1500 crowns per outfit slot (1 slot) just under $1200 for every slot

logarifmik

Esha76 wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

@Esha76, if you think, that I'm just flaming here, you are wrong. I posted this quote for only one reason, to show devs, that this thread need an official answer too. Any answer will do, much better, than ignoring, you know.

temjiu wrote: »

Sadly though, this thread is devoid of them. And while I understand why (I wouldn't want to paint a target on myself as a CSR), at the same time there are plenty of good natured people in this thread with solid constructive criticism, and real world examples. a friendly "Hey, btw, we are listening and taking your concerns into account on the new customization system" wouldn't be a bad thing.

That's exactly my point! Why is it so difficult for devs to post any official answer to all criticism in this thread as well, huh?

@logarifmik

I do sincerely apologize, in that case. I have become rather defensive, and protective, after some of the remarks made here by others.

Please accept my apologies, and regret, for my attitude towards you and your post.

There was no need to apologize, comrade. As one wise Vulcan once said, I have no ego to bruise. Anyway, thank you for being such polite person.

Baracuta wrote: »

We may have a chance to see just how far ZOS will go to ignore us. I say we rally to Twitch for the upcoming stream on Friday, where we fill the chat with text so imbued with disappointment and wrath that they'll either make comment on the matter, or show how far they're willing to go with tip-toeing around this, and other, controversies.

Here's to us, lads and ladettes. We must be heard, and this now is the time.

A brilliant idea, comrade. If their choice is to keep silence, we should address devs regarding the problem in a way, which is harder to ignore.

frausty

logarifmik wrote: »

Esha76 wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

@Esha76, if you think, that I'm just flaming here, you are wrong. I posted this quote for only one reason, to show devs, that this thread need an official answer too. Any answer will do, much better, than ignoring, you know.

temjiu wrote: »

Sadly though, this thread is devoid of them. And while I understand why (I wouldn't want to paint a target on myself as a CSR), at the same time there are plenty of good natured people in this thread with solid constructive criticism, and real world examples. a friendly "Hey, btw, we are listening and taking your concerns into account on the new customization system" wouldn't be a bad thing.

That's exactly my point! Why is it so difficult for devs to post any official answer to all criticism in this thread as well, huh?

@logarifmik

I do sincerely apologize, in that case. I have become rather defensive, and protective, after some of the remarks made here by others.

Please accept my apologies, and regret, for my attitude towards you and your post.

There was no need to apologize, comrade. As one wise Vulcan once said, I have no ego to bruise. Anyway, thank you for being such polite person.

Baracuta wrote: »

We may have a chance to see just how far ZOS will go to ignore us. I say we rally to Twitch for the upcoming stream on Friday, where we fill the chat with text so imbued with disappointment and wrath that they'll either make comment on the matter, or show how far they're willing to go with tip-toeing around this, and other, controversies.

Here's to us, lads and ladettes. We must be heard, and this now is the time.

A brilliant idea, comrade. If their choice is to keep silence, we should address devs regarding the problem in a way, which is harder to ignore.

You realise Vulcan's aren't real right??

If I was on that stream, I'd just ignore the negativity. They will have a message to deliver and then they will go on their merry way.

logarifmik

frausty wrote: »

You realise Vulcan's aren't real right??

Does the Pope [snip] in the woods?

frausty wrote: »

If I was on that stream, I'd just ignore the negativity. They will have a message to deliver and then they will go on their merry way.

I didn't said that it'll necessarily work, but it'll be harder to disregard.

[Edited to remove profanity]

Elsonso

Baracuta wrote: »

We may have a chance to see just how far ZOS will go to ignore us. I say we rally to Twitch for the upcoming stream on Friday, where we fill the chat with text so imbued with disappointment and wrath that they'll either make comment on the matter, or show how far they're willing to go with tip-toeing around this, and other, controversies.

Here's to us, lads and ladettes. We must be heard, and this now is the time.

No. When I see people in the Twitch stream chat chanting something to disrupt it, it makes me want to take the other side.

Kendaric

Baracuta wrote: »

We may have a chance to see just how far ZOS will go to ignore us. I say we rally to Twitch for the upcoming stream on Friday, where we fill the chat with text so imbued with disappointment and wrath that they'll either make comment on the matter, or show how far they're willing to go with tip-toeing around this, and other, controversies.

Here's to us, lads and ladettes. We must be heard, and this now is the time.

Voicing our concerns/displeasure here on the boards is fine, but disrupting their Twitch stream won't help our case in the slightest. All you'd accomplish is to drive people to defend ZOS, even if they do agree that the price is too high.

Send them feedback in game, give feedback on the forums but don't ruin ESO live for others.

anitajoneb17_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

No. When I see people in the Twitch stream chat chanting something to disrupt it, it makes me want to take the other side.

^This^
Anyone wanting to be heard as an adult should act like an adult. Disrupting someone else's stream is childish behavior.

logarifmik

lordrichter wrote: »

No. When I see people in the Twitch stream chat chanting something to disrupt it, it makes me want to take the other side.

Kendaric wrote: »

Voicing our concerns/displeasure here on the boards is fine, but disrupting their Twitch stream won't help our case in the slightest. All you'd accomplish is to drive people to defend ZOS, even if they do agree that the price is too high.

Send them feedback in game, give feedback on the forums but don't ruin ESO live for others.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

^This^
Anyone wanting to be heard as an adult should act like an adult. Disrupting someone else's stream is childish behavior.

And what should the community do, when ignored on the forum, may I ask? As Sergei Korolev said, "You criticize someone else's, offer yours."

OrdoHermetica

cabbageub17_ESO wrote: »

ummmm ... sorta doesn't look so great to bury this thread by pulling it from General discussion. Just PR speaking.

Speaking as someone else with PR experience: honestly, it's fine. This is explicitly about the Crown Store, so this is where it belongs. Though, yeah, they should have moved it sooner.

OrdoHermetica

Someone brought something up in a different thread that I hadn't thought of before (and if it was already posted here and I missed it, my bad): it's per character, right? So that means that if you ever delete that character, you lose your unlocked outfit slots. And at 1500 Crowns per slot, that's a TON of Crowns to lose if you fully unlock a character but then decide to retire it.

Wow. I hadn't considered that angle before, but it makes this whole decision even worse in my mind, and I already though it was pretty terrible to begin with.

Kram8ion

This argument needs to go onto other forums or sites for it to get any traction and constant tagging of devs

Kendaric

logarifmik wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

No. When I see people in the Twitch stream chat chanting something to disrupt it, it makes me want to take the other side.

Kendaric wrote: »

Voicing our concerns/displeasure here on the boards is fine, but disrupting their Twitch stream won't help our case in the slightest. All you'd accomplish is to drive people to defend ZOS, even if they do agree that the price is too high.

Send them feedback in game, give feedback on the forums but don't ruin ESO live for others.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

^This^
Anyone wanting to be heard as an adult should act like an adult. Disrupting someone else's stream is childish behavior.

And what should the community do, when ignored on the forum, may I ask? As Sergei Korolev said, "You criticize someone else's, offer yours."

Then ZOS leaves us no choice but to vote with our wallets, i.e. cancelling ESO+ and spend no more crowns in the store at all.

Kendaric

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Someone brought something up in a different thread that I hadn't thought of before (and if it was already posted here and I missed it, my bad): it's per character, right? So that means that if you ever delete that character, you lose your unlocked outfit slots. And at 1500 Crowns per slot, that's a TON of Crowns to lose if you fully unlock a character but then decide to retire it.

Wow. I hadn't considered that angle before, but it makes this whole decision even worse in my mind, and I already though it was pretty terrible to begin with.

Yes, that's another problem and a good reason for why the slots need to be accountwide or available for gold if they are to remain character bound.

MythicEmperor

That settles it. Never buying outfit slots.

Elsonso

logarifmik wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

No. When I see people in the Twitch stream chat chanting something to disrupt it, it makes me want to take the other side.

Kendaric wrote: »

Voicing our concerns/displeasure here on the boards is fine, but disrupting their Twitch stream won't help our case in the slightest. All you'd accomplish is to drive people to defend ZOS, even if they do agree that the price is too high.

Send them feedback in game, give feedback on the forums but don't ruin ESO live for others.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

^This^
Anyone wanting to be heard as an adult should act like an adult. Disrupting someone else's stream is childish behavior.

And what should the community do, when ignored on the forum, may I ask? As Sergei Korolev said, "You criticize someone else's, offer yours."

People have expressed their concern and dislike. That is pretty much all anyone can do.

If feel strongly about this, and you want to take the next step, never buy an outfit slot. Not with sale priced Crowns. Not when it is on sale. Just don't do it. Ever. Not until they drop the price substantially.

IF you want to go even further, you can do as @Kendaric stated, and stop buying ESO Plus and Crowns. There is no charge or obligation to pay for us to play the game, outside of the initial purchase. They intend for people to be able to play the game for free. No subscription required. No additional purchase required. Take them up on the offer.

But, I have to say, if someone is going to go to that extent, why stick around at all? Once the subscription runs out, and once the Crowns are gone, just go play another game. Leave ZOS and Bethesda to their marketing games and be done with it.

As has been famously stated, although in a different context, "you know you don't have to be here, right?"

Edit: That is what you do instead of protesting in the Twitch chat. If you are to the point where you feel the need for civil disobedience in Twitch Chat, maybe it is time to move on?

Castiel_Silvermist

I honestly think its stupid to make them cost so much...as well as not making them account wide. Its like why?. I basically have to pay $15 worth of crowns just to get another outfit slot....thats not ok. Thats just gouging players. Not very smart ZOS.

Morgul667

that cost is ridiculous

Oberick

Gotta get all that whale money somehow when it came out some countries were considering banning loot boxes.

Etrella

Castiel_Silvermist wrote: »

I honestly think its stupid to make them cost so much...as well as not making them account wide. Its like why?. I basically have to pay $15 worth of crowns just to get another outfit slot....thats not ok. Thats just gouging players. Not very smart ZOS.

I can buy myself a REAL life outfit with $15-20 dollars

Morgul667

Between 1000 and 2000 dollars for all outfit slots

You can buy many irl things with this

dekzz

Unfortunately, it doesnt really matter how much we cry or complain. Theres no feedback or fulfilling the community wishes.

All it comes down to is how much they can earn with this. If enough people actually buy them (which is likely), the price will remain the same. Sale of the outfit slots would have to be so damn minimal for them to realize its overpriced and actually make it something.....remotely reasonable.

BEST case scenario im expecting is that they reduced it to MAYBE 1200 crowns, which is still hillarious for one single toon.

kind_hero

The problem with the outfit system is that besides the large crown cost for new slots, which are not account wide, there is a significant gold cost for updating the outfit.

For casual players, 6000 gold to change a single weapon (a glass bow, in my case), is pretty steep, for something that I have already paid for by farming the motif, buying it with crowns, whatever. My dedication as a crafter is not rewarded this way at all!

It is like after buying a costume we are charged gold each time we use it or dye it.

Let's say it is acceptable to have this approach for the free outfit slot (the gold cost), but it is totally unacceptable from my point of view, to charge gold when using a premium slot (paid one).

Many said that "you are not forced to use the system, it is optional". This is true for people who don't really care about this feature, but I, like many players, have waited for this since the beginning, so it is something I really want to use. This is why I hope that our feedback is heard.

Also, a major flaw of the system is that it allows to dye the weapons only in the outfit system. So if I want to use only dyed weapons (without style transmog), I have to use an empty outfit slot. Since we can dye gear, why can't we have this feature outside the outfit system?

Morgul667

I sure hope they listen but the silent treatment we are receiving is not cool nor showing they are moving in any direction we’d like

Naomi_K

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Elsonso

dekzz wrote: »

Unfortunately, it doesnt really matter how much we cry or complain. Theres no feedback or fulfilling the community wishes.

This side of the ESO house is steadfast to an extreme. The game devs are stubborn, but have been known to say "Uncle". I cannot think of any time when the Crown Store folks have reversed themselves on a monetization decision.

VexingArcanist

The thread was intentionally moved from General to Crown Store so it would die and they would be able to easily ignore the feedback. Low foot-traffic forum this is.

That's how much they care about the complaint. Locking it would be too obvious.

Elsonso

VexingArcanist wrote: »

The thread was intentionally moved from General to Crown Store so it would die and they would be able to easily ignore the feedback. Low foot-traffic forum this is.

That's how much they care about the complaint. Locking it would be too obvious.

1. It belongs in the Crown Store area of the forum
2. Foil their evil plot by using "Recent" instead of running from category to category.

anitajoneb17_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

This side of the ESO house is steadfast to an extreme. The game devs are stubborn, but have been known to say "Uncle". I cannot think of any time when the Crown Store folks have reversed themselves on a monetization decision.

They have. When they decided to go F2P + Crown Store. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't the original plan - and that's the reason why the original development leaders left. They believed they'd be free to create artwork and design systems without the pressure of monetizing schemes upon their shoulders.
Unfortunately (for them), not enough people bought, so they changed.
That's the only way a video game company - or ANY company for that matter - will ever change its model : if not enough people buy.
If people are unhappy but still buy => it works
If people are happy but don't buy => it changes.

Of course we could imagine a scenario where people are happy AND buy. BUT... happy customers are never as vocal as unhappy customers. And unhappy customers don't matter much as long as they remain customers.

Elsonso

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

This side of the ESO house is steadfast to an extreme. The game devs are stubborn, but have been known to say "Uncle". I cannot think of any time when the Crown Store folks have reversed themselves on a monetization decision.

They have. When they decided to go F2P + Crown Store. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't the original plan - and that's the reason why the original development leaders left. They believed they'd be free to create artwork and design systems without the pressure of monetizing schemes upon their shoulders.
Unfortunately (for them), not enough people bought, so they changed.
That's the only way a video game company - or ANY company for that matter - will ever change its model : if not enough people buy.
If people are unhappy but still buy => it works
If people are happy but don't buy => it changes.

Of course we could imagine a scenario where people are happy AND buy. BUT... happy customers are never as vocal as unhappy customers. And unhappy customers don't matter much as long as they remain customers.

The Crown Store people won the battle with the F2P+Crown Store decision back in 2015. They did not have to reverse themselves at all!

But, what I meant was that when they roll something out, they stand by it no matter what happens. Fires. Plagues. Pestilence. I have no recollection of them rolling something out to the Crown Store, then come back in a few days and say "oops" and issue a price revision.

anitajoneb17_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

The Crown Store people won the battle with the F2P+Crown Store decision back in 2015. They did not have to reverse themselves at all!

There's no such thing as "crown store people"... there's ZOS, and ZOS changed their mind regarding the overall business model. Hey, you know what I meant - and I know what you meant

lordrichter wrote: »

But, what I meant was that when they roll something out, they stand by it no matter what happens. Fires. Plagues. Pestilence.

What merchant ever changed their mind and/or admitted to a mistake ? It would just mean "yeah guys sorry, we were trying to scam you, didn't work but was worth a try... "... best case scenario, they all disguise it under "special offer", discount, loyalty reward, seasonal sale, whatever. And everyone - well , not everyone, but many, many people - buy it and say "hey, I'm saving money right now... "

N00BxV1

If the additional outfit slots was an account-wide upgrade then I'd buy it immediately because I like account upgrades. But since it's a per-character addition I'm not even gonna consider it. Thanks for saving me the crowns I guess.