PTS Patch Notes v3.1.4

Alcast

Destruent wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Destruent

My understanding was that RD does that 33k from 50% to 25% as well. Hence the statement.

no it doesn't, it scales up like all other execute-mechanics (excluding killers blade/impale and sorc execute) and is doing this since they introduced it.
And even IF it does this 33k from 50% to 25%....it would be worse then puncturing sweeps (sweeps 4x 9k crits + 10k burning light = 46k in 1.1 sec --> 42k/sec) and therefore useless...

edit: numbers for sweeps could be lower on dummy i guess...but still, you get the point...

maybe @Asayre made some calculations? Like why did Jesus beam not get different damage numbers in the newest patch but Impale did?

@Alcast did you test radiant glory? maybe that magicka-bonus damage is messing things up?

wasnt me that tested it, my bud just told me that his jesus beam did 33k before and 33k after the pts patch, meanwhile impale went up drastically.

Rikkof

@ZOS_GinaBruno ,
this nerf pushed me away from this game, I have canceled my sub, uninstalled the game and now playing world of Warcraft full time
congratz, many more magica sorcerer will quit after this nerf

rhapsodious

Take care!

That sucks that Radiant isn't getting the same level of damage. Hopefully it's a bug and not intended.

Merlin13KAGL

Rikkof wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno ,
this nerf pushed me away from this game, I have canceled my sub, uninstalled the game and now playing world of Warcraft full time
congratz, many more magica sorcerer will quit after this nerf

So, you're that guy that stand up in the middle of the office, flips the boss 'the bird,' and expects the entire staff is going to walk out the door with you, huh?

jcaceresw

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

16 new posts about necro?
Just how bad of a player do you have to be to roll magsorc AND cry about A 400 magika nerf??

It doesn't have anything to do with being a "bad" player, who the *** are you to judge anyway. People are sick of the *** nerfs from these useless devs that are beholden to corporate greed and don't give a *** about making a quality game.

It kinda does. Usually bad players are sick of nerfs to stuff that made them better. Good players adjust.

Certainly some of the players that don't like this change are "bad", whatever that means, but there are certainly "good" players, what ever that means, who won't like it either. The guy that thinks those players are "bad" is just salty he gets killed by magsorcs.

Actually magsorc are the only class I beat 9/10.
I do call it as I see it though. Magsorc is eso on ez settings. And here you are still crying for 400 magika. How much magika were you running btw? 40k? 45k? 48k?

Wish I could get those numbers but I don't use pets, do not have master or VMA weapons and haven't found enough people to do dungeons or trials to get the BIS gear there. At most I have the best monster helm depending of class.

reiverx

Rikkof wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno ,
this nerf pushed me away from this game, I have canceled my sub, uninstalled the game and now playing world of Warcraft full time
congratz, many more magica sorcerer will quit after this nerf

If there was a token that let me convert my DK into a sorc, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Rikkof

Epicasballs wrote: »

I like the necro 5 piec change! Sorc DPS was way over the top compared to other classes and every sorc out there hitting the highest numbers were wearing Necropotence. With the changes to mundus, weapon traits and buffs to other gear sets it should bring them in line with other classes finally. Thank You, this magblade greatly appreciates the changes Can't wait for reactions from the sorc camp though haha.

YES, HA HA
Ur precious game is losing subs because of this, many ppl will quit, I know I did, company will go BANKRUPT, but still u will be around lol'ing ur way to the forums, to complain that there isn't anyone left to play
They just killed their own game, I advice all sorc players to quit this game asap, like I did, or at least cancel their subs.

Tanis-Stormbinder

Would be nice to have a fix so that Templars exclude, Jab's and Sweep scale correctly.

jcaceresw

Rikkof wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno ,
this nerf pushed me away from this game, I have canceled my sub, uninstalled the game and now playing world of Warcraft full time
congratz, many more magica sorcerer will quit after this nerf

I wont quit but I dislike the need to farm for gear again. Since they are changing crafted sets I believe they should focus on rebalance the other ones for the next patch (hopefully before Witches Festival)

bubbygink

Rikkof wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno ,
this nerf pushed me away from this game, I have canceled my sub, uninstalled the game and now playing world of Warcraft full time
congratz, many more magica sorcerer will quit after this nerf

I feel like I've seen you "quit" like 5 times over the past few months. Also a 500 magicka nerf to necro caused you to cancel your sub and uninstall the game? Sheesh, overreact much?

rhapsodious

bubbygink wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno ,
this nerf pushed me away from this game, I have canceled my sub, uninstalled the game and now playing world of Warcraft full time
congratz, many more magica sorcerer will quit after this nerf

I feel like I've seen you "quit" like 5 times over the past few months. Also a 500 magicka nerf to necro caused you to cancel your sub and uninstall the game? Sheesh, overreact much?

Just wait until he finds out it's a nerf to nightblades who run shades too

Kanar

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

• The bonus damage dealt by execute abilities, such as Assassin’s Blade or Reverse Slash, now works more intuitively with global damage done bonuses, such as Mighty or Minor/Major Berserk. Execute bonus damage is now multiplicative with global damage bonuses instead of additive.

Nice! Does this multiplicative change also apply to swords buffed by Twin Blade and Blunt / Heavy weapons and bows buffed by Hawk Eye / Long Shots?

The change is only to execute abilities, not passives, so it has no effect on Twin Blade and Blunt. However, it does mean that Poison Injection deals more damage when combined with Hawk Eye or Long Shots.

Does the change apply to steel tornado? DW gets its execute from the passive ability so the change really should apply to that as well.

Joy_Division

Rikkof wrote: »

Epicasballs wrote: »

I like the necro 5 piec change! Sorc DPS was way over the top compared to other classes and every sorc out there hitting the highest numbers were wearing Necropotence. With the changes to mundus, weapon traits and buffs to other gear sets it should bring them in line with other classes finally. Thank You, this magblade greatly appreciates the changes Can't wait for reactions from the sorc camp though haha.

YES, HA HA
Ur precious game is losing subs because of this, many ppl will quit, I know I did, company will go BANKRUPT, but still u will be around lol'ing ur way to the forums, to complain that there isn't anyone left to play
They just killed their own game, I advice all sorc players to quit this game asap, like I did, or at least cancel their subs.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is the nerf to sorcerers this poster is complaining about? Or is he complaining about the very minor lowering of one of the best armor sets in the game that is really strong for two other classes as well?

Glamdring

Rikkof wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno ,
this nerf pushed me away from this game, I have canceled my sub, uninstalled the game and now playing world of Warcraft full time
congratz, many more magica sorcerer will quit after this nerf

stop crying kid, magsorcs are still ruling in both pvp and pve.

Transairion

For those confuzzled about the Necropotence nerf being "a bad thing", please keep in mind that Necropotence will now only give ~650 more resources than Draugr Hulk will... while still having a strict requirement that prevents 100% uptime in most scenarios. Compared to just slapping Hulk on and having 100% uptime. A set that, mind you, was previous NERFED from 3000 Stamina for giving too much with no requirement at all.

Also keep in mind almost every armor set in the game had their 1-4 peices buffed as well (Necro included), so other sets that were similar or equal would be flatout better than an un-nerfed Necro in the first place. See Julianous, etc.


Can we get "Pets do x% more damage" buff added to Necropotence now, you're really breaking the kneecaps of dedicated pet users to deal with the meta chasing crowd... you know, again. Necro was designed for Sorc Summons and it isn't even being nerfed because of that, LOL.

Saturn

Feanor wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Fixed an issue where the Infused weapon trait and the Torug’s Pact set bonus were stacking additively instead of multiplicatively.

No further changes to oblivion damage at all? Nice. Gonna be awesome in Cyrodiil for the next six months. Not.

I swear some people won't be happy until this game has no proc enchants and sets ever. Like they nerfed Viper and so many other things, but every time people just find something new to complain about. I mean the oblivion damage with infused and torug's is good, no doubt, but come on, it's a ~3k damage proc... If that's all you have to complain about then I think the game is in a good spot, honestly.

I just tested it again. It's going to be really awful. But apparently you're fine with 3k damage you can't mitigate and that you just get for wearing a set and a glyph.

Yes I'm fine with that considering so many other abilities and sets working together can make your light attacks hit harder than that, not to mentioning most basic weapon damage stacking builds can 2 or 3 shot you. When I PvP with my werewolf I consistently get 6-7k non-crit howls that shreds people, but I never see people complaining about that, no, they just want to whine about that little proc damage as if that's what lost them the fight. I wish when people made an outrage about something in ESO that it wasn't something so stupid, like for example, when the f**k are they changing the warden's spammy bird ability that cannot be dodged? Or the exploding stun bugs that have no tell (unless you like looking at people's feet 24/7).

Let's talk about the real s**t, instead of making proc damage that requires a 5p set to fully utlise seem like it's totally game-breaking, because it's not.

Destruent

Saturn wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Fixed an issue where the Infused weapon trait and the Torug’s Pact set bonus were stacking additively instead of multiplicatively.

No further changes to oblivion damage at all? Nice. Gonna be awesome in Cyrodiil for the next six months. Not.

I swear some people won't be happy until this game has no proc enchants and sets ever. Like they nerfed Viper and so many other things, but every time people just find something new to complain about. I mean the oblivion damage with infused and torug's is good, no doubt, but come on, it's a ~3k damage proc... If that's all you have to complain about then I think the game is in a good spot, honestly.

I just tested it again. It's going to be really awful. But apparently you're fine with 3k damage you can't mitigate and that you just get for wearing a set and a glyph.

Yes I'm fine with that considering so many other abilities and sets working together can make your light attacks hit harder than that, not to mentioning most basic weapon damage stacking builds can 2 or 3 shot you. When I PvP with my werewolf I consistently get 6-7k non-crit howls that shreds people, but I never see people complaining about that, no, they just want to whine about that little proc damage as if that's what lost them the fight. I wish when people made an outrage about something in ESO that it wasn't something so stupid, like for example, when the f**k are they changing the warden's spammy bird ability that cannot be dodged? Or the exploding stun bugs that have no tell (unless you like looking at people's feet 24/7).

Let's talk about the real s**t, instead of making proc damage that requires a 5p set to fully utlise seem like it's totally game-breaking, because it's not.

You know...this 3k unavoidable damage is oN TOP of everything you described? not instead of....
And all you've named can be blocked or shielded...but those 3k go directly at your HP, doesn't matter what you do...THAT'S the real problem.

Docmandu

Speaking of executes that got fixed... anyone ever notice that ALL spells/attacks seems to do more damage the lower a target is?! is that just a figment of my imagination, or is there really something to this?

Never did a duel to test this though... but often noticed my damage scaling the lower a target was (and that's on a warden, which has no execute... well none worth using in PvP)

Bladerunner1

Can someone that knows damage calculation explain how necropotence lets Magsorcs deal more DPS than a 5piece set that buffs spell damage? Aren't heavy + light attacks a big chunk of the overall damage? Spell damage should buff heavies 40x more than magicka.

Or are Necropotence Magsorcs sacrificing DPS to get a big damage shield?

bubbygink

Joy_Division wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what exactly is the nerf to sorcerers this poster is complaining about? Or is he complaining about the very minor lowering of one of the best armor sets in the game that is really strong for two other classes as well?

Pretty sure it is just the Necro nerf. This is definitely going into my top 3 forum rages. Think it currently stands at:

1. Guy raging that ZOS changed his inappropriate character name to "FancyKale."
2. Dude that threw a fit at the recent Prosperous changes because he actually liked the way it worked before and wouldn't listen to reason that Impen is actually mathematically better for farming gold anyway.
3. And now this guy for quitting because his max magicka is going to be 500 lower.

Twohothardware

shepardTHEweak wrote: »

give all classes implosion = balance solved..lol

Does Sorc's Implosion proc get buffed by this Execute change?

Destruent

Twohothardware wrote: »

shepardTHEweak wrote: »

give all classes implosion = balance solved..lol

Does Sorc's Implosion proc get buffed by this Execute change?

no...it only effects percentage based executes...

Elsterchen

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

Would be nice to have a fix so that Templars exclude, Jab's and Sweep scale correctly.

Yeah, it would be nice.
Anyways, I wouldn't hope for it. There have been many well writen suggestions for how templars could work, none of them have been taken into account. So I guess the eta is: if you are unhappy with your templar... roll a warden.

Derra

Joy_Division wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

Epicasballs wrote: »

I like the necro 5 piec change! Sorc DPS was way over the top compared to other classes and every sorc out there hitting the highest numbers were wearing Necropotence. With the changes to mundus, weapon traits and buffs to other gear sets it should bring them in line with other classes finally. Thank You, this magblade greatly appreciates the changes Can't wait for reactions from the sorc camp though haha.

YES, HA HA
Ur precious game is losing subs because of this, many ppl will quit, I know I did, company will go BANKRUPT, but still u will be around lol'ing ur way to the forums, to complain that there isn't anyone left to play
They just killed their own game, I advice all sorc players to quit this game asap, like I did, or at least cancel their subs.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is the nerf to sorcerers this poster is complaining about? Or is he complaining about the very minor lowering of one of the best armor sets in the game that is really strong for two other classes as well?

PvE petsorc as far as i understand it.

They´re somewhat reasonably angry.

Destruent

Elsterchen wrote: »

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

Would be nice to have a fix so that Templars exclude, Jab's and Sweep scale correctly.

Yeah, it would be nice.
Anyways, I wouldn't hope for it. There have been many well writen suggestions for how templars could work, none of them have been taken into account. So I guess the eta is: if you are unhappy with your templar... roll a warden.

magicka-warden is probably the only class with even lower DPS then the magicka-templar

Elsterchen

Destruent wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

Would be nice to have a fix so that Templars exclude, Jab's and Sweep scale correctly.

Yeah, it would be nice.
Anyways, I wouldn't hope for it. There have been many well writen suggestions for how templars could work, none of them have been taken into account. So I guess the eta is: if you are unhappy with your templar... roll a warden.

magicka-warden is probably the only class with even lower DPS then the magicka-templar

Oh yeah, right... sorry, stam-player, I usually forget about the magica side. Yet, I would enjoy correctly scaling abilities.

Twohothardware

Would be nice to see StamSorc get a Stam morphed Ultimate finally. It's the only Stamina class where you're forced to grind out Dawnbreaker before you get a physical damage Ult.

Destruent

Twohothardware wrote: »

Would be nice to see StamSorc get a Stam morphed Ultimate finally. It's the only Stamina class where you're forced to grind out Dawnbreaker before you get a physical damage Ult.

Sure...bc there are no wep-ults in this game

Twohothardware

Destruent wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Would be nice to see StamSorc get a Stam morphed Ultimate finally. It's the only Stamina class where you're forced to grind out Dawnbreaker before you get a physical damage Ult.

Sure...bc there are no wep-ults in this game

The weapon Ults are pretty lackluster for PvP which is why almost noone uses them other than the S&B one for defense. And all classes have access to weapon Ults. Sorc is the only class with no physical class Ult.

SirMewser

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

Necropotence 5-piece nerfed by 21.25%??

What is the math that justifies this? Or is it just a reaction to forum whining?

Not happy about this change at all.

The fact that every sorc and their mother is running the set? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thst's not an issue, ifact it probably helped the game as a whole by allowing low levels to make some solid money. So what now? Mother's sorrow? Alright, well that invigorates a gold farm, but creates a whole new pointless grind. Lost a set, gained a set, but no diversity increase, just more rng.

Buffing other sets to go sith the nerf however, gets people talking and makes thingd more interesting. Not a fan of this change.

Otherwise nice update.

Ps spinners/spriggans nerf was dumb, and sorta pointless. It made a nice casual friendly runner's up to those who cbs dealing with huge lag/rng. I feel that change hurt diversity and is more likely to push people to quit. If you feel the set is too strong, perhaps change of of the max stam buffs to recovery, still useful but doesn't directly affect dps.

Agreed, the extent of the nerf was by far an idiocracy on ZoS part.

If they didn't use metrics and started using logic, they wouldn't have done such a sloppy job to the point it pissed people off.

3.1k would have been more reasonable.
Same goes for some of the set changes.

ZoS you have people posting in the forums, sure some are bias but start using this place as a bloody source.
It's called a test server after all, I see no adjustments nor response to freedback to anything made prior to patch 3.1.0 (other than a bug fix Torug's Pact).