ESO Class Reps

Integral1900

It’s going to be more dual wield and light attacks isn’t it... (sound of head banging on a desk)

I give it a few lines before we get the inevitable “you have to have the (insert impossibly hard to get set of the week) everything else is now trash...” when it obviously isn’t

Or before one of those meta addicts says content will now be scaled to vet hard mode because vet trials are to easy and we we solo them all the time... yes we know that probably less than a thousand players in the world can do that stuff at all but we are the elite so we don’t care

Well, I like heavy attacks and my two handed sword and I’m sticking with it no matter how much this new group or ZOS try’s to nerf it into the ground

Liofa

Integral1900 wrote: »

It’s going to be more dual wield and light attacks isn’t it... (sound of head banging on a desk)

I give it a few lines before we get the inevitable “you have to have the (insert impossibly hard to get set of the week) everything else is now trash...” when it obviously isn’t

Or before one of those meta addicts says content will now be scaled to vet hard mode because vet trials are to easy and we we solo them all the time... yes we know that probably less than a thousand players in the world can do that stuff at all but we are the elite so we don’t care

Well, I like heavy attacks and my two handed sword and I’m sticking with it no matter how much this new group or ZOS try’s to nerf it into the ground

I suggest you do some research because yesterday one of the Class Reps released a build video that uses heavy attacks and a 2H with fairly easy to obtain gear, assuming you can complete HRC and CR in normal difficulty

Integral1900

Ahh... trials gear... the walled garden.... my point stands

witchdoctor

Normal trials are a 'walled garden?'

Huh.

Strider__Roshin

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Yeah there are people who got called out for not even playing as Nightblades in there spewing crap in the Nightblade discord. They don't care about helping or adjusting the class. All they're interested in is trying to nerf the class or trolling the chats. I personally would've kicked them by now since they're just derailing good discussion.

Blobsky

Daus wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Yeah there are people who got called out for not even playing as Nightblades in there spewing crap in the Nightblade discord. They don't care about helping or adjusting the class. All they're interested in is trying to nerf the class or trolling the chats. I personally would've kicked them by now since they're just derailing good discussion.

Completely agree

AndyMac

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Which one is the Australian representative?

Doesn't matter how many class reps you have if none know what it's like with our latency.

Good point - wish I added this to my post.

I am on 300 ping myself and I am sure it's quite a different game for high vs low ping players.

I think it would be very valuable to have that perspective as classes and skills are discussed and developed as many would have the high ping experience on the NA server.

I know of at least two very strong PVP players who are either Australian or New Zealander - they should at least get associate membership lol

That said, given that one night of Australian prime time is taken with maintenance almost every week, I think I already know how much of a priority "high ping" issues are.

Call me a cynic lol.

Nerftheforums

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Talking from a nb discord perspective, people have been giving ideas for something like 10 hours from yesterday eventing, and they went off topic for max 1h around 1am. Not one single hate comment has been mate, no drama occurred and no name shaming happened. You did not say one word in the hours people spent talking, you gave no contribution at all, you came in at 1am, took a look and got out. I have no idea why you are so biased (well, I kinda do since you explicitly express your disgust to having hexys as a representative both on stream, your discord and on the forums, and maybe you think he's the main moderator of the nb channel), but you should consider helping if you think the situation is so drastically bad. Don't wanna do it? Don't *** talk people and initiatives, it is easy as that.

Having said so, since you have a big experience with magnb, about which, from a PvP perspective, today has been talked a bit, it would be nice to have you back there, even though you don't like the people. Give ideas, help the reps to give valuable feedback and keep discussion relevant, or, again, don't *** talk.

elfantasmo

Everyone listed great ambassadors of the game gratz all!

Aesthier

Congratulations to those promoted!

I would like to request however that those who are representing a specific class actually "MAIN" the class they are responsible for representing.

Maining does not mean they have a max level toon that they seldom play in that class but actually, EAT LIVE AND BREATHE that class.

Maining a class to me means they have many different variations of that class at least 3, covering the 3 different specialties (skill lines) designated by that class, and the other two versions of the trinity (DPS, TANK, HEAL) which that class was not initially created to be that ZoS seems ever intent on replacing the original class identities with.

So for NB (as a DPS class) that would mean 3 separate Nightblades built around each specialization of Assassination, Shadow, and Siphoning, and another 2 Nightblades built around Tanking and Healing. Though the more versions created the better they could come to represent those who may hybrid build.


This is not meant as an insult to those chosen to represent the classes. Just looking at the list I see many well respected individuals whos' contributions to the community from a knowledge perspective can at times appear to rival the knowledge of the developers themselves.

The reason I ask for this is that other games (EQ cough cough) assigned class representatives (who were actually paid employees in development) who did not understand the classes they were playing and eventually all began playing one class instead of the classes they were paid to represent. This led to one class coming out on top above all others with no one providing any true representation of any other class.


I do like the fact that all those you have listed above do have expansive experience with more than one class as that will go far in being able to provide a better assessment of changes that may be overpowering or underpowering in regards to balance.


However, I just want to stress the importance that those who are representing a specific class should main it above all others.

Once they begin spending more time on a class they are not responsible for, as opposed to the one they are, they should step down as that class rep or be let go.

To those chosen as Reps.

I am very happy to see your names listed, I may not do nearly as much internet browsing, researching, video watching as most players as I prefer to spend as much free time as I can in the game rather than watching videos of it. That said I have seen most of your names around the forums and the majority of those I see as reliable well-informed theory crafters.

I can't thank you enough for volunteering as your jobs will quickly become overburdening and feel thankless. While you may not be doing the paid development of the classes your positions will finally allow a percentage of us a real voice and that to me is a win. Do your best to keep your minds open to those who may not share your views and perspectives, be it players or even other reps and you will be great.

I wish you the best and godspeed!

RebornV3x

Glad to see @Hexys on the list what a great pick to be a class rep good to know Sorcerer (and others) will be well represented.

Blobsky

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Talking from a nb discord perspective, people have been giving ideas for something like 10 hours from yesterday eventing, and they went off topic for max 1h around 1am. Not one single hate comment has been mate, no drama occurred and no name shaming happened. You did not say one word in the hours people spent talking, you gave no contribution at all, you came in at 1am, took a look and got out. I have no idea why you are so biased (well, I kinda do since you explicitly express your disgust to having hexys as a representative both on stream, your discord and on the forums, and maybe you think he's the main moderator of the nb channel), but you should consider helping if you think the situation is so drastically bad. Don't wanna do it? Don't *** talk people and initiatives, it is easy as that.

Having said so, since you have a big experience with magnb, about which, from a PvP perspective, today has been talked a bit, it would be nice to have you back there, even though you don't like the people. Give ideas, help the reps to give valuable feedback and keep discussion relevant, or, again, don't *** talk.

I am giving my honest opinion based on the appearance of the chat. I'd like to point out that multiple comments were removed by Kena related to some seriously offensive chat in the Cyrodiil section of Nightblade, and that there was no 'useful' discussion, just waste of time / spite between 10:00~ English time to 2am when I went to sleep. As I said before, I didn't even bother trying to contribute because there was a wall of toxic chat.

I also actually complimented hexys slightly in my previous post, but you chose to ignore that. Note that I am as unbias as it physically gets as I play every (magicka) class. I just want good balance, and unconstructive / extremely bias suggestions and spite posts get nowhere.

Also, my stream content is entirely free and you are not forced to watch if you do not enjoy the content. Anyone on PC EU will understand fully why I have major concerns about hexys as a rep, but he has been chosen and I'm happy to live with that, I just hope he can do a good job.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Congrats to all designated players !

I hope (but doubt) that you'll keep in mind the overwhelming majority of ESO players : those who don't play competitively (either because they don't want to, or because they can't). The "balance" they deserve is different from the balance desired by top players.

As to the means already implemented : I don't understand. Why do you choose to send us / spread us over yet more channels (Discord servers), why spread those even more into 5 or 6 different servers, and why spread the discussion over even more subcategories ? Since it's all meant for text communication, Discord has nothing to offer over the current forum, where you could happily organize a separate "Call rep feedback" section and go from there, while enjoying the services of the already available and paid moderators.

You think these forums are full of unconstructive chit-chat ? Wait and see how your discords look like in only a couple of hours. Within a week, you'll have spent so many hours just moderating and cleaning that you won't have time for digesting true feedback anymore.

Good luck with your new task, though !

Rickter

how many women are represented in the class rep program?

#esoglassceiling

DuskMarine

Vaoh wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Eyro wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

In my opinion this just seems like it will be a waste of time there are way to many holes in the idea and i don't expect it to work that well especially since there aren't any representatives from console how are you suppose to know what we go though if you only play pc there are players that actually play on pc and console both those are the players that should of been chosen or at least one person who mains console like i said there have been many changes done to skills in this game that benefit players on pc but that don't on console because of how awful the game plays on console it isn't to much to ask zos to choose a representative from console but nope they don't give a flying crap

gonna be blizzard and wow all over again history is just gonna repeat itself

They would probably kill for those kinds of sub numbers.

if you remember when blizzard tried this their sub rate hit rock bottom till they reverted admitted they screwed up and never tryed it again. its just gonna be the same rinse and repeat process of blizzard and zos will learn. ill still play the game but i have no faith in this its already failed once.

Wait, WoW tried a class rep system and it failed? If that’s the case idk why ZOS thinks they’d do any better....

Especially after ignoring the mountain of feedback in the Summerset official class balance threads, pushing the responsibilities onto players sounds super lazy. I kind of see why this system could fail badly, but then again, *maybe* there is hope Either way, ZOS can’t do much worse than they currently are when it comes to transparency

it wasnt a class rep system they tried(as its honestly completely stupid of an idea) but they tried mass balancing and harmoginized the living heck out of everything(as zos is kindve already doing). ultimately it blew up in their face as people doing exactly what their doing to zos and calling for balance litterally asked them what they thought they were doing when we were all giving them all this money and they just screw everything up. well the sub count dropped like a grenade for that month you couldnt find anybody then they reverted it. so zos is doomed to repeat that issue again by pawning this off on a class rep system which isnt how they should do it. how this should be done is litterally going on statistical value and actually looking at the class balancing threads. this class rep systems only gonna inspire corruption as you shouldnt trust just 13 players with this and take their word as gospel for the other millions this game probly has. i dont need a smuck speaking for me as a player when i can speak for myself as ive already tested(and honestly class balancing throw that out the window if they cant even get the game to run smoothly its a waste of time)

NightbladeMechanics

Blobsky wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Talking from a nb discord perspective, people have been giving ideas for something like 10 hours from yesterday eventing, and they went off topic for max 1h around 1am. Not one single hate comment has been mate, no drama occurred and no name shaming happened. You did not say one word in the hours people spent talking, you gave no contribution at all, you came in at 1am, took a look and got out. I have no idea why you are so biased (well, I kinda do since you explicitly express your disgust to having hexys as a representative both on stream, your discord and on the forums, and maybe you think he's the main moderator of the nb channel), but you should consider helping if you think the situation is so drastically bad. Don't wanna do it? Don't *** talk people and initiatives, it is easy as that.

Having said so, since you have a big experience with magnb, about which, from a PvP perspective, today has been talked a bit, it would be nice to have you back there, even though you don't like the people. Give ideas, help the reps to give valuable feedback and keep discussion relevant, or, again, don't *** talk.

I am giving my honest opinion based on the appearance of the chat. I'd like to point out that multiple comments were removed by Kena related to some seriously offensive chat in the Cyrodiil section of Nightblade, and that there was no 'useful' discussion, just waste of time / spite between 10:00~ English time to 2am when I went to sleep. As I said before, I didn't even bother trying to contribute because there was a wall of toxic chat.

I also actually complimented hexys slightly in my previous post, but you chose to ignore that. Note that I am as unbias as it physically gets as I play every (magicka) class. I just want good balance, and unconstructive / extremely bias suggestions and spite posts get nowhere.

Also, my stream content is entirely free and you are not forced to watch if you do not enjoy the content. Anyone on PC EU will understand fully why I have major concerns about hexys as a rep, but he has been chosen and I'm happy to live with that, I just hope he can do a good job.

I did not remove any comments, and there was one incident all day and night which could be considered even remotely toxic, which I handled immediately after you brought it to my attention. You explained to me in pms that you took the joke in that incident personally because it was a jab made at your friend in game, but don't let it discolor your impression of the whole discord. The nightblade discord has been our most active, with the most members and full of quality discussion for going on 24 hours now. There was never a "wall of toxic chat."

Keep in mind that players with less experience on the class or bad suggestions have just as much right to voice their opinions as anyone else. Their input will be evaluated and filtered out as we move along. That's part of the job.

Also keep in mind that people will meme and joke as they bond and get to know each other (not referring to the joke which I disciplined, as it went too far). This will end up developing a comfortable and familiar culture within the discords as they become their own little communities. Don't expect every conversation to remain 100% serious and on topic. We are watching the discussions and making notes of poignant suggestions and pain points as they happen, though. This is all a natural part of the process. Don't worry.

Lastly, remember when we were pming that I said I will not tolerate drama or toxicity penetrating these discords or this program. I was referring to the people who made the inappropriate joke about your friend at the time, but that goes for you as well. You say you only want balance and constructive discussion when writing in the discords or defending yourself here, yet you have misrepresented the activity in the discords, insulted members of the program, and slandered our attempts to reach out to the community multiple times in this thread. We welcome your criticism, but your tone is becoming increasingly inflamed and unconstructive. Please limit future criticism to specific suggestions of how you think we can do things better, and please maintain an accurate and objective representation of the activities within the discords if you wish to remain welcome in them.

Torbschka wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics @Checkmath @Joy_Division and the others.

Just some feedback / input regarding your discord channels and your behaviour in there.

Plesse, act actually more like a moderator and make it more structured. As @Blobsky already strifed in a further post, some of the discord are pure chaos.

Some things you should 100% do.

1. make a write up about the "major" concerns every week / few days with bullet points.
2. those points will get discussed again, u reevaluate it again.
3. the list should be get "shorter" every week, so every class will have just a "few" (4-6) concerns changes which will be discussed, since we shouldnt be so deillusional that we think we will get pages for every class implemented.
4. after the major concerns are highlighted, THEN we discuss real changes to passives / skills which will adjust those concerns.

This is actually a circle for 1 month. Please create an extra channel for those "weekly" summarys by u, since the channels createdyet are mostly "fluted" with spam and without proper moderation will end up in Chaos.

I dont mean to be rude, I know u guys are just "out" there for 2 days, but u should start organize things from the start. Creating those discords without a propet write up in the beginning how things will be there as a "sticky" post for every discord was actually the first mistake. U wanted this, so please show a bit of professional behaviour.

We already have such systems in place, but I'll start making them more visible and transparent. Each discord has a sticky with guidelines for behavior, plus labeled channels for discussions. Directions for the community are straightforward -- behave civilly, and talk about what frustrates you or what you'd like to see with each class in the designated channels.

Our own processes are not as visible. We have summary channels in the discords as well as external Excel spreadsheets where we are noting popular topics and quality suggestions for future reference and discussion. Over time, we will pull common complaints and pain points out from the mass of discussions as well as recommendations for fixes (which are more naturally discussed simultaneously, not in sequence), and we will restart new discussions with the community on more focused topics as we near our meetings with ZOS.

These first few days or weeks will be chaotic as people swarm into the discords and write out every idea or complaint they've ever had for each class and topic. We are making note of every idea worth returning to later, and we will refine that list down to the main pain points prior to our meeting with ZOS. Please be patient as we collect this large initial influx of information.

Thanks for the feedback! ^_^

NightbladeMechanics

Rickter wrote: »

how many women are represented in the class rep program?

#esoglassceiling

Stileanima and Tasear are ladies.

Rickter

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

how many women are represented in the class rep program?

#esoglassceiling

Stileanima and Tasear are ladies.

I was mainly just trying to lighten the atmosphere. You know me and i wasnt serious about that and im far from sjw ;P

casparian

Rickter wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

how many women are represented in the class rep program?

#esoglassceiling

Stileanima and Tasear are ladies.

I was mainly just trying to lighten the atmosphere. You know me and i wasnt serious about that and im far from sjw ;P

How many Rickters are women? #requiemglassceiling

Quantum_V

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Congrats to all designated players !

I hope (but doubt) that you'll keep in mind the overwhelming majority of ESO players : those who don't play competitively (either because they don't want to, or because they can't). The "balance" they deserve is different from the balance desired by top players.

As to the means already implemented : I don't understand. Why do you choose to send us / spread us over yet more channels (Discord servers), why spread those even more into 5 or 6 different servers, and why spread the discussion over even more subcategories ? Since it's all meant for text communication, Discord has nothing to offer over the current forum, where you could happily organize a separate "Call rep feedback" section and go from there, while enjoying the services of the already available and paid moderators.

You think these forums are full of unconstructive chit-chat ? Wait and see how your discords look like in only a couple of hours. Within a week, you'll have spent so many hours just moderating and cleaning that you won't have time for digesting true feedback anymore.

Good luck with your new task, though !

Hey, thank you for your concern!

The discords are not meant to spread but to organize. We will still read the forums daily and look for important feedback through here! Don't worry!

Thanks for the support!

Blobsky

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Talking from a nb discord perspective, people have been giving ideas for something like 10 hours from yesterday eventing, and they went off topic for max 1h around 1am. Not one single hate comment has been mate, no drama occurred and no name shaming happened. You did not say one word in the hours people spent talking, you gave no contribution at all, you came in at 1am, took a look and got out. I have no idea why you are so biased (well, I kinda do since you explicitly express your disgust to having hexys as a representative both on stream, your discord and on the forums, and maybe you think he's the main moderator of the nb channel), but you should consider helping if you think the situation is so drastically bad. Don't wanna do it? Don't *** talk people and initiatives, it is easy as that.

Having said so, since you have a big experience with magnb, about which, from a PvP perspective, today has been talked a bit, it would be nice to have you back there, even though you don't like the people. Give ideas, help the reps to give valuable feedback and keep discussion relevant, or, again, don't *** talk.

I am giving my honest opinion based on the appearance of the chat. I'd like to point out that multiple comments were removed by Kena related to some seriously offensive chat in the Cyrodiil section of Nightblade, and that there was no 'useful' discussion, just waste of time / spite between 10:00~ English time to 2am when I went to sleep. As I said before, I didn't even bother trying to contribute because there was a wall of toxic chat.

I also actually complimented hexys slightly in my previous post, but you chose to ignore that. Note that I am as unbias as it physically gets as I play every (magicka) class. I just want good balance, and unconstructive / extremely bias suggestions and spite posts get nowhere.

Also, my stream content is entirely free and you are not forced to watch if you do not enjoy the content. Anyone on PC EU will understand fully why I have major concerns about hexys as a rep, but he has been chosen and I'm happy to live with that, I just hope he can do a good job.

I did not remove any comments, and there was one incident all day and night which could be considered even remotely toxic, which I handled immediately after you brought it to my attention. You explained to me in pms that you took the joke in that incident personally because it was a jab made at your friend in game, but don't let it discolor your impression of the whole discord. The nightblade discord has been our most active, with the most members and full of quality discussion for going on 24 hours now. There was never a "wall of toxic chat."

Keep in mind that players with less experience on the class or bad suggestions have just as much right to voice their opinions as anyone else. Their input will be evaluated and filtered out as we move along. That's part of the job.

Also keep in mind that people will meme and joke as they bond and get to know each other (not referring to the joke which I disciplined, as it went too far). This will end up developing a comfortable and familiar culture within the discords as they become their own little communities. Don't expect every conversation to remain 100% serious and on topic. We are watching the discussions and making notes of poignant suggestions and pain points as they happen, though. This is all a natural part of the process. Don't worry.

Lastly, remember when we were pming that I said I will not tolerate drama or toxicity penetrating these discords or this program. I was referring to the people who made the inappropriate joke about your friend at the time, but that goes for you as well. You say you only want balance and constructive discussion when writing in the discords or defending yourself here, yet you have misrepresented the activity in the discords, insulted members of the program, and slandered our attempts to reach out to the community multiple times in this thread. We welcome your criticism, but your tone is becoming increasingly inflamed and unconstructive. Please limit future criticism to specific suggestions of how you think we can do things better, and please maintain an accurate and objective representation of the activities within the discords if you wish to remain welcome in them.

Torbschka wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics @Checkmath @Joy_Division and the others.

Just some feedback / input regarding your discord channels and your behaviour in there.

Plesse, act actually more like a moderator and make it more structured. As @Blobsky already strifed in a further post, some of the discord are pure chaos.

Some things you should 100% do.

1. make a write up about the "major" concerns every week / few days with bullet points.
2. those points will get discussed again, u reevaluate it again.
3. the list should be get "shorter" every week, so every class will have just a "few" (4-6) concerns changes which will be discussed, since we shouldnt be so deillusional that we think we will get pages for every class implemented.
4. after the major concerns are highlighted, THEN we discuss real changes to passives / skills which will adjust those concerns.

This is actually a circle for 1 month. Please create an extra channel for those "weekly" summarys by u, since the channels createdyet are mostly "fluted" with spam and without proper moderation will end up in Chaos.

I dont mean to be rude, I know u guys are just "out" there for 2 days, but u should start organize things from the start. Creating those discords without a propet write up in the beginning how things will be there as a "sticky" post for every discord was actually the first mistake. U wanted this, so please show a bit of professional behaviour.

We already have such systems in place, but I'll start making them more visible and transparent. Each discord has a sticky with guidelines for behavior, plus labeled channels for discussions. Directions for the community are straightforward -- behave civilly, and talk about what frustrates you or what you'd like to see with each class in the designated channels.

Our own processes are not as visible. We have summary channels in the discords as well as external Excel spreadsheets where we are noting popular topics and quality suggestions for future reference and discussion. Over time, we will pull common complaints and pain points out from the mass of discussions as well as recommendations for fixes (which are more naturally discussed simultaneously, not in sequence), and we will restart new discussions with the community on more focused topics as we near our meetings with ZOS.

These first few days or weeks will be chaotic as people swarm into the discords and write out every idea or complaint they've ever had for each class and topic. We are making note of every idea worth returning to later, and we will refine that list down to the main pain points prior to our meeting with ZOS. Please be patient as we collect this large initial influx of information.

Thanks for the feedback! ^_^

The offensive comments were either removed by you or the writer, as they were no longer there when I chatted to Quantum later. Also, I did state clearly this is 'my opinion' which i believe is welcomed, we are here to not only balance the classes, but for non-reps to offer opinions on how this has been going so far. I offered honest opinions and believe that some were very good discords, and nightblade was not. Other people may have different opinions as stated by me previously.

Either way, the nightblade was so unconstructive that as stated, I won't be going back there to offer my opinions magnb wise, as I don't deem my feedback of any interest there based on the chat I saw, so I wouldn't worry - I won't be back in that discord.

Luigi_Vampa

Blobsky wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Talking from a nb discord perspective, people have been giving ideas for something like 10 hours from yesterday eventing, and they went off topic for max 1h around 1am. Not one single hate comment has been mate, no drama occurred and no name shaming happened. You did not say one word in the hours people spent talking, you gave no contribution at all, you came in at 1am, took a look and got out. I have no idea why you are so biased (well, I kinda do since you explicitly express your disgust to having hexys as a representative both on stream, your discord and on the forums, and maybe you think he's the main moderator of the nb channel), but you should consider helping if you think the situation is so drastically bad. Don't wanna do it? Don't *** talk people and initiatives, it is easy as that.

Having said so, since you have a big experience with magnb, about which, from a PvP perspective, today has been talked a bit, it would be nice to have you back there, even though you don't like the people. Give ideas, help the reps to give valuable feedback and keep discussion relevant, or, again, don't *** talk.

I am giving my honest opinion based on the appearance of the chat. I'd like to point out that multiple comments were removed by Kena related to some seriously offensive chat in the Cyrodiil section of Nightblade, and that there was no 'useful' discussion, just waste of time / spite between 10:00~ English time to 2am when I went to sleep. As I said before, I didn't even bother trying to contribute because there was a wall of toxic chat.

I also actually complimented hexys slightly in my previous post, but you chose to ignore that. Note that I am as unbias as it physically gets as I play every (magicka) class. I just want good balance, and unconstructive / extremely bias suggestions and spite posts get nowhere.

Also, my stream content is entirely free and you are not forced to watch if you do not enjoy the content. Anyone on PC EU will understand fully why I have major concerns about hexys as a rep, but he has been chosen and I'm happy to live with that, I just hope he can do a good job.

I did not remove any comments, and there was one incident all day and night which could be considered even remotely toxic, which I handled immediately after you brought it to my attention. You explained to me in pms that you took the joke in that incident personally because it was a jab made at your friend in game, but don't let it discolor your impression of the whole discord. The nightblade discord has been our most active, with the most members and full of quality discussion for going on 24 hours now. There was never a "wall of toxic chat."

Keep in mind that players with less experience on the class or bad suggestions have just as much right to voice their opinions as anyone else. Their input will be evaluated and filtered out as we move along. That's part of the job.

Also keep in mind that people will meme and joke as they bond and get to know each other (not referring to the joke which I disciplined, as it went too far). This will end up developing a comfortable and familiar culture within the discords as they become their own little communities. Don't expect every conversation to remain 100% serious and on topic. We are watching the discussions and making notes of poignant suggestions and pain points as they happen, though. This is all a natural part of the process. Don't worry.

Lastly, remember when we were pming that I said I will not tolerate drama or toxicity penetrating these discords or this program. I was referring to the people who made the inappropriate joke about your friend at the time, but that goes for you as well. You say you only want balance and constructive discussion when writing in the discords or defending yourself here, yet you have misrepresented the activity in the discords, insulted members of the program, and slandered our attempts to reach out to the community multiple times in this thread. We welcome your criticism, but your tone is becoming increasingly inflamed and unconstructive. Please limit future criticism to specific suggestions of how you think we can do things better, and please maintain an accurate and objective representation of the activities within the discords if you wish to remain welcome in them.

Torbschka wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics @Checkmath @Joy_Division and the others.

Just some feedback / input regarding your discord channels and your behaviour in there.

Plesse, act actually more like a moderator and make it more structured. As @Blobsky already strifed in a further post, some of the discord are pure chaos.

Some things you should 100% do.

1. make a write up about the "major" concerns every week / few days with bullet points.
2. those points will get discussed again, u reevaluate it again.
3. the list should be get "shorter" every week, so every class will have just a "few" (4-6) concerns changes which will be discussed, since we shouldnt be so deillusional that we think we will get pages for every class implemented.
4. after the major concerns are highlighted, THEN we discuss real changes to passives / skills which will adjust those concerns.

This is actually a circle for 1 month. Please create an extra channel for those "weekly" summarys by u, since the channels createdyet are mostly "fluted" with spam and without proper moderation will end up in Chaos.

I dont mean to be rude, I know u guys are just "out" there for 2 days, but u should start organize things from the start. Creating those discords without a propet write up in the beginning how things will be there as a "sticky" post for every discord was actually the first mistake. U wanted this, so please show a bit of professional behaviour.

We already have such systems in place, but I'll start making them more visible and transparent. Each discord has a sticky with guidelines for behavior, plus labeled channels for discussions. Directions for the community are straightforward -- behave civilly, and talk about what frustrates you or what you'd like to see with each class in the designated channels.

Our own processes are not as visible. We have summary channels in the discords as well as external Excel spreadsheets where we are noting popular topics and quality suggestions for future reference and discussion. Over time, we will pull common complaints and pain points out from the mass of discussions as well as recommendations for fixes (which are more naturally discussed simultaneously, not in sequence), and we will restart new discussions with the community on more focused topics as we near our meetings with ZOS.

These first few days or weeks will be chaotic as people swarm into the discords and write out every idea or complaint they've ever had for each class and topic. We are making note of every idea worth returning to later, and we will refine that list down to the main pain points prior to our meeting with ZOS. Please be patient as we collect this large initial influx of information.

Thanks for the feedback! ^_^

The offensive comments were either removed by you or the writer, as they were no longer there when I chatted to Quantum later. Also, I did state clearly this is 'my opinion' which i believe is welcomed, we are here to not only balance the classes, but for non-reps to offer opinions on how this has been going so far. I offered honest opinions and believe that some were very good discords, and nightblade was not. Other people may have different opinions as stated by me previously.

Either way, the nightblade was so unconstructive that as stated, I won't be going back there to offer my opinions magnb wise, as I don't deem my feedback of any interest there based on the chat I saw, so I wouldn't worry - I won't be back in that discord.

It seems like everywhere you go you have a problem with people. Have you ever thought that maybe you are the problem? Just from my albeit, limited views of your interaction in this thread and from lurking in the discords from last night, you seem to bring drama with you. You likely feel snubbed at not being selected and I know you are skilled and knowledgable in this game, but don't try to sabatoge this program before it gets started. Let these guys do their work and see how it gets on. Your opinions on this project aren't constructive and it really seems (to an outside observer) that you are trying to sow divison and doubt.

Blobsky

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Talking from a nb discord perspective, people have been giving ideas for something like 10 hours from yesterday eventing, and they went off topic for max 1h around 1am. Not one single hate comment has been mate, no drama occurred and no name shaming happened. You did not say one word in the hours people spent talking, you gave no contribution at all, you came in at 1am, took a look and got out. I have no idea why you are so biased (well, I kinda do since you explicitly express your disgust to having hexys as a representative both on stream, your discord and on the forums, and maybe you think he's the main moderator of the nb channel), but you should consider helping if you think the situation is so drastically bad. Don't wanna do it? Don't *** talk people and initiatives, it is easy as that.

Having said so, since you have a big experience with magnb, about which, from a PvP perspective, today has been talked a bit, it would be nice to have you back there, even though you don't like the people. Give ideas, help the reps to give valuable feedback and keep discussion relevant, or, again, don't *** talk.

I am giving my honest opinion based on the appearance of the chat. I'd like to point out that multiple comments were removed by Kena related to some seriously offensive chat in the Cyrodiil section of Nightblade, and that there was no 'useful' discussion, just waste of time / spite between 10:00~ English time to 2am when I went to sleep. As I said before, I didn't even bother trying to contribute because there was a wall of toxic chat.

I also actually complimented hexys slightly in my previous post, but you chose to ignore that. Note that I am as unbias as it physically gets as I play every (magicka) class. I just want good balance, and unconstructive / extremely bias suggestions and spite posts get nowhere.

Also, my stream content is entirely free and you are not forced to watch if you do not enjoy the content. Anyone on PC EU will understand fully why I have major concerns about hexys as a rep, but he has been chosen and I'm happy to live with that, I just hope he can do a good job.

I did not remove any comments, and there was one incident all day and night which could be considered even remotely toxic, which I handled immediately after you brought it to my attention. You explained to me in pms that you took the joke in that incident personally because it was a jab made at your friend in game, but don't let it discolor your impression of the whole discord. The nightblade discord has been our most active, with the most members and full of quality discussion for going on 24 hours now. There was never a "wall of toxic chat."

Keep in mind that players with less experience on the class or bad suggestions have just as much right to voice their opinions as anyone else. Their input will be evaluated and filtered out as we move along. That's part of the job.

Also keep in mind that people will meme and joke as they bond and get to know each other (not referring to the joke which I disciplined, as it went too far). This will end up developing a comfortable and familiar culture within the discords as they become their own little communities. Don't expect every conversation to remain 100% serious and on topic. We are watching the discussions and making notes of poignant suggestions and pain points as they happen, though. This is all a natural part of the process. Don't worry.

Lastly, remember when we were pming that I said I will not tolerate drama or toxicity penetrating these discords or this program. I was referring to the people who made the inappropriate joke about your friend at the time, but that goes for you as well. You say you only want balance and constructive discussion when writing in the discords or defending yourself here, yet you have misrepresented the activity in the discords, insulted members of the program, and slandered our attempts to reach out to the community multiple times in this thread. We welcome your criticism, but your tone is becoming increasingly inflamed and unconstructive. Please limit future criticism to specific suggestions of how you think we can do things better, and please maintain an accurate and objective representation of the activities within the discords if you wish to remain welcome in them.

Torbschka wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics @Checkmath @Joy_Division and the others.

Just some feedback / input regarding your discord channels and your behaviour in there.

Plesse, act actually more like a moderator and make it more structured. As @Blobsky already strifed in a further post, some of the discord are pure chaos.

Some things you should 100% do.

1. make a write up about the "major" concerns every week / few days with bullet points.
2. those points will get discussed again, u reevaluate it again.
3. the list should be get "shorter" every week, so every class will have just a "few" (4-6) concerns changes which will be discussed, since we shouldnt be so deillusional that we think we will get pages for every class implemented.
4. after the major concerns are highlighted, THEN we discuss real changes to passives / skills which will adjust those concerns.

This is actually a circle for 1 month. Please create an extra channel for those "weekly" summarys by u, since the channels createdyet are mostly "fluted" with spam and without proper moderation will end up in Chaos.

I dont mean to be rude, I know u guys are just "out" there for 2 days, but u should start organize things from the start. Creating those discords without a propet write up in the beginning how things will be there as a "sticky" post for every discord was actually the first mistake. U wanted this, so please show a bit of professional behaviour.

We already have such systems in place, but I'll start making them more visible and transparent. Each discord has a sticky with guidelines for behavior, plus labeled channels for discussions. Directions for the community are straightforward -- behave civilly, and talk about what frustrates you or what you'd like to see with each class in the designated channels.

Our own processes are not as visible. We have summary channels in the discords as well as external Excel spreadsheets where we are noting popular topics and quality suggestions for future reference and discussion. Over time, we will pull common complaints and pain points out from the mass of discussions as well as recommendations for fixes (which are more naturally discussed simultaneously, not in sequence), and we will restart new discussions with the community on more focused topics as we near our meetings with ZOS.

These first few days or weeks will be chaotic as people swarm into the discords and write out every idea or complaint they've ever had for each class and topic. We are making note of every idea worth returning to later, and we will refine that list down to the main pain points prior to our meeting with ZOS. Please be patient as we collect this large initial influx of information.

Thanks for the feedback! ^_^

The offensive comments were either removed by you or the writer, as they were no longer there when I chatted to Quantum later. Also, I did state clearly this is 'my opinion' which i believe is welcomed, we are here to not only balance the classes, but for non-reps to offer opinions on how this has been going so far. I offered honest opinions and believe that some were very good discords, and nightblade was not. Other people may have different opinions as stated by me previously.

Either way, the nightblade was so unconstructive that as stated, I won't be going back there to offer my opinions magnb wise, as I don't deem my feedback of any interest there based on the chat I saw, so I wouldn't worry - I won't be back in that discord.

It seems like everywhere you go you have a problem with people. Have you ever thought that maybe you are the problem? Just from my albeit, limited views of your interaction in this thread and from lurking in the discords from last night, you seem to bring drama with you. You likely feel snubbed at not being selected and I know you are skilled and knowledgable in this game, but don't try to sabatoge this program before it gets started. Let these guys do their work and see how it gets on. Your opinions on this project aren't constructive and it really seems (to an outside observer) that you are trying to sow divison and doubt.

I have absolutely no interest in being a rep, I don't have the time at all. I just want the game balanced PROPERLY and SERIOUSLY as a content creator.

Baconlad

Some great names up there.

In particular I am satisfied with @Joy_Division .

Makes me feel good to know someone with such knowledge of magplar is on the team.

And for @Quantum_V . My oh my, if you don't know him you must not have been on the end of his whip. You see him in cyrodil? Just turn around or accept the free battlerez

Baconlad

@ZOS_GinaBruno did you just look in "Legend" guild and select the leadership? XD

anitajoneb17_ESO

Blobsky wrote: »

I have absolutely no interest in being a rep, I don't have the time at all. I just want the game balanced PROPERLY and SERIOUSLY as a content creator.

Well, if you keep that purpose in mind, in my humble opinion, you should leave your thoughts about how the Discord is being managed to yourself and share your thoughts about class balance with the community.
Why are you doing the exact opposite ?

Luigi_Vampa

Blobsky wrote: »

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Talking from a nb discord perspective, people have been giving ideas for something like 10 hours from yesterday eventing, and they went off topic for max 1h around 1am. Not one single hate comment has been mate, no drama occurred and no name shaming happened. You did not say one word in the hours people spent talking, you gave no contribution at all, you came in at 1am, took a look and got out. I have no idea why you are so biased (well, I kinda do since you explicitly express your disgust to having hexys as a representative both on stream, your discord and on the forums, and maybe you think he's the main moderator of the nb channel), but you should consider helping if you think the situation is so drastically bad. Don't wanna do it? Don't *** talk people and initiatives, it is easy as that.

Having said so, since you have a big experience with magnb, about which, from a PvP perspective, today has been talked a bit, it would be nice to have you back there, even though you don't like the people. Give ideas, help the reps to give valuable feedback and keep discussion relevant, or, again, don't *** talk.

I am giving my honest opinion based on the appearance of the chat. I'd like to point out that multiple comments were removed by Kena related to some seriously offensive chat in the Cyrodiil section of Nightblade, and that there was no 'useful' discussion, just waste of time / spite between 10:00~ English time to 2am when I went to sleep. As I said before, I didn't even bother trying to contribute because there was a wall of toxic chat.

I also actually complimented hexys slightly in my previous post, but you chose to ignore that. Note that I am as unbias as it physically gets as I play every (magicka) class. I just want good balance, and unconstructive / extremely bias suggestions and spite posts get nowhere.

Also, my stream content is entirely free and you are not forced to watch if you do not enjoy the content. Anyone on PC EU will understand fully why I have major concerns about hexys as a rep, but he has been chosen and I'm happy to live with that, I just hope he can do a good job.

I did not remove any comments, and there was one incident all day and night which could be considered even remotely toxic, which I handled immediately after you brought it to my attention. You explained to me in pms that you took the joke in that incident personally because it was a jab made at your friend in game, but don't let it discolor your impression of the whole discord. The nightblade discord has been our most active, with the most members and full of quality discussion for going on 24 hours now. There was never a "wall of toxic chat."

Keep in mind that players with less experience on the class or bad suggestions have just as much right to voice their opinions as anyone else. Their input will be evaluated and filtered out as we move along. That's part of the job.

Also keep in mind that people will meme and joke as they bond and get to know each other (not referring to the joke which I disciplined, as it went too far). This will end up developing a comfortable and familiar culture within the discords as they become their own little communities. Don't expect every conversation to remain 100% serious and on topic. We are watching the discussions and making notes of poignant suggestions and pain points as they happen, though. This is all a natural part of the process. Don't worry.

Lastly, remember when we were pming that I said I will not tolerate drama or toxicity penetrating these discords or this program. I was referring to the people who made the inappropriate joke about your friend at the time, but that goes for you as well. You say you only want balance and constructive discussion when writing in the discords or defending yourself here, yet you have misrepresented the activity in the discords, insulted members of the program, and slandered our attempts to reach out to the community multiple times in this thread. We welcome your criticism, but your tone is becoming increasingly inflamed and unconstructive. Please limit future criticism to specific suggestions of how you think we can do things better, and please maintain an accurate and objective representation of the activities within the discords if you wish to remain welcome in them.

Torbschka wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics @Checkmath @Joy_Division and the others.

Just some feedback / input regarding your discord channels and your behaviour in there.

Plesse, act actually more like a moderator and make it more structured. As @Blobsky already strifed in a further post, some of the discord are pure chaos.

Some things you should 100% do.

1. make a write up about the "major" concerns every week / few days with bullet points.
2. those points will get discussed again, u reevaluate it again.
3. the list should be get "shorter" every week, so every class will have just a "few" (4-6) concerns changes which will be discussed, since we shouldnt be so deillusional that we think we will get pages for every class implemented.
4. after the major concerns are highlighted, THEN we discuss real changes to passives / skills which will adjust those concerns.

This is actually a circle for 1 month. Please create an extra channel for those "weekly" summarys by u, since the channels createdyet are mostly "fluted" with spam and without proper moderation will end up in Chaos.

I dont mean to be rude, I know u guys are just "out" there for 2 days, but u should start organize things from the start. Creating those discords without a propet write up in the beginning how things will be there as a "sticky" post for every discord was actually the first mistake. U wanted this, so please show a bit of professional behaviour.

We already have such systems in place, but I'll start making them more visible and transparent. Each discord has a sticky with guidelines for behavior, plus labeled channels for discussions. Directions for the community are straightforward -- behave civilly, and talk about what frustrates you or what you'd like to see with each class in the designated channels.

Our own processes are not as visible. We have summary channels in the discords as well as external Excel spreadsheets where we are noting popular topics and quality suggestions for future reference and discussion. Over time, we will pull common complaints and pain points out from the mass of discussions as well as recommendations for fixes (which are more naturally discussed simultaneously, not in sequence), and we will restart new discussions with the community on more focused topics as we near our meetings with ZOS.

These first few days or weeks will be chaotic as people swarm into the discords and write out every idea or complaint they've ever had for each class and topic. We are making note of every idea worth returning to later, and we will refine that list down to the main pain points prior to our meeting with ZOS. Please be patient as we collect this large initial influx of information.

Thanks for the feedback! ^_^

The offensive comments were either removed by you or the writer, as they were no longer there when I chatted to Quantum later. Also, I did state clearly this is 'my opinion' which i believe is welcomed, we are here to not only balance the classes, but for non-reps to offer opinions on how this has been going so far. I offered honest opinions and believe that some were very good discords, and nightblade was not. Other people may have different opinions as stated by me previously.

Either way, the nightblade was so unconstructive that as stated, I won't be going back there to offer my opinions magnb wise, as I don't deem my feedback of any interest there based on the chat I saw, so I wouldn't worry - I won't be back in that discord.

It seems like everywhere you go you have a problem with people. Have you ever thought that maybe you are the problem? Just from my albeit, limited views of your interaction in this thread and from lurking in the discords from last night, you seem to bring drama with you. You likely feel snubbed at not being selected and I know you are skilled and knowledgable in this game, but don't try to sabatoge this program before it gets started. Let these guys do their work and see how it gets on. Your opinions on this project aren't constructive and it really seems (to an outside observer) that you are trying to sow divison and doubt.

I have absolutely no interest in being a rep, I don't have the time at all. I just want the game balanced PROPERLY and SERIOUSLY as a content creator.

Well, you will be happy to know that these reps have absolutely no say on balancing the game. They are literally just a funnel to take players concerns and present them to ZOS. People can bypass them and make their own threads on the forums. ZOS employees will still be reading and lurking. At the end of the day it will still be in the devs hands and they have hard data to support their decisions even though I know some people doubt that. If Wrobel wants to Wrobel us, he still will.

Drdeath20

Tasear wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Eyro wrote: »

So who do I send my fix repentance spam to?

Vaoh wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

In my opinion this just seems like it will be a waste of time there are way to many holes in the idea and i don't expect it to work that well especially since there aren't any representatives from console how are you suppose to know what we go though if you only play pc there are players that actually play on pc and console both those are the players that should of been chosen or at least one person who mains console like i said there have been many changes done to skills in this game that benefit players on pc but that don't on console because of how awful the game plays on console it isn't to much to ask zos to choose a representative from console but nope they don't give a flying crap

To be fair, I don’t think console players in general were really qualified due to the atmosphere on console (no add-ons, etc), whereas on PC people have those numbers to test and really understand stuff in terms of numbers at least. I say this as a console player lol. Pretty much anyone I thought “qualified” happened to be a PC player likely due to this.
I was sent the email but could not accept the task of class rep because I’m just too busy irl to really deal with the task. As long as the Reps listen to feedback like they’re supposed to, all should be well
I’ll be providing lots of feedback to the Reps regarding Wardens and specifically balance issues that exist on console which do not exist on PC.... hopefully to relay some of it to the Devs.

We have taken notice of console players concerns and added areas to share your concerns from all platforms in the respectable discords.

Where would I find the links to these discords? Or are these Class Rep only?

The purpose of these servers is to have a consolidated space where anyone interested can participate in conversation about Healers, tanks and 5 classes of all specs in both PvE and PvP. From the discussion that occurs here, Class Representatives will work to create a 'master list' of key pain points and general bugs to present to the ESO Development Team.

Feel free to mingle in community areas and get know some your favorite players.

The Warden Discussion https://discord.gg/sTFY4ys

The Sorcerer Discussion https://discord.gg/fdyBdYa

The Tank Discussion https://discord.gg/DRNYd39

The nightblade Discussion https://discord.gg/peWHrcJ

The DragonKnight Discussion https://discord.gg/KEveQR

The Healer Discord
https://discord.gg/TfjSbu9

Is there a templar discord?

Liofa

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Is there a templar discord?

You can join one of them. You will find never expiring links with unlimited use to other servers in one of the text channels

DuskMarine

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Blobsky wrote: »

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Blobsky wrote: »

First opinions on the discords so far (Note this is just my personal opinion!) Note these views are as a PvPer.

Warden: Did not check this discord as I am not involved

Dragonknight: Extremely well led by @Quantum_V who looked at fair buffs and nerfs where appropriate

Templar: Pretty much empty of knowledagble magplars who play PvP on non healtanks and little activity from @Joy_Division who seemed pretty busy at the time, so can't really say. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days.

Sorceror: HEAVILY bias thread with a lot of very dodgy buffs being "strongly considered" for magsorc, specifically pets, by people with little to no pet knowledge, but also a few good Quality of Life changes to some buggy skills, lead by @Hexys. Ill see how it progresses in the next few days

Nightblade: Absolutely awful with walls of spiteful content and off topic hate, drama etc. Little to no actual discussion after the first few hours (which were actually good). Left the discord and no intentions bothering sharing my magnb experience (my main class) in that atmosphere. No idea who the main lead here was meant to be but it was shocking.

Definite winner was @Quantum_V whom im very glad won the spot!

Talking from a nb discord perspective, people have been giving ideas for something like 10 hours from yesterday eventing, and they went off topic for max 1h around 1am. Not one single hate comment has been mate, no drama occurred and no name shaming happened. You did not say one word in the hours people spent talking, you gave no contribution at all, you came in at 1am, took a look and got out. I have no idea why you are so biased (well, I kinda do since you explicitly express your disgust to having hexys as a representative both on stream, your discord and on the forums, and maybe you think he's the main moderator of the nb channel), but you should consider helping if you think the situation is so drastically bad. Don't wanna do it? Don't *** talk people and initiatives, it is easy as that.

Having said so, since you have a big experience with magnb, about which, from a PvP perspective, today has been talked a bit, it would be nice to have you back there, even though you don't like the people. Give ideas, help the reps to give valuable feedback and keep discussion relevant, or, again, don't *** talk.

I am giving my honest opinion based on the appearance of the chat. I'd like to point out that multiple comments were removed by Kena related to some seriously offensive chat in the Cyrodiil section of Nightblade, and that there was no 'useful' discussion, just waste of time / spite between 10:00~ English time to 2am when I went to sleep. As I said before, I didn't even bother trying to contribute because there was a wall of toxic chat.

I also actually complimented hexys slightly in my previous post, but you chose to ignore that. Note that I am as unbias as it physically gets as I play every (magicka) class. I just want good balance, and unconstructive / extremely bias suggestions and spite posts get nowhere.

Also, my stream content is entirely free and you are not forced to watch if you do not enjoy the content. Anyone on PC EU will understand fully why I have major concerns about hexys as a rep, but he has been chosen and I'm happy to live with that, I just hope he can do a good job.

I did not remove any comments, and there was one incident all day and night which could be considered even remotely toxic, which I handled immediately after you brought it to my attention. You explained to me in pms that you took the joke in that incident personally because it was a jab made at your friend in game, but don't let it discolor your impression of the whole discord. The nightblade discord has been our most active, with the most members and full of quality discussion for going on 24 hours now. There was never a "wall of toxic chat."

Keep in mind that players with less experience on the class or bad suggestions have just as much right to voice their opinions as anyone else. Their input will be evaluated and filtered out as we move along. That's part of the job.

Also keep in mind that people will meme and joke as they bond and get to know each other (not referring to the joke which I disciplined, as it went too far). This will end up developing a comfortable and familiar culture within the discords as they become their own little communities. Don't expect every conversation to remain 100% serious and on topic. We are watching the discussions and making notes of poignant suggestions and pain points as they happen, though. This is all a natural part of the process. Don't worry.

Lastly, remember when we were pming that I said I will not tolerate drama or toxicity penetrating these discords or this program. I was referring to the people who made the inappropriate joke about your friend at the time, but that goes for you as well. You say you only want balance and constructive discussion when writing in the discords or defending yourself here, yet you have misrepresented the activity in the discords, insulted members of the program, and slandered our attempts to reach out to the community multiple times in this thread. We welcome your criticism, but your tone is becoming increasingly inflamed and unconstructive. Please limit future criticism to specific suggestions of how you think we can do things better, and please maintain an accurate and objective representation of the activities within the discords if you wish to remain welcome in them.

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@NightbladeMechanics @Checkmath @Joy_Division and the others.

Just some feedback / input regarding your discord channels and your behaviour in there.

Plesse, act actually more like a moderator and make it more structured. As @Blobsky already strifed in a further post, some of the discord are pure chaos.

Some things you should 100% do.

1. make a write up about the "major" concerns every week / few days with bullet points.
2. those points will get discussed again, u reevaluate it again.
3. the list should be get "shorter" every week, so every class will have just a "few" (4-6) concerns changes which will be discussed, since we shouldnt be so deillusional that we think we will get pages for every class implemented.
4. after the major concerns are highlighted, THEN we discuss real changes to passives / skills which will adjust those concerns.

This is actually a circle for 1 month. Please create an extra channel for those "weekly" summarys by u, since the channels createdyet are mostly "fluted" with spam and without proper moderation will end up in Chaos.

I dont mean to be rude, I know u guys are just "out" there for 2 days, but u should start organize things from the start. Creating those discords without a propet write up in the beginning how things will be there as a "sticky" post for every discord was actually the first mistake. U wanted this, so please show a bit of professional behaviour.

We already have such systems in place, but I'll start making them more visible and transparent. Each discord has a sticky with guidelines for behavior, plus labeled channels for discussions. Directions for the community are straightforward -- behave civilly, and talk about what frustrates you or what you'd like to see with each class in the designated channels.

Our own processes are not as visible. We have summary channels in the discords as well as external Excel spreadsheets where we are noting popular topics and quality suggestions for future reference and discussion. Over time, we will pull common complaints and pain points out from the mass of discussions as well as recommendations for fixes (which are more naturally discussed simultaneously, not in sequence), and we will restart new discussions with the community on more focused topics as we near our meetings with ZOS.

These first few days or weeks will be chaotic as people swarm into the discords and write out every idea or complaint they've ever had for each class and topic. We are making note of every idea worth returning to later, and we will refine that list down to the main pain points prior to our meeting with ZOS. Please be patient as we collect this large initial influx of information.

Thanks for the feedback! ^_^

and so what ive already said begins time to go hide in the bunker like i did in wow and wait for them to "balance" the game and then revert it all because it didnt work byeeeeeee.