ZOS: Constant Microtransactions

Farscape76

My comments are solely about the reaction of "I don't like this (insert option) so it should go"
It really doesn't matter what the option is and what the topic is.
I don't care about crown crates but I do care when someone who doesn't like something just defaults to "get rid of it" rather than just being content to not partake in it themselves.

Sadly @Uriel_Nocturne you are far from the only one who thinks this way. My comments weren't aimed at you but your post was such a classic example that I quoted it for that purpose.
If it hurt your feelings or you thought I was attacking you that wasn't my purpose just pointing out that there is another side, and another way to think about things you may not agree with.

If we start taking away things that upset or offend anyone, or that people don't agree with then we will all be staring at nothing because everything will have been taken away.

Put in gamer speak ...buff Free choice and nerf censorship

Eddyble

Qbiken wrote: »

Hey, at least ZOS isn´t EA xD

"SOON"?

LonePirate

If you don’t like the crates or the concept of them, then do not buy them and encourage others not to buy them. The fastest way to kill the crates is to cut off the revenue they generate. If the crates are no longer a money maker, then they will disappear from the game.

JarlUlfric

Darkstorne wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

I don't like crown crates and I don't like gambling, but I prefer it instead of required subscription or P2W. So there's nothing to complain about, really.

There really is something to complain about. If they need to improve profits with microtransactions, that's fine. But show me what the cosmetic options are (no pay to win please), tell me the price, and if I like both I'll buy it. ZOS get more money, I get exactly the item/s I want, everyone wins. But whale hunting with loot crates just to maximise profits at the expense of upsetting the majority of your playerbase, and deliberately intending to exploit the minority of gamers who can't distinguish between "I have spare cash in the bank" and "this is good value for my spare cash", is not okay. No one should be defending this practice. Anyone who feels happier gambling for cosmetics instead of buying them directly and fairly is exactly the kind of person ZOS is preying on here.

Crown Store - absolutely fine
Crown Crates - disgusting business practice

The way I see it is that if the items that are locked behind crown crates were not, you'd be paying much more.

I paid roughly $30 on crowns to get a Buoyant Armiger motif from the crown crates, and it easily could have been 6000 crowns for such a rare motif. I understand that this is anecdotal, but the amount of stuff that you get from crown crates really drives down the overall cost of all the stuff you're acquiring.

And honestly, if you don't have the disposable income to spend on crown crates and other things, the store just isn't for you, so it's not really worth complaining about (not to say you don't).

TheBonesXXX

JarlUlfric wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

I don't like crown crates and I don't like gambling, but I prefer it instead of required subscription or P2W. So there's nothing to complain about, really.

There really is something to complain about. If they need to improve profits with microtransactions, that's fine. But show me what the cosmetic options are (no pay to win please), tell me the price, and if I like both I'll buy it. ZOS get more money, I get exactly the item/s I want, everyone wins. But whale hunting with loot crates just to maximise profits at the expense of upsetting the majority of your playerbase, and deliberately intending to exploit the minority of gamers who can't distinguish between "I have spare cash in the bank" and "this is good value for my spare cash", is not okay. No one should be defending this practice. Anyone who feels happier gambling for cosmetics instead of buying them directly and fairly is exactly the kind of person ZOS is preying on here.

Crown Store - absolutely fine
Crown Crates - disgusting business practice

The way I see it is that if the items that are locked behind crown crates were not, you'd be paying much more.

I paid roughly $30 on crowns to get a Buoyant Armiger motif from the crown crates, and it easily could have been 6000 crowns for such a rare motif. I understand that this is anecdotal, but the amount of stuff that you get from crown crates really drives down the overall cost of all the stuff you're acquiring.

And honestly, if you don't have the disposable income to spend on crown crates and other things, the store just isn't for you, so it's not really worth complaining about (not to say you don't).

Those should be things you find through out the game and not for sale as apart of the content.

Uriel_Nocturne

Farscape76 wrote: »

My comments are solely about the reaction of "I don't like this (insert option) so it should go"
It really doesn't matter what the option is and what the topic is.
I don't care about crown crates but I do care when someone who doesn't like something just defaults to "get rid of it" rather than just being content to not partake in it themselves.

Sadly @Uriel_Nocturne you are far from the only one who thinks this way. My comments weren't aimed at you but your post was such a classic example that I quoted it for that purpose.
If it hurt your feelings or you thought I was attacking you that wasn't my purpose just pointing out that there is another side, and another way to think about things you may not agree with.

If we start taking away things that upset or offend anyone, or that people don't agree with then we will all be staring at nothing because everything will have been taken away.

Put in gamer speak ...buff Free choice and nerf censorship

Ok.

I thank you for your clarification of the intent of your post.

I still would rather see them go away. IMO (and purely in my opinion), they serve no good purpose in the industry.

monktoasty

The difference between physical items like blind boxes or kinder candy is that you can trade..and also buy the item you want from someone..the physical item still retains value. You can sell it etc. Plus..it's clear on the chances of getting things and it's not filled with junk. Can you imagine..blind boxes containing a piece of paper and not a toy?

It's a world of difference.

In loot boxes you can spend 500 dollars and get junk..not a single thing you want.

It's down right rediculous and I suggest zos and all companies start to be fair about it before it's made into a b8gger problem that government steps in.

If items like apex mounts had better chances and buncha junk removed so that the value of the loot boxes are way better..there would be a lot less complaints

Giraffon

Crown Crates more like carnival games than gambling.

You know you'll probably get ripped off, but you do it anyway in the name of fun.

Waffennacht

It's not gambling because you can't win any monetary value

Elsonso

Farscape76 wrote: »

My comments are solely about the reaction of "I don't like this (insert option) so it should go"
It really doesn't matter what the option is and what the topic is.
I don't care about crown crates but I do care when someone who doesn't like something just defaults to "get rid of it" rather than just being content to not partake in it themselves.

Sadly @Uriel_Nocturne you are far from the only one who thinks this way. My comments weren't aimed at you but your post was such a classic example that I quoted it for that purpose.
If it hurt your feelings or you thought I was attacking you that wasn't my purpose just pointing out that there is another side, and another way to think about things you may not agree with.

If we start taking away things that upset or offend anyone, or that people don't agree with then we will all be staring at nothing because everything will have been taken away.

Put in gamer speak ...buff Free choice and nerf censorship

I want them removed from the game if for no other reason than they are bad for the game. Every hour they spend working on Crown Crates is an hour they are not spending on the next DLC or Chapter. ZOS does not have infinite resources and I would prefer they spend it on content and systems.

Businesses like to focus on what makes the fastest, easiest, Dollar. That's Crown Crates. I expect they will take an increasing share of the ESO development pie when ZOS trims back staff and moves them to other projects. They will be making Crown Crate stuff long after all the other developers have left.

THWIP71

Everstorm wrote: »

Was reading this thread and suddenly I wondered...



Gambling?

Gotta start 'em young...just like those candy cigarettes from back in the day.

pod88kk

Nobody is making you buy them mate

Takes-No-Prisoner

THWIP71 wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Was reading this thread and suddenly I wondered...



Gambling?

Gotta start 'em young...just like those candy cigarettes from back in the day.

Kinder egg is banned in my country

Tandor

TheImpaler101K wrote: »

However I never expected that most of the updates for the game would just be constant store additions

Fake news.

There are no constant store additions of any consequence, and the crown crate contents are also of no consequence being costumes, mounts, and other unnecessary fluff.

DLCs are included free within the subscription (which should please critics of stores and crates as the subscription is their preferred business model), as well as being available for purchase in the store for those who don't subscribe or who prefer to buy them anyway, while the single chapter per year is separately paid for outside of the crown store.

As for the fluff that is available in the crown store and crates, while I have no particular interest in it I do recognise the demand for it and the contribution it makes to the revenue that keeps the game running, so I have no problem with it.

Once you have bought the base game you can play it to the CP cap and beyond without making any other purchase, unless you want to play any of the additional zones in which case you can either just buy them individually or subscribe and get them for free. The claim that most of the updates for the game are just constant store additions is completely false.

Kiralyn2000

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

THWIP71 wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Was reading this thread and suddenly I wondered...



Gambling?

Gotta start 'em young...just like those candy cigarettes from back in the day.

Kinder egg is banned in my country

For "little kids could choke on small parts!", rather than gambling, I assume?

Takes-No-Prisoner

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

THWIP71 wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Was reading this thread and suddenly I wondered...



Gambling?

Gotta start 'em young...just like those candy cigarettes from back in the day.

Kinder egg is banned in my country

For "little kids could choke on small parts!", rather than gambling, I assume?

Yup, Federal Drug & Food Administration said pretty much that. Choking hazard.

But on the topic of loot crates, it reminds me of getting McDonald's toys from Happy Meals. I guess that was the 1990's loot crates.

khele23eb17_ESO

Apache_Kid wrote: »

What boggles my mind is how it is legal to purchase crown crates in many states where it is illegal to gamble, open a casino, etc. It's only a matter of time before this stuff is going to be legislated against specifically by lawmakers.

Sticking to the letter of the law instead of the spirit.

TheImpaler101K

Do I even need to bring up the latest news with EA?
I know what most of you will say, and yes it is a different circumstance, but I frankly don't care. This isn't going to cause huge effects right away, but the regulation of Microtransactions has slowly started.

Yeehaw.

JWKe

Lols, at the comments that "It’s all cosmetic and you don’t need it to play. We could go back to a mandatory sub if you’d like? I’d be fine with that.."

Ya, of course they had to drop the sub or the game would be wild starred by now. It's more like we were doing them a favour by even purchasing the game. I say it time and time again, if it were not for the I.P. this game would've been long gone.

But, in regards to crown crates im mostly fine with it. It certainly isn't gambling, but should such a practice really be allowed for a game with a 17+ ESRB rating? Honestly, they should just change the ratings to 21+ and leave everything in the crown store as it is and add more graphic graphics to the game.

Stopnaggin

Apache_Kid wrote: »

What boggles my mind is how it is legal to purchase crown crates in many states where it is illegal to gamble, open a casino, etc. It's only a matter of time before this stuff is going to be legislated against specifically by lawmakers.

What boggles my mind is how people still don't comprehend what makes it legal. You are spending crowns on crates not cash, therefore it isn't considered gambling as it pertains to the law. Unethical, depends on your viewpoint, legal, absolutely.

Since there isn't anything that gives any competitive advantage the choice to spend your crowns on them is up to you. Gambling with a currency that isn't legal tender isn't against the law.

Personally I didnt mind the crates until they started making crate exclusive items. Now I have no desire to buy them since there is no failsafe. To get what i want, ie the ebon senche and the new shadow flame attronach senche. Again nothing illegal about them though.

NyassaV

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/11/hawaii-wants-to-fight-the-predatory-behavior-of-loot-boxes/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gaming/news/hawaii-crack-predatory-loot-boxes-video-games/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/22/belgium-moves-to-ban-star-wars-battlefront-2-style-loot-boxes/

Stopnaggin

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

If it funds the game, and isn't P2W alls good, honestly one of the best business models out there, I mean the EA stuff is still there, things like BDO exist, but you ree about this?.

P2W is not the issue. The issue is that crown crates feed off of addictive impulses and the gambler’s fallacy and are therefore immoral business practices.

So does the lottery and scratch offs, which every state has so where's the moral outrage? Should they cancel the game because some people have violent tendencies? How about making all cars have speed limited because some people like to speed?

A for profit company isnt in the business of being the morality police. People have free will, and if they have a problem or addiction they should seek help. I really dont understand why this is a ZOS problem, I guess we must remove temptation to satisfy those who have addictive personalities or are weak willed.

Stopnaggin

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Farscape76 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

While I am -COMPLETELY- against these Scam Crates in ESO (and all games to be honest), ESO's Scam Crate push isn't -NEARLY- as bad as it is in Battlefront 2...

But yeah, the Scam Crates need to go, ZOS.

Yesterday.

This kind of thinking is just so skewed. You have the right to have any opinion you want on any topic, but guess what...so does everyone else.

People seem to jump to this "I don't like this xyz so no one should have it" type of thinking.

I don't have a strong opinion about crown crates either way, however they shouldn't be taken away from the people that like them just because you don't. Its the same thing as saying I don't like this show or this radio station. Turn the channel don't lobby to get the station taken off the air.

I really don't understand why there is hurt in your butt over my comment.

I didn't call anyone out. I didn't trash on anyone's opinion. I didn't call any one stupid or ignorant.

I literally kept my comment to what you suggest in your reply to me.

I have an opinion that "I don't like the Scam Crates" and "I think all Loot Boxes are Scams", and I voiced my desire to see them leave the Gaming Industry as a whole.

Are you really such a fan of the Scam Crates, that when I voiced my opinion, you were personally offended by it? I mean, really, is this where we're *** at as a community??? O.o

Calm down, son.

I just voiced my opinion, and I was even nice enough to leave other people out of it (for once).

I think you misunderstood the statement. Removing crates because you don't like them is where the problem started. It like saying I dont like cats so they should remove Khajiits from the game.

Stopnaggin

Hollery wrote: »

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/11/hawaii-wants-to-fight-the-predatory-behavior-of-loot-boxes/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gaming/news/hawaii-crack-predatory-loot-boxes-video-games/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/22/belgium-moves-to-ban-star-wars-battlefront-2-style-loot-boxes/

So lose our freedom of choice because of a few that need help? Makes sense.

Cadbury

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/11/hawaii-wants-to-fight-the-predatory-behavior-of-loot-boxes/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gaming/news/hawaii-crack-predatory-loot-boxes-video-games/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/22/belgium-moves-to-ban-star-wars-battlefront-2-style-loot-boxes/

So lose our freedom of choice because of a few that need help? Makes sense.

Dark and difficult times lie ahead. Soon we must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy.

eklhaftb16_ESO

It's not about us losing our freedom of choice, it's about corporations losing their freedom to use their manipulative, predatorial practices. Which is essentially a good thing, because corporations have no moral compass or conscience to stop them from preying on people.

After all, what freedom of choice do we have when they make new content lockbox-exclusive? There are no reasonable options to choose from: you can either buy and lose money for a chance, or not buy and don't have a chance at all. Both those choices suck. I don't want nor need that sort of choice.

Zbigb4life

Apache_Kid wrote: »

What boggles my mind is how it is legal to purchase crown crates in many states where it is illegal to gamble, open a casino, etc. It's only a matter of time before this stuff is going to be legislated against specifically by lawmakers.

Recently in Europe commotion started about this and politicians are willing to make laws that prohibits this gambling.

InvitationNotFound

why "you don't have to buy it" is a stupid argument:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/richard-garfield/a-game-players-manifesto/1049168888532667

It is quite interesting how many people are defending crown crates o_O

Beardimus

Again with this huh.

As far as I'm concerned the fluffy stuff in Crates is just that. Its not needed, its not P2W, I don't even consider it micro transations as in the games that have them to progress or must have items.

TaintedKurse

Eso would be amazing if most of this crown crap was just available in game. If they sold like one mount a month that was actually worth buying that would be reasonable. However, its just a weekly onslaught, and your never giving us anything that's worth unlocking besides skins. Which I like but, its not like they don't sell others and we just need more to that. Give us desirable mounts, costumes, and other unlockables through game. Stop gouging your customers and being so greedy, Please and thank you!