What does being a dps mean to you?

mesmerizedish

DanteYoda wrote: »

I think a lot of Asian rpgs and mmo's use the term dps..

A lot of western mmo's and rpgs use the term dd..


I come from a majority asian mmo's so dps was standard.

ESO is the only major MMO where anyone says "DD."

Tasear

DanteYoda wrote: »

I think a lot of Asian rpgs and mmo's use the term dps..

A lot of western mmo's and rpgs use the term dd..


I come from a majority asian mmo's so dps was standard.

It has to be a regional thing because besides the forums. I have never heard of the term in last 4000 hours of gameplay in ESO.

We say LF DPS in zone or guild on PC NA. You guys can assert the terms how ever you like but that's how it is.

Bam_Bam

healing

DPShiro

JinMori wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

xxthir13enxx

But remember, there is only one truth, it's a fact that words have a definition, a meaning, and words, just like the truth do not change at your subjective view, now you might argue that words are a human invention so they are more malleable, but words have a definition, and do not change based on your views, otherwise there is no objective standard to know what the other person is saying, and this could lead to dangerous paths, people are already trying to change the definition of some words to make them mean pretty much anything they want, and it's causing a lot of problems, especially in certain situation, which i won;t go into details here, which is why i do not stand for this.

The main problem i have is the sentiment here, which seem to indicate that people find different meaning to a word then what is in the definition, if you think that, then you are in the wrong, and i can prove you are wrong, just by looking at the definition.

Hmm...no actually Words definitely have varying definitions based on region and phrasing and era.

Taking a ***
Poking fun at someone
Having a hissy fit
Urinating

In the Boot-
In the Trunk
In pair of footwear

And on n on...words are not Math...they are Not set in Stone ...they Are open to interpretation.

Oh n by the way...dictionary’s change and get updated....

[Edited for bypassing the profanity filter.]

Look, this will be my last post on this, because you guys just don't seem to get it.

the point of language is to have a conversation with words that have a set MEANING, if the MEANING is open to interpretation, then you cannot have a conversation because you wouldn't know what the other person is trying to say.

Words have a meaning, they are not open to interpretation, sit, is not open to interpretation, death, is not open to interpretation, you can make a phrase with it that could mean more then one thing, but the word itself has a definition.

I feel like i'm taking crazy pills, because this seems just logic to me, i mean Jesus Christ, if words don't have a set meaning, then you can't have a conversation, this is like basic logic, and by the way, knight still means knight even after all these years, same for death, same for pretty much every other word, you can create new words to describe new things, but words that already have a definition tend to stay like that, because why would you suddenly change the definition of a word? What is the point? Just to create confusion? In time people might have added some new ways where a word can be used, but it's all related to the base definition of the word, Mountain doesn't suddenly become hill overtime, because there is no reason to do it.

Well said, agree

DPShiro

Just because the amount of illiterate people seem to be a majority in here, doesn’t make their conception and understanding of this to be true.

What’s next, word-fluid becomes a thing?

Etienne_et_Isabeau

Lead -> Pronounce it correctly.....

Read -> Pronounce it correctly.....

Gay -> If someone is gay, does that mean he or she is a homosexual, or light-hearted and carefree? Today? Probably homosexual. 50+ years ago? Probably light-hearted and carefree. The definition of the word has changed significantly over the years.

DD/DPS doesn't matter, as long as people understand what the acronyms mean. Just as different words that mean the same thing, DD and DPS may be used interchangeably.

I do think people really need to expand on the definition of DPS. Are you doing a lot of damage to a single target, or moderate damage to a large group?

witchdoctor

DPShiro wrote: »

Just because the amount of illiterate people seem to be a majority in here, doesn’t make their conception and understanding of this to be true.

What’s next, word-fluid becomes a thing?

What?

Brits say bonnet for the hood of a car, and boot for the trunk. Pram for a stroller. That is just three basic examples.

Who is right, who is wrong? Neither the Brits nor North Americans.

Some say DPS, and you apparently have a HUGE hangup about it being DD. Those who use DPS are not illiterate, rather, it is you who cannot seem to grasp that different people in the world, use different words, even in the same language to mean the same thing.

Further, its technical jargon used in video games. Its not Webster's English.

Relax, and get off the high horse, you are giving yourself a nose bleed.

adeptusminor

I think this is the most bizarre thread derail I've ever seen on this forum lol

Irfind

Warhammer, WoW, LOTRO, SwTor, Archeage, Wildstar et cetera (13 years gaming in MMOs) no one ever called an DD, damage per second ... in my guilds an DD is an DD not an DPS.

DD means for me to kill the boss before he kills me or my group.

Knootewoot

Kalgert wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

It's being a DD, not a DPS.

Both are the same thing.

No, I disagree. DD is a role for classes (the damage dealers). DPS is just a statistic even tanks or healers have. The way to measure their damage per second.

A healer also deals some DPS (damage per second) but is not a DD but a healer.

witchdoctor

adeptusminor wrote: »

I think this is the most bizarre thread derail I've ever seen on this forum lol

Yeah. I ignored it until someone tried playing the 'illiterate card.'

To our OP,

@teaser ,

For me, DPS means not having to worry (as often) about mechanics!

Bobby_V_Rockit

DPShiro wrote: »

Just because the amount of illiterate people seem to be a majority in here, doesn’t make their conception and understanding of this to be true.

What’s next, word-fluid becomes a thing?

... “comprehension” and understanding.

conception
kənˈsɛpʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the action of conceiving a child or of one being conceived.
2.
the forming or devising of a plan or idea.
"the time between a product's conception and its launch"

Irfind wrote: »

Warhammer, WoW, LOTRO, SwTor, Archeage, Wildstar et cetera (13 years gaming in MMOs) no one ever called an DD, damage per second ... in my guilds an DD is an DD not an DPS.

DD means for me to kill the boss before he kills me or my group.

... “A” DD, not “AN” DD.

Also, “then” is not a subsitute for “than”. The statement “this can mean more then one thing” implies that it has changed from being more than one thing to being just the one. THEN implies a time comparitive “this happened THEN that”. THAN implies a physical “I would rather this THAN that”. To say “I would rather this THEN that” means you want one first THEN the other...

Tasear

witchdoctor wrote: »

adeptusminor wrote: »

I think this is the most bizarre thread derail I've ever seen on this forum lol

Yeah. I ignored it until someone tried playing the 'illiterate card.'

To our OP,

@teaser ,

For me, DPS means not having to worry (as often) about mechanics!

O.o you don't stand in red do you?

witchdoctor

Tasear wrote: »

O.o you don't stand in red do you?

Depends on my healer!

Tasear

witchdoctor wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

O.o you don't stand in red do you?

Depends on my healer!

Good point...who needs mechs when you can out heal things, but don't go tell everyone I said that. It's less work when people are sensible. Gotten some gray hairs from some dps who play with fire and get burned.

Irfind

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

... “A” DD, not “AN” DD.

Also, “then” is not a subsitute for “than”. The statement “this can mean more then one thing” implies that it has changed from being more than one thing to being just the one. THEN implies a time comparitive “this happened THEN that”. THAN implies a physical “I would rather this THAN that”. To say “I would rather this THEN that” means you want one first THEN the other...

Oh nice maybe my english isnt that good ? Sorry for that, i use Leo.org

I understand what people talking about, but to answer is another thing.

DPShiro

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Just because the amount of illiterate people seem to be a majority in here, doesn’t make their conception and understanding of this to be true.

What’s next, word-fluid becomes a thing?

... “comprehension” and understanding.

conception
kənˈsɛpʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the action of conceiving a child or of one being conceived.
2.
the forming or devising of a plan or idea.
"the time between a product's conception and its launch"

Irfind wrote: »

Warhammer, WoW, LOTRO, SwTor, Archeage, Wildstar et cetera (13 years gaming in MMOs) no one ever called an DD, damage per second ... in my guilds an DD is an DD not an DPS.

DD means for me to kill the boss before he kills me or my group.

... “A” DD, not “AN” DD.

Also, “then” is not a subsitute for “than”. The statement “this can mean more then one thing” implies that it has changed from being more than one thing to being just the one. THEN implies a time comparitive “this happened THEN that”. THAN implies a physical “I would rather this THAN that”. To say “I would rather this THEN that” means you want one first THEN the other...

You are correct, thanks for pointing that out! English (either version) isn’t my native launguage so I still have a lot to learn.
I do however know the difference between a noun and a verb, something people here seem to struggle with

witchdoctor

DPShiro wrote: »

... so I still have a lot to learn.

You should hold off on calling others illiterate then.

DPShiro

witchdoctor wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

... so I still have a lot to learn.

You should hold off on calling others illiterate then.

Yeah because cherry picking a fraction of a sentence for a failed attempt at being snide is how it’s done, amirite

witchdoctor

DPShiro wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

... so I still have a lot to learn.

You should hold off on calling others illiterate then.

Yeah because cherry picking a fraction of a sentence for a failed attempt at being snide is how it’s done, amirite

Cherry picking? No. Calling you on it? Yes. But you played the card.

Anyways, your whole argument is based on at least two fundamental errors.

You presume that slang, in this case, the jargon developed amongst gamers about the games they play, must follow a strict interpretation of the rules of English.

You then presume that your understanding of those English rules are correct.

You are wrong on both accounts.

So, yeah, you should hold off calling others illiterate.

DPShiro

witchdoctor wrote: »

So, yeah, you should hold off calling others illiterate.

Why?
Maybe illiterate to me, means something else. Because that is the foundation you, and others built your arguments on.
It’s not like people was called idiots, *** or even stupid, I would never do that.
Illiterate could now mean pink sparkly unicorn persons who have trouble thinking properly, because reasons.

#StopWordMeaningShaming

xxthir13enxx

Perhaps, all this great debate really needs is an additional letter.....DPSD
DAMAGE PER SECOND DEALER


Also this convo has gotten rather hot...


Definition of hot

hotter; hottest
1 a : having a relatively high temperature hot and humid weather serving hot meals to the poor
b : capable of giving a sensation of heat or of burning, searing, or scalding working outside in the hot sun fried in hot oil
c : having heat in a degree exceeding normal body heat Your forehead feels hot.
2 a : marked by violence or fierceness : stormy a hot temper a hot battle; also : angry got hot about the remark
b (1) : sexually excited or receptive It's obvious he's hot for her. (2) : sexy That guy she's dating is really hot.
c : eager, zealous hot for reform
d of jazz : emotionally exciting and marked by strong rhythms and free melodic improvisations
3 : having or causing the sensation of an uncomfortable degree of body heat hot and tired it's hot in here
4 a : newly made : fresh a hot scent bread hot from the oven hot off the press
b : close to something sought hot on the trail
5 a : suggestive of heat or of burning or glowing objects : very bright hot colors hot pink
b : pungent, peppery hot mustard the hottest chili I've ever tasted
6 a : of intense and immediate interest some hot gossip
b : unusually lucky or favorable on a hot streak
c : temporarily capable of unusual performance (as in a sport)
d : currently popular or in demand She's become one of Hollywood's hottest commodities. a hot item in stores this year
e : very good a hot idea not feeling too hot
f : absurd, unbelievable wants to fight the champ? that's a hot one
7 a : electrically energized especially with high voltage That wire is hot.
b : radioactive hot material; also : dealing with radioactive material a hot laboratory
c of an atom or molecule : being in an excited state
8 a : recently and illegally obtained hot jewels admitted that the car was hot
b : wanted by the police; also : unsafe for a fugitive made the town too hot for them
9 : fast a hot new fighter plane a hot lap around the track

anitajoneb17_ESO

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Perhaps, all this great debate really needs is an additional letter.....DPSD
DAMAGE PER SECOND DEALER

That would be more correct than "DPS".
But it would be ridiculously redundant, too.

Bobby_V_Rockit

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Perhaps, all this great debate really needs is an additional letter.....DPSD
DAMAGE PER SECOND DEALER

That would be more correct than "DPS".
But it would be ridiculously redundant, too.

Yeah, if only we could shorten it somehow, like to Damage Per Dealer, or Damage Doer or something...

anitajoneb17_ESO

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Perhaps, all this great debate really needs is an additional letter.....DPSD
DAMAGE PER SECOND DEALER

That would be more correct than "DPS".
But it would be ridiculously redundant, too.

Yeah, if only we could shorten it somehow, like to Damage Per Dealer, or Damage Doer or something...

That's why Damage Dealer (DD) is the right thing to say ! :-)

aaisoaho

In the gamers' slang there's a couple of definitions/use-cases for DPS:
1. Damage per second, a metric to how fast a player can output damage.
2. A damage dealer, group role.

Then, there's a synonym the use-case #2: DD.
Common definiton to DD: a damage dealer, group role.

There's some similar cases in formal english as well, for example: "he expired" = "he died", but "my passport has expired" != "my passport has died". Other example my brains produced is not allowed in these forums because they can be considered to be profanity. (Tip: a female dog, a very old profession)

In my honest opinion, this DD vs DPS debate is a non-issue and quite meaningless. There can be multiple definitions for a word/phrase and a word/phrase can have synonyms.

AcadianPaladin

Wow, this thread sure has come off the rails. The posts that actually talk about what filling the dps role means to them are great but I can no longer wade through the silly semantic bickering. Done monitoring this thread. Too bad.

MissBizz

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Pew Pew Pew Bang Bang Bang? Out of magicka pew pew Out of magicka?

Fixed it, but pretty much nailed it!

Kiralyn2000

Irfind wrote: »

Warhammer, WoW, LOTRO, SwTor, Archeage, Wildstar et cetera (13 years gaming in MMOs) no one ever called an DD, damage per second ... in my guilds an DD is an DD not an DPS.

DD means for me to kill the boss before he kills me or my group.

WoW, SWtOR, STO, Neverwinter, Secret World, CoH, TERA, etc (13+ years gaming in MMOs), this is the first place I've ever seen "DD".

/shrug

Eh, whatever.


edit: ooh, I know. You can argue about "toon" next.

Drdeath20

My expectations for a damage dealer/dps for vet dungeons;

1. Be able to atleast parse 25k on a 3mil test dummy
2. Have situational awareness to notice themselves standing in damage circles so they dont unnecessarily strain the healer
3. Know enough to know who to attack 1st and when to block or atleast be coachable
4. Have enough defenses to not spend every fight dead
5. Be a teamplayer. If guys need reviving go revive, if teamates are locked in a boss mechanic go free them etc...

You can get by with less but this is what i expect. There really is no official requirement but its a courtesy just like its not against the law to wipe boogers on doorknobs.

True damage dealers make or break vet content. With trully awesome dd's you spend the entire dungeon questioning if you really needed a healer and every dungeon takes less than 30mins. With very bad dd's the entire dungeon is a struggle and you spend hours in 1 dungeon.