[Class Rep] Templar Feedback Thread

EtTuBrutus

Delparis wrote: »

Can we ask that living dark changes to heal you every time a Light attack is used ?

Envelop yourself in a lightless sphere for 4 seconds to protect yourself. Anytime an enemy uses a light attack against you, the sphere lashes back, snare (60%) them for 3 seconds and healing you for the light attack dmg. These effects can occur once every half second.

Go away

Delparis

Just give templar something like sorc (as if there are many sorc tank)

https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/encase

Abyssmol

Delparis wrote: »

Can we ask that living dark changes to heal you every time a Light attack is used ?

Envelop yourself in a lightless sphere for 4 seconds to protect yourself. Anytime an enemy uses a light attack against you, the sphere lashes back, snare (60%) them for 3 seconds and healing you for the light attack dmg. These effects can occur once every half second.

No,no, can we change living dark to heal your opponent when he/she deals damage...

Vapirko

Delparis wrote: »

Just give templar something like sorc (as if there are many sorc tank)

https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/encase

Why would yo want encase? It sucks.

Delparis

Vapirko wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

Just give templar something like sorc (as if there are many sorc tank)

https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/encase

Why would yo want encase? It sucks.

Root needed when playing as tank.
This morph would be perfect
https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/restraining-prison

mmtaniac

I think about new passive for templar restoration tree named Overheal(or something) it work different on magicka and stamina.
Stamina will get healthshield because you have only healing overtime effects on stamina and this can work with roll dodge ,but magicka get bonus resistances from healing to encourage playing i light armor there is some cap off course on both. Buff will is not have cooldown but you lost effect after left combat maybe after 5seconds buff dissapear.

Stibbons

No major sorcery for Templars. So with the entrophy neft POTIONS ALL DAY LONG. "Play how you want,.." Yea but you have to use POTIONS to get decent major sorcery.

mmtaniac

we need major brutality and sorcery buff in our kit

StarOfElyon

I love how hard Dark Flare hits but the cast time is killing me when we have instant gap closers. Not only that, but in the couple months that I've started using it again, I haven't noticed the major defile affect my opponents at all.

Lokey0024

mmtaniac wrote: »

we need major brutality and sorcery buff in our kit

Add it to sun shield 😂

ketsparrowhawk

Any chance the heal from sweeps will be added to the base ability, so stamplars can benefit from it too? That'd be awesome.

tnx keep up the good work

ketsparrowhawk

mmtaniac wrote: »

we need major brutality and sorcery buff in our kit

Yep. Just tack it onto the rune and call it a day.

StarOfElyon

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Any chance the heal from sweeps will be added to the base ability, so stamplars can benefit from it too? That'd be awesome.

tnx keep up the good work

I say no because it's like choosing between a damage morph and a healing morph.

ketsparrowhawk

StarOfElyon wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Any chance the heal from sweeps will be added to the base ability, so stamplars can benefit from it too? That'd be awesome.

tnx keep up the good work

I say no because it's like choosing between a damage morph and a healing morph.

It's not a choice. If you're mag you use sweeps, if you're stam you use jabs. There is no decision to be made.

WreckfulAbandon

Blackrose Prison DW is downright oppressive to Templars. It's been this way for awhile but with the recent nerfs this really needs to be looked at. No 2 piece set should be able to offer that level of mitigation to where it shuts down a class's damage output.

Gnortranermara

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Blackrose Prison DW is downright oppressive to Templars. It's been this way for awhile but with the recent nerfs this really needs to be looked at. No 2 piece set should be able to offer that level of mitigation to where it shuts down a class's damage output.

And how is that a Templar problem? There's a thread for itemization around here somewhere.

WreckfulAbandon

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Blackrose Prison DW is downright oppressive to Templars. It's been this way for awhile but with the recent nerfs this really needs to be looked at. No 2 piece set should be able to offer that level of mitigation to where it shuts down a class's damage output.

And how is that a Templar problem? There's a thread for itemization around here somewhere.

Can you please stay on topic? We're talking about Templar issues here

Vapirko

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Any chance the heal from sweeps will be added to the base ability, so stamplars can benefit from it too? That'd be awesome.

tnx keep up the good work

No, I think Stamplars would be far too strong with the added heal to biting jabs. And that’s my main so I’m not biased against it in any way.

StarOfElyon

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Any chance the heal from sweeps will be added to the base ability, so stamplars can benefit from it too? That'd be awesome.

tnx keep up the good work

I say no because it's like choosing between a damage morph and a healing morph.

It's not a choice. If you're mag you use sweeps, if you're stam you use jabs. There is no decision to be made.

I understood from day one (or early one, at least) that the choice was stam (damage) or magicka (healing), and it extends to the class.

furiouslog

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

Vajrak

furiouslog wrote: »

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

...definitely a player issue there.

burty61

Vajrak wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

...definitely a player issue there.

definitely an elitist issue there.

StarOfElyon

furiouslog wrote: »

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

I can sustain. I can do damage. But I don't have much survivability and I can't kite.

I lose something to gain something. That's how it should work, ideally. If you want to have it all, use the builds from some YouTube videos. I think it kills build diversity but hey, at least you'll pwn.

BNOC

StarOfElyon wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

I can sustain. I can do damage. But I don't have much survivability and I can't kite.

I lose something to gain something. That's how it should work, ideally. If you want to have it all, use the builds from some YouTube videos. I think it kills build diversity but hey, at least you'll pwn.

No templar builds can do all of that at a good enough level, maybe against average players you can safey run a balanced build but against anyone half decent, something has to give.

EtTuBrutus

BNOC wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

I can sustain. I can do damage. But I don't have much survivability and I can't kite.

I lose something to gain something. That's how it should work, ideally. If you want to have it all, use the builds from some YouTube videos. I think it kills build diversity but hey, at least you'll pwn.

No templar builds can do all of that at a good enough level, maybe against average players you can safey run a balanced build but against anyone half decent, something has to give.

My build does all that just fine. In fact, against decent players you want a more balanced build so they can't target your weakness and exploit it .

BNOC

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

I can sustain. I can do damage. But I don't have much survivability and I can't kite.

I lose something to gain something. That's how it should work, ideally. If you want to have it all, use the builds from some YouTube videos. I think it kills build diversity but hey, at least you'll pwn.

No templar builds can do all of that at a good enough level, maybe against average players you can safey run a balanced build but against anyone half decent, something has to give.

My build does all that just fine. In fact, against decent players you want a more balanced build so they can't target your weakness and exploit it .

Yeah maybe but I think if your weakness is low resists and you stay aggressive it's kinda moot.

I know that against other Templars I don't get put on the back foot because they all build so defensively or balanced and if I do for whatever reason, it's a CC and I'm back in control.

Dno, I just don't think all round builds compete, that's based on the fact I play a lot of duels and BG's as opposed to Cyrodil where I'll take your word for it that it's beneficial.

EtTuBrutus

BNOC wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

I can sustain. I can do damage. But I don't have much survivability and I can't kite.

I lose something to gain something. That's how it should work, ideally. If you want to have it all, use the builds from some YouTube videos. I think it kills build diversity but hey, at least you'll pwn.

No templar builds can do all of that at a good enough level, maybe against average players you can safey run a balanced build but against anyone half decent, something has to give.

My build does all that just fine. In fact, against decent players you want a more balanced build so they can't target your weakness and exploit it .

Yeah maybe but I think if your weakness is low resists and you stay aggressive it's kinda moot.

I know that against other Templars I don't get put on the back foot because they all build so defensively or balanced and if I do for whatever reason, it's a CC and I'm back in control.

Dno, I just don't think all round builds compete, that's based on the fact I play a lot of duels and BG's as opposed to Cyrodil where I'll take your word for it that it's beneficial.

Yes, i should specify im thinking more solo open world and small group. I actually don't change a thing when i bg though.

Dueling is dumb as there are too many rules and no "duelers " follow the same ones. My rules for dueling is, if it's in the game, you do you. I got spammed bc i used race against time in a duel. It's in my open world build, he ran up to a stranger and challenged and got circles ran around him. Ish is elitist for non elites imo.

Vajrak

burty61 wrote: »

Vajrak wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

#1 issue: my sustain is terrible.
#2 issue: I can't do damage.

...definitely a player issue there.

definitely an elitist issue there.

Basic Proficiency with a class is not elitist.
You can't sustain? Adjust your CP, Build, Glyphs, and food choice.
You can't deal damage? Adjust your spell damage, max mag, crit % rate, crit damage, and penetration.

Templar as a class has 4 skills (Sweeps/Jabs, Blazing Spear, Burning Light, Radiant Beam) that heavily favor maximized spell damage, and there are sets that stack a LOT of it.

As for sustain - Grundwulf, Witchmothers, Eyebowl, False God, Bloodthorn, Worm Cult, Brightboast...and that's just the more common or easist to farm options for sustain (note jabs/sweeps will now proc Bloodthorn 5pc, adds a good deal of sustain along with your rune focus).

Start with aiming for around 3200 Spell Damage, 35k Max Mag, and see what you need to sustain with that, and make sure you are not overcasting and burning more magicka for less effect.

BNOC

Vajrak wrote: »

note jabs/sweeps will now proc Bloodthorn 5pc, adds a good deal of sustain along with your rune focus).

I don't think Jabs is working correctly, or at least being recognised as Direct Damage - It's not working with Scathing Mage so I'd be surprised if it's working with Bloodthorn right now.

Bloodthorn might also be alright if you struggle with stam management or want to do a bit more with it.
That and BTB seem fairly close on paper.

Vajrak

BNOC wrote: »

Vajrak wrote: »

note jabs/sweeps will now proc Bloodthorn 5pc, adds a good deal of sustain along with your rune focus).

I don't think Jabs is working correctly, or at least being recognised as Direct Damage - It's not working with Scathing Mage so I'd be surprised if it's working with Bloodthorn right now.

Bloodthorn might also be alright if you struggle with stam management or want to do a bit more with it.
That and BTB seem fairly close on paper.

I don't have a set to check it with, as I don't like a proc on a proc (chance to proc on a chance to crit is low uptime). I DO have a set of Bloodthorn, and gets rough to tell, since LA's and Burning Light proc it, and it is a consistent proc even before the change, so it's proc is pretty guaranteed anyway.