Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII

ShadowMonarch

Starting the new campaign off in style I see https://imgur.com/a/fI1wqM8

Also Sense low pop bonus turns off after you get to first place this is happening: https://imgur.com/a/eSZ9nj7

Everytime one passes the other the one that get pushed down to 2nd place gets a low pop bonus, then when they take first the other team gets the bonus, and back and fourth.

Glad to see the always over preforming low pop bonus is yet again showing the stupidity in its system.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you please comment on this or at least bring it to the attention of the Dev team? I think you have to admit its a little ridiculous, the low pop bonus has literally won people campaigns by NOT playing.

I will never understand why a faction holding the Majority of the map can have a low population bonus, meanwhile every faction is at the same population ranking. They need to just get rid of the bonus or tone it wayyyy down, if your going to help the lowest pop faction out you should help them, not give them more points then the biggest faction is getting while maintaining 3 keeps, it only encourages PvDoor sense you have to push a low pop bonus faction to the dirt to make sure they don't get more points then you for nothing.

mursie

esotoon wrote: »

My umbrage is only with the notion given by some on here that DC deliberately only come on when everyone else logs off to PVDoor the campaign when this is demonstrably untrue, or that for some reason it's wrong for DC to get scrolls/Emp when they have the number advantage, but perfectly ok for both other factions do the same.

I don't think you understand the definition of demonstrably. It's root comes from the word demonstrate.
Defined as: "clearly show the existence or truth of (something) by giving proof or evidence."

Based on the above definition, you are definitely using demonstrably incorrectly above. You indicate it has been demonstrably shown to be untrue that everyone logs off and at that time DC deliberately logs on and PVDoor's the campaign.

The problem is - it has been demonstrated... for basically well over 45 days consecutively - to be EXACTLY that pattern of logging on and PVDooring the campaign once everyone else logs off.

Sorry to point this out so bluntly but I can't stand to see our educational system fail so hard at teaching our youth the correct definition and usage of vocabulary in the english language.

Take care friend - see you on the battlefield.

esotoon

mursie wrote: »

I don't think you understand the definition of demonstrably. It's root comes from the word demonstrate. Defined as: "clearly show the existence or truth of (something) by giving proof or evidence."

I understand the word perfectly, but thank you for taking the time to quote the dictionary in case I didn't.

For example, in the topic at hand, the "proof or evidence" would be:

1) If people are fighting Bashu and his group on the server from 9pm CST through to midnight CST and beyond, this is clear 'proof or evidence' that Bashu and his group are not logging on at midnight CST.

2) If people are fighting Asher and his group on the server from 10pm CST through to midnight CST and beyond, this is clear 'proof or evidence' that Asher and his group are also not logging on at midnight CST.

3) As the server usually has a 3 bar AD pop, and 2 bar EP pop during these time periods, this is clear 'proof or evidence' that the server is not empty at this time.

As Asher and Bashu's Groups are the only DC groups running, we can therefor conclude that the accusations that DC only logs on at midnight CST, or deliberately logs on only after everyone else has logged off, in order to PVDoor the map, to be demonstrably wrong.

(n.b. If you, yourself, have not witnessed these groups fighting at these times, and are not willing to accept anything less than first hand experience, may I suggest a sojourn at the nearest EP/AD Keep to DC's frontline during the period in question?)

Sorry to point this out so bluntly but I can't stand to see our educational system fail so hard at teaching our youth the correct definition and usage of vocabulary in the english language.

I'm glad your education in English was so complete. Having studied the subject to such a great degree, perhaps next term it is time to widen your boundaries and partake in the other subjects that our excellent education system has to offer? A class in logic perchance?

Take care friend - see you on the battlefield.

You too, friend.


(You see, as well as knowing what "Demonstrably" means, like you, I also know what "Patronising" means. Great thing our education system, isn't it? )

Mihael

https://imgur.com/a/Z650o6t


I wish I still had miats downloaded

pzschrek

I was in there for the first time in months a couple nights ago. This used to be a good campaign and it continues to be ruined by players who hate pvp. Which in my opinion based on observation is all of you.

I main AD and can't understand why AD would play there. I don't. It's BORING.

Zerg at the same time and it would be a lot of fun. But because you Zerg at different times, you ruin pvp for everyone else on all 3 sides in my opinion.

ShadowMonarch

https://imgur.com/a/HiI2nHg

Once again the 2nd place faction is STILL getting low pop bonus days later, doesn't matter if all the populations are at low, the 2nd place faction has been getting a low pop bonus pretty much all day every day, if that faction gets bumped to first then it loses its low pop bonus and the one that just got bumped to 2nd gets the bonus.

DC is literally getting more points then EP in this case with 4 keeps then EP is getting for almost the ENTIRE map.

Low pop bonus needs to end, its giving way too many points and its doing it without a real reason.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you give a comment? It has been doing this for days, and the issue has won factions entire campaigns this year.

https://imgur.com/a/HiI2nHg
https://imgur.com/a/eSZ9nj7
https://imgur.com/a/fI1wqM8

All of these screenshots are of this campaign.

gabriebe

The reason why the low pop bonus is not giving you as many points is pretty much because these points were earned without much pop on the server. It's... working as intended. Anyway, you can stop crying starting Monday, apparently it will be recalculated every few hours from then on.

AD zerging its way to a third place 1 or 2 months ago was amazing.

Minno

gabriebe wrote: »

The reason why the low pop bonus is not giving you as many points is pretty much because these points were earned without much pop on the server. It's... working as intended. Anyway, you can stop crying starting Monday, apparently it will be recalculated every few hours from then on.

AD zerging its way to a third place 1 or 2 months ago was amazing.

nothing like a zerg so bored they have to take faction tri-keeps for a second time to only come into last place on the scoreboard lol.

There is a reason less pop servers generally agree on leaving tri-keeps alone and it's more so mechanic than honorable lol.

cbaudersub17_ESO

AD zerging or two other factions taking their ball and going home?

Maikon

Minno wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

The reason why the low pop bonus is not giving you as many points is pretty much because these points were earned without much pop on the server. It's... working as intended. Anyway, you can stop crying starting Monday, apparently it will be recalculated every few hours from then on.

AD zerging its way to a third place 1 or 2 months ago was amazing.

nothing like a zerg so bored they have to take faction tri-keeps for a second time to only come into last place on the scoreboard lol.

There is a reason less pop servers generally agree on leaving tri-keeps alone and it's more so mechanic than honorable lol.

If you don't wanna get tri-keep camped, then don't do it to us.

Galalin

Maikon wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

The reason why the low pop bonus is not giving you as many points is pretty much because these points were earned without much pop on the server. It's... working as intended. Anyway, you can stop crying starting Monday, apparently it will be recalculated every few hours from then on.

AD zerging its way to a third place 1 or 2 months ago was amazing.

nothing like a zerg so bored they have to take faction tri-keeps for a second time to only come into last place on the scoreboard lol.

There is a reason less pop servers generally agree on leaving tri-keeps alone and it's more so mechanic than honorable lol.

If you don't wanna get tri-keep camped, then don't do it to us.

You guys don't gate camp. You take keeps with 20+ AD with 1-2 defenders. Get it right your PvD Zerglings.

Setana_Shial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qEYofYNKso&feature=youtu.be
Wow this blue sora is back doing so very questionable [snip].

[Edited to remove profanity]

Sixth

sup ***, lfg

AsherGrey

Sixth wrote: »

sup ***, lfg

Consortium is not officially playing in sotha this campaign. We took a break to re-gear our characters / complete summerset content. Contact me in game @Asher'grey if you are looking for a team next camp.

Drakkdjinn

WTB ADs that don't camp tri-gates & more EP/DC that fight players.

Taylor_MB

My friends are the best

Jayelf

AsherGrey wrote: »

Sixth wrote: »

sup ***, lfg

Consortium is not officially playing in sotha this campaign. We took a break to re-gear our characters / complete summerset content. Contact me in game @Asher'grey if you are looking for a team next camp.

Ok but i thought i seen u guys when low pop kicked in?

Taylor_MB

Jayelf wrote: »

AsherGrey wrote: »

Sixth wrote: »

sup ***, lfg

Consortium is not officially playing in sotha this campaign. We took a break to re-gear our characters / complete summerset content. Contact me in game @Asher'grey if you are looking for a team next camp.

Ok but i thought i seen u guys when low pop kicked in?

They rolled my 5-man 2-3 times, but in fairness they left after taking 1 keep and 1 outpost after they realised we were all EP had at the time.

mursie

esotoon wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

I don't think you understand the definition of demonstrably. It's root comes from the word demonstrate. Defined as: "clearly show the existence or truth of (something) by giving proof or evidence."

I understand the word perfectly, but thank you for taking the time to quote the dictionary in case I didn't.

For example, in the topic at hand, the "proof or evidence" would be:

1) If people are fighting Bashu and his group on the server from 9pm CST through to midnight CST and beyond, this is clear 'proof or evidence' that Bashu and his group are not logging on at midnight CST.

2) If people are fighting Asher and his group on the server from 10pm CST through to midnight CST and beyond, this is clear 'proof or evidence' that Asher and his group are also not logging on at midnight CST.

3) As the server usually has a 3 bar AD pop, and 2 bar EP pop during these time periods, this is clear 'proof or evidence' that the server is not empty at this time.

As Asher and Bashu's Groups are the only DC groups running, we can therefor conclude that the accusations that DC only logs on at midnight CST, or deliberately logs on only after everyone else has logged off, in order to PVDoor the map, to be demonstrably wrong.

(n.b. If you, yourself, have not witnessed these groups fighting at these times, and are not willing to accept anything less than first hand experience, may I suggest a sojourn at the nearest EP/AD Keep to DC's frontline during the period in question?)

Sorry to point this out so bluntly but I can't stand to see our educational system fail so hard at teaching our youth the correct definition and usage of vocabulary in the english language.

I'm glad your education in English was so complete. Having studied the subject to such a great degree, perhaps next term it is time to widen your boundaries and partake in the other subjects that our excellent education system has to offer? A class in logic perchance?

Take care friend - see you on the battlefield.

You too, friend.


(You see, as well as knowing what "Demonstrably" means, like you, I also know what "Patronising" means. Great thing our education system, isn't it? )

a lot of verbal diarrhea there. you should get some pepto for that. it looks quite uncomfortable. From what little I could make out of that rambling incoherent steaming pile of bs - it looks like you think that the mere presence of a player at 10pm indicates the DC faction as a group is not actively logging on once the opposition has died down and then PVdooring the map. Here is what I see - at 10pm when AD is rolling - DC bar is 1, and they aren't doing anything. When AD pop dies down to 1 bar, a very strange thing happens. DC starts to take the map - and guess what else happens, DC pop raises to two bars. WHAT!!!!>??? is this demonstrable proof that DC in fact logs on AFTER opposing population dies down...

I don't know. could be coincidence I guess. crazy that it happens every night ... right around the time opposing population logs off.

Galalin

I have seen first hand Asher's grp come into Sotha start taking the maps if there is resistance they can't just roll over they leave and will return maybe an hour later. Rinse and repeat until they can PvD the map. Now this was over a month ago and more than a few times (not coincidence). I have no idea what's going on now or if its still the same

gabriebe

That population increases when your team stops taking losses after losses is nothing new. And if you`re DC and are used to a poplocked AD against 1 bar of EP and DC, it kinda makes sense to log in once the pop is more manageable.

esotoon

mursie wrote: »

From what little I could make out of that rambling incoherent steaming pile of bs - it looks like you think that the mere presence of a player at 10pm indicates the DC faction as a group is not actively logging on once the opposition has died down and then PVdooring the map.

Who said anything about the presence of a player? I talked about the presence of two guilds. The two main DC Guilds. The two DC Guilds being accused of only coming on the server at midnight CST, or once everyone has logged off. You know, the subject of the conversation.

When AD pop dies down to 1 bar, a very strange thing happens. DC starts to take the map - and guess what else happens, DC pop raises to two bars. WHAT!!!!>??? is this demonstrable proof that DC in fact logs on AFTER opposing population dies down...

I don't know. could be coincidence I guess. crazy that it happens every night

Given it's rare for DC to go up to two bars after AD drops to one bar, let alone it happening "every night", and given your inability to comprehend my previous post (or, less charitably, the way you deliberately twisted/ignored its point), I am not sure what else to say to you. If you want to insist that DC only logs on after everyone else logs off, that's your prerogative.

HazelRose

So I haven't played much in Sotha the last two months. But from this thread it sounds like AD zergs, DC zergs, and EP sits on their butts wishing they could zerg. Did I miss anything?

Even the forum PvP reads exactly the same for the last six months. It's truly depressing.

Heimpai

LaveniaRose wrote: »

So I haven't played much in Sotha the last two months. But from this thread it sounds like AD zergs, DC zergs, and EP sits on their butts wishing they could zerg. Did I miss anything?

Even the forum PvP reads exactly the same for the last six months. It's truly depressing.

Spot on, no one zergs at the same time, watched EP hide at the farm till i logged out, there was only 4 of us and they couldn’t handle it..

I’m assuming that’s not how they normally play but was still funny, i actually wanted to be EP when i started but couldn’t figure out how to change alliance with Imperial so i got stuck AD ._.

esotoon

LaveniaRose wrote: »

So I haven't played much in Sotha the last two months. But from this thread it sounds like AD zergs, DC zergs, and EP sits on their butts wishing they could zerg. Did I miss anything?

Even the forum PvP reads exactly the same for the last six months. It's truly depressing.

EP also ‘Zergs’, usually during the day time at some point.

Mihael

All the guilds on sotha hate pvp and love pvdoor you are all guilty of it

Drakkdjinn

Setana_Shial wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qEYofYNKso&feature=youtu.be
Wow this blue sora is back doing so very questionable [snip].

[Edited to remove profanity]

That ADplars pink dress is def too hawt to be legit

Mihael wrote: »

All the guilds on sotha hate pvp and love pvdoor you are all guilty of it

QFT

Heike

Galalin wrote: »

I have seen first hand Asher's grp come into Sotha start taking the maps if there is resistance they can't just roll over they leave and will return maybe an hour later. Rinse and repeat until they can PvD the map...

Galalin’s got it right here. And people can rationalize it anyway they want to, but it’s the truth.

My guild logged onto our DC toons last night, to level up tier3 rewards. And sure enough, the calls went out in zone to start grouping up at Midnight cst.

And the 2 guild/group leaders have played this past week in primetime. @Jayelf and I ran during the week and we encountered both guys on early in the evening. So why is it that they “say” that their jobs keep them from being on early, as well as claiming to be “overnight guilds,” when they play ESO during the early evenings almost nightly...?

I’m friends with Godshifter and I can’t stand the EP early morning PVDooring for Emp. But at least that’s at the start of the day... and they make no qualms about it, or try to rationalize it. They admit it - they want the map. And I respect that honesty, bushleague play or not.

There are players here in the forums defending DC’s overnighting, who play until 4-5am. And then come in here trying to convince the rest of us that “...well, AD are regularly at 3 bars at 3am.” Or... “there were some great fights at 4am.”

That’s simply not true. That’s laughable. Period.

My question is this: If DC can get lowpop and lowscore bonuses, why would you WANT TO pvdoor anything...? If you’re getting 3.5k for taking a resource, or 13k for pvdooring a keep while AD and EP fight... and you have a large guild group(s)... why would you NOT want to go get in the mix early on in the evening, when you could be racking up 500k from large scale fights...?

Why wait until the population dies down, before coming into Cyrodiil and throwing out invites...?

It makes zero sense.

Maikon

Heike wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

I have seen first hand Asher's grp come into Sotha start taking the maps if there is resistance they can't just roll over they leave and will return maybe an hour later. Rinse and repeat until they can PvD the map...

Galalin’s got it right here. And people can rationalize it anyway they want to, but it’s the truth.

My guild logged onto our DC toons last night, to level up tier3 rewards. And sure enough, the calls went out in zone to start grouping up at Midnight cst.

And the 2 guild/group leaders have played this past week in primetime. @Jayelf and I ran during the week and we encountered both guys on early in the evening. So why is it that they “say” that their jobs keep them from being on early, as well as claiming to be “overnight guilds,” when they play ESO during the early evenings almost nightly...?

I’m friends with Godshifter and I can’t stand the EP early morning PVDooring for Emp. But at least that’s at the start of the day... and they make no qualms about it, or try to rationalize it. They admit it - they want the map. And I respect that honesty, bushleague play or not.

There are players here in the forums defending DC’s overnighting, who play until 4-5am. And then come in here trying to convince the rest of us that “...well, AD are regularly at 3 bars at 3am.” Or... “there were some great fights at 4am.”

That’s simply not true. That’s laughable. Period.

My question is this: If DC can get lowpop and lowscore bonuses, why would you WANT TO pvdoor anything...? If you’re getting 3.5k for taking a resource, or 13k for pvdooring a keep while AD and EP fight... and you have a large guild group(s)... why would you NOT want to go get in the mix early on in the evening, when you could be racking up 500k from large scale fights...?

Why wait until the population dies down, before coming into Cyrodiil and throwing out invites...?

It makes zero sense.

It's funny how they want the whole map and camp our keeps for hours on end and think nothing of it, but when we go into their territory for their scrolls, they cry tri-keep camping and send salty racist whispers. Gotta love that double standard.

ELDER_HOFF

I have played AD 3 years (sotha mostly after Haderous) and EP now for the last 6 months after the numbers got so ridiculous if you logged on after 9pm there was nothing to do but divebomb gate keeps. I have been telling anyone who would listen That AD cant help that they have population. After 8:30 or 9pm its going to be 3 bars of take your sh-...
It is just how it has been. Its not like Ep doesn't try, or put up fights, its just that with numbers you got this, suck or no suck. DC is what it is, and yes comes on and does their thing when they can with usually much less pop. I wish Consortium came on more, it's better for PVP. I laugh when AD buds tell me EP zergs.. cause it's crazy from the EP perspective when there are enough people taking BRK to have 25 running around inside guarding posterns while 25 hit the door as the 25 run around the outside crushing camps and support. I wish we had that so it would be more of a challenge for you. My buddy Dark E says the other night 5 minutes after a minimum 75 man take at BRK that EP is the ones zerging "his team is just that good." LOL! Bottom line, it's ok. There will always be someone to hate, there will always be OP this and that, people who are learning the game will always think it's funny to camp gates, people will log on when they can win, and Godshifter will always be emp when he plays because he is 24/7 "buff status" for ap. Oh, and I will always snipe you when you are engaged with others so I can stare at my KD ratio and feel special. Don't take this seriously, it's not real. If you think this will ever be perfect you are just stressing yourself for nothing. Go back to my day in 1980's and all you can be pissed at is that your Intellivision inserts are faded and/or your Nintendo controller is giving your thumb severe cramps and calluses. ESO life is good.