ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
If it's not a debuff you can apply as a solo player, how does it help you test your damage as a solo player?
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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
- Update 23Ice Furnace: This item set now grants Spell Damage, rather than Weapon Damage for the 4 piece bonus
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »
- Update 23Ice Furnace: This item set now grants Spell Damage, rather than Weapon Damage for the 4 piece bonus
ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »
Pointless you will never be able to get the synergy.
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
for the sake of damage testing for the solo players.
(Target Skeleton that already has Major Fracture & Major Breach applied to itself)
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
The sustain from Ele is more important than the Breach. You can mathematically calculate how much your numbers are affected by the Breach. But sustain affects how you DPS--e.g., having to stop a rotation to work in a heavy attack.
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
The sustain from Ele is more important than the Breach. You can mathematically calculate how much your numbers are affected by the Breach. But sustain affects how you DPS--e.g., having to stop a rotation to work in a heavy attack.
Nah.
You can just do your dps test till you run out of magicka and then calculate how much more magicka you'd have with magickasteal (ergo how much longer would you last) in your current rotation. A lot easier maths wise than estimating DPS pre or post Breach and far less likely to produce errors.
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
The sustain from Ele is more important than the Breach. You can mathematically calculate how much your numbers are affected by the Breach. But sustain affects how you DPS--e.g., having to stop a rotation to work in a heavy attack.
Nah.
You can just do your dps test till you run out of magicka and then calculate how much more magicka you'd have with magickasteal (ergo how much longer would you last) in your current rotation. A lot easier maths wise than estimating DPS pre or post Breach and far less likely to produce errors.
How on earth are you saying that calculating how much different your rotation would be with proper sustain is easier than just adding 11% to whatever score you've got?
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
The sustain from Ele is more important than the Breach. You can mathematically calculate how much your numbers are affected by the Breach. But sustain affects how you DPS--e.g., having to stop a rotation to work in a heavy attack.
Nah.
You can just do your dps test till you run out of magicka and then calculate how much more magicka you'd have with magickasteal (ergo how much longer would you last) in your current rotation. A lot easier maths wise than estimating DPS pre or post Breach and far less likely to produce errors.
How on earth are you saying that calculating how much different your rotation would be with proper sustain is easier than just adding 11% to whatever score you've got?
Oh what you're saying is definitely easier. Also, definitely wrong.
If you're using a destruction staff, the Penetrating Magic passive means those spells are hitting the target with less resistance by 10%. 10% after the flat reduction of Spell Res you applied by Major Breach,Crushing etc. So you get diminishing returns by that passive the more flat reduction you apply on the target.
In other words, if you want to be correct, you'd have to calculate separately the damage of your destro spells and separately that of everything else and use different coefficients about how much each type would be buffed in the case of Major Breach.
By comparison, when you test your rotation, you can say you lasted say 55" before going oom and the only difference in your magicka sustain would be 55*300 = 16.5k magicka from magicka steal. So you can safely estimate how long you can maintain that rotation for.
I think its should just have a menu with all buffs on it, to tick off and see max deeps.
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
The sustain from Ele is more important than the Breach. You can mathematically calculate how much your numbers are affected by the Breach. But sustain affects how you DPS--e.g., having to stop a rotation to work in a heavy attack.
Nah.
You can just do your dps test till you run out of magicka and then calculate how much more magicka you'd have with magickasteal (ergo how much longer would you last) in your current rotation. A lot easier maths wise than estimating DPS pre or post Breach and far less likely to produce errors.
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
The sustain from Ele is more important than the Breach. You can mathematically calculate how much your numbers are affected by the Breach. But sustain affects how you DPS--e.g., having to stop a rotation to work in a heavy attack.
Nah.
You can just do your dps test till you run out of magicka and then calculate how much more magicka you'd have with magickasteal (ergo how much longer would you last) in your current rotation. A lot easier maths wise than estimating DPS pre or post Breach and far less likely to produce errors.
Nah
Your only parsing half the fight that way. Would be worthless data for every build other than magicka DK.
It would be a lot more complex math wise.
It would be most worthless for determining when to start execute for some builds.
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
The sustain from Ele is more important than the Breach. You can mathematically calculate how much your numbers are affected by the Breach. But sustain affects how you DPS--e.g., having to stop a rotation to work in a heavy attack.
Nah.
You can just do your dps test till you run out of magicka and then calculate how much more magicka you'd have with magickasteal (ergo how much longer would you last) in your current rotation. A lot easier maths wise than estimating DPS pre or post Breach and far less likely to produce errors.
Nah
Your only parsing half the fight that way. Would be worthless data for every build other than magicka DK.
It would be a lot more complex math wise.
It would be most worthless for determining when to start execute for some builds.
That test is worthless for absolutely everyone. The arrival time and duration of the execute phase depends on the abilities of the other dps in your group and the boss HP. Unless you are soloing the dungeon/trial. It's a pointless test.
When you are creating a build (sets, skill bars etc.) and developing a rotation, your target is to find the highest sustainable DPS for the 80% of the fight. The execute phase is just the same but replacing your spammable dps with an execute if you have one.
What would be more useful from that point of view is if you could set the the Max HP and even better set the Max HP and the Current HP of the dummy. So say you configure the dummy with 5m max HP and set the current hp to 1m. So you can test separately your dps during the normal and the execute phase.
WTB test dummy with elem drain on it
You really can't make a serious dps test without elem drain if you are a mag dd. So you have either give it yourself which results in a dps loose or ask a friend to help you.
Morph the skill (Elemental Drain) the other way, it stays on the target so long as you do damage but you lose the Magickasteal.
Apply it on the dummy, swap the skill out, start your rotation before the effect ends. It will stay on till you finish your dps test.
The sustain from Ele is more important than the Breach. You can mathematically calculate how much your numbers are affected by the Breach. But sustain affects how you DPS--e.g., having to stop a rotation to work in a heavy attack.
Nah.
You can just do your dps test till you run out of magicka and then calculate how much more magicka you'd have with magickasteal (ergo how much longer would you last) in your current rotation. A lot easier maths wise than estimating DPS pre or post Breach and far less likely to produce errors.
Nah
Your only parsing half the fight that way. Would be worthless data for every build other than magicka DK.
It would be a lot more complex math wise.
It would be most worthless for determining when to start execute for some builds.
That test is worthless for absolutely everyone. The arrival time and duration of the execute phase depends on the abilities of the other dps in your group and the boss HP. Unless you are soloing the dungeon/trial. It's a pointless test.
When you are creating a build (sets, skill bars etc.) and developing a rotation, your target is to find the highest sustainable DPS for the 80% of the fight. The execute phase is just the same but replacing your spammable dps with an execute if you have one.
What would be more useful from that point of view is if you could set the the Max HP and even better set the Max HP and the Current HP of the dummy. So say you configure the dummy with 5m max HP and set the current hp to 1m. So you can test separately your dps during the normal and the execute phase.
Nah. Your looking such a narrow focus that you appear to fail at seeing the obvious benefits of what is being discussed here making your comments fall off point.
Oh what you're saying is definitely easier. Also, definitely wrong.
No.
The target dummies should ALWAYS have identical stats, with some having more health than others. There is a reason why guild ask for "self buffed" DPS parses.
That way damage parses don't get more diluted than they already are.
If you wish to know your damage after the Major debuffs are applied, simply ask a friend to come and keep those debuffs on the target.
And no, you cannot claim those results are self buffed.
No.
The target dummies should ALWAYS have identical stats, with some having more health than others. There is a reason why guild ask for "self buffed" DPS parses.
That way damage parses don't get more diluted than they already are.
If you wish to know your damage after the Major debuffs are applied, simply ask a friend to come and keep those debuffs on the target.
And no, you cannot claim those results are self buffed.
All self buffed DPS parses that are required by guilds include Major Fracture or Breach.