PTS Update 18 - Feedback Thread for Jewelry Crafting

eso_nya

Casdha wrote: »

One thing I think should be added is that if you improve an old piece of jewelry it should be where you can then deconstruct it. That is a lot of mats to use and not be able to get any of them back especially if it is bound.

Even if u could, there is only a chance to get one grain back. Improving the wrong item will hurt really bad.

Vandellia

Extremely Unhappy with the implementation of trait research. I might be able to understand only being able to research a single ring trait and a single necklace trait at a time but as it currently stands 1 trait only is flat out ugly. if you can not afford to spend deep /hard cash to "speed up" research times it, it will take a completely unreasonable and insane amount of time to get everything learned id estimate somewhere around 5 to 6 months for a intense crafter and far more for the typical player which is simply unaccceptable.

haygrubb

POps75p wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

KudnaBeefhooked wrote: »

One thing that I haven't seen posted anywhere is the difference between Pre-Summerset and post-Summerset jewellery. I know you can't decon pre-Summerset jewellery but when something is posted on a trader, how can you know that it will be deconn-able or not just by looking at it? If there isn't something to indicate this then loads of folks will get scammed.

Pre Summerset jewelry will state that it cannot be deconstructed in the description.

but are you able to change the trait on the old jewellery?

Yep. Pre summerset jewelry can be upgraded and transmuted.

NBrookus

Even with reading the negative reports, I was shocked at how bad this grind will be. There will be farming bots everywhere early on, and little incentive for anyone else to even WANT to participate.

Edaphon

Vandellia wrote: »

Extremely Unhappy with the implementation of trait research. I might be able to understand only being able to research a single ring trait and a single necklace trait at a time but as it currently stands 1 trait only is flat out ugly. if you can not afford to spend deep /hard cash to "speed up" research times it, it will take a completely unreasonable and insane amount of time to get everything learned id estimate somewhere around 5 to 6 months for a intense crafter and far more for the typical player which is simply unaccceptable.

Your estimate is a bit off.

Researching all jewelry traits will take the same amount of time as researching all woodworking traits and woodworking is the fastest of the 3 current research skill lines.
Without any research scrolls that's 140 days (with ESO+ and 4 points in the research passive) and you can cut that time in half* by using the scrolls from the master writ vendor.
So it's roughly 70 days for "intense crafters" without spending any real money. If you think that's unreasonable and insane you should stay away from blacksmithing and clothing.


*technically the scrolls only have a 20 hour cooldown but 24 hours is a more realistic assumption for the majority of players

POps75p

haygrubb wrote: »

POps75p wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

KudnaBeefhooked wrote: »

One thing that I haven't seen posted anywhere is the difference between Pre-Summerset and post-Summerset jewellery. I know you can't decon pre-Summerset jewellery but when something is posted on a trader, how can you know that it will be deconn-able or not just by looking at it? If there isn't something to indicate this then loads of folks will get scammed.

Pre Summerset jewelry will state that it cannot be deconstructed in the description.

but are you able to change the trait on the old jewellery?

Yep. Pre summerset jewelry can be upgraded and transmuted.

many thanks

robted1

I purchased a tunable jewelry station, tuned it to "seducer" and set up in my house; no difficulty. The difficulty will be in getting beyond the 3 jewelry traits that are on old jewelry.

Pardon, my ignorance, I am new to beta, but how do I set up a "template" character.

Robted

Taleof2Cities

robted1 wrote: »

I purchased a tunable jewelry station, tuned it to "seducer" and set up in my house; no difficulty. The difficulty will be in getting beyond the 3 jewelry traits that are on old jewelry.

Pardon, my ignorance, I am new to beta, but how do I set up a "template" character.

Robted

Hey there, @robted1.

To start a template character, simply go to the drop-down menu at the very top left of the character main menu in PTS.

Once the template character is created, you’ll have to spend a few extra minutes getting it up to speed ... such as allocating attributes, skill points, riding lessons, champ points, getting a mundus, and so on.

robted1

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

robted1 wrote: »

I purchased a tunable jewelry station, tuned it to "seducer" and set up in my house; no difficulty. The difficulty will be in getting beyond the 3 jewelry traits that are on old jewelry.

Pardon, my ignorance, I am new to beta, but how do I set up a "template" character.

Robted

Hey there, @robted1.

To start a template character, simply go to the drop-down menu at the very top left of the character main menu in PTS.

Once the template character is created, you’ll have to spend a few extra minutes getting it up to speed ... such as allocating attributes, skill points, riding lessons, champ points, getting a mundus, and so on.

thanks

POps75p

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

robted1 wrote: »

I purchased a tunable jewelry station, tuned it to "seducer" and set up in my house; no difficulty. The difficulty will be in getting beyond the 3 jewelry traits that are on old jewelry.

Pardon, my ignorance, I am new to beta, but how do I set up a "template" character.

Robted

Hey there, @robted1.

To start a template character, simply go to the drop-down menu at the very top left of the character main menu in PTS.

Once the template character is created, you’ll have to spend a few extra minutes getting it up to speed ... such as allocating attributes, skill points, riding lessons, champ points, getting a mundus, and so on.

what is a "Template Character" For?

Donari

POps75p wrote: »

what is a "Template Character" For?

It's for people that don't have a character absolutely maxed out at everything but want to test high end stuff. ZoS needs feedback on end-game as much as on the starter new tutorial. It provides instant max skill at new skill lines (unless disabled while ZoS tests skill acquisition) so the player can move on to actually testing the content rather than spending hours they don't have to spare grinding up their skill.

Aesthier

Just one "side effect" that ZoS needs to consider with the farming for jewelry materials and their limited node supply.

We already know the limited amount of "seams" will not support the current population of the game once this expansion goes live.

Consider:

As you level your character the world levels with you that means if you are taking a level 50 out to farm seams you will only find the max level of material. Therefore it makes it next to impossible for existing crafting toons to work this skill from ground up without purchasing from a very very limited supply.

For new toons that are created specifically for this, they will easily out-level their ability to find the applicable level of materials for their jewelry crafting.


The more I think about this the more I feel ZoS is:

1. Being flat out lazy
2. or purposely trying to put gold straight into traders pockets... at least the .05% of bots that will be able to farm the mats.


It wouldn't surprise me to see a bot sitting at every ore node laying claim to that particular node just waiting for it to spawn a seam.

JasonSilverSpring

Aesthier wrote: »

Just one "side effect" that ZoS needs to consider with the farming for jewelry materials and their limited node supply.

We already know the limited amount of "seams" will not support the current population of the game once this expansion goes live.

Consider:

As you level your character the world levels with you that means if you are taking a level 50 out to farm seams you will only find the max level of material. Therefore it makes it next to impossible for existing crafting toons to work this skill from ground up without purchasing from a very very limited supply.

For new toons that are created specifically for this, they will easily out-level their ability to find the applicable level of materials for their jewelry crafting.


The more I think about this the more I feel ZoS is:

1. Being flat out lazy
2. or purposely trying to put gold straight into traders pockets... at least the .05% of bots that will be able to farm the mats.


It wouldn't surprise me to see a bot sitting at every ore node laying claim to that particular node just waiting for it to spawn a seam.

Actually you find 50% your level and 50% your crafting level. So a max level character starting jewelry crafting will find pewter and platinum. After the long grind to level jewelry crafting hopefully we should have a decent amount of platinum to refine.

But, yes, I worry bots will be a thing as I suspect jewelry mats will be very pricey for a while.

POps75p

Donari wrote: »

POps75p wrote: »

what is a "Template Character" For?

It's for people that don't have a character absolutely maxed out at everything but want to test high end stuff. ZoS needs feedback on end-game as much as on the starter new tutorial. It provides instant max skill at new skill lines (unless disabled while ZoS tests skill acquisition) so the player can move on to actually testing the content rather than spending hours they don't have to spare grinding up their skill.

Can Xbox players do pats as well, or do u need a pc account

JasonSilverSpring

POps75p wrote: »

Donari wrote: »

POps75p wrote: »

what is a "Template Character" For?

It's for people that don't have a character absolutely maxed out at everything but want to test high end stuff. ZoS needs feedback on end-game as much as on the starter new tutorial. It provides instant max skill at new skill lines (unless disabled while ZoS tests skill acquisition) so the player can move on to actually testing the content rather than spending hours they don't have to spare grinding up their skill.

Can Xbox players do pats as well, or do u need a pc account

You must own the PC version to access PTS.

Carbonised

Jewelrycrafting master writs still need a much higher voucher value.

Right now they're even more trash than the perfect roe writs.

Considering that you made jewelrycrafting traits and upgrad tempers a grind more than 10 x harder than the other crafting skills, you cannot keep the voucher reward at the same level.

If the current system goes live, I will certainly just press delete on every jewelrycrafting writ I get.

ghinaglia

Hello,

My house now has all attuned stations.

I'm wondering about dimensions of Jewelry attunable station.

It's the same size of other furnishing stations like Clothing or Blacksmithing?

It's possible to place the new jewelry station in a row with the other three without size differences?

Thanks

Elsonso

NBrookus wrote: »

Even with reading the negative reports, I was shocked at how bad this grind will be. There will be farming bots everywhere early on, and little incentive for anyone else to even WANT to participate.

Yeah, and considering that ZOS does not have a stellar rep in the fight against bots, the botters and gold sellers are the only ones that will have a lot of this jewelry crafing stuff.

Stickbow

Have been working on the number of days it will take to reach full traits on both types of jewelcrafting item.

If you started with all the points you could put in JC's research timer trait (which requires that you level JC w/o learning traits,, plus had ESO plus, it looks like it would take 108 days to learn all the traits -- this calculated while at work, knowing only one pair of facts clearly -- that it takes 27 days for the last trait, and each previous is supposed to be half that amount of time.

Being the nerd I am, but generally bad at head math, here's the spreadsheet I had to use to calculate it. I am pretty sure that this is more precise than actual; I expect that they have a rounding that this doesn't take into account; I just don't know if it's up or down, and can't log in to a toon without any traits to see what the first interval (Trait no. 1) is.


This also assumes that you start the next trait research pretty much the second the previous one completed, have the item to research, etc.

<edited to bold that you must have ESO+ for these numbers>

Stickbow

This is absolutely no different than any other of the crafting lines that have traits -- it's identical to woodworking in terms of the number of days (with those same assumptions), since Carpentry Reduces research times by 25%, limits research time to 30 days, and allows the research of three items at once. (So you can learn the 6 item types in two batches)

If you don't have ESO Plus, it starts at 30 days to research the last trait, so goes to 60 days for one, 120 for both items as someone earlier noted.

JasonSilverSpring

Stickbow wrote: »

This is absolutely no different than any other of the crafting lines that have traits -- it's identical to woodworking in terms of the number of days (with those same assumptions), since Carpentry Reduces research times by 25%, limits research time to 30 days, and allows the research of three items at once. (So you can learn the 6 item types in two batches)

If you don't have ESO Plus, it starts at 30 days to research the last trait, so goes to 60 days for one, 120 for both items as someone earlier noted.

I have no issue with research times, but the requirement of getting 10x the upgrade and trait mats that is too much of a grind in my opinion.

I could deal with a compromise of only requiring 10x for gold upgrade and master writs either being all purple or much higher voucher values for ones requiring gold.

I have been out of town all week. I see in the latest release they increased the jewelry nodes. Was it noticable or just a slight increase?

Maybe if they mixed them in with blacksmithing and rune nodes that would help. I get that it would be a lot of work to place new nodes in all zones.

commdt

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Stickbow wrote: »

This is absolutely no different than any other of the crafting lines that have traits -- it's identical to woodworking in terms of the number of days (with those same assumptions), since Carpentry Reduces research times by 25%, limits research time to 30 days, and allows the research of three items at once. (So you can learn the 6 item types in two batches)

If you don't have ESO Plus, it starts at 30 days to research the last trait, so goes to 60 days for one, 120 for both items as someone earlier noted.

I have no issue with research times, but the requirement of getting 10x the upgrade and trait mats that is too much of a grind in my opinion.

I could deal with a compromise of only requiring 10x for gold upgrade and master writs either being all purple or much higher voucher values for ones requiring gold.

I have been out of town all week. I see in the latest release they increased the jewelry nodes. Was it noticable or just a slight increase?

Maybe if they mixed them in with blacksmithing and rune nodes that would help. I get that it would be a lot of work to place new nodes in all zones.

Well I was on PTS testing some other stuff and came across a number of seams. To my feelings they are on par with other resources now, at least in Summerset

And I cant understand all this whining about "how hard would it be to gold out your rings". You couldnt do it previously and was fine with it, now you can. It doesnt mean that you should go full gold from day one, running vet trials, leaderbords and "The Golden" vendor should still be the primary source of gold rings, but now you just have an option to do it the other way if you absolutely need golden rings.

MisterKarnos

After deconning 2000 necklaces of cp160 gold quality i finally reached rank 50 in jewelry crafting, so yes its def the most grindy skill line so far, it wont take that much considering the intricates + inspiration you can get from the writs.
Still imagining to get that on more than one character seems pretty awful.

glavius

MisterKarnos wrote: »

After deconning 2000 necklaces of cp160 gold quality i finally reached rank 50 in jewelry crafting, so yes its def the most grindy skill line so far, it wont take that much considering the intricates + inspiration you can get from the writs.
Still imagining to get that on more than one character seems pretty awful.

I heard numbers around 330 purple to get max level.

MisterKarnos

on the current PTS week its 2000 i just tested it.

Ashtaris

Carbonised wrote: »

Jewelrycrafting master writs still need a much higher voucher value.

Right now they're even more trash than the perfect roe writs.

Considering that you made jewelrycrafting traits and upgrad tempers a grind more than 10 x harder than the other crafting skills, you cannot keep the voucher reward at the same level.

If the current system goes live, I will certainly just press delete on every jewelrycrafting writ I get.

I might not delete them, but I’ll keep them in storage until such time that ZOS admits: “Oh, I guess we screwed up!” and changes the system.

Jayne_Doe

POps75p wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

I'm stunned that the attunable stations cost 250 vouchers. I wasn't a fan that woodworking cost the same as cloth and blacksmith either, but this is robbery.

Reasonably 100 writ vouchers would be sufficient?

so each of the add on for crafting jewl will be 250 each, even if you already own the current station.

All attunable stations (BS, WW, C) cost 250, though, so it's at least something the JC ones don't cost more.

Edaphon

glavius wrote: »

MisterKarnos wrote: »

After deconning 2000 necklaces of cp160 gold quality i finally reached rank 50 in jewelry crafting, so yes its def the most grindy skill line so far, it wont take that much considering the intricates + inspiration you can get from the writs.
Still imagining to get that on more than one character seems pretty awful.

I heard numbers around 330 purple to get max level.

Yeah, 333 purple items.
Gold items seem to give far less inspiration for some reason.

Could you please test this again with purple items, @MisterKarnos ?

MisterKarnos

Like you said @Edaphon doing it again it took me 361 purple cp160 jewelry to hit rank 50, so gold jewelry gives far less inspiration than i would expect.
I hope that gets changed gold should at least give the same inspiration than purple.

Gythral

While doing the Jewellery Certification quest, the area of the table is highlighted on the map of Alinor, but the stations do not have a quest marker on them