Shor PC/NA "Official" Discussion

technohic

Vapirko wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

@Rickter on February 28th.

"butthurt he had to cancel his north africa trip for his honeymoon (lol)"

So you're right. You've never wished bad things on me, you've just celebrated them.

right but you said i WISHED bad upon you. thats what you said, and it wasnt true. period. you lied. cant back track now.

That might not be entirely true, come Summerset update I hear there is in fact a way to back track via the Psijic ultimate. Just finished bursting down that annoying magplar tank or permablocking mag dk? ZOS says screw you, that person can now hit their ulti and reset the fight. YAY!!!

They’ll be out of ultimate though. I don’t think it will be much different than a healing ultimate now.

Vapirko

technohic wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

@Rickter on February 28th.

"butthurt he had to cancel his north africa trip for his honeymoon (lol)"

So you're right. You've never wished bad things on me, you've just celebrated them.

right but you said i WISHED bad upon you. thats what you said, and it wasnt true. period. you lied. cant back track now.

That might not be entirely true, come Summerset update I hear there is in fact a way to back track via the Psijic ultimate. Just finished bursting down that annoying magplar tank or permablocking mag dk? ZOS says screw you, that person can now hit their ulti and reset the fight. YAY!!!

They’ll be out of ultimate though. I don’t think it will be much different than a healing ultimate now.

But have we thought about morphs? What if ZOS introduces a multi target/group morph, obviously too early to speculate but I wouldn't put it past them.

Stridig

I don't know man. Seems like a normal forum conversation to me. I mean you could start a thread titled "I hope you all have a wonderful day" and somebody will start a discussion about why they disagree with the title.

Grimlok_S

Vapirko wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

@Rickter on February 28th.

"butthurt he had to cancel his north africa trip for his honeymoon (lol)"

So you're right. You've never wished bad things on me, you've just celebrated them.

right but you said i WISHED bad upon you. thats what you said, and it wasnt true. period. you lied. cant back track now.

That might not be entirely true, come Summerset update I hear there is in fact a way to back track via the Psijic ultimate. Just finished bursting down that annoying magplar tank or permablocking mag dk? ZOS says screw you, that person can now hit their ulti and reset the fight. YAY!!!

We are ALL stamblades on this glorious day!

Feanor

It’s fun to read this as an NA outsider who doesn’t PvP there (yet). I suggest going to a private room and sort things out. Or is Shor that intimate already?

ZOS_MattL

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TipsyDrow

I'm sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBkGdbci-wM

Grimlok_S

Feanor wrote: »

Or is Shor that intimate already?

Just a very vocal minority

Thogard

Good fights tonight in shor

It’s a shame the EP Zerg kept adding on to all our fights:

Need to find better ways of getting away from them...

Thogard

I enjoyed reading the sub assault comments from the 20th. I agree. What kind of monster would make a group that focuses on wardens for their DPS?! Must be total losers imo.

I actually called for a sub assault nerf a looong time ago but everyone told me to learn to play:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/374883/subterranean-assault-overperforming

BaylorCorvette

The way to balance it, is give it the Viper treatment. Same damage, but over ~4 seconds.

Adenoma

@BaylorCorvette , I disagree. That opens up some terrifying build options.

@Thogard , I'll take this moment to say I was definitely wrong on sub assault. I think we just need to adjust the damage as a percentage change like they did with incap. If they do that they're going to need to adjust the warden kit a bit because their dps is going to be horrible.

BaylorCorvette

Adenoma wrote: »

@BaylorCorvette , I disagree. That opens up some terrifying build options.

As a non warden fighting a warden I much rather sub assault do the same amount of damage but over the course of four seconds than 100% the damage on impact. Way easier to combat DoTs than burst, especially the sub assault + DBoS combo.

Adenoma wrote: »

If they do that they're going to need to adjust the warden kit a bit because their dps is going to be horrible.

At least you have class offensive abilities, try being a StamSorc pigeon holed into only using weapon abilities.

technohic

Probably would be best served to not have a defense that gives major heroism self sustaining. Major Heroism should also not have so much up time.

Vapirko

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

The way to balance it, is give it the Viper treatment. Same damage, but over ~4 seconds.

That would make wardens pretty trash. Their burst is strong but it’s less potent than stamblade burst though it serves more utility purpose and is more easily avoided. You could tone down subassault but making it a dot would be making it worthless, similar to viper.

BaylorCorvette

Vapirko wrote: »

That would make wardens pretty trash. Their burst is strong but it’s less potent than stamblade burst though it serves more utility purpose and is more easily avoided. You could tone down subassault but making it a dot would be making it worthless, similar to viper.

Agreed, if the burst from Sub Assault was all the Warden had going for it. But it isn't. Sub Assault alone hits multiple people, giving those targets Major Fracture & Major Breach.

Access to Major Expedition & Minor Berserk via their class kit

Extremely fast Ulti build through their class kit

Multiple Stamina heals through their class kit

I'll agree if you nerf Sub Assault too hard, the StamDen burst potential takes a hit pretty good. However, they're class kit gives them a lot of access to various things that doesn't force them to take specific weapons. Ultimately I wish more classes had access to this via their class, rather than having to take very specific weapons or sets. Going from my StamSorc to my StamDen I feel like my options on viable builds is greatly increased.

Adenoma

100% serious that changing it to a DOT would not be good. Just lower the burst and compensate them PvE-wise.

MrCommunity

it would be hard to balance the warden for PVP while trying to keep them relevant for PVE. at the current moment for PVE wardens are trash, and sub assault is the only class damaging ability used.
I would accept a Sub assault nerf if they reworked the bear ulti to replicate the selene's proc, and not have to be double barred.

Vapirko

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

That would make wardens pretty trash. Their burst is strong but it’s less potent than stamblade burst though it serves more utility purpose and is more easily avoided. You could tone down subassault but making it a dot would be making it worthless, similar to viper.

Agreed, if the burst from Sub Assault was all the Warden had going for it. But it isn't. Sub Assault alone hits multiple people, giving those targets Major Fracture & Major Breach.

Access to Major Expedition & Minor Berserk via their class kit

Extremely fast Ulti build through their class kit

Multiple Stamina heals through their class kit

I'll agree if you nerf Sub Assault too hard, the StamDen burst potential takes a hit pretty good. However, they're class kit gives them a lot of access to various things that doesn't force them to take specific weapons. Ultimately I wish more classes had access to this via their class, rather than having to take very specific weapons or sets. Going from my StamSorc to my StamDen I feel like my options on viable builds is greatly increased.

Agreed, I went to stam den from stam sorc also. But this is a good thing, and stam sorc should have the same options not remove them from warden.

BaylorCorvette

MrCommunity wrote: »

it would be hard to balance the warden for PVP while trying to keep them relevant for PVE.

Yup, and there lies the problem unfortunately.

Back to the topic at hand, Shor. Anyone else feel like the last week and a half the population, and relevant fighting has dramatically increased? I've only been in this campaign for maybe two months, but it seems like the campaign has really been picking up lately.

Adenoma

I like it. Fun fights everywhere. Last night was rad!

Thogard

Vapirko wrote: »

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

That would make wardens pretty trash. Their burst is strong but it’s less potent than stamblade burst though it serves more utility purpose and is more easily avoided. You could tone down subassault but making it a dot would be making it worthless, similar to viper.

Agreed, if the burst from Sub Assault was all the Warden had going for it. But it isn't. Sub Assault alone hits multiple people, giving those targets Major Fracture & Major Breach.

Access to Major Expedition & Minor Berserk via their class kit

Extremely fast Ulti build through their class kit

Multiple Stamina heals through their class kit

I'll agree if you nerf Sub Assault too hard, the StamDen burst potential takes a hit pretty good. However, they're class kit gives them a lot of access to various things that doesn't force them to take specific weapons. Ultimately I wish more classes had access to this via their class, rather than having to take very specific weapons or sets. Going from my StamSorc to my StamDen I feel like my options on viable builds is greatly increased.

Agreed, I went to stam den from stam sorc also. But this is a good thing, and stam sorc should have the same options not remove them from warden.

I actually don’t run wings (maj expedition / minor berserk) or spores (the spammable Stam heal).

The only warden heals I use are trees - which I really don’t use that often - and green lotus, which heals for ~500 in PvP on light attacks but 2.5k on heavies. Usually by weaving heavies in I get lots of extra healing and if I ever need a spam heal I can use trees.

Beetles is OP with DBoS. Nerfing shimmering shield so that it gives minor heroism instead of major (or increasing the cost) would make it harder for wardens to use DBoS... we’d also have to heal more with trees if the mag cost for shim shield went up, which means less dawnbreakers.

technohic

was some big fights tonight. Actually had a couple times where I thought I was DBOSing and jabbing 2 guys but then wind up with 7 others suddenly load in. Dont think they could see me either.

Vapirko

technohic wrote: »

was some big fights tonight. Actually had a couple times where I thought I was DBOSing and jabbing 2 guys but then wind up with 7 others suddenly load in. Dont think they could see me either.

Still kind of mind boggling that zos let’s their game run this way.

StaticWave

It's encouraging to see Shor with significantly more population recently, but there is one thing I don't understand:

Why does the map feel so empty even when AD, EP, and DC are 3 bars or poplocked?

Sometimes I wonder if they're stacking in ball groups and targeting a single keep, or the population count is actually inflated. I've checked IC during those times, and barely found anyone.

Can someone explain this phenomenon?

Vapirko

StaticWave wrote: »

It's encouraging to see Shor with significantly more population recently, but there is one thing I don't understand:

Why does the map feel so empty even when AD, EP, and DC are 3 bars or poplocked?

Sometimes I wonder if they're stacking in ball groups and targeting a single keep, or the population count is actually inflated. I've checked IC during those times, and barely found anyone.

Can someone explain this phenomenon?

IC farmers maybe, who come to the emptier campaign to zerg it. But it’s more than likely that the pop counter isn’t accurate.

Adenoma

@StaticWave , I think it's mostly because there are large groups that go to IC. This morning when AD dethroned there were allegedly two bar EP and I didn't even manage to see more than three or four when I went to the last emp keep expecting a good fight.

That's like right now where there are two bar DC and you definitely are feeling it - at Roe we just had a really fun defense where there were maybe 5-6 AD total, but apparently we also have two bars of pop, and somewhere around 12-18 DC.

The whole phenomenon really makes it swingy when people are pushing for emp. I kinda wish that mechanic was removed in this campaign so we just played for good fights, but I think that'd kill the campaign more than anything unless they substantially overhauled campaign rewards.

technohic

There also is a lot of faction stacking in spots. Was in a large group myself last night and there was a ton of EP at Glade seemed all DC kept fighting. We went around to Bleakers and Ales at the same time to cut them off and didnt have a lot of resistence. Then came back to Glade to where there was a ton of EP. Probably a bit better organized than us so we actually seemed to do better splitting up and getting them to trail us away from the keep to get them spread a little thinner and away from any camps so we hoped. Seemed to work even though our smaller group that was sent to siege on a different side got whiped. We won the larger battle and were finally able to take siege the keep with resistance gone.

Its not quite the small scale stuff that made this campaign fun for a while; but it was also fun. Only not fun part was when my large group wanted to try to chase people kiting around towers. Cant really talk them out of it when the smaller group keeps wanting to hit a home keep that has a scroll.

Adenoma

Honestly, there's awesome small scale fighting during the day.

inkorporated

Hello all just made my forum account couple days ago. Member of Requiem. I have a sort of troll pvp guild <PvP FuN Train> I noticed yesterday a similar AD guild. Just wanted to give a shout out to the AD who made <PvP FUNNER Train> and went and took and claimed rayles which is what I normally claim. Imitation is the highest form of Flattery.