1500 crowns per outfit slot (1 slot) just under $1200 for every slot

NyassaV

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Lmao. Just when you think ZoS couldn't sink much further with the price of *** in this game, they pull out yet another whopper. Well played I suppose. Thought they had hit rock bottom already. Seems I was wrong.

I thought they were cleaning up a bit... Seems not

Ley

This is unfortunate. At first glance, I thought for sure this was a mistake. I was planning on buying 1-2 slots for convenience but can't justify it on a per character base.

disintegr8

It is a non essential component of the game which you do not have to buy.
If I want a Porsche but can only afford a Hyundai, do I complain to Porsche about trying to rip me off?

temjiu

Here's what I feel would be an equitable system:

1) I slot for F2P players, 3 slots for subs. This is common in the industry, and again attracts players towards subs.
2) 1500 for account wide unlock, 300 for single slot one toon. Having both options would appeal to both player types: Those with alt-itis, and those who play with only one or two toons.
3) Gold costs reduced by 60% at minimum for basic changes, and 40% for rare or advanced changes (i.e. rare motifs or limited access sets). This would keep the costs within reasonable expectations (based on other games in the genre).
4) an option to #3 would be drastically reduced fees for subs, and only slightly reduced fees for f2p. Again, working with the intention of motivation players to go sub.
5) tokens could be incentivized by expanding their usefulness. Example: outfit token can be use to change an outfit once for free, OR used once to unlock a single rare motif look on one outfit. one piece pf gear, one time. This would make tokens appeal to even those that have gold, and already have purchased slots, but want to try out that ONE look, while still keeping the motif market making their moneys.

Ley

disintegr8 wrote: »

It is a non essential component of the game which you do not have to buy.
If I want a Porsche but can only afford a Hyundai, do I complain to Porsche about trying to rip me off?

@disintegr8

For me personally it's not a matter of not being able to afford it, it just doesn't feel like it's worth the amount their asking for it. I will be fine without it but can't help to feel disappointed. Especially after they initially talked about the extra outfit slots being account wide in the live sessions.

In your own words "Everyone's entitled to an opinion."

temjiu

disintegr8 wrote: »

It is a non essential component of the game which you do not have to buy.
If I want a Porsche but can only afford a Hyundai, do I complain to Porsche about trying to rip me off?

That's a poor analogy. Even Porsche has to contend in a market. A competitive market at that. and in all honesty, the current prices ZOS has are not competitive. Many MMO's offer similar or even better systems, and cheaper prices. Competitive market.

And while you consider customization a luxury. I consider it a necessity. I consider PvP a luxury (and an unwanted one at that), and trials a luxury as well (a wanted luxury). Should we start charging for those?

Raideen

Kendaric wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Why are people so upset by something that no-one forces you to spend money on? Am I missing something here?

I understand it is overpriced and it would be nicer to have it for free or cheaper but as we didn't have it before, a little bit has been given for free as part of the patch, and for most of us it won't affect the day to day gameplay, is it really worth this amount of outpouring?

I know I'm gonna get flamed here but I am genuinely flummoxed by the response

For some of us it affects our enjoyment of the game.

I don't do dungeons or PvP, I play ESO to RP and that includes getting my characters to look as close to how I envision them to look. For me, it's what gives me a sense of accomplishment.
So, yes, I think it's worth the "amount of outpouring".

Exactly. All of these people who say "you don't have to use the system, its cosmetic" clearly fail to realize that people play games for different reasons. Role play in the fantasy realm has always been popular for many people.

I don't understand why people who choose to collect, or get immersed in the game through collectables are the ones forced to monetize the game.

Personally, I think ZoS should start charging crowns per dungeon run. THEN maybe these people would understand how the role play/collector community feel.

logarifmik

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

Hi @josiahva,

Thank so much for your kind words, we're really glad to hear you're enjoying the new content!

We appreciate your feedback and the fact that you left the discussion open for varying view points. We do truly appreciate all feedback, whether it's constructive feedback criticism or compliments and praise, we can't wait to see more of what everyone thinks of the new content so far.

I'll just live this here. Posted in "Good job ZOS, I love the DLC" thread.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

lordrichter wrote: »

After sleeping on it, I am planning to follow @Mayrael and unsub when my ESO Plus renewal comes up. The pull of the Crafting Bag is strong, but I can live without it.

I'd join you but I unsubbed when the Crates landed and I haven't re-subbed since. >.> Putting off buying the next Chapter until it goes on sale sounds like a good idea though; I'll do that.

It occurs to me that for the current price of an Outfit slot I could make a new character who looks exactly the same as an existing character and use the new alt's 'free' Outfit slot for a similar effect of a new Outfit slot with the added bonus of having an entire alt's worth of backpack space. What were they thinking???

disintegr8

temjiu wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

It is a non essential component of the game which you do not have to buy.
If I want a Porsche but can only afford a Hyundai, do I complain to Porsche about trying to rip me off?

That's a poor analogy. Even Porsche has to contend in a market. A competitive market at that. and in all honesty, the current prices ZOS has are not competitive. Many MMO's offer similar or even better systems, and cheaper prices. Competitive market.

And while you consider customization a luxury. I consider it a necessity. I consider PvP a luxury (and an unwanted one at that), and trials a luxury as well (a wanted luxury). Should we start charging for those?

But plenty of people can afford a Porsche, so they buy them. Based on the mounts and costumes I see that have been purchased from the Crown store, there will also be plenty of people who will happily spend the money on outfit slots.

I'm also not sure who the Crown store is competing with - anyone who has the game can only buy from the Crwon store, so there is no competition. If people like another MMO as much as ESO, I guess they might quit ESO full time if they think they are being ripped off but I'm not sure the cost of outfit slots alone will make many people quit the game.

Outfits, costumes, hats, hairstyles and 'fancy' mounts, etc., are purely personal (vanity) items which someone wants or doesn't want. They don't help with skills, experience, gear or game progression, unlike going into Cyrodiil or running trials.

Be assured, I do not like the Crown Store, so only use it for character slots and the occasional purchase to spend the gems I get from free crown crates.

But if I was to complain about anything in the Crown store, it would be the ridiculous cost of a simple name change - only because when I started on PS4, our character names were not displayed to anyone, so I have some very boring names that I would like to change. Now everyone can see their names but it doesn't annoy me enough to venture to the Crown store.

temjiu

logarifmik wrote: »

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

Hi @josiahva,

Thank so much for your kind words, we're really glad to hear you're enjoying the new content!

We appreciate your feedback and the fact that you left the discussion open for varying view points. We do truly appreciate all feedback, whether it's constructive feedback criticism or compliments and praise, we can't wait to see more of what everyone thinks of the new content so far.

I'll just live this here. Posted in "Good job ZOS, I love the DLC" thread.

Just to inject some positivism into the thread, I will say that many aspects of the DLC are very good. When it comes to content design, ESO is a solid contender, and has been since the Orsinium DLC. And it's heartening to get responses that they do listen.

Sadly though, this thread is devoid of them. And while I understand why (I wouldn't want to paint a target on myself as a CSR), at the same time there are plenty of good natured people in this thread with solid constructive criticism, and real world examples. a friendly "Hey, btw, we are listening and taking your concerns into account on the new customization system" wouldn't be a bad thing.

GizmoX64

1500 crowns for one outfit slot for one character is ludicrous.
Most Costumes can be bought for 500 to 2000 crowns, have one look, can't be dyed (unless plus), but are ACCOUNT WIDE.
I will not pay 1500 crowns for a single toon, but would pay it if it was account wide, like all their other visual bobs and dodads.
I would pay 2000 crowns for an account wide outfit unlock, 750 for a single toon unlock.

Now that we can essentially make any outfit we want based on current motifs, they will have to come up with truly unique Costumes now, instead of just pawing off motif costumes. (Imperial costumes, Mages guild, among others)
I'm looking forward to what they come up with to compete with our custom ones, because I REALLY love the Treasure Hunter costume and wish it would come back as crown and not crate form...

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Treasure_Hunter_(Costume)

Gnortranermara

You get a free outfit for each character and you are not required to purchase any additional outfit slots to fully enjoy the new system. The cost of buying them all is irrelevant because it is 100% optional and conveniently broken down so you can buy as few outfit slots as you want instead of buying all of them.

/thread

Esha76

logarifmik wrote: »

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

Hi @josiahva,

Thank so much for your kind words, we're really glad to hear you're enjoying the new content!

We appreciate your feedback and the fact that you left the discussion open for varying view points. We do truly appreciate all feedback, whether it's constructive feedback criticism or compliments and praise, we can't wait to see more of what everyone thinks of the new content so far.

I'll just live this here. Posted in "Good job ZOS, I love the DLC" thread.

Oh look at you being all smug and smart...

Well I'll just leave these numbers here for you specifically.

At this time:
The "Good Job ZOS" thread you linked: 1k views and 39 replies.

This thread (which I am NOT the author of btw): 15.1k views and 433 replies. Which are overwhelmingly individual responses expressing distaste for the cost of the inflated outfit slot price.

I haven not tried the dungeons, or the home storage. That all might be the greatest content in the history of video games. And surprise surprise... I hope it is. I hope it is so good that ZOS can justifiably charge double for this DLC. While I'm at it, I also hope ZOS stomps all their competitors and dominates the MMO market.

But I hope they do so without "nickel and dime'ing" their loyal customer base. I will not support this company while it charges 1500 crowns per character, per slot. I am adamantly against this. As much as I am against smug, sanctimonious, and condescending people attacking others for having an opinion on content they care a great deal about.

Esha76

And while I’m still at it….

That free slot, some of you are so hell bent on making us feel guilty about, isn’t as great as it seems.

I have 14 characters. Most of which are 3+ years old. They have some world drop sets, on top of crafted sets. Long story short, a lot of my characters have vey mismatched looking gear.

Now I can use my generous free slot to just make a whole new outfit. But what if I really like most of the outfit I already crafted? Crafted gear from a motif I spend a large amount of time, gold, or cash on… So, I only want to change the appearance of one of two pieces? Free slot burned up just to flush out the character’s appearance.

Or worse: Maybe I just want to dye my weapons and nothing else. Well, in that case, that free slot is burned up just to dye to weapons. No alternate outfit for that character. Unless I blow 1500 crowns, which I refuse to spend that much for this function, on just one character only.

And just for argument sake… if the 1500 crowns were account wide, I would have bought 3 or 4 account slots by now. Quite probably more, with the intention of buying all 10 slots over time. Instead ZOS will get zero from me. Yet I waste my time on this thread, pleading my case, and arguing with some of you people. I’d much rather be squee’ing my black little heart out while making several new outfits for all my characters, with all the hard-earned motifs I have gathered since the launch of this game.

Therefore, no, I don’t get to fully enjoy the system. Hence why I am here, voicing my opinion to ZOS instead of buying reasonably priced outfit slots and making new outfits. And, as this is the medium in which ZOS prefers us to communicate to them, I’ll be damned before I tolerate anyone attacking myself, or others, for feeling a similar way about the deployment of this system.

Eatmyface

Wow. I'm someone who likes to support the game (100k of crowns sitting there from the last sale), but that's not ok at all.

logarifmik

@Esha76, if you think, that I'm just flaming here, you are wrong. I posted this quote for only one reason, to show devs, that this thread need an official answer too. Any answer will do, much better, than ignoring, you know.

temjiu wrote: »

Sadly though, this thread is devoid of them. And while I understand why (I wouldn't want to paint a target on myself as a CSR), at the same time there are plenty of good natured people in this thread with solid constructive criticism, and real world examples. a friendly "Hey, btw, we are listening and taking your concerns into account on the new customization system" wouldn't be a bad thing.

That's exactly my point! Why is it so difficult for devs to post any official answer to all criticism in this thread as well, huh?

Elsonso

Esha76 wrote: »

Or worse: Maybe I just want to dye my weapons and nothing else. Well, in that case, that free slot is burned up just to dye to weapons. No alternate outfit for that character. Unless I blow 1500 crowns, which I refuse to spend that much for this function, on just one character only.

In the end, I discovered that what my characters are already wearing is what I want. The only thing I am considering is blowing the slot on nothing more than weapon dyes.

I might have experimented with a new look, but while the system itself is very nice, it isn't very approachable. After seeing what they did with the Outfit Slots, I mainly just want to forget the whole system exists. I'd rather not be part of it.

Angelisaur

Joining this thread to say I just purchased the additional outfit slot without realizing it was character-only. Got the rude awakening when I rushed off to try and construct a second outfit on another character and lol nope still only 1 outfit slot. Wish I had read this forum first I feel incredibly ripped off now. Nowhere on the purchasing tab does it even SAY that the token is character-only. Granted, it doesn't say account-wide on there either, and it's my fault for assuming, but for 1500 crowns...? This really puts a bad taste in my mouth. Here's hoping Zeni changes this, someday.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Angelisaur wrote: »

Joining this thread to say I just purchased the additional outfit slot without realizing it was character-only. Got the rude awakening when I rushed off to try and construct a second outfit on another character and lol nope still only 1 outfit slot. Wish I had read this forum first I feel incredibly ripped off now. Nowhere on the purchasing tab does it even SAY that the token is character-only. Granted, it doesn't say account-wide on there either, and it's my fault for assuming, but for 1500 crowns...? This really puts a bad taste in my mouth. Here's hoping Zeni changes this, someday.

@Angelisaur Maybe contact Customer Service and ask for a refund? The worst they can do is say no.

Angelisaur

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Angelisaur wrote: »

Joining this thread to say I just purchased the additional outfit slot without realizing it was character-only. Got the rude awakening when I rushed off to try and construct a second outfit on another character and lol nope still only 1 outfit slot. Wish I had read this forum first I feel incredibly ripped off now. Nowhere on the purchasing tab does it even SAY that the token is character-only. Granted, it doesn't say account-wide on there either, and it's my fault for assuming, but for 1500 crowns...? This really puts a bad taste in my mouth. Here's hoping Zeni changes this, someday.

@Angelisaur Maybe contact Customer Service and ask for a refund? The worst they can do is say no.

Not a bad idea, honestly. If absolutely nothing else, it might help make them aware that they need to change the wording on the token purchase, so others don't make the same mistake.

manavortex

I was so super-excited about this, and was already looking forward to styling my characters, and then I found out that costume slots aren't account wide.
My excitement immediately deflated back to where it was when I was urning in vain. I'm not even mad anymore. Just disappointed. This could've been so great, and then they ruin it with money grabbing on that scale?

Baracuta

We may have a chance to see just how far ZOS will go to ignore us. I say we rally to Twitch for the upcoming stream on Friday, where we fill the chat with text so imbued with disappointment and wrath that they'll either make comment on the matter, or show how far they're willing to go with tip-toeing around this, and other, controversies.

Here's to us, lads and ladettes. We must be heard, and this now is the time.

Esha76

logarifmik wrote: »

@Esha76, if you think, that I'm just flaming here, you are wrong. I posted this quote for only one reason, to show devs, that this thread need an official answer too. Any answer will do, much better, than ignoring, you know.

temjiu wrote: »

Sadly though, this thread is devoid of them. And while I understand why (I wouldn't want to paint a target on myself as a CSR), at the same time there are plenty of good natured people in this thread with solid constructive criticism, and real world examples. a friendly "Hey, btw, we are listening and taking your concerns into account on the new customization system" wouldn't be a bad thing.

That's exactly my point! Why is it so difficult for devs to post any official answer to all criticism in this thread as well, huh?

@logarifmik

I do sincerely apologize, in that case. I have become rather defensive, and protective, after some of the remarks made here by others.

Please accept my apologies, and regret, for my attitude towards you and your post.

cabbageub17_ESO

ummmm ... sorta doesn't look so great to bury this thread by pulling it from General discussion. Just PR speaking.

frausty

Lysette wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Esha76 wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Why are people so upset by something that no-one forces you to spend money on? Am I missing something here?

Frausty, you are right, we got something for free - but it is a teaser for an overpriced feature - like with drugs, the first is free, and that is how this feels with these outfit slots - it is just a method to drag us into buying their overpriced slots and tokens.

And from an economical perspective that is not good for ZOS as well - they will not make more money with it, but less than they could have with a reasonable and more customer-friendly pricing - so it is a loss-loss situation, not a win-win.

A sensible response to my initial question. I don't see it as a drug at all but then the appearance of my character doesn't bother me as long as I am wearing something that is appropriate to my character. As an example, my main is a Dark Elf so when I craft my armour I do it in a Dark Elf "style". What I'm curious about is why people see this addition in the way they do. Why do people who play this game feel that they "need" so many outfit slots and why, when asked to pay for this they then outpour so much vitriol at the developers that need to earn a living and a studio that has to fund this content. If you require different clothing for RP scenarios then there are costumes, crafted armour and now the free outfit. Why do people need so many outfits - I'm lucky if I wear more than three outfits in a week in my real life

Look. It is definitely overpriced, (and I realise I say that as a person that doesn't care in the slightest if it's in the game or not), but given that the current price is what it is and no one forces you to spend the money, my point still remains - we are all getting something for free, you don't even need to be subscriber. So why not be thankful and if you feel you need more then spend the cash but not one person is forcing you to do this - it is free will and this is why I am curious about everyone's response.

frausty

temjiu wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

I think the best way to see it is twofold:
1) Imagine for a moment that ZOS started charging 500 crowns a week to unlock trials, or unlock PvP (perhaps even an unlock needed for both). Now imagine that having a Sub didn't change this at all. if you did that content pretty regularly, you'd probably be pretty pissed, wouldn't you say?
you see, I don't really do trials or PvP. trials are infrequent or usually guild based, and I simply Don't do PvP. SO I could easily say that PvP is, in my case, an optional part of the game and I wouldn't care if they charged weekly unlocks for it.

However, there is a large part of the community that finds Character Customization a VERY IMPORTANT part of their gameplay. I'm one of those players. So you may not fully agree or connect with the reasoning, but it's still there, and if you can simply accept that there are people that place priority on different things then you do you are good.

2) There are a ton of MMO's in the market that are in a similar start of Freemium, that offer much better systems for much less. Most the games I play offer multiple outfit slots for free, and more to Subs. switching items in a costume set is free for most of them, and some charge a bit of in game currency (not nearly as much as ESO does). LotRO, SWtOR, Wildstar are just 3 games I play right now that have just as extensive customization systems in place, that are far cheaper, and provide Subscriber benefits on top of that. This is why many people are outraged. We don't want it all for free. We want a comparable system that many other games have, for market competitive prices. It's as simple as that.

And before someone says that my comparison using weekly lockouts is unrealistic, I beg to differ. I really don't play PvP, I could care less that its in the game at all, and if they started charging for weekly PvP access, I'd almost be on board for that. EXCEPT: I know that there are people who really like PvP, and even though I don't, I respect that, and I'd support them in their frustrations with a weekly lockout system like the one I described above. Not because I think it's important to have PvP in the game, but because I respect their point of view and desired playstyle.

Thanks for you response. I do understand that we all get different things from the game. If I had a choice then there are things that I would want that others wouldn't. My only counter argument is this. Before the update was released we didn't have any outfit customisation. Now we do. So having got something for free and then being asked to pay for additional access, why is that a bad thing? This is the same as the DLC, (to me at least). I do agree that the cost is steep but so is 5000 for a Banker I use twice a month when I can't be arsed to return to a city. I paid because I wanted it. So surely this is the same? All I'm looking to understand is why people thing the outfit system is different to everything else that is overpriced in the Crown Store.

frausty

Morimizo wrote: »

cabbageub17_ESO wrote: »

Highlor3 wrote: »

If the "1 Outfit Slot for 1500 crowns" were an account wide slot, I would buy at least 2~4, that would make the final cost being 3000~6000 crowns, per definition those could be called "THOUSANDS OF CROWNS".

If it were 1500 per slot for your entire account I would buy 6 or so easily; maybe more.

Does anyone in marketing actually bother to assess the lost sales due to exorbitant prices? It seems many folks would have bought one or more outfit slots if it were account-wide (myself included), but will now purchase zero because it is character specific (unless they didn't have the good fortune to read the patch notes and got duped---ZOS really should be more specific in-game with this cost). Do the 'whales' really spend so much that it overcomes this loss?

In principle, businesses work out what they think people will pay and launch using that price. At some point they will have a sale. There isn't a commercial business in the world that doesn't operate that way. And that is what everyone seems to forget. This is a game to you and me but to the people what own the company they are there to make money, just like you when you go to your job, especially so if you own stock in the company that you work for.

frausty

Esha76 wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Esha76 wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Firstly where did I, or anyone in this thread, say they wanted “want more for free or on the cheap”? People are upset at how high the price is. No one asked for it to be cheap, and especially not free.

But don’t you dare come here accusing me, or anyone, of not appreciating the amount of effort and resources the developers put into this. I have funneled a ton of money into this game and supported it since before the start. That accusation is insulting my, and others’, intelligence. I will tolerate that about as much as a 1500 crown outfit slot.

And you did no such thing in regards to keeping things “light and positive”. You had an insulting tone from the start, and your last repsonse certainly proves you had no intention. The situation was politely explained to you, despite 13+ pages of it already being explained by numerous people, it was re-explained to you again. Just because you didn’t like the explanation, doesn't entitle you to return with a condescending and insulting reply.

Edited in an attempt to make this less confrontational.

I wasn't going to respond to this but - what the hell

If I came across as insulting it wasn't intentional. I asked a genuine question that I didn't have the answer to. That is all. You are angry about someone asking this question it seems and maybe because I have a different point of view to others, (including you). I also stated that it is overpriced in my original post - "I understand it is overpriced", (in case you missed it). I didn't see a suitable argument in all of the 13+ pages hence why I asked my question. You are aware I am allowed to ask a question right?

Others that have responded to my question have offered an explanation I can understand. Whether I agree with their response, or yours for that matter, is up to me to decide and then respond if I choose to do so.

You really need to chill out more. Go have a camomile tea or a lie down or something.

frausty

disintegr8 wrote: »

It is a non essential component of the game which you do not have to buy.
If I want a Porsche but can only afford a Hyundai, do I complain to Porsche about trying to rip me off?

THIS