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Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII
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esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’m new to this game and have been doing pvp for about a week or so..very disappointed, i work graveyard so when I’m awake my alliance is asleep, same with dungeons..Hell I’d put up with the ping if i could switch to EU
Stick around. The population patterns change from campaign to campaign. They can also change within the duration of the campaign itself. I realise it can be frustrating to only be able to come on when outnumbered (I’m often on solo defending DC keeps against groups of 12+, or on with 2 or 3 other players against full raids), but things fluctuate quite a bit. It usually only takes one person to start organising a group to make a difference to your experience, as it encourages individual players like yourself to stay playing instead of logging off.0 -
Heike✭✭✭I was pretty sure a fair number of the DC are Oceanic. Or at least west coast.
Then again there have been groups in the past notorious for playing off hours on purpose.
That was my assumption; that it was an oceanic guild, that didn’t want to play on the EU server.
It’s not. There are only 2-3 players in the group of 30-40 that run at night, that are Aussies. And 1 Brit. And of the remainder, only a handful are Westcoast US players.
And when Ral, Elbie and myself went there on our DC toons, they were calling for people to wait on “the group to get going in 30 min”... at midnight. lol
Mihail Heike
(NA AD CP1800 Templar - DD/Heals)
Heikers | The Hive Mind | Dead Nirn Dealers | Bowz N The Hood | Tertiary Meat
"Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi"
"I will see you, galloping across the green pastures and through the timbers. I will watch, from my shadowy crouch under the rocks at Greenmead, as you race past the dolmen, with thoughts of Altadoon in your head. Yes, I will see you. And your journey will end there..."
~Mihail Heike0 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭That was my assumption; that it was an oceanic guild, that didn’t want to play on the EU server.
It’s not. There are only 2-3 players in the group of 30-40 that run at night, that are Aussies. And 1 Brit. And of the remainder, only a handful are Westcoast US players.
Not sure which ‘group’ you are referring to, but if you are talking about Bashu’s and/or Asher’s Guild, then the person who told you this is mistaken.
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Ankaridan✭✭✭That was my assumption; that it was an oceanic guild, that didn’t want to play on the EU server.
It’s not. There are only 2-3 players in the group of 30-40 that run at night, that are Aussies. And 1 Brit. And of the remainder, only a handful are Westcoast US players.
Not sure which ‘group’ you are referring to, but if you are talking about Bashu’s and/or Asher’s Guild, then the person who told you this is mistaken.
A long time ago, when Consortium first start showing up, I ran with them for a week or two. And as someone on the West Coast who plays nights because I work nights... he is not mistaken. His numbers are off - IIRC there are maybe 10 Aussies at least - but Asher's guild is primarily Americans playing through the night. It's the reason I joined in the first place.
I know nothing of Bashu.Edited by Ankaridan on May 16, 2018 8:28PM1 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭A long time ago, when Consortium first start showing up, I ran with them for a week or two. And as someone on the West Coast who plays nights because I work nights... he is not mistaken. His numbers are off - IIRC there are maybe 10 Aussies at least - but Asher's guild is primarily Americans playing through the night.
I know nothing of Bashu.
I've run with Asher’s group several times, and if you are talking about the regulars that run every night then there are several Australians, New Zealanders, non-UK Europeans, etc. I’ve no idea of the actual Guild make up, but given that the max group size is 24 (and they often have less than that) and as you say Heike’s numbers are wrong (especially as he seems to be treating the two guild guild groups as one group), I’d say the notion that their group is ‘mostly’ East Coasters is incorrect.
Bashu is West Coast based (all Guild times, meeting, events, etc. are based on PST), but not solely for West Coast players. As for the exact group makeup it depends on the specific time/day you are talking about. Even when solely running a ‘Guild Group’ it can vary, and sometimes they have players from zone mixed in in with them (and who knows where they are from
). But again, even if just talking about regulars, the numbers stated are incorrect.
But without actual independent data that gives a breakdown of the group compositions over the course of the campaign, there is no way to settle this. So it’s just a matter of he said/she said at this point as to which you believe to be the case.
Edited by esotoon on May 16, 2018 9:15PM1 -
D0RID0RI240✭✭✭✭All of this DC v AD talk is interesting coming from the perspective of someone who played EP the past two nights and fought with dozen or so ep as we fell back keep after keep against a full 2 to 3 bar AD pop...and then got zerged everytime we tried to flip a resource at one of our gate keeps. The really amusing thing was to watch AD actually pop lock after they took everything except the DC scroll keeps. 2 bar was evidently not enough of a zerg to get the pve nerds their skyshards. Who knew?5 -
Heike✭✭✭....As for the exact group makeup it depends on the specific time/day you are talking about.”
We’re pretty much just talking about the overnight zerg, which runs from midnight to 4am.“...So it’s just a matter of he said/she said at this point...”
Not really much arguing from anyone, as to whether or not 2 groups of DC choose to congregate at around midnight, then pvdoor a map until 4am. Everyone is pretty much clear on that.[/quote]
Look: There is Bashu’s large group, of maybe 20 or more, and Asher’s group of “...max size of 24” or whatever. That’s perfectly fine. All we know is that a combined force of 50+ DC are overnighting the map. (Remember, there are screenshots of 62 at Nikel... at 3am lol).
All of this is is fairplay, even if seen by most as trashy play. And, I’ve talked to Bashu. I don’t mind Bashu. I think he’s an ok guy. Nice enough, and not mean-spirited, from what I can tell.
I don’t know Asher, nor have I ever talked to him.
I DO know, that there are many in his group that have played during primetime North American server PvP hours, which are typically at their highest cross-faction hours of 5pm - Midnight CST. These players disappear, then reappear in one of these two groups, at midnight.
And that’s ok, too, in my book. Even if I consider it pvdooring, as do most people.
My OP was about the trash talk in the forums, of DC being so mighty about winning a campaign.
Mihail Heike
(NA AD CP1800 Templar - DD/Heals)
Heikers | The Hive Mind | Dead Nirn Dealers | Bowz N The Hood | Tertiary Meat
"Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi"
"I will see you, galloping across the green pastures and through the timbers. I will watch, from my shadowy crouch under the rocks at Greenmead, as you race past the dolmen, with thoughts of Altadoon in your head. Yes, I will see you. And your journey will end there..."
~Mihail Heike1 -
cbaudersub17_ESO✭✭✭Not sure why which nation someone is from really matters. The end result is the same, and the present cycle is rather simple. The one with the last, largest group wins.
But to throw gas on the fire, can we all agree that the group consists of at least one white guy?...and that the total number is greater than 10?
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cbaudersub17_ESO✭✭✭...The only thing that truly matters - the epic fights you can find in cyrodiil. Which unfortunately are becoming harder and harder to find.
I usually begin my Cyrodiil session at the tail-end of primetime, around 11:30pm to 12am EDT, and this has NOT been my experience.
If the cost of this singular victory is AD bailing from the campaign, then hell yeah, I'll take it. Because a 2-faction campaign is still a helluva lot more fun than a 1-faction one.
guess we're in different cyrodiils. All i see now is blue pvedoor spam. Super boring. On a positive note - I have no lamentations about logging at midnight to 1am central anymore. The map is dead.
As I stated before and will continue to say, when AD was zerging there was always a fight to be had. I enjoyed that. AD everywhere to kill. Sure, you sometimes got zerged. But I can promise you this - it's significantly better to que cyrodiil and fight opponents in actual pvp on the map than sit back in a state of malaise as blue pvedoors the campaign and tells everyone in zone chat how great they are at beating back a 3 bar AD pop when that couldn't be any further from the truth.
The only thing blue was better at - staying up till the wee hours of the morning flipping an empty map when most sane people are sleeping and preparing for the next day. Great Job!
As for 5 man groups getting crushed by zerg. I've seen 5 man groups rick roll a zerg. That noble, pride, envy group - unreal. I've seen 20 man guild raids cower from zergs.. and i've watched first hand a 5 man laugh in the face of a zerg and crap on them for over 30 mins. Perspective i guess.
I would wager that the envy/pride group would take AD zerg over the pvedoor crap we got now 10 times out of 10.
@mursie: timeless words....
I find it a bit ironic when people complain about AD numbers. They comprise of precisely the juicy AP competitive groups salivate over. Don’t believe me, make an AD toon and participate in some sieges.0 -
I run a late night guild because my work, ( and many within my guild) does not end until around 9-10pm CST. One of my officers is swedish and this is morning for him. Another is an Aussie and yet another is from NZ. We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for. But I cannot log on early enough to stop the 6pm pop locked AD from taking the entire map seeing as only 5-6 of my players are even around at that time.
As for the "Pvdoor" issue, AD regularly has 3 bars at 2-3 am CST. They don't actually log out until they are pushed to Faragyl keep.
We're typically about 16-20 at this time. Bashu is also running with his team and I do not know their numbers. But we never reach past 2 bars of pop. We take the scrolls/home keeps of Ad to make up for the 7-10 hours they hold it during the day to boost their score. /Shrug. What else can I do if I want to win the camp? Quit my job and ask the rest of my guild to do the same? People suggesting that we're dodging population don't really understand what our guild is about, or the fact that people don't all work 9-5 apparently.Edited by AsherGrey on May 17, 2018 1:39AM-Co-GM of Consortium
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Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I love how the current argument is basically:
"AD makes the map unplayable during the main timeslot by zerging."
"Oh yeah? well y'all just nightcap!"
Glad to see that nobody is really PvPing in Sotha on any faction, still.
I miss noCP....
I’m new to this game and have been doing pvp for about a week or so..very disappointed, i work graveyard so when I’m awake my alliance is asleep, same with dungeons..Hell I’d put up with the ping if i could switch to EU
Apparently i shoulda been dc
If you primarily play "morning" or Aussie prime or whatever, your best bet is to play Vivec and get with some Aussie guilds. It's the only campaign with actual PvP consistently occurring at that time, imo. Rough with low CP, though.
I tried the vivec part and basically kept dying in 2 hits, even in groups..it was a blast population wise but i don’t belong there just yet. Far too frustrating for me0 -
MinarasLaure✭✭✭✭We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for.
Wait, what? Lol
At least be honest about it haha
The only large scale fights you ever happen to have are when you start getting your keeps back.
Once your group reach nikel\roe it's just you and an empty map.
You like large scale fights? Do like many of us, once you see the map is empty switch to vivec.
Also, if you guys pvdoor because "ad do that in prime time" leave EP alone.
You don't need all their keeps to win the campaign.
Lol @ this guy, seriously.
Edited by MinarasLaure on May 17, 2018 4:13AM2 -
midgetfromtheshire✭✭✭✭MinarasLaure wrote: »We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for.
Wait, what? Lol
At least be honest about it haha
The only large scale fights you ever happen to have are when you start getting your keeps back.
Once your group reach nikel\roe it's just you and an empty map.
You like large scale fights? Do like many of us, once you see the map is empty switch to vivec.
Also, if you guys pvdoor because "ad do that in prime time" leave EP alone.
You don't need all their keeps to win the campaign.
Lol @ this guy, seriously.
You should tell your AD mates that. You know, the same ones that fight against 5 DC during the daytime with 2 full raids.Get rid of faction locks.0 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not really much arguing from anyone, as to whether or not 2 groups of DC choose to congregate at around midnight, then pvdoor a map until 4am. Everyone is pretty much clear on that.
I'm not sure where you are getting this midnight time from? Bashu's groups usually start at around 7pm PST (9pm CST).
I'm really curious exactly what people [to be clear, this isn't just aimed at you Heike] think DC are are supposed to do?
When Bashu's group logs on, AD (usually) have full control of the map, most of the keeps and all the scrolls. Their group takes on a 3 bar AD faction. They fight (usually from their gates) and get their butts kicked over and over as gradually they start making inroads. Consortium logs on and after an hour or two, despite always being outnumbered, DC have pushed AD and EP back. DC reach a point where they push AD back to their own keeps, at which point (usually around the time it becomes clear Fare is threatened) most of AD log off.
Should DC now have to log off, despite having worked hard to reach that points and still wanting to fight, just because AD logged and DC finally have the numbers advantage?
Should they be forced to leave AD with all the scrolls, knowing full well that within a few hours the map will be yellow again?
Should they forget getting the scrolls because it means having to potentially PVDoor, even though AD PVDoored to get them in the first place?
Should they forget trying to Emp because the main AD force is no longer around to stop them, even though whichever faction holds Emp (usually AD) most likely got it originally with next to no opposition?
And if your answer to any of those questions is "Yes", will you be applying the same rules to AD and EP? Will AD and EP agree to also not fight when they have a larger pop than their opponents (no matter the time of day)? Will AD and EP also agree to never 'PVDoor' or 'nightcap'/'daycap'?
You see that's the thing. You can't have it both ways. If you want DC to stop playing the moment they have the numbers advantage, then it's only fair that AD and EP agree to do the same. If you decry DC for 'PVDooring' or 'nightcapping', then decry AD and EP for also doing the same nearly every single day.
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Heike, I can understand you having an issue with people crowing over winning the campaign, and don't have a problem with that. (As I have said before, I would rather have a consistent populations across the board throughout the day/night and not win, than the situation we have now. But that is ZOS' doing.). My umbrage is only with the notion given by some on here that DC deliberately only come on when everyone else logs off to PVDoor the campaign when this is demonstrably untrue, or that for some reason it's wrong for DC to get scrolls/Emp when they have the number advantage, but perfectly ok for both other factions do the same.5 -
MinarasLaure✭✭✭✭midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for.
Wait, what? Lol
At least be honest about it haha
The only large scale fights you ever happen to have are when you start getting your keeps back.
Once your group reach nikel\roe it's just you and an empty map.
You like large scale fights? Do like many of us, once you see the map is empty switch to vivec.
Also, if you guys pvdoor because "ad do that in prime time" leave EP alone.
You don't need all their keeps to win the campaign.
Lol @ this guy, seriously.
You should tell your AD mates that. You know, the same ones that fight against 5 DC during the daytime with 2 full raids.
I'll tell them as soon as I hear them saying something as stupid (and obviously false) as what asher said above.0 -
midgetfromtheshire✭✭✭✭MinarasLaure wrote: »midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for.
Wait, what? Lol
At least be honest about it haha
The only large scale fights you ever happen to have are when you start getting your keeps back.
Once your group reach nikel\roe it's just you and an empty map.
You like large scale fights? Do like many of us, once you see the map is empty switch to vivec.
Also, if you guys pvdoor because "ad do that in prime time" leave EP alone.
You don't need all their keeps to win the campaign.
Lol @ this guy, seriously.
You should tell your AD mates that. You know, the same ones that fight against 5 DC during the daytime with 2 full raids.
I'll tell them as soon as I hear them saying something as stupid (and obviously false) as what asher said above.
So when Consortium logs on, DC starts out from its gates against AD that are camping their home keeps with higher pop, emp buff and all scrolls. But somehow AD is still the disadvantaged faction. Gotcha!Get rid of faction locks.2 -
MinarasLaure✭✭✭✭midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for.
Wait, what? Lol
At least be honest about it haha
The only large scale fights you ever happen to have are when you start getting your keeps back.
Once your group reach nikel\roe it's just you and an empty map.
You like large scale fights? Do like many of us, once you see the map is empty switch to vivec.
Also, if you guys pvdoor because "ad do that in prime time" leave EP alone.
You don't need all their keeps to win the campaign.
Lol @ this guy, seriously.
You should tell your AD mates that. You know, the same ones that fight against 5 DC during the daytime with 2 full raids.
I'll tell them as soon as I hear them saying something as stupid (and obviously false) as what asher said above.
So when Consortium logs on, DC starts out from its gates against AD that are camping their home keeps with higher pop, emp buff and all scrolls. But somehow AD is still the disadvantaged faction. Gotcha!
You keep missing the point.
I asked a specific question that had nothing to do with AD.
Asher said the reason why they pvdoor is because ad do the same.
So what's the point on pvdooring ep?
Dc don't need their keeps to win the campaign and yet, they pvdoor ad AND ep.
And still, pvdooring at 3am is different than doing the same at 8pm.2 -
Mihael✭✭✭✭Honestly this whole argument is and will continue going on forever until the large scale guilds stop being scared of pvp the only time ad and dc like to pvp is when they are defending emp against 3 people1
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Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭Personally i don’t mind EP but you losers in DC keep tbagging me when it 1v3-4 at 1-4am..yeah like anyone would respect that..Maybe AD does the same but since i play at a different time i wouldn’t know..
But you lied about when AD logs off, when i logged on there wasn’t even a fraction of what there is during NA prime time..but hey keep lying if it makes you feel better0 -
midgetfromtheshire✭✭✭✭Personally i don’t mind EP but you losers in DC keep tbagging me when it 1v3-4 at 1-4am..yeah like anyone would respect that..Maybe AD does the same but since i play at a different time i wouldn’t know..
But you lied about when AD logs off, when i logged on there wasn’t even a fraction of what there is during NA prime time..but hey keep lying if it makes you feel better
That's because AD is too busy logging onto their DC toons to do stuff like this:
Courtesy of an AD player that has done it several nights in a row.Edited by midgetfromtheshire on May 17, 2018 7:59AMGet rid of faction locks.1 -
midgetfromtheshire✭✭✭✭MinarasLaure wrote: »midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for.
Wait, what? Lol
At least be honest about it haha
The only large scale fights you ever happen to have are when you start getting your keeps back.
Once your group reach nikel\roe it's just you and an empty map.
You like large scale fights? Do like many of us, once you see the map is empty switch to vivec.
Also, if you guys pvdoor because "ad do that in prime time" leave EP alone.
You don't need all their keeps to win the campaign.
Lol @ this guy, seriously.
You should tell your AD mates that. You know, the same ones that fight against 5 DC during the daytime with 2 full raids.
I'll tell them as soon as I hear them saying something as stupid (and obviously false) as what asher said above.
So when Consortium logs on, DC starts out from its gates against AD that are camping their home keeps with higher pop, emp buff and all scrolls. But somehow AD is still the disadvantaged faction. Gotcha!
You keep missing the point.
I asked a specific question that had nothing to do with AD.
Asher said the reason why they pvdoor is because ad do the same.
So what's the point on pvdooring ep?
Dc don't need their keeps to win the campaign and yet, they pvdoor ad AND ep.
And still, pvdooring at 3am is different than doing the same at 8pm.
You claim there is a difference, so what is it?Get rid of faction locks.0 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭midgetfromtheshire wrote: »Personally i don’t mind EP but you losers in DC keep tbagging me when it 1v3-4 at 1-4am..yeah like anyone would respect that..Maybe AD does the same but since i play at a different time i wouldn’t know..
But you lied about when AD logs off, when i logged on there wasn’t even a fraction of what there is during NA prime time..but hey keep lying if it makes you feel better
That's because AD is too busy logging onto their DC toons to do stuff like this:
Courtesy of an AD player that has done it several nights in a row.
That easily coulda been anyone any alliance but we‘ll go with it being AD a few days ago you had some guys turning our sieges the wrong way while we were hitting dc0 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for.
Wait, what? Lol
At least be honest about it haha
The only large scale fights you ever happen to have are when you start getting your keeps back.
Once your group reach nikel\roe it's just you and an empty map.
You like large scale fights? Do like many of us, once you see the map is empty switch to vivec.
Also, if you guys pvdoor because "ad do that in prime time" leave EP alone.
You don't need all their keeps to win the campaign.
Lol @ this guy, seriously.
You should tell your AD mates that. You know, the same ones that fight against 5 DC during the daytime with 2 full raids.
I'll tell them as soon as I hear them saying something as stupid (and obviously false) as what asher said above.
So when Consortium logs on, DC starts out from its gates against AD that are camping their home keeps with higher pop, emp buff and all scrolls. But somehow AD is still the disadvantaged faction. Gotcha!
You keep missing the point.
I asked a specific question that had nothing to do with AD.
Asher said the reason why they pvdoor is because ad do the same.
So what's the point on pvdooring ep?
Dc don't need their keeps to win the campaign and yet, they pvdoor ad AND ep.
And still, pvdooring at 3am is different than doing the same at 8pm.
You claim there is a difference, so what is it?
The fact this is an NA server not EU..most NA sleep at 3am but maybe you think no Americans sleep0 -
midgetfromtheshire✭✭✭✭midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »midgetfromtheshire wrote: »MinarasLaure wrote: »We love the large scale fights, that is what our guild was formed for.
Wait, what? Lol
At least be honest about it haha
The only large scale fights you ever happen to have are when you start getting your keeps back.
Once your group reach nikel\roe it's just you and an empty map.
You like large scale fights? Do like many of us, once you see the map is empty switch to vivec.
Also, if you guys pvdoor because "ad do that in prime time" leave EP alone.
You don't need all their keeps to win the campaign.
Lol @ this guy, seriously.
You should tell your AD mates that. You know, the same ones that fight against 5 DC during the daytime with 2 full raids.
I'll tell them as soon as I hear them saying something as stupid (and obviously false) as what asher said above.
So when Consortium logs on, DC starts out from its gates against AD that are camping their home keeps with higher pop, emp buff and all scrolls. But somehow AD is still the disadvantaged faction. Gotcha!
You keep missing the point.
I asked a specific question that had nothing to do with AD.
Asher said the reason why they pvdoor is because ad do the same.
So what's the point on pvdooring ep?
Dc don't need their keeps to win the campaign and yet, they pvdoor ad AND ep.
And still, pvdooring at 3am is different than doing the same at 8pm.
You claim there is a difference, so what is it?
The fact this is an NA server not EU..most NA sleep at 3am but maybe you think no Americans sleep
As Asher pointed out in his post, at the times Consortium raids there is still a 2 or 3 bar AD pop online and the raids start at about 21:00 PST.Edited by midgetfromtheshire on May 17, 2018 8:55AMGet rid of faction locks.1 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭Idk i just want good fights whether i get rekt or not..which is often..I’m just done with the hypocrites and showboaters
You beat me 3v1 now you gotta insult me? And seeing as DC is the one doing that and not EP..is the reason i dislike DC0 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭You beat me 3v1 now you gotta insult me? And seeing as DC is the one doing that and not EP..is the reason i dislike DC
Heimpi, as someone who also didn't enjoy being teabagged for the first time, teabagging is unfortunately something you are just going to have to get used to if you want to PVP. There are many players in *all* factions who see nothing wrong with teabagging. Some do it to insult their opposition, some do it for fun, some do it out of habits learnt in a different game, some do it to their own team mates when they mess up and some do it to encourage the dead player to despawn quickly. It doesn't matter whether the fight is 1v1, 1v3 or 1vZerg you will get teabagged.
Try to not to take it personally, learn to laugh it off, and when you can, use it to your advantage (those players stood over your body teabagging you are being kept away from killing your team mates, or are making juicy distracted targets for other players near you).
Edited by esotoon on May 17, 2018 12:01PM1 -
Jayelf✭✭another enjoyable campaign. good ap, some good fights. grats ad for not giving up, win or lose.
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