What does being a dps mean to you?
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Does the role mean something different outside of ESO to you? How do the two experiences compare?0 -
bri5✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »If you're a magicka warden (or now a magicka templar too), it's like using a wet noodle instead of a staff to deal damage with.
Rotini or elbow?0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »If you're a magicka warden (or now a magicka templar too), it's like using a wet noodle instead of a staff to deal damage with.
Rotini or elbow?
Elbow because they are always pushing to get a spot
P.S much
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »xxthir13enxx wrote: »xxthir13enxx
But remember, there is only one truth, it's a fact that words have a definition, a meaning, and words, just like the truth do not change at your subjective view, now you might argue that words are a human invention so they are more malleable, but words have a definition, and do not change based on your views, otherwise there is no objective standard to know what the other person is saying, and this could lead to dangerous paths, people are already trying to change the definition of some words to make them mean pretty much anything they want, and it's causing a lot of problems, especially in certain situation, which i won;t go into details here, which is why i do not stand for this.
The main problem i have is the sentiment here, which seem to indicate that people find different meaning to a word then what is in the definition, if you think that, then you are in the wrong, and i can prove you are wrong, just by looking at the definition.
Hmm...no actually Words definitely have varying definitions based on region and phrasing and era.
Taking a ***
Poking fun at someone
Having a hissy fit
Urinating
In the Boot-
In the Trunk
In pair of footwear
And on n on...words are not Math...they are Not set in Stone ...they Are open to interpretation.
Oh n by the way...dictionary’s change and get updated....
[Edited for bypassing the profanity filter.]
Look, this will be my last post on this, because you guys just don't seem to get it.
the point of language is to have a conversation with words that have a set MEANING, if the MEANING is open to interpretation, then you cannot have a conversation because you wouldn't know what the other person is trying to say.
Words have a meaning, they are not open to interpretation, sit, is not open to interpretation, death, is not open to interpretation, you can make a phrase with it that could mean more then one thing, but the word itself has a definition.
I feel like i'm taking crazy pills, because this seems just logic to me, i mean Jesus Christ, if words don't have a set meaning, then you can't have a conversation, this is like basic logic, and by the way, knight still means knight even after all these years, same for death, same for pretty much every other word, you can create new words to describe new things, but words that already have a definition tend to stay like that, because why would you suddenly change the definition of a word? What is the point? Just to create confusion? In time people might have added some new ways where a word can be used, but it's all related to the base definition of the word, Mountain doesn't suddenly become hill overtime, because there is no reason to do it.
More “than” one thing...
English is not my primary language. I can do some minor mistakes.Edited by JinMori on May 16, 2018 6:38PM0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xxthir13enxx wrote: »xxthir13enxx
But remember, there is only one truth, it's a fact that words have a definition, a meaning, and words, just like the truth do not change at your subjective view, now you might argue that words are a human invention so they are more malleable, but words have a definition, and do not change based on your views, otherwise there is no objective standard to know what the other person is saying, and this could lead to dangerous paths, people are already trying to change the definition of some words to make them mean pretty much anything they want, and it's causing a lot of problems, especially in certain situation, which i won;t go into details here, which is why i do not stand for this.
The main problem i have is the sentiment here, which seem to indicate that people find different meaning to a word then what is in the definition, if you think that, then you are in the wrong, and i can prove you are wrong, just by looking at the definition.
Hmm...no actually Words definitely have varying definitions based on region and phrasing and era.
Taking a ***
Poking fun at someone
Having a hissy fit
Urinating
In the Boot-
In the Trunk
In pair of footwear
And on n on...words are not Math...they are Not set in Stone ...they Are open to interpretation.
Oh n by the way...dictionary’s change and get updated....
[Edited for bypassing the profanity filter.]
Look, this will be my last post on this, because you guys just don't seem to get it.
the point of language is to have a conversation with words that have a set MEANING, if the MEANING is open to interpretation, then you cannot have a conversation because you wouldn't know what the other person is trying to say.
Words have a meaning, they are not open to interpretation, sit, is not open to interpretation, death, is not open to interpretation, you can make a phrase with it that could mean more then one thing, but the word itself has a definition.
I feel like i'm taking crazy pills, because this seems just logic to me, i mean Jesus Christ, if words don't have a set meaning, then you can't have a conversation, this is like basic logic, and by the way, knight still means knight even after all these years, same for death, same for pretty much every other word, you can create new words to describe new things, but words that already have a definition tend to stay like that, because why would you suddenly change the definition of a word? What is the point? Just to create confusion? In time people might have added some new ways where a word can be used, but it's all related to the base definition of the word, Mountain doesn't suddenly become hill overtime, because there is no reason to do it.There is no, what it means to me, words have a definition, dps means damage per second, it means doing damage while surviving, as much as you can do, that's it, everything else like support, self heal etc it's supplementary.
Definitions involve with connotation that people apply to them. That's why some entries have more then one. For example the discused role means differently to different people. That's what's interesting. How people percieve the same concept.
A word can mean some things, but it's all related to the base word, for example, kill can mean to kill a person, or to kill a project etc.... but it's all related to the base meaning of the word.
I completely disagree with you there, if all people have their own definition for words, then you remove all standards from it, words need to be precisely defined, you can;t have a word that can mean a lot of things for different people, otherwise, you lose the ability to convey a message because of the inability to define your message, also this can be exploited with disastrous results.
People go to prison for this garbage, it cannot stand, and while this discussion is inconsequential at the end of the day, words meaning many things is not.
I do not think it;'s interesting what people think what a word means, i only care about what it actually means, what i do care about is if your argument is good, and whether or not it's true, that;s what interests me.
A more correct question i think would have been, what do you do as a dps, rather then what does a dps mean to you.
What nonsense...
Sure when I say "Bowl" I mean a rounded object made to hold something. You hear "Bowl" and think the same thing. That's obvious, in order for language to have relevance then meanings of words have to be shared.
But when I say "Mum" (or Mom) and you hear "Mum" there are completely different meanings, feelings, associations with that word. Maybe your Mum wasn't very nice, maybe she loved you more than mine did, maybe she's passed on, maybe she's a grandmother to your kids. There are so many experiences of what "Mum" is that nobody will share the same meaning.
Sure "Mum" is also simply your female parent, biological or otherwise. But I doubt anybody limits the meaning of the word to just that.
Ehm what? I was never talking about what you think when you hear a word. I was just stating the fact that words have a meaning that is set, otherwise there can be no conversation if you can have a word mean anything you want, mom, means mom, what you think about when you hear mom, doesn't matter, and doesn't change the definition, what you described there is sentimental garbage.
Hot doesn't become cold because hot to a person means cold, hot can have more then one meaning depending on context, like today is really hot, or this person is really hot, but it's all related to the basic definition of the word, we describe someone as cold to indicate that he's unforgiving, not empathetic etc.... Just like cold temperature.
Which is why i said there is no what it means to me, dps, means damage per second, it means someone who takes on the role to deal damage to opponents, all else, like support, self healing etc, is not dps.
Guys, you need to separate your emotions from what the word actually means, just like how they described how the word gay might have had different reactions in people in the past then it does now, it doesn't matter, gay means someone who is attracted to a person on the same sex, what you feel when you hear the word is IRRELEVANT to the actual definition.Edited by JinMori on May 16, 2018 10:27PM0 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭According to ps4 logic being a dps means bragging about your epeen as hard as possible on mic while being dead 80% of the time.
Meanwhile im not using any of the epeen gear he bragging about soloing the boss without coming close to death and pulling harder dps than him...
But 9/10 pugs i end up with are epeen braggers who die in seconds showing off their paid for maw skins because they have more jaw than skill or common sense.
That aside my logic is kill everything relevant to victory pic up the dead or kite the boss in the event the tank goes down. Pulling heat off healer and other dps while reviving allies. I guess i dont followstreamers to the letter and can do a bit of everything like hold up against a boss for a short while and self heal or heal through trash mob pile ups but overall 32-35k dps pulls on the dummy while built to survive not trusting my entire fate to a guy in robs with a health stick, or a heavy armored meat cushion that may miss a taunt or a bash and lose aggro, and the other dps who may be cp 720 and never defeated a mudcrab solo...1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »More “than” one thing...
English is not my primary language. I can do some minor mistakes.
But that's not a minor mistake.Guys, you need to separate your emotions from what the word actually means, just like how they described how the word gay might have had different reactions in people in the past then it does now, it doesn't matter, gay means someone who is attracted to a person on the same sex, what you feel when you hear the word is IRRELEVANT to the actual definition.
But the actual purpose of the question here is to talk about our personal understanding of the word, and as such, of the role of a damage dealer.
When a mother is being asked "what does it mean to you to be a mother ?" it's pretty obvious that the answer is not "it means I've delivered a child who grew up in my body".
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Avalon✭✭✭✭✭logarifmik wrote: »It's being a DD, not a DPS.
This^Facefister wrote: »
Well, it is the exact opposite for me. In my experience "DPS" is being used by people who can't speak english properly or at all.
And that^
What’s next, calling runners KMH or MPH?
Writers, WPM?
I've been playing mmos for more than 20 years and they've always been called dps.. and i'm english speaking.DPS, to me, means sucking at healing or tanking... one can always claim to be DPS
Because the other two roles are a lot harder.. Tanks need to focus on the job. Healers need huge multitasking and have really good area awareness.. Both need to have leadership qualities..
Dps just needs to kill stuff and follow rules..
WHOA! Don’t go pushing all that on the DPS! Rules?? Next you’ll be expecting them to stay in sight of the healer or not steal aggro, not stand in red spots, etc... i mean, sheesh!0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »More “than” one thing...
English is not my primary language. I can do some minor mistakes.
But that's not a minor mistake.Guys, you need to separate your emotions from what the word actually means, just like how they described how the word gay might have had different reactions in people in the past then it does now, it doesn't matter, gay means someone who is attracted to a person on the same sex, what you feel when you hear the word is IRRELEVANT to the actual definition.
But the actual purpose of the question here is to talk about our personal understanding of the word, and as such, of the role of a damage dealer.
When a mother is being asked "what does it mean to you to be a mother ?" it's pretty obvious that the answer is not "it means I've delivered a child who grew up in my body".
Indeed, because you are confusing pregnancy with mother, it's not the same, pregnancy is more specific then mother, the word dps is very specific.
it's a bit dishonest that you made an example with a word that is not very specific, while dps is very specific, and made it as a comparison between the two.
And yes, it is a pretty common and minor mistake, even native people do this mistake quite a bit, it's wrong, but it's not like i confused bananas with apples.
This is the definition.
mother
ˈmʌðə/Submit
noun
1.
a woman in relation to her child or children.
"she returned to Bristol to nurse her ageing mother"
synonyms: female parent, materfamilias, matriarch; More
2.
(especially as a title or form of address) the head of a female religious community.
verb
1.
bring up (a child) with care and affection.
"the art of mothering"
2.
dated
give birth to.
"her declining years had tricked her into believing she'd mothered another son of God"
synonyms: give birth to, have, deliver, bear, produce, bring forth;
What you described there would be a right question to ask.
But if you asked what does it means to be pregnant to you, which is what you suggested, it would not make much sense.Edited by JinMori on May 17, 2018 6:26PM0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Indeed, because you are confusing pregnancy with mother, it's not the same, pregnancy is more specific then mother, the word dps is very specific..../... But if you asked what does it means to be pregnant to you, which is what you suggested, it would not make much sense.
I'm afraid, with all due respect, your English is too approximative to make such statements. You didn't understand what I meant at all, yet pretend to tell me what I should have used as examples ? It's not only English that you don't master sufficiently, but the entire area of linguistics.
And "then" instead of "than" IS a major mistake, regardless of how many native speakers do it.
And before you assume wrong things any further : English is not my mother tongue either.
(and yes, "mother tongue" is a synonym for "native language", even though I didn't actually give birth to the English language... )
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Indeed, because you are confusing pregnancy with mother, it's not the same, pregnancy is more specific then mother, the word dps is very specific..../... But if you asked what does it means to be pregnant to you, which is what you suggested, it would not make much sense.
I'm afraid, with all due respect, your English is too approximative to make such statements. You didn't understand what I meant at all, yet pretend to tell me what I should have used as examples ? It's not only English that you don't master sufficiently, but the entire area of linguistics.
And "then" instead of "than" IS a major mistake, regardless of how many native speakers do it.
And before you assume wrong things any further : English is not my mother tongue either.
(and yes, "mother tongue" is a synonym for "native language", even though I didn't actually give birth to the English language... )
Yes, i did understand what you meant, what it means to be a mother, that question could be asked, because the definition of mother is not only bearing a child, but also rising him or her, but you used this word to make an example which is why i said that the comparison is not really very honest, and paired it with another word that is more specific, which is dps, dps means only damage per second, there is no what it means to me, because the definition is not that broad and doesn't allow it, if it was worded in a different way like, what do you do as a dps, then the question would have made more sense for me.
Now, you might think that this doesn't really matter and i'm being way too strict, but i have a very big problem with people changing words to their advantage, which i'm not gonna go into details.
Ill give you that i made this MAJOR mistake, when i confused than with then, fine, my apologies, thank you for showing me the difference with your knowledge of the English language.
Edited by JinMori on May 17, 2018 7:29PM0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, i did understand what you meant, what it means to be a mother, that question could be asked, because the definition of mother is not only bearing a child, but also rising him or her, but you used this word to make an example, and paired it with another word that is more specific, which is dps, dps means only damage per second, there is no what it means to me, because the definition is not that broad.
"DPS" (or "DD", let's not get into that one), is not that rigid in meaning. Another wayS of asking the question would be :
- How do you consider your role in a group as a DD ?
- What do you think the role of a DD is in a group ?
- How do you feel playing as DD ?
- How do you enjoy (or not) playing a DD ?
- What are your goals for your DD character(s) ?
Etc...
See, any given word DENOTES (= points to its direct meaning, as indicated by the dictionary and usage), and CONNOTES (= all the link between that word and the imaginary, cultural and contextual environment it's being used in).0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Yes, i did understand what you meant, what it means to be a mother, that question could be asked, because the definition of mother is not only bearing a child, but also rising him or her, but you used this word to make an example, and paired it with another word that is more specific, which is dps, dps means only damage per second, there is no what it means to me, because the definition is not that broad.
"DPS" (or "DD", let's not get into that one), is not that rigid in meaning. Another wayS of asking the question would be :
- How do you consider your role in a group as a DD ?
- What do you think the role of a DD is in a group ?
- How do you feel playing as DD ?
- How do you enjoy (or not) playing a DD ?
- What are your goals for your DD character(s) ?
Etc...
See, any given word DENOTES (= points to its direct meaning, as indicated by the dictionary and usage), and CONNOTES (= all the link between that word and the imaginary, cultural and contextual environment it's being used in).
Well, yes, the question changes if you use different words to make the question, but that does not mean that the definition of the word changes.
As i said before the problem i have is when people change the definition of words to their advantage to make them mean pretty much anything they want, and this happens, a lot, and probably much more then you think.
In those examples you made, DD, means damage dealer, the definition of that word does not change if the question changes, the answer will change based on the question you made, but DD, still means the same regardless of the question asked, which is why we can have a conversation, because if words didn't have a set meaning, then it would be impossible to have a conversation.Edited by JinMori on May 17, 2018 7:44PM0
