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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.Edited by Merlin13KAGL on June 27, 2018 3:43PMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
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testd4n1✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
No. You are NOT getting crowns. You are getting an IN GAME ITEM. There is no way to convert the item back into crowns or convert crowns into an non in-game item. Real world currency is only viewed at as a non in-game item here.Edited by testd4n1 on June 27, 2018 6:26PM4 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm confused...
Old Post says It is NOT allowed.
New updates state it IS allowed
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
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Might as well do it anyway and use the new update as excuse if punished because IT IS AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT.0 -
Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
No. You are NOT getting crowns. You are getting an IN GAME ITEM. There is no way to convert the item back into crowns or convert crowns into an non in-game item. Real world currency is only viewed at as a non in-game item here.
You didn't get my point. Buying the crowns and getting the mount, pet, dlc, etc. yourself or asking someone else to get the mount, pet, dlc, etc. from the crown store and send it to you it's exactly the same.
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
No. You are NOT getting crowns. You are getting an IN GAME ITEM. There is no way to convert the item back into crowns or convert crowns into an non in-game item. Real world currency is only viewed at as a non in-game item here.
You didn't get my point. Buying the crowns and getting the mount, pet, dlc, etc. yourself or asking someone else to get the mount, pet, dlc, etc. from the crown store and send it to you it's exactly the same.
It's not according to Gina.0 -
Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
No. You are NOT getting crowns. You are getting an IN GAME ITEM. There is no way to convert the item back into crowns or convert crowns into an non in-game item. Real world currency is only viewed at as a non in-game item here.
You didn't get my point. Buying the crowns and getting the mount, pet, dlc, etc. yourself or asking someone else to get the mount, pet, dlc, etc. from the crown store and send it to you it's exactly the same.
It's not according to Gina.
Gina DID NOT say "Currency", she said "Items". So, I'm still not sure. You buy items with currency, so how can you consider "Currency" an item? When currency is something you use to buy items.
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
No. You are NOT getting crowns. You are getting an IN GAME ITEM. There is no way to convert the item back into crowns or convert crowns into an non in-game item. Real world currency is only viewed at as a non in-game item here.
Disappointing when they ask a question that was directly answered by the post they are responding to. You would think people would read the posts they respond to.
But if their point was that you can farm gold now to get crown store items by finding someone willing to trade, that is a valid point.
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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
No. You are NOT getting crowns. You are getting an IN GAME ITEM. There is no way to convert the item back into crowns or convert crowns into an non in-game item. Real world currency is only viewed at as a non in-game item here.
Disappointing when they ask a question that was directly answered by the post they are responding to. You would think people would read the posts they respond to.
But if their point was that you can farm gold now to get crown store items by finding someone willing to trade, that is a valid point.
Can people gift upgrades, like DLC?
I meant the OTHER response from Gina. And Gina hasn't confirmed yet if CURRENCY is considered an ITEM or not, even when she was asked with the straght question for a Yes or No.
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AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
No. You are NOT getting crowns. You are getting an IN GAME ITEM. There is no way to convert the item back into crowns or convert crowns into an non in-game item. Real world currency is only viewed at as a non in-game item here.
Disappointing when they ask a question that was directly answered by the post they are responding to. You would think people would read the posts they respond to.
But if their point was that you can farm gold now to get crown store items by finding someone willing to trade, that is a valid point.
Can people gift upgrades, like DLC?
I meant the OTHER response from Gina. And Gina hasn't confirmed yet if CURRENCY is considered an ITEM or not, even when she was asked with the straght question for a Yes or No.
Gold is an in-game item, as defined by the Terms of Service and EULA. Anything within the Service (i.e. game) is considered a part of that Service (i.e. a part of the game). Gold is not considered a virtual currency, as it is not purchased with real currency.
However, the Terms of Service also define things which fall under virtual currency as in-game items. Since virtual currency is also defined as having no value, and is accepted as part of the Service, Crowns are also technically considered an in-game item, even if they are not currently trade-able between players.PC-NA Goat0 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »And what people are forgetting is you're not getting Crowns. You're getting an item bought with Crowns, an in-game item, bought with another in game item, in trade for gold (which is also only obtainable in game.)
Pretty sure, by very definition, this makes gold an in game item.
Zero IRL currency or IRL item of value is being exchanged here, and it's not a far walk to determine that if you trade an item worth [insert tooltip gold vendor value here], then you could exchange that amount of gold the same way.
It's been answered. No need to make it harder than it needs to be.
Another way to look at it, is you can't convert IRL $ into gold (violation of ToS), and you can't convert gold into IRL $ (still gold selling, as someone would have to produce the $). This is neither of those things.
As such gold has in game 'value' only.
So, you mean that we can buy crowns from TESO website, Steam and Twitch using IRL money and NOW ALSO from players using in-game gold?
No. You are NOT getting crowns. You are getting an IN GAME ITEM. There is no way to convert the item back into crowns or convert crowns into an non in-game item. Real world currency is only viewed at as a non in-game item here.
Y'all already got it covered
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »To clarify, trading an in-game item for other in-game items is allowed; trading in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.
@ZOS_GinaBruno nice dipolamtic answer but what they are doing is in fact is using real world money, no matter what way you put it, to buy crowns with real life money and then trade for in game gold is skirting the terms, so in other terms like with guild trades it has become p2w.Main character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »To clarify, trading an in-game item for other in-game items is allowed; trading in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.
@ZOS_GinaBruno nice dipolamtic answer but what they are doing is in fact is using real world money, no matter what way you put it, to buy crowns with real life money and then trade for in game gold is skirting the terms, so in other terms like with guild trades it has become p2w.
How is it pay to win? I get the pay part, but not the win part.0 -
MerlinPendragon✭✭✭✭Even if it is pay to win, there is nothing wrong with that. At least with this were paying each other so that it is two players getting the benefit instead of ZOS getting 100% of the benefit._____________________________________
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Suddwrath✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »To clarify, trading an in-game item for other in-game items is allowed; trading in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.
But the question is...is a Crown Store item considered an in-game item (since it is found in-game) or a out-of-game since it's purchased with crowns ie real money? That seems to be where all the confusion is.
A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item.
This makes sense. It used to bother me hearing about the crown-for-gold trading going on, but since both crown store items and gold are considered "in-game items" without any real world value it makes sense why it isn't considered trading money for gold. Since they are both considered in-game items ZOS might as well allow crown store items to appear in the trading window just to make the process simpler and to give both parties peace about not being scammed out of their crowns/gold.0 -
testd4n1✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »To clarify, trading an in-game item for other in-game items is allowed; trading in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.
But the question is...is a Crown Store item considered an in-game item (since it is found in-game) or a out-of-game since it's purchased with crowns ie real money? That seems to be where all the confusion is.
A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item.
This makes sense. It used to bother me hearing about the crown-for-gold trading going on, but since both crown store items and gold are considered "in-game items" without any real world value it makes sense why it isn't considered trading money for gold. Since they are both considered in-game items ZOS might as well allow crown store items to appear in the trading window just to make the process simpler and to give both parties peace about not being scammed out of their crowns/gold.
But it was designed as a gifting system, so I doubt this will ever happen.0 -
MerlinPendragon✭✭✭✭ZOS should create secure way to trade gifts/crowns for gold/items_____________________________________
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People still don’t understand this post and are using screenshots to try and prove that you can’t buy crown items for gold....0
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DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They are both in game items... Man how hard is it to understand..
You cannot buy gold outside of the game..0 -
Fubar8✭✭Since it's okay to do so, I would like to exchange some of my golds with crown store items, mostly DLCs. If any one of you is down for it, feel free to PM.
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ktdotexe✭✭✭EDIT: not sure this "Mykael" is a credible source. We really need an iron clad, unquestionable statement here. He is more than credible, trust me. 0 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm trying to imagine a big trading guild selling crown store items for gold
"Crown traders ", Welcome, please respect the rules and sell 14 500 crown per week minimum to stay in the guild !
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Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@DoctorESO , I asked to a Moderator on the french side, here is what he said ( I will trad)
Hello,
It is forbidden to exchange Ingame items with real money, or to trade them with real items. On the other hand, you can exchange ingame items with the currency of the game, namely the gold coins.
Then i asked if crown store items are considered as " Ingame items ", he said me:
The items in the Crown store are considered as Ingame items
This mean you can trade crown store items for gold because they are considerer as ingame items. As said gina.Edited by Apherius on July 2, 2018 5:57PM6 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So, is there an acceptable crown vs gold exchange rate yet?
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So selling crown itams via gifting isn't aloud then why was it even put in the game if gifting will get your accout ban all together ?Edited by Kitsune2200 on July 4, 2018 12:16PM1
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