...

I've bloody enjoyed it, particularly the Trump "FAKE NEWS" impersonations whenever I bring up a point

.

Mickydanz · August 2018

What is a campaign score? does it reward anything good?

WaltherCarraway · August 2018

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Pretty sure you belong in EP Hit Squad no? Didn't know they didn't do comms at all.

Ask Courier.

VDSA is the only occasion EPHS would do voice comm

vane000 · August 2018

Everyone come AD, we have bow light attacks. Apparently we also have wall of elements even though it doesn't knock back. Together we will zerg down keeps by glitching postern walls by knocking back only the bricks with our wall of damage, then continue with our bow light attacks.

Elong · August 2018

vane000 wrote: »

Everyone come AD, we have bow light attacks. Apparently we also have wall of elements even though it doesn't knock back. Together we will zerg down keeps by glitching postern walls by knocking back only the bricks with our wall of damage, then continue with our bow light attacks.

I'm still crying with laughter about that.

Vilestride · August 2018

Mickydanz wrote: »

What is a campaign score? does it reward anything good?

It rewards you the abilty to hold it over and troll people who for whatever wayward and sensless reason care about it.

For me, winning campains by thousands of points has become particularly integral to ensuring the supply of whingy 'AD needs help' threads/posts continues. No in-game reward could ever be as satisfying as this.

Minnesinger · August 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

What is a campaign score? does it reward anything good?

It rewards you the abilty to hold it over and troll people who for whatever wayward and sensless reason care about it.

For me, winning campains by thousands of points has become particularly integral to ensuring the supply of whingy 'AD needs help' threads/posts continues. No in-game reward could ever be as satisfying as this.

Show me one of those threads or comments?

Elong · August 2018

AD Poplocked, EP 3 bars, DC 3 bars.

#Weekends

Minnesinger · August 2018

Elong wrote: »

AD Poplocked, EP 3 bars, DC 3 bars.

#Weekends

Right so Elong.

IZZEFlameLash · August 2018

Elong wrote: »

AD Poplocked, EP 3 bars, DC 3 bars.

#Weekends

It's their prime time maybe? Just as you said? Who knows. Or maybe AD finally figured out the secrets to winning like EPs.

Elong · August 2018

Minnesinger wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

AD Poplocked, EP 3 bars, DC 3 bars.

#Weekends

Right so Elong.

2 hours later

I haven't been in Cyro, but I'm glad this thread seems to have sparked some interest in the map for AD. Healthy competition makes for a healthy Cyrodiil! Look forward to seeing you out there in the future

Vilestride · August 2018

Minnesinger wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

What is a campaign score? does it reward anything good?

It rewards you the abilty to hold it over and troll people who for whatever wayward and sensless reason care about it.

For me, winning campains by thousands of points has become particularly integral to ensuring the supply of whingy 'AD needs help' threads/posts continues. No in-game reward could ever be as satisfying as this.

Show me one of those threads or comments?

Ghostbane · August 2018

#weekdays

HaroniNDeorum · August 2018

Ghostbane wrote: »

#weekdays

Maaaan i need that, best dance ever!

Minnesinger · August 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

What is a campaign score? does it reward anything good?

It rewards you the abilty to hold it over and troll people who for whatever wayward and sensless reason care about it.

For me, winning campains by thousands of points has become particularly integral to ensuring the supply of whingy 'AD needs help' threads/posts continues. No in-game reward could ever be as satisfying as this.

Show me one of those threads or comments?

I'm Glad you asked. Some of my favourites from the last few months alone.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426012/pc-vivec-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425398/ad-united-pc-na-vivec#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416101/a-rally-for-ad-to-drop-shor-and-come-back-to-vivec-pc-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/421496/pc-na-ad-vivec/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427805/crossfaction-players-pc-na-vivec#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427435/pc-na-vivec-alessia#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426105/pc-na-ep-overpopulation-need-more-ep-players-to-reroll/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/421990/top-10-reasons-ad-is-awesome#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/420740/low-pop-bonus#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/420537/low-pop-bonus-vivec-pc-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419841/june-2018-na-vivec-campaign-ending#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/429121/campaign-scoring-vivec-pc-na#latest

I'd dig through some other threads that eventually derailed into 'poor AD' threads for some comments to but I think I'd hit the forum character limit.

Haha you have added any campaign thread as AD whining for more help. The point seems not to be asking for help but underline the issue why pvp isn´t fun. Surprisingly Forums are meant for discussion. EP has a long string of success and their population quarantees there is no change in sight. There is not really competition and current tendency with EP seems to be that they are happy this way. Very sad to complain about AD when the problem is EP. You have really seen trouble here I give you that. Still sad. How about use that energy to figure out why EP has won so many times and actually question where is the balance. Pointing out facts isn´t cry for help but constructive dialogue to change the current situation.

Vilestride · August 2018

Minnesinger wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

What is a campaign score? does it reward anything good?

It rewards you the abilty to hold it over and troll people who for whatever wayward and sensless reason care about it.

For me, winning campains by thousands of points has become particularly integral to ensuring the supply of whingy 'AD needs help' threads/posts continues. No in-game reward could ever be as satisfying as this.

Show me one of those threads or comments?

I'm Glad you asked. Some of my favourites from the last few months alone.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426012/pc-vivec-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425398/ad-united-pc-na-vivec#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416101/a-rally-for-ad-to-drop-shor-and-come-back-to-vivec-pc-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/421496/pc-na-ad-vivec/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427805/crossfaction-players-pc-na-vivec#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427435/pc-na-vivec-alessia#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426105/pc-na-ep-overpopulation-need-more-ep-players-to-reroll/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/421990/top-10-reasons-ad-is-awesome#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/420740/low-pop-bonus#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/420537/low-pop-bonus-vivec-pc-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419841/june-2018-na-vivec-campaign-ending#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/429121/campaign-scoring-vivec-pc-na#latest

I'd dig through some other threads that eventually derailed into 'poor AD' threads for some comments to but I think I'd hit the forum character limit.

Haha you have added any campaign thread as AD whining for more help. The point seems not to be asking for help but underline the issue why pvp isn´t fun. Surprisingly Forums are meant for discussion. EP has a long string of success and their population quarantees there is no change in sight. There is not really competition and current tendency with EP seems to be that they are happy this way. Very sad to complain about AD when the problem is EP. You have really seen trouble here I give you that. Still sad. How about use that energy to figure out why EP has won so many times and actually question where is the balance. Pointing out facts isn´t cry for help but constructive dialogue to change the current situation.

Call whatever you want just keep my popcorn coming please.

Also as a side, I'm very pleased to see #weekdays taking off. Solid work @elong.

Minnesinger · August 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

What is a campaign score? does it reward anything good?

It rewards you the abilty to hold it over and troll people who for whatever wayward and sensless reason care about it.

For me, winning campains by thousands of points has become particularly integral to ensuring the supply of whingy 'AD needs help' threads/posts continues. No in-game reward could ever be as satisfying as this.

Show me one of those threads or comments?

I'm Glad you asked. Some of my favourites from the last few months alone.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426012/pc-vivec-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425398/ad-united-pc-na-vivec#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416101/a-rally-for-ad-to-drop-shor-and-come-back-to-vivec-pc-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/421496/pc-na-ad-vivec/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427805/crossfaction-players-pc-na-vivec#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427435/pc-na-vivec-alessia#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426105/pc-na-ep-overpopulation-need-more-ep-players-to-reroll/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/421990/top-10-reasons-ad-is-awesome#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/420740/low-pop-bonus#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/420537/low-pop-bonus-vivec-pc-na/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419841/june-2018-na-vivec-campaign-ending#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/429121/campaign-scoring-vivec-pc-na#latest

I'd dig through some other threads that eventually derailed into 'poor AD' threads for some comments to but I think I'd hit the forum character limit.

Haha you have added any campaign thread as AD whining for more help. The point seems not to be asking for help but underline the issue why pvp isn´t fun. Surprisingly Forums are meant for discussion. EP has a long string of success and their population quarantees there is no change in sight. There is not really competition and current tendency with EP seems to be that they are happy this way. Very sad to complain about AD when the problem is EP. You have really seen trouble here I give you that. Still sad. How about use that energy to figure out why EP has won so many times and actually question where is the balance. Pointing out facts isn´t cry for help but constructive dialogue to change the current situation.

Call whatever you want just keep my popcorn coming please.

Also as a side, I'm very pleased to see #weekdays taking off. Solid work @elong.

As well I didn´t expect more than that. Just calling out what is utterly bullcrap.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · August 2018

@Vilestride
One of my personal favourites https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413286/vivec-a-death-server/p1

biminirwb17_ESO · August 2018

PVP Campaigns are won by the alliance with the greatest numbers for the most time, simple math. No amount of hubris by the usual suspects can change this.

ZoS has stated that EP has the most players (NA PC) 38% from memory. This means AD and DC are at 31% (if their populations are even). An advantage that is shown by the EP population indicator being higher most of the time.

When populations are even, prime time mostly, the fights are even. The skill level in all alliances is similar, its just numbers.

Sacredx · August 2018

Regarding some comments about organised gvgs. Gvgs in eso exist in two forms; official and unofficial.

As it stands, the game does not have the necessary means to provide a fair system with rules in place to facilitate two guilds formally and fairly fighting one another. This is fact.

The only official gvgs that do exist are those that are fought naturally on the field. There are no rules of engagement other than to beat the opposition.

The unofficial gvgs that guilds organise among themselves are based on a common agreement. There are usually rules, just take a look at the small scale gvg thread as an example. Sides choose a time and place.

My point is that there are two different styles of gvgs that are not compatible with each other. There is no 'best' style as there is a different set of rules for each.

One guild might measure their performance based on the official style and the other based on the unofficial style; or even both as two separate entities. Every guild has their right to choose how they want to play.

At TKG we prefer the official way and if other guilds want to test themselves then they are more than welcome. We are always after more competition. I encourage everyone to participate in group pvp and to help your group grow and enjoy the experience.

Sacredx · August 2018

Also

frozywozy · August 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

Regarding some comments about organised gvgs. Gvgs in eso exist in two forms; official and unofficial.

As it stands, the game does not have the necessary means to provide a fair system with rules in place to facilitate two guilds formally and fairly fighting one another. This is fact.

The only official gvgs that do exist are those that are fought naturally on the field. There are no rules of engagement other than to beat the opposition.

The unofficial gvgs that guilds organise among themselves are based on a common agreement. There are usually rules, just take a look at the small scale gvg thread as an example. Sides choose a time and place.

My point is that there are two different styles of gvgs that are not compatible with each other. There is no 'best' style as there is a different set of rules for each.

One guild might measure their performance based on the official style and the other based on the unofficial style; or even both as two separate entities. Every guild has their right to choose how they want to play.

At TKG we prefer the official way and if other guilds want to test themselves then they are more than welcome. We are always after more competition. I encourage everyone to participate in group pvp and to help your group grow and enjoy the experience.

I agree that what you like the most is the official way and therefore should be the most reasonable and fair for everyone.

ellahellabella · August 2018

Ghostbane wrote: »

#weekdays

What's he got in his hand? Are those salt packets?!

VaranisArano · August 2018

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

PVP Campaigns are won by the alliance with the greatest numbers for the most time, simple math. No amount of hubris by the usual suspects can change this.

ZoS has stated that EP has the most players (NA PC) 38% from memory. This means AD and DC are at 31% (if their populations are even). An advantage that is shown by the EP population indicator being higher most of the time.

When populations are even, prime time mostly, the fights are even. The skill level in all alliances is similar, its just numbers.

See, that's the thing about memory.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26349

And, finally, here's some additional numbers that might surprise:

Most popular race: High Elf (14.98% of all characters)
Most popular Alliance: Ebonheart Pact (36.33% of all characters)
Most PvP Kills by Alliance: Ebonheart Pact (122,490,253 kills)

Unfortunately, ZOS didn't give us the data to know whether or not that 36.33% correlates to the EP PVP population or whether its extra roleplayers thanks to Skyrim and Morrowind nostalgia, and this came out before Summerset where I'd expect AD to pick up a bunch more Altmer roleplayers. So maybe that number is accurate for PVP, maybe its higher or lower.

Personally, I suspect the high EP population has more to do with the way EP hasn't come below 2nd Place in Vivec since February 2018 (I don't have the scores for December or January, sadly) and has won Vivec 4 times consecutively since AD last won in April. Yeah, we've got organized guilds who have stayed loyal to the EP faction and some that have tried to balance the map, but the bandwagon players know who's winning on PC/NA Vivec, and that tends to reinforce what that core of faction loyalists and dedicated EP guilds are already doing to win the campaign for EP. Meanwhile, AD won July 2017 and April 2018, and frankly continues to complain in the forums about losing and thinking up strategies to win that don't seem to work out over 30 days, which doesn't seem to me to be the best way to attract bandwagon players who only want to play on the winning side back to AD so that AD's core of committed players actually have some back-up.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/423940/a-year-of-pc-na-vivec-victories-need-help-filling-in-the-blanks

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · August 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

Regarding some comments about organised gvgs. Gvgs in eso exist in two forms; official and unofficial.

As it stands, the game does not have the necessary means to provide a fair system with rules in place to facilitate two guilds formally and fairly fighting one another. This is fact.

The only official gvgs that do exist are those that are fought naturally on the field. There are no rules of engagement other than to beat the opposition.

The unofficial gvgs that guilds organise among themselves are based on a common agreement. There are usually rules, just take a look at the small scale gvg thread as an example. Sides choose a time and place.

My point is that there are two different styles of gvgs that are not compatible with each other. There is no 'best' style as there is a different set of rules for each.

One guild might measure their performance based on the official style and the other based on the unofficial style; or even both as two separate entities. Every guild has their right to choose how they want to play.

At TKG we prefer the official way and if other guilds want to test themselves then they are more than welcome. We are always after more competition. I encourage everyone to participate in group pvp and to help your group grow and enjoy the experience.

I'm sorry but your definition is flawed.

a GvG in the state that it's being discussed is a competitive event. All competitive events have rules and constraints.
The purpose of said rules is to ensure that a result can be reasonably measured in a level environment.

Sporting events also ban drugs, standardise equipment used based on various constraints and equalise numbers or weight brackets.

For example the rules for most GvGs we have fought have been as simple as follows
1) bring the same amount of players
2) fight without siege (on the merit of your own players)
3) no crouch stealth

In addition normally there is also a no resing rule although not always.

Rules such as 6v6 have been added to control the type and style of fight for a number of reasons the rules are up to the organising guilds and those that compete there.

What you refer to as "natural gvg" is simply just openworld pvp complete with unbalanced numbers and pugs on either side. Defending a keep with your faction and wiping a guild sieging there solo isn't a gvg.
Official cannot be used to describe what you mean.
You declined to participate in gvgs period. Official or unofficial cannot be labeled to it in the way you are attempting to do so to validate yourselves.
It's simple. If you want to comment on other groups performance you should be prepared to back up your words with actions.

Reverb · August 2018

Dear Diary,

For years I engaged in the drama and angst of eso pvp forum threads. I would spend hours debating population imbalance, off-peak hours map capping, scoreboard, leader board, cheating (both alleged and factual), gate camping, resource swapping, and scroll hijinx.

Now I find myself completely detached. I just don't care. I can't tell if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

Regards, Rev