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[Class Rep] Sorcerer Feedback Thread

  • Aurelle1
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    Nefas wrote: »
    malistorr wrote: »
    Absolutely hate the change/nerf to Power Surge. Using this skill is mostly what kept me alive in PVE as a mag sorc. Now its ability to do so is gone.

    Many PvE Magsorcs have opted for Crit Surge (long before Scalebreaker/Update 23) including for hard solo instances such as vMA. For PvP Magsorcs, it's a different story.

    Which would be fine if Crit Surge gave Major Sorcery. So now Sorcs are forced to slot Entropy with inferior healing, or rely on hugely expensive Spell Pots which don’t provide a heal at all.

    Jeez.



  • Saril_Durzam
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    Aurelle1 wrote: »
    Nefas wrote: »
    malistorr wrote: »
    Absolutely hate the change/nerf to Power Surge. Using this skill is mostly what kept me alive in PVE as a mag sorc. Now its ability to do so is gone.

    Many PvE Magsorcs have opted for Crit Surge (long before Scalebreaker/Update 23) including for hard solo instances such as vMA. For PvP Magsorcs, it's a different story.

    Which would be fine if Crit Surge gave Major Sorcery. So now Sorcs are forced to slot Entropy with inferior healing, or rely on hugely expensive Spell Pots which don’t provide a heal at all.

    Jeez.



    Degeneration is a must slot skill, v good single target dot (around 20-25k in 10 seconds, depending on build), gives 100 mag every time you attack with LAs during its duration, and gives Major Sorcery. Can´t understand why a Sorc shouldnt cast this every 10 seconds.
    Structured Entrophy isnt bad either, around 5k less damage, doesnt give mag back but heals you for 2k each 2 seconds, nice hot on a dot. Isnt enough selfhealing standalone, but both Critical Surge and SE will give great selfhealing, although not on demand.

    To be honest, shields cost increase (around 800 magicka) and matriarch damage nerf are much more serious things than the surge one.
  • Aurelle1
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    Aurelle1 wrote: »
    Nefas wrote: »
    malistorr wrote: »
    Absolutely hate the change/nerf to Power Surge. Using this skill is mostly what kept me alive in PVE as a mag sorc. Now its ability to do so is gone.

    Many PvE Magsorcs have opted for Crit Surge (long before Scalebreaker/Update 23) including for hard solo instances such as vMA. For PvP Magsorcs, it's a different story.

    Which would be fine if Crit Surge gave Major Sorcery. So now Sorcs are forced to slot Entropy with inferior healing, or rely on hugely expensive Spell Pots which don’t provide a heal at all.

    Jeez.



    Degeneration is a must slot skill, v good single target dot (around 20-25k in 10 seconds, depending on build), gives 100 mag every time you attack with LAs during its duration, and gives Major Sorcery. Can´t understand why a Sorc shouldnt cast this every 10 seconds.
    Structured Entrophy isnt bad either, around 5k less damage, doesnt give mag back but heals you for 2k each 2 seconds, nice hot on a dot. Isnt enough selfhealing standalone, but both Critical Surge and SE will give great selfhealing, although not on demand.

    To be honest, shields cost increase (around 800 magicka) and matriarch damage nerf are much more serious things than the surge one.

    Degeneration...100 Mag per LA is nothing. You would have to cast an average of 30 LA to accrue enough Mag for one ability. Mag should not be a problem with weaving HA into your rotation anyway. I would rather slot SE for the DOT. However, SE has a much shorter duration for SP than Power Surge, and an unexciting heal.

    As you say, Structured Entropy healing is not great, but it does have a high DOT....Power Surge gave a lot more healing. We are talking about self-heals here especially for solo players. But unfortunately it now only triggers off crit heals. Useless to Mag Sorcs who are not healers (and isn't that the vast majority?).

    Critical Surge and SE take up two skill slots. So that will be extraordinarily unpopular.

    But don't get me on the subject of Spell Pots which use extortionately-priced Corn Flower, and don't have a heal. You all know what I think about them.

    The obvious solution is to put SP on base and Crit Surge. Everyone happy and ZOS can keep their vision for MagSorc healers.

    Either that or allow six rather than five skill slots per bar. But that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future.
  • Delparis
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    hey I've found that Dampen Magic gives 66% of magicka shield (17,6k health gives 10,6k shield) and this with 35k magicka.
    don't know how this made it to live but my sorc is now better than ever lol
    ZOS don't fix old bugs, they harbor them
  • Saril_Durzam
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    Aurelle1 wrote: »
    Aurelle1 wrote: »
    Nefas wrote: »
    malistorr wrote: »
    Absolutely hate the change/nerf to Power Surge. Using this skill is mostly what kept me alive in PVE as a mag sorc. Now its ability to do so is gone.

    Many PvE Magsorcs have opted for Crit Surge (long before Scalebreaker/Update 23) including for hard solo instances such as vMA. For PvP Magsorcs, it's a different story.

    Which would be fine if Crit Surge gave Major Sorcery. So now Sorcs are forced to slot Entropy with inferior healing, or rely on hugely expensive Spell Pots which don’t provide a heal at all.

    Jeez.



    Degeneration is a must slot skill, v good single target dot (around 20-25k in 10 seconds, depending on build), gives 100 mag every time you attack with LAs during its duration, and gives Major Sorcery. Can´t understand why a Sorc shouldnt cast this every 10 seconds.
    Structured Entrophy isnt bad either, around 5k less damage, doesnt give mag back but heals you for 2k each 2 seconds, nice hot on a dot. Isnt enough selfhealing standalone, but both Critical Surge and SE will give great selfhealing, although not on demand.

    To be honest, shields cost increase (around 800 magicka) and matriarch damage nerf are much more serious things than the surge one.

    Degeneration...100 Mag per LA is nothing. You would have to cast an average of 30 LA to accrue enough Mag for one ability. Mag should not be a problem with weaving HA into your rotation anyway. I would rather slot SE for the DOT. However, SE has a much shorter duration for SP than Power Surge, and an unexciting heal.

    As you say, Structured Entropy healing is not great, but it does have a high DOT....Power Surge gave a lot more healing. We are talking about self-heals here especially for solo players. But unfortunately it now only triggers off crit heals. Useless to Mag Sorcs who are not healers (and isn't that the vast majority?).

    Critical Surge and SE take up two skill slots. So that will be extraordinarily unpopular.

    But don't get me on the subject of Spell Pots which use extortionately-priced Corn Flower, and don't have a heal. You all know what I think about them.

    The obvious solution is to put SP on base and Crit Surge. Everyone happy and ZOS can keep their vision for MagSorc healers.

    Either that or allow six rather than five skill slots per bar. But that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future.

    Just came back from finishing a trial, i didnt get any Orbs on the night, nor Shards, and i just used 4 pots during all the trial. Degeneration adds basically 100 mag per sec during all fights. Its like having 200 more mag regen. Not awesome, but everything counts. Did exactly ONE HA during all night.

    Im still not 100% sold on how Sorcs have gone, and have many reasons to complain, but we will work out some of them.
  • Gabe42
    Gabe42
    Aurelle1 wrote: »
    Nefas wrote: »
    malistorr wrote: »
    Absolutely hate the change/nerf to Power Surge. Using this skill is mostly what kept me alive in PVE as a mag sorc. Now its ability to do so is gone.

    Many PvE Magsorcs have opted for Crit Surge (long before Scalebreaker/Update 23) including for hard solo instances such as vMA. For PvP Magsorcs, it's a different story.

    Which would be fine if Crit Surge gave Major Sorcery. So now Sorcs are forced to slot Entropy with inferior healing, or rely on hugely expensive Spell Pots which don’t provide a heal at all.

    Jeez.



    Exactly! You could still choose between healing and dmg as a trigger, but both should give weapon and spell dmg buff!
  • Littlebluelizard
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    Aurelle1 wrote: »
    Degeneration...100 Mag per LA is nothing

    It's not only 100 mag though... + 2% max mag + 2% regen + Empower on cast. I don't even think people would slot old power surge instead of Degen lol.

    And I mean if you want powerful heals you'd slot new Rapid Regen anyway...

    Like the other guy said, cost increase on shields and matriarch nerf are much more impactful than power surge change. But I can see why people are not happy with it - You are forced to take a class skill to use a generic skill.
  • malistorr
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    The change to Power Surge was huge. Now I have to slot a skill I don't want to use (SE). I'd much rather use Lightning Flood like I was doing, because even with the nerf, it does much more DPS than the damage from (SE) and kills mobs father, which helps me stay alive. The damage done by (SE) is almost useless so sorc dies much more often because mobs stay alive much longer now. DPS is way down and so is our ability to not die every 10-seconds.
    I have to slot (SE), a skill I don't want to use, to get Major Sorcery, which is basically mandatory for mag sorc. Then I have to slot Crit Surge to get decent self heals. So an already cramped bar is even more so now.

    The alternative is changing a whole gear set to Rattlecage to get Major Sorcery, which is heavy and not designed for our class at all. We are forced to use a skill for heals that buffs something our class doesn't use (weapon damage). I wonder if the people at Zenimax/Bethesda (whoever works on this) are just perma-high because none of this makes any sense and their stupid choices are ruining people's enjoyment of the game.
  • malistorr
    malistorr
    Oh yeah and that tiny increase in magic from HA is really stupid. Either people heavy attack a lot like me already and get tons of magic back from it already, or they don't heavy attack much at all (LA weavers) and won't see the tiny buff anyway. Another stupid decision that makes no sense in any possible way. If someone was in the middle and does 1 or 2 HA in a fight, they'll get no benefit from the tiny amount of magic gain. Just completely pointless. Might as well just increase the magic returned from each heavy attack period.
    Edited by malistorr on August 15, 2019 3:05PM
  • sharquez
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    Got my first Flawless on My Altmer magsorc this patch, and had some good BGS on my Argonian Magsorc so so far feels good. Just too a bit of getting used to. Gotta get my Orcy stam boy into some tussles and see how he feels though.
    EP Magsorc - Never-Blinks
    EP Magcro- Ebony Maw The Manipulator
    EP Magplar - Sweet-Like-Honey
    EP Stamblade- Pure-paws
    EP MagDK- Rhys Redoran
    EP Stamsorc- Garnag Crow-Father
    EP Magblade- Dandos Direnni
    EP Stamplar- Luzrah gra-Shar
    EP StamDK- Verana Venomtongue
    EP Magden- Frozen-Frog
    EP Stamden- Dro Ma'Thra Savage
    EP DKTank- Sharquez
    EP NB Tank- Dead's Kin
    EP Stamcro- Pluto Pollux
  • Fallen_Ray
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    They could increase the duration on Bound Aegis mitigation. Considering latency, 3 secs is almost up when you start to block.
    At times I feel that I have to spam the skill in order to see its effect.
    "Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance
  • xandervalo
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    ku5h wrote: »
    OMG there is SOOO much in a SORCERER CLASS that is STAM WHY?

    Well, not that much. Reason is, ZoS wants each class to be playable in both stam and magicka versions.
    What i find funny is that stam Sorc is now better in every single way then magicka SORCERER. Only possible in ESO, to twist in such a way a sorcerer class concept as old as fantasy genre itself.



    I am extremely upset about that as well. Only in eso you would see some foul play like that. Mag sorc is a joke really at this point I'm waiting for TES6. After my eso+ runs out im done with this game until mag sorc has identity and we dont run around looking like a confused npc. I feel like the entire class (Mag) just died in one patch. This being the only class i play it feels really low of a blow from ZoS because it isnt enough that people trash talk the class already. If there was ever a time i was actually done with the poor decision making from ZoS its now. Hell im not even a mag sorc and i feel bad for those people who are now they've ruined the class.
  • Lord-Otto
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    malistorr wrote: »
    The change to Power Surge was huge. Now I have to slot a skill I don't want to use (SE). I'd much rather use Lightning Flood like I was doing, because even with the nerf, it does much more DPS than the damage from (SE) and kills mobs father, which helps me stay alive. The damage done by (SE) is almost useless so sorc dies much more often because mobs stay alive much longer now. DPS is way down and so is our ability to not die every 10-seconds.
    I have to slot (SE), a skill I don't want to use, to get Major Sorcery, which is basically mandatory for mag sorc. Then I have to slot Crit Surge to get decent self heals. So an already cramped bar is even more so now.

    The alternative is changing a whole gear set to Rattlecage to get Major Sorcery, which is heavy and not designed for our class at all. We are forced to use a skill for heals that buffs something our class doesn't use (weapon damage). I wonder if the people at Zenimax/Bethesda (whoever works on this) are just perma-high because none of this makes any sense and their stupid choices are ruining people's enjoyment of the game.

    You get Major Sorcery from pots. Major Prophecy, too, if you have the money. Crit Surge was therefore a better choice last patch and is definitely now.
  • Major_Lag
    Major_Lag
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    malistorr wrote: »
    The change to Power Surge was huge. Now I have to slot a skill I don't want to use (SE). (...)
    I have to slot (SE), a skill I don't want to use, to get Major Sorcery, which is basically mandatory for mag sorc. Then I have to slot Crit Surge to get decent self heals. So an already cramped bar is even more so now. (...)
    We are forced to use a skill for heals that buffs something our class doesn't use (weapon damage).(...)

    Amen to this.
    It is absolutely ludicrous that magicka SORCERER just lost major SORCERY (in the DD/tank roles at least).

    Using entropy, a single-target DoT, makes even less sense when you consider that magicka sorcerer is a heavily AoE-oriented class (in PvE).
    The majority of Sorc class skills are either AoEs, or at least have an AoE component to them. That's part of the class identity, which is rapidly being eroded now.

    Instead of entropy, I'd much rather slot another AoE spammable or AoE DoT (for example, Impulse with Blackrose destro). At least for all non-bossfights. I play on PC where you can switch gear/skill sets with a single keypress, so using separate builds for bosses (single-target) and trashmobs (AoE) is a non-issue for me.

    The solution is simple... ZOS should add the Major Sorcery buff to Crit Surge, and probably also to Surge (unmorphed skill).
    Alternatively, make Surge into what the old Power Surge was, and keep the current form of Crit Surge (therefore sacrificing Major Sorcery for a stronger heal), so then magsorcs would run the unmorphed skill instead. Either way would solve the problem just fine.
  • Saril_Durzam
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    Ok, after doing a bit of everything...

    Trials- more or less fine. Didnt notice much DPS loss; it´s noticeable on trash (AOE) but its better on ST. Using Empowered Shield to improve players mag regen. Not real healing. Still it´s very painful to be pressing EVERY key of the skill keys, as not using spammable.

    Dungeons - a bit more bursty than my petsorc so in some phases is better, but much worse overall survability and now cant heal other players - i admit it was too good and could join as healer on most vet dungeons, but the nerf now simply puts Matriarch on the bank.

    VMA - total disaster. Could finish it np but dying more and having more issues. Went from 550k to 420k. Before patch, i went there with 21k health, 51k mag, bad regen but using HAs (AOE) had zero mag issues. Monster offensive set (Maw of the Guardian). Now, i go with 17k health, 34k mag, good sustain due using Witchmother drink instead of blue food, False God instead of Necropotence. DPS is worse as need to spend more time using shields (empowered, couldnt sustain Hardened) and having one less pet is also noticeable. Oh! And dont have any way of healing volatile so he always end up dying, he doesnt get out of combat ever, i need to recast it. Still using Purge but now Critical. Much harder to follow tactics having to apply dots on every mob. Using defensive monster set (first Chudan, also used Iceheart).

    All gold gear. All maxed skills.

    So conclussion: despite having fun on choosing new gear/skills/testing, sorc gameplay is now for me much less enjoyable. Playing most classes and now sorc is the one which gives oneself more effort on waving/selection of skills. There is no rest at all, its not compared with any other class. I dont think my Sorc was better at all before patch than most DD classes, specially stamina ones, but at least it was very pleasant to play with. Now, its not.

    Will keep playing Sorc but way less than my other toons. My stam sorc is really promising! And if cloak and dots stay this way, planning to build a magblade, they´re invincible now in PvP doing dots at 28 meters then Cloak at that distance (no real counter and such distance, once they notice you start to move to them, one-two dots then Cloak. They change position and start again. Ive put dots on them too but Cloak eats them. As i said, on a good player, they´re top.)
  • Haenk
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    As a Pet Sorc since day one I feel degraded now, the fun is gone.
    "Play as you want" is obviously "Play as ZOS wants you to play" now.

  • Cathrisa
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    So I have tried to play my MagSorc DD for a while now, and I have two big pains due to the Scalebreaker update

    1) Unlike other classes, there is nothing left to increase sustain other than buff-potions: Shields have lost much of their power. The only good self-heal I had was from Power Surge. But that is now procing only on critical heals, but then there is nothing to actually do critical heals, except with a healing staff. So it is not for DDs.
    Critical Surge could do, but has a bonus for weapon damage only (not magic damage). So that ability has "not for scorcerers" written all over it.

    2) The update seems to favour DoT instead of AoE. But that move got no support for the sorcerer class. AoE got nerf'ed, but there is no help with DoT.

    I think I strongly disagree with the move to make all classes similar. Scorcerers almost feel like a melee char now. The "magic" is gone in every sense of the word. But of course there is the option to ditch a class - maybe changing to a Magplar will avoid the missing love of the developers for Magsorcs. Less classes will definitely make chars more comparable, but I am afraid will also make ESO less interesting.
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