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The increasing numbers of the EP Faction.
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✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »
To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no
Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.
I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.
If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".
I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.
However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.
My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).
I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.
I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.
A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.
As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".
I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.
IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.
I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.
I believe capping groups at 16 is true for IVS, but drac will absolutely go past that, to say you don't is flat out bull ***, I have seen you at ash with 20+ people. You guys really need to let this group numbers obsession go.
There are IVS people in there but that's pretty clearly not a guild group. Am curious to know who you are now - there are only a couple of people I can think of who would actually surf through old footage to pull a screen grab just to try to dispute our claim that we run 16.
Probably AOE BBQ's 4th forum account lmao.
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✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »
To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no
Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.
I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.
If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".
I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.
However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.
My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).
I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.
I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.
A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.
As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".
I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.
IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.
I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.
I believe capping groups at 16 is true for IVS, but drac will absolutely go past that, to say you don't is flat out bull ***, I have seen you at ash with 20+ people. You guys really need to let this group numbers obsession go.
There are IVS people in there but that's pretty clearly not a guild group. Am curious to know who you are now - there are only a couple of people I can think of who would actually surf through old footage to pull a screen grab just to try to dispute our claim that we run 16.
Lol looking at that screenshot, I think that was my emp group 34.7k HP @ 90% HP it shows for me. Only time I can think of that we had Whatta in a group on EP with us (FWB is him). In that case, hell yeah I called in people from Fair Weather Friends. Most of them play small scale, but we always band together to defend a friend's emp, no matter what faction!Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »
To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no
Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.
I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.
If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".
I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.
However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.
My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).
I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.
I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.
A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.
As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".
I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.
IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.
I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.
I believe capping groups at 16 is true for IVS, but drac will absolutely go past that, to say you don't is flat out bull ***, I have seen you at ash with 20+ people. You guys really need to let this group numbers obsession go.
There are IVS people in there but that's pretty clearly not a guild group. Am curious to know who you are now - there are only a couple of people I can think of who would actually surf through old footage to pull a screen grab just to try to dispute our claim that we run 16.
Probably AOE BBQ's 4th forum account lmao.
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Arashiha✭✭✭Well, this is all quite a mess considering the original post. Perhaps some of you should make use of the very helpful systems embedded in the games and the forums that allow you to block and ignore unwanted posts and messages. Seeing as so many of you seem to take an issue with unpleasant messages sent between parties.
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Humphie✭✭✭✭✭Well, this is all quite a mess considering the original post. Perhaps some of you should make use of the very helpful systems embedded in the games and the forums that allow you to block and ignore unwanted posts and messages. Seeing as so many of you seem to take an issue with unpleasant messages sent between parties.
Also, G'day Elongo, hows it going ya kiwi. :P
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Nivellan✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »
To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no
Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.
I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.
If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".
I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.
However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.
My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).
I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.
I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.
A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.
As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".
I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.
IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.
I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.
I believe capping groups at 16 is true for IVS, but drac will absolutely go past that, to say you don't is flat out bull ***, I have seen you at ash with 20+ people. You guys really need to let this group numbers obsession go.
There are IVS people in there but that's pretty clearly not a guild group. Am curious to know who you are now - there are only a couple of people I can think of who would actually surf through old footage to pull a screen grab just to try to dispute our claim that we run 16.
Lol looking at that screenshot, I think that was my emp group 34.7k HP @ 90% HP it shows for me. Only time I can think of that we had Whatta in a group on EP with us (FWB is him). In that case, hell yeah I called in people from Fair Weather Friends. Most of them play small scale, but we always band together to defend a friend's emp, no matter what faction!
So you don't cap at 16?PC NA
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✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »
To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no
Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.
I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.
If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".
I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.
However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.
My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).
I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.
I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.
A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.
As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".
I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.
IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.
I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.
I believe capping groups at 16 is true for IVS, but drac will absolutely go past that, to say you don't is flat out bull ***, I have seen you at ash with 20+ people. You guys really need to let this group numbers obsession go.
There are IVS people in there but that's pretty clearly not a guild group. Am curious to know who you are now - there are only a couple of people I can think of who would actually surf through old footage to pull a screen grab just to try to dispute our claim that we run 16.
Lol looking at that screenshot, I think that was my emp group 34.7k HP @ 90% HP it shows for me. Only time I can think of that we had Whatta in a group on EP with us (FWB is him). In that case, hell yeah I called in people from Fair Weather Friends. Most of them play small scale, but we always band together to defend a friend's emp, no matter what faction!
So you don't cap at 16?
Why are you so salty toward IVS? You know our roster well enough to know half the people in that screen grab aren't even in our guild.Invictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Psilent✭✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »
To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no
Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.
I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.
If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".
I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.
However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.
My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).
I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.
I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.
A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.
As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".
I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.
IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.
I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.
I believe capping groups at 16 is true for IVS, but drac will absolutely go past that, to say you don't is flat out bull ***, I have seen you at ash with 20+ people. You guys really need to let this group numbers obsession go.
There are IVS people in there but that's pretty clearly not a guild group. Am curious to know who you are now - there are only a couple of people I can think of who would actually surf through old footage to pull a screen grab just to try to dispute our claim that we run 16.
Lol looking at that screenshot, I think that was my emp group 34.7k HP @ 90% HP it shows for me. Only time I can think of that we had Whatta in a group on EP with us (FWB is him). In that case, hell yeah I called in people from Fair Weather Friends. Most of them play small scale, but we always band together to defend a friend's emp, no matter what faction!
So you don't cap at 16?
A more precise definition would be that we cap raid night groups at 16. Any time it's a non-raid night it's up to the person leading to decide on group cap.
Looking at the photo, the only time NA-TF was No-CP was near the end of February. Due to the nature of that event the council agreed to suspend the raid night cap due to the popularity of double AP. We wanted our members to have fun in TS and enjoy the extra AP.1 -
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Come GVG us if you feel so confident against us (we offered it many times!) and we will see who will fail
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Vehemence is the best guild to EVER play this game, according to Vehemence.
Surely, the best guild to ever do it wouldn't turn down a challenge....
Where can I buy my tickets?
lmao.
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emma666✭✭✭✭✭Toms in that screenshot, I miss Tom.
A few VE people bagged me last night after they wiped us, I feel respected.
That just means they care enough about you to spend time on you.
#JustVEthings
Come GVG us if you feel so confident against us (we offered it many times!) and we will see who will fail
Careful: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/275720/3-factions-3competitive-cycle-wins-2-5years-1guild#latest
Vehemence is the best guild to EVER play this game, according to Vehemence.
Surely, the best guild to ever do it wouldn't turn down a challenge....
Where can I buy my tickets?
I choose to believe that thread is troll and nothing more...
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✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »
To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no
Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.
I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.
If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".
I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.
However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.
My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).
I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.
I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.
A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.
As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".
I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.
IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.
I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.
I believe capping groups at 16 is true for IVS, but drac will absolutely go past that, to say you don't is flat out bull ***, I have seen you at ash with 20+ people. You guys really need to let this group numbers obsession go.
There are IVS people in there but that's pretty clearly not a guild group. Am curious to know who you are now - there are only a couple of people I can think of who would actually surf through old footage to pull a screen grab just to try to dispute our claim that we run 16.
Lol looking at that screenshot, I think that was my emp group 34.7k HP @ 90% HP it shows for me. Only time I can think of that we had Whatta in a group on EP with us (FWB is him). In that case, hell yeah I called in people from Fair Weather Friends. Most of them play small scale, but we always band together to defend a friend's emp, no matter what faction!
So you don't cap at 16?
My guildies have already explained to you (:
My last emp was in double AP week. We had no official raids, it was moreso a FwF group that I had been leading all day and when Clerod logged on I asked him to lead because there was so many AD and DC on (because event, remember?). It was double AP, everyone wanted to play, and I was emp (sorry, but I enjoy my friends). We don't even have more than 16 online in Invictus most of the time. We have a cap. It's 16. Double AP week + Bee emp = we just played with everyone who wanted to play. Now what's your problem?Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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