1500 crowns per outfit slot (1 slot) just under $1200 for every slot

Morimizo

It is important to highlight that nowhere on the in-game billboard for this outfit slot upgrade does it read, "This slot opens one additional slot for this character only." I realize that tucked in the patch notes this is detailed, but not everyone reads the entirety of the patch notes, especially right at first (excited to try the new system, zone, dungeon, etc.).

This price could not be critiqued on the PTS because everything costs 1 crown, does it not?

There is a blatant inconsistency in the way collectibles work; pets, mounts, costumes, etc., all ARE ACCOUNT-WIDE. Folks could be forgiven in expecting the outfit slot upgrade to be as well.

Not only is the cost beyond outrageous, it looks purposely deceptive.

Kodrac

So let me get this straight... I have nearly all the motifs collected on my crafting character. You know because it makes sense to have blacksmith, clothier, and woodworker on one character than spread them out across more and only have to buy one motif page than three. So that crafting toon will have multiple outfit slots but my other toons will not? Even though I (me, myself, the sole person behind the keyboard) has put in the effort to obtain said motifs? What the actual ***, Zo$? I bet you wonder why I quit paying a sub too. I was going to reactivate my account because I thought oufit slots would re-invigorate me to play again. But nope. No sub for you! Greedy ***. And I thought EA was bad.

Donari

Kodrac wrote: »

So let me get this straight... I have nearly all the motifs collected on my crafting character. You know because it makes sense to have blacksmith, clothier, and woodworker on one character than spread them out across more and only have to buy one motif page than three. So that crafting toon will have multiple outfit slots but my other toons will not? Even though I (me, myself, the sole person behind the keyboard) has put in the effort to obtain said motifs? What the actual ***, Zo$? I bet you wonder why I quit paying a sub too. I was going to reactivate my account because I thought oufit slots would re-invigorate me to play again. But nope. No sub for you! Greedy ***. And I thought EA was bad.

I believe you have misunderstood.

Each character has one slot automatically. It costs gold to apply looks (and dyes) to that slot. Once you log into your character(s) that know the motifs, then ALL your characters can apply the looks (for gold, or for crown tokens, though the latter cost the same whether you are applying a full set of rare motifs all dyed or just changing one hue slightly).

Knowing more motifs does NOT open up new slots for you. Only paying 1500 crowns does, and only for that character.

Kodrac

Donari wrote: »

I believe you have misunderstood.

Each character has one slot automatically. It costs gold to apply looks (and dyes) to that slot. Once you log into your character(s) that know the motifs, then ALL your characters can apply the looks (for gold, or for crown tokens, though the latter cost the same whether you are applying a full set of rare motifs all dyed or just changing one hue slightly).

Knowing more motifs does NOT open up new slots for you. Only paying 1500 crowns does, and only for that character.

You're right. i did misunderstand. i gave them too much credit I guess. It's actually worse than I thought.

cabbageub17_ESO

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

cabbageub17_ESO wrote: »

ummmm ... sorta doesn't look so great to bury this thread by pulling it from General discussion. Just PR speaking.

Speaking as someone else with PR experience: honestly, it's fine. This is explicitly about the Crown Store, so this is where it belongs. Though, yeah, they should have moved it sooner.

That makes sense. Same reason they moved the "Show off your Outfits" to the Roleplaying forum ... oh wait, they didn't do that.

kind_hero

Kodrac wrote: »

Donari wrote: »

I believe you have misunderstood.

Each character has one slot automatically. It costs gold to apply looks (and dyes) to that slot. Once you log into your character(s) that know the motifs, then ALL your characters can apply the looks (for gold, or for crown tokens, though the latter cost the same whether you are applying a full set of rare motifs all dyed or just changing one hue slightly).

Knowing more motifs does NOT open up new slots for you. Only paying 1500 crowns does, and only for that character.

You're right. i did misunderstand. i gave them too much credit I guess. It's actually worse than I thought.

Also, you need to know that using a more exclusive motif, such as glass or apostle, costs more gold than the basic ones. Applying a glass bow costs me 6k gold (just one item).

As a background story to this, I like the glass motif, but did not want to pay crowns for it, so I glued fragments or bought pages from traders. So on Monday I have finally found the glass bow page on a trader for 12k gold. I was after it for some time, so I was happy to see it, but after I paid 12k gold, I found out that have to pay 6k extra, to use the glass bow visual for one outfit slot.

The outfit system is poorly implemented, in my opinion (the concept is great though)

SydneyGrey

I haven't bought any extra outfit slots, and I'm a costume junkie who loves stuff like this.

But I won't buy it for that price. If the price was cheaper, I'd buy multiple outfit slots for 19 characters. (I have a few characters on the alternate server.) But the price is so insultingly high that they won't get my money at all now, until they reduce the price.

Zariah

I don't get why the heck this update made everything so crazy expensive. Im seriously dissapointed with how much money needs to be spent to get -anything-. Don't get me wrong, I do spend alot of crowns on costumes, hairstyles, etc etc. But they have been a decent amount. This update? It seriously felt like a slap in the face.

That price and it's not even account bound? It feels like a slap in the face. Had it been account bound, and been given to every character, I would most likely have spent way more crowns then that. But now, I seriously dont feel like spending a single crown.

Please don't *** up the system and make everything ridiculously expensive.

Darkstorne

Yikes. Not account wide unlocks? That is disgustingly greedy. What if I want to delete a character one day to make room for a different alt? If I've unlocked a few outfits that's a LOT of Crowns going down the drain. Completely unnecessary stipulation to make them per character, when even if these were account-wide unlocks we'd be talking a potential $100 per player of extra revenue. What a weird world ZOS lives in if that just doesn't seem like enough of an extra source of income for the game.

KanedaSyndrome

lordrichter wrote: »

With 15 character slots in the game, that makes for 135 outfit slots that can be purchased. At 1500 Crowns per slot, that is over 200,000 Crowns, or $1500. Start checking under the cushions, folks. The execs are waiting for their pay day.

I see it as a symptom of ZOS struggling to deliver content in the crown store that people wish to actually buy, and with the way that ESO+ subscribers get crowns as well as their ESO+ benefits the crowns are just piling up, and I bet they can see this on their balance sheets, that more crowns are being generated than there are being spent.

So what does this mean for crown store pricing? Prices are going up up up, in a way where they try to make it so it's still not prohibitively expensive for new players that hasn't accumulated a ton of crowns.

The solution to these crazy prices are two things as I see it:

• ZOS needs to stop trying to deliver revenue growth via the crown store, but instead do it by improving core gameplay.
• They should remove the crown payout to ESO+ subscribers and let the benefits be the only thing that you receive.

Elsonso

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

The solution to these crazy prices are two things as I see it:

• ZOS needs to stop trying to deliver revenue growth via the crown store, but instead do it by improving core gameplay.
• They should remove the crown payout to ESO+ subscribers and let the benefits be the only thing that you receive.

For the first one.. hopefully, the execs can stop laughing before asphyxiation sets in. I certainly wish they would attempt to drive revenue from game play more than they are now. That requires a lot of non content work to fix bugs, performance problems, and address quality issues.

In any case, what I think is happening is that they have a cyclical high in player Crown reserves left over from the last sale, and they are working to deplete that. People stock up. The Crown Store responds to help them spend that. In other words, business as usual.

heaven13

ZOS struggles to deliver content most people want BECAUSE it is overpriced. Go look at the imperial courser thread and see how many people were refraining from buying it because it's 3500 crowns. So people who sit on their ESO+ allotment likely do so that they have enough if ZOS releases something they really want. I know I do.

If things were priced more reasonably and you'd get more bang for your buck, people probably wouldn't hold on to stuff as often. If they spent them all, it wouldn't be as big a deal to pick up an extra pack here and there. But so much stuff is overpriced that people hold until that one thing comes along that they can't pass up. A lot of people probably bought crowns during the sale but with 2 crown exclusive houses on PTS and crown exclusive prices being over 10,000 crowns each, people definitely aren't spending now.

The problem isn't the 1500 crowns given to ESO+ members each month. It's that 1500 barely covers anything anymore and, dare I say, most people aren't going to spend their entire month's allotment on a single outfit slot for a single character.

Morimizo

Darkstorne wrote: »

Yikes. Not account wide unlocks? That is disgustingly greedy. What if I want to delete a character one day to make room for a different alt? If I've unlocked a few outfits that's a LOT of Crowns going down the drain. Completely unnecessary stipulation to make them per character, when even if these were account-wide unlocks we'd be talking a potential $100 per player of extra revenue. What a weird world ZOS lives in if that just doesn't seem like enough of an extra source of income for the game.

Excellent point; imagine if mounts were treated in this fashion; deleting a character would remove all those rare mounts you'd collected, including the crown crate exclusive uber ones.

The executives must be behind on their Island payments..... Oh wait.....those were purchased with cash. Nevermind.

Donari

I'll note that I'd have bought the sparkle horse despite its price, but knowing Outfitting was coming along and not knowing the price scheme for it I decided Outfit stuff would be more important to me than a pretty mount.

Once the 1500 per slot per character was announced, the horse was gone. I'd have used up my crowns on it to assuage my dismay over Outfits were it still available. So that's -two- expensive things I didn't buy. ZoS, please consider the logic of offering something super expensive right before something else expensive is hyped up to be coming to the store. Or at least don't stop offering the first thing once your customers are ready to make an informed decision.

I know, I know, since my crowns are all sub crowns (I did buy extra just once, so as to get Twin Sands) ZoS gets my money regardless of how I spend the crowns. But I bet there are plenty of people that were considering the horse and elected not to buy the crowns for it until they saw the Outfit costs ... and then of course could not buy it despite being unwilling to pay for slots. Double whammy of lost sales thanks to myopic pricing. (Yes, the horse's available dates were published. I don't mean people held off and planned to buy the horse, I mean they held off because they figured they would rather spend on Outfits and then realized nope, spending on Outfits just wasn't gonna happen, but too late, no more horse).

Morgul667

Lots of people here or in my guild that are not using the outfit system or not buying a slot just because of the ridiculous pricing.

Many people would buy things if they were priced more reasonably (account wide). Even people who consider themselves as wales see that this is crazy and not worth that much irl money.

ZoS please reconsider this. Your sales would actually go higher. It is not too hard to go back at this point. You just have to make slots acount wide or give back crowns to those who bought some slots already (i guess there are some people who thought it was account wide)

OrdoHermetica

cabbageub17_ESO wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

cabbageub17_ESO wrote: »

ummmm ... sorta doesn't look so great to bury this thread by pulling it from General discussion. Just PR speaking.

Speaking as someone else with PR experience: honestly, it's fine. This is explicitly about the Crown Store, so this is where it belongs. Though, yeah, they should have moved it sooner.

That makes sense. Same reason they moved the "Show off your Outfits" to the Roleplaying forum ... oh wait, they didn't do that.

...Outfits aren't exclusive to RPers. I'm not a role-player, and I like to wear fancy armor sets and Outfits. Meanwhile, talking about the Crown cost of a Crown Store item is literally, by definition, supposed to be in this part of the forums. Apples and oranges.

OrdoHermetica

heaven13 wrote: »

ZOS struggles to deliver content most people want BECAUSE it is overpriced. Go look at the imperial courser thread and see how many people were refraining from buying it because it's 3500 crowns. So people who sit on their ESO+ allotment likely do so that they have enough if ZOS releases something they really want. I know I do.

If things were priced more reasonably and you'd get more bang for your buck, people probably wouldn't hold on to stuff as often. If they spent them all, it wouldn't be as big a deal to pick up an extra pack here and there. But so much stuff is overpriced that people hold until that one thing comes along that they can't pass up. A lot of people probably bought crowns during the sale but with 2 crown exclusive houses on PTS and crown exclusive prices being over 10,000 crowns each, people definitely aren't spending now.

The problem isn't the 1500 crowns given to ESO+ members each month. It's that 1500 barely covers anything anymore and, dare I say, most people aren't going to spend their entire month's allotment on a single outfit slot for a single character.

This. A thousand times this. Purely from a marketing and sales perspective, this sort of thing - which is not uncommon with the Crown Store, though usually not quite as egregious as these per character slots - makes very little sense to me. I guess they must have data that suggests this is the way to do things. Either that, or they're genuinely bad at marketing and sales.

Regardless, the worst part about it all is the fact that this sort of cynical, openly greedy pricing undermines trust in the game. Which is a shame, because the game itself is great - obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be playing. But... yeah. Naked cash grabs are easy to see and ugly, and they're undoubtedly the worst part of this game in my mind.

AlienSlof

If the outfit slot was account-bound, giving ALL my characters another outfit, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. But per character for that cost? No. Not happening.

WildRaptorX

ZOS really need to apologise for their pricings and start anew and refund. (They’ve already made their money might aswell) These should be about 75 crowns. Nothing should succeed more than 5000 crowns (The bundle for 4 DLC is 5500 I think) you can buy the game for £6 and single an outfit slot cost more

WildRaptorX

Francis really ended ESO back in 2014 and now they’ve got to charge us extortionate amounts to feed their families. Shame this game had/has so much potential

Bam_Bam

Carbonised wrote: »

I see ZOS are dealing with this critisism on the main forums exactly like they did on the PTS forums when these issues were brought forth (though that was about the gold cost, another topic that has gathered negative review here on the forum) - by clamming up and keeping silent.

Normally when people bring forth issues, devs at least have some comment like "we hear you" or "it's being looked into" - and devs were busy yesterday replying to comments about the toasted EU server and all the bugs and exploits. But this issue, the longest thread so far about the update? Radio silence. They know they can't defend such a blatant money grab, so they just keep silent and hope it blows over and that people will fork over their monthly pay to the shareholders and executive directors anyway.

It's downright shameful. The only message they will listen to is voting with your Dollar, or Euro, or whatever. Boycut the outfitting slots and use the free one, while changing stuff around for gold instead. Maybe if they earn significantly less than what they had calculated with this scam, they will adjust prices accordingly. If not, at least we're not rewarding them for bad behaviour.

Agreed. And when you read something like the following - well, it makes me sick....

"On February 1, 2017 a Dallas, Texas jury awarded ZeniMax $500 million in their lawsuit against Oculus..."

Anyone still think they need to charge so much?

Elsonso

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Baranthus wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

I see ZOS are dealing with this critisism on the main forums exactly like they did on the PTS forums when these issues were brought forth (though that was about the gold cost, another topic that has gathered negative review here on the forum) - by clamming up and keeping silent.

Normally when people bring forth issues, devs at least have some comment like "we hear you" or "it's being looked into" - and devs were busy yesterday replying to comments about the toasted EU server and all the bugs and exploits. But this issue, the longest thread so far about the update? Radio silence. They know they can't defend such a blatant money grab, so they just keep silent and hope it blows over and that people will fork over their monthly pay to the shareholders and executive directors anyway.

It's downright shameful. The only message they will listen to is voting with your Dollar, or Euro, or whatever. Boycut the outfitting slots and use the free one, while changing stuff around for gold instead. Maybe if they earn significantly less than what they had calculated with this scam, they will adjust prices accordingly. If not, at least we're not rewarding them for bad behaviour.

Agreed. And when you read something like the following - well, it makes me sick....

"On February 1, 2017 a Dallas, Texas jury awarded ZeniMax $500 million in their lawsuit against Oculus..."

Anyone still think they need to charge so much?

ZeniMax Media doesn't have to give that money to ZOS. They can actually spend it on any one of the various studios and games. If I had to guess, I would say they spent it on Fallout, Doom, and Skyrim VR.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

lordrichter wrote: »

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Baranthus wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

I see ZOS are dealing with this critisism on the main forums exactly like they did on the PTS forums when these issues were brought forth (though that was about the gold cost, another topic that has gathered negative review here on the forum) - by clamming up and keeping silent.

Normally when people bring forth issues, devs at least have some comment like "we hear you" or "it's being looked into" - and devs were busy yesterday replying to comments about the toasted EU server and all the bugs and exploits. But this issue, the longest thread so far about the update? Radio silence. They know they can't defend such a blatant money grab, so they just keep silent and hope it blows over and that people will fork over their monthly pay to the shareholders and executive directors anyway.

It's downright shameful. The only message they will listen to is voting with your Dollar, or Euro, or whatever. Boycut the outfitting slots and use the free one, while changing stuff around for gold instead. Maybe if they earn significantly less than what they had calculated with this scam, they will adjust prices accordingly. If not, at least we're not rewarding them for bad behaviour.

Agreed. And when you read something like the following - well, it makes me sick....

"On February 1, 2017 a Dallas, Texas jury awarded ZeniMax $500 million in their lawsuit against Oculus..."

Anyone still think they need to charge so much?

ZeniMax Media doesn't have to give that money to ZOS. They can actually spend it on any one of the various studios and games. If I had to guess, I would say they spent it on Fallout, Doom, and Skyrim VR.

But correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the same true of any money they make off 1500 Crown Outfit slots?

Elsonso

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Baranthus wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

I see ZOS are dealing with this critisism on the main forums exactly like they did on the PTS forums when these issues were brought forth (though that was about the gold cost, another topic that has gathered negative review here on the forum) - by clamming up and keeping silent.

Normally when people bring forth issues, devs at least have some comment like "we hear you" or "it's being looked into" - and devs were busy yesterday replying to comments about the toasted EU server and all the bugs and exploits. But this issue, the longest thread so far about the update? Radio silence. They know they can't defend such a blatant money grab, so they just keep silent and hope it blows over and that people will fork over their monthly pay to the shareholders and executive directors anyway.

It's downright shameful. The only message they will listen to is voting with your Dollar, or Euro, or whatever. Boycut the outfitting slots and use the free one, while changing stuff around for gold instead. Maybe if they earn significantly less than what they had calculated with this scam, they will adjust prices accordingly. If not, at least we're not rewarding them for bad behaviour.

Agreed. And when you read something like the following - well, it makes me sick....

"On February 1, 2017 a Dallas, Texas jury awarded ZeniMax $500 million in their lawsuit against Oculus..."

Anyone still think they need to charge so much?

ZeniMax Media doesn't have to give that money to ZOS. They can actually spend it on any one of the various studios and games. If I had to guess, I would say they spent it on Fallout, Doom, and Skyrim VR.

But correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the same true of any money they make off 1500 Crown Outfit slots?

Obviously, we don't know for sure, but I doubt that all money flows to ZeniMax Media and is then disbursed back to Bethesda and the studios. They might use sort of a "tax-like" model, where Bethesda is collecting money from ESO related sales and they pay a "tax" back to ZeniMax Media. After that, ZOS and Bethesda "split" what is left over and take turns beachcombing in Aruba. The "split" is conjecture, too. For all we know, Bethesda established a contract with ZOS to make ESO. Essentially, hired them to make it. ZOS might get a fixed amount for ongoing operations related to ESO from Bethesda and don't get to go to Aruba at all! Then again, maybe it is the other way around. Bethesda collects the money and gives it to ZOS, and ZOS is paying Bethesda to publish, market, and sell the game, and then they pay ZeniMax Media whatever "tax" they demand.

DarcyMardin

I was really looking forward to the outfit system, especially after watching the devs demo it on ESO Live. They were obviously proud of what they’d come up with...justifiably. They discussed its robustness and claimed that the system offered almost infinite variety—the number of variations in costume pieces and dye colors added up to more than “all the hydrogen atoms in the galaxy.” (Not an exact quote, but it was something like that...an absurdly big number).

I doubt very much that the devs had anything to do with the price...*that* was probably decided by the mysterious “they” in marketing that every company seems to have. But it’s really a shame that I, and many of my fellow players, are not using this great new costuming system at all, even though we would love to.

Someone needs to convince those folks in marketing (or whatever division of the company decides the Crown Store prices) that ESO’s fans don’t have all the money in the galaxy to spend on their fabulous new outfitting.

LadyDestiny

Wing wrote: »

so over 13k crowns for all 9

or $100 at the most efficient crown bundle

fyi it was like 350 per slot on the test server

or more expensive then over 2 chapters (so do you want 2 eso chapters or 9 cosmetic slots?)

seems a little bit insane.

btw slots are per character as confirmed in this thread so its actually $100 PER CHARACTER

so 12 characters total x 13,500 crowns per character plus 1500 crowns for the 4 character slots above base 8 in the first place (6k crowns total) is a grand total of. . .

one hundred and sixty eight thousand crowns 168,000

at the most efficient crown bundle (21,000 crowns for $149.99) that's just under $1200 before tax

Really tired of this per character BS. This stuff needs to pertain to the whole account just like pets and mounts. Oh, and paying to dye at the station now? I mean seriously? Can't claim back rewards on maxed leveled toons, but have to regrind another unwanted character all over again to get the storage chest. I am looking forward to quite a few things, but the cost of things and how they are applied is getting out of hand. I have subbed for the entire life of Eso, from pc to transfer of xbox and will be perfectly content with my free appearance slot thank you.

LadyAstrum

I'd be willing to bet quite a few people have already purchased these outfit slots. If no one bought any ZoS would have been forced to re-think the price. I'm still making-do with my free slots. Much as I'd love more, it's far too expensive.

Morgul667

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd be willing to bet quite a few people have already purchased these outfit slots. If no one bought any ZoS would have been forced to re-think the price. I'm still making-do with my free slots. Much as I'd love more, it's far too expensive.

Probably due to the number of “customers” and the fact that crown store wording were misleading.

But i seriously feel they would sell much more crowns if they made the slots account wide for 1500 crowns. The price is so high it is a deterrent to buy at the moment. I dont know even one guy in game who bought it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

ZeniMax Media doesn't have to give that money to ZOS. They can actually spend it on any one of the various studios and games. If I had to guess, I would say they spent it on Fallout, Doom, and Skyrim VR.

But correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the same true of any money they make off 1500 Crown Outfit slots?

1/ It doesn't matter where the money ends up or where it is redirected after profit. The product needs to be profitable, and when you calculate this profit, you don't mix it with incomes from totally unrelated activities.
2/ Even if a product is profitable, if it can be made more profitable, it will. It's not a matter of NEEDING. It's matter of opportunities.

Let's say you have a nice job which provides you with a comfortable income, enough to cater to you, your family, your hobbies and your holidays. If your boss offers you a 20% increase in salary, are you going to refuse it just because you don't need it ? Of course not.
ZOS increases the prices because they can. They can people people buy.
That's all there's to it really.

NB : Maybe they actually do need more cash income, but that's unrelated.

anitajoneb17_ESO

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

ZeniMax Media doesn't have to give that money to ZOS. They can actually spend it on any one of the various studios and games. If I had to guess, I would say they spent it on Fallout, Doom, and Skyrim VR.

But correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the same true of any money they make off 1500 Crown Outfit slots?

1/ It doesn't matter where the money ends up or where it is redirected after profit. The product needs to be profitable, and when you calculate this profit, you don't mix it with incomes from totally unrelated activities.
2/ Even if a product is profitable, if it can be made more profitable, it will. It's not a matter of NEEDING. It's matter of opportunities.

Let's say you have a nice job which provides you with a comfortable income, enough to cater to you, your family, your hobbies and your holidays. If your boss offers you a 20% increase in salary, are you going to refuse it just because you don't need it ? Of course not.
ZOS increases the prices because they can. They can people people buy.
That's all there's to it really.

NB : Maybe they actually do need more cash income, but that's unrelated.