What does being a dps mean to you?

Sting864

Allanm wrote: »

The real raids are in SWTOR

Raids in a game are real?? Fascinating...

UncannyLinderman

Stay alive and deal as much consistent damage as possible.

Sharalei

To me, as a DD, it means:

I am NOT a tank!

Protecting the Healer is priority. Stay close to, and give my life for the Healer if necessary.

Ads are my job. Always leave enough magika in reserve to burn down the ads.

Chip away at the boss.

Go nuts near end of fight, any Magika left over after the fight is Magika wasted.

I see it like a colony. As DD/DPS (whatever, semantics), I am a worker bee. If I wanted to be Queen, I would have chosen the role of Tank or Healer.

bloodthirstyvampire

hit it till it dies

witchdoctor

Allanm wrote: »

The real raids are in SWTOR

Yeah, and it only takes 12+ months for Bioware to put one live ... one boss every few months!

So sad how far that game fell.

Tasear

debbiejenkinsrwb17_ESO wrote: »

To me, as a DD, it means:

I am NOT a tank!

Protecting the Healer is priority. Stay close to, and give my life for the Healer if necessary.

Ads are my job. Always leave enough magika in reserve to burn down the ads.

Chip away at the boss.

Go nuts near end of fight, any Magika left over after the fight is Magika wasted.

I see it like a colony. As DD/DPS (whatever, semantics), I am a worker bee. If I wanted to be Queen, I would have chosen the role of Tank or Healer.

xD I love this.

Tasear

Enslaved wrote: »

it means pain.

I can heal that.

Stewart1874

I don't understand how DD's hit upwards of 25k, 40k+ is insane and I'd love to see a build guide on how to pump out those numbers.

I'm putting out roughly 18/19k and pretty happy with it (No ultimate used). It gets me through normal content in my sleep and vet content as long as I pay attention. My rotation is a bit off, sometimes I'll have total brain farts and balls it up or the controller won't register i've swapped and *** everything up. I can't light attack weave efficiently yet either

Tasear

Stewart1874 wrote: »

I don't understand how DD's hit upwards of 25k, 40k+ is insane and I'd love to see a build guide on how to pump out those numbers.

I'm putting out roughly 18/19k and pretty happy with it (No ultimate used). It gets me through normal content in my sleep and vet content as long as I pay attention. My rotation is a bit off, sometimes I'll have total brain farts and balls it up or the controller won't register i've swapped and *** everything up. I can't light attack weave efficiently yet either

From my experience, they live at test dummy.

adeptusminor

Stewart1874 wrote: »

I don't understand how DD's hit upwards of 25k, 40k+ is insane and I'd love to see a build guide on how to pump out those numbers.

I'm putting out roughly 18/19k and pretty happy with it (No ultimate used). It gets me through normal content in my sleep and vet content as long as I pay attention. My rotation is a bit off, sometimes I'll have total brain farts and balls it up or the controller won't register i've swapped and *** everything up. I can't light attack weave efficiently yet either

You are supposed to use your ult when you parse on a target dummy! Also, being at CP cap helps a little bit, as well as having whatever is considered the best gear for your class, with the weapons particularly golded out.

I'm following the meta nightblade build (5 piece master architect/front bar only 5 piece mechanical acuity/vma flame backbar/1 piece Kena or Grothdarr) and for my particular class (magblade), that is where a vast majority of our dps comes from, for two reasons. 1, the damage from the light attacks itself, and 2, the merciless resolve procs you get from every 5 light attacks. I pull 40k+ on a 3m
and ~40k on a 6m dummy


One thing about practicing on a target dummy is it will help you *not* mess up your rotation. You want to get to the point that you do it automatically without even thinking about it, pure muscle memory. So if you are really wanting to improve your dps, practice practice practice! Make sure you get a light attack off between each ability and every barswap. Do it slowly until you get the muscle memory down, and then just increase the speed over time, until you are doing it too fast that the light attacks don't go off.

In the case of magblades, I watched LZH on youtube, he has quite a few videos that show his gear setup and rotation. He's really good at all the classes, but it's always a good idea to find those high end players and watch some videos of what they do, if they have any. Generally though, keep all your dots up at all times/drink your potions on cooldown, and light attack between everything you do.

edit: I'm not posting those pics to brag or anything. One thing that helped me *immensely* get over the 20k dps hump I was stuck on was comparing my parses to people better than me. I would look at what they did differently and try to adapt what I was doing to match (I was letting my aoes drop off too much and not light attacking enough)

Drdeath20

A damage dealer must;

1st) have enough awareness to avoid damage circles and other easily avoidable attacks that cause strain on the healer

2nd) be able to maintain atleast 25k dps

3rd) have enough knowledge and survivability that they dont spend most of the boss battles waiting for a revive

ilikepickles

@adeptusminor I'm at a point in my life where I'd rather drink bleach than ever put that much effort into an MMO again.
Your entire post made my soul cringe.

adeptusminor

ilikepickles wrote: »

@adeptusminor I'm at a point in my life where I'd rather drink bleach than ever put that much effort into an MMO again.
Your entire post made my soul cringe.

That's completely fine. People enjoy different things and I've personally enjoyed watching my skill in the game steadily increase, it's what keeps me coming back.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Stand in the doorway and unleash my bow light attack fury!

Beardimus

DD = Kill all the things

Aurielle

ilikepickles wrote: »

@adeptusminor I'm at a point in my life where I'd rather drink bleach than ever put that much effort into an MMO again.
Your entire post made my soul cringe.

It’s really not THAT difficult... @adeptusminor gave some excellent, helpful, very user-friendly tips. The hardest part of being a good damage dealer is learning a rotation and committing it to muscle memory. Practicing a little bit on a target dummy is really not an arduous task, especially if it means that you’re not getting kicked from vet dungeons for being terrible and are actually pulling your weight.

Muttsmutt

Tasear wrote: »

How would you describe damage dealer role in elder scrolls to you?

learn a button order, get muscle memory, then fall asleep at the keyboard in what is THE most boring game to dps in.

DanteYoda

Sting864 wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Thats what i've noticed too, in other games Dps would be crowd controllers as well as damage dealers.. its why DD makes no sense as a dps to me.. as they had multiple roles outside of hit hit hit....

Dps would be the ones flicking switches and opening doors, setting puzzle pieces etc because healers and tank roles had no time to do these things..

ESO wannabes here really seem like they have never played real raids.

What would the tanks do, then?? Where are "real raids??" The Middle East??

Have you not played any non ESO mmos? there are many many games with real raids.. Laugh all you like but Runes of magic raids were insane at end game..

And the tanks (plural) where busy holding the bosses (Plural) at bay so they can't join up.. The healers (plural) were healing off tanks and off healers..

BejaProphet

The one thing I know about the DPS role is that if the bad guys start running after you, you turn and run as far away from your tank and healer as fast as you can. If you can hide behind a rock, near the start of the zone then that is best. I don't play DPS but this is what I've learned from watching the DPS in my PUG's.

BejaProphet

Itacira wrote: »

Finally, DPS did more than merely hit and hit and hit, which so far - compared to what I've read on the subject of TESO dps-ing - felt like a more satisfying and balanced gameplay, imo. They'd deal damage and do some controlling with individual stuns and snares and such. Some debuff too. There was a lot of room for individual playstyles.


These are my own two cents on the matter.

I disagree. I think DD/DPS have a higher responsibility for their own survival in this game than any other I"ve played.

NewBlacksmurf

Kalgert wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

It's being a DD, not a DPS.

Both are the same thing.

Hmmm .....Perhaps people want them to imply both a damaged dealer role but i read them as DD= Direct Damage and DPS= Damage Per Second which are both types of damage and neither are a role.

It’s another one of those game internet terms that ppl used improperly so much it becomes an assumed thing, but it’s still wrong.

I could see DD meaning damage alerts and direct damage tho but no way was DPS ever a role.

AhPook_Is_Here

To me, being a DPS means doing more than 1 damage every second. You could of course do fractional damage per second, but IMHO if you do less than 1 damage per second you are technically a SPD.

Rawkan

Kill stuff, get shouted at for not doing 50k dps.

boggo

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Anrose

Being a DPS/DD means doing damage in a group.

But that’s not all.

To be a good DPS/DD, you need to do good damage (not godly, necessarily) and support your group. Sometimes that means cross healing and rezzing. Sometimes that means knowing when NOT to do damage, whether it be because of a mechanic or if you need to kite a loose boss back to the tank.

Basically you’re the damage dealer on the TEAM. If you’re not playing as part of the TEAM, then your big e-peen numbers mean nothing.

Jerkling

as a DD (bird flip to anyone who says DPS) in PvE you need to be able to

• pull at least 2 groups of NPCs, kill them quickly and survive without the help of the rest of the group
• survive boss fights without a healer (if the mechanic allows)
• hold aggro on the boss and tank him/her/it long enuf for the tank to get back up
• not f-word up in Trials

Elsterchen

Hmmm, dps = damage per second ... noone can be a DPS.

Damage Dealer (DD): A party or raid member that uses a wide array of talents to cause large amounts of damage to enemies.

Now, my Stamplar as well as my StamDK think something seems off in this description and my Stamblade tends to agree ... can't put my finger on it, tho.

Sting864

DanteYoda wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Thats what i've noticed too, in other games Dps would be crowd controllers as well as damage dealers.. its why DD makes no sense as a dps to me.. as they had multiple roles outside of hit hit hit....

Dps would be the ones flicking switches and opening doors, setting puzzle pieces etc because healers and tank roles had no time to do these things..

ESO wannabes here really seem like they have never played real raids.

What would the tanks do, then?? Where are "real raids??" The Middle East??

Have you not played any non ESO mmos? there are many many games with real raids.. Laugh all you like but Runes of magic raids were insane at end game..

And the tanks (plural) where busy holding the bosses (Plural) at bay so they can't join up.. The healers (plural) were healing off tanks and off healers..

I'm just saying that in an imaginary game, how can anyone characterize anything as "real..." It's hard to put "real" and "game" in the same sentence... ESO or non-ESO has nothing to do with it....

Tasear

Jerkling wrote: »

as a DD (bird flip to anyone who says DPS) in PvE you need to be able to

• pull at least 2 groups of NPCs, kill them quickly and survive without the help of the rest of the group
• survive boss fights without a healer (if the mechanic allows)
• hold aggro on the boss and tank him/her/it long enuf for the tank to get back up
• not f-word up in Trials

Hey now leave some responsibility for rest of us .

Sting864

Jerkling wrote: »

as a DD (bird flip to anyone who says DPS) in PvE you need to be able to

• pull at least 2 groups of NPCs, kill them quickly and survive without the help of the rest of the group
• survive boss fights without a healer (if the mechanic allows)
• hold aggro on the boss and tank him/her/it long enuf for the tank to get back up
• not f-word up in Trials

Drdeath20 wrote: »

A damage dealer must;

1st) have enough awareness to avoid damage circles and other easily avoidable attacks that cause strain on the healer

2nd) be able to maintain atleast 25k dps

3rd) have enough knowledge and survivability that they dont spend most of the boss battles waiting for a revive

Arbitrary numbers are why the devs at ZOS specifically omitted such measurements from ESO at release... "Situational Awareness" is all that is required to perform supremely...