The increasing numbers of the EP Faction.

Kilandros

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Honestly one of the things EP really has going for it right now is that we have people who pick up pugs from zone and play objectives and play objectives daily. If those pugs are new to pvp it gives them a starting point from which they can begin to get more serious about PvP. I dunno if AD still has people running pug groups--I know they used to. Those groups aren't out making sick gameplay videos, and sometimes they're getting farmed, but they do help keep your faction in the plus margin for scoring purposes.

AD has some guild that picks up pugs but the problem with wrangling pugs is they can be more of a liability then a help most times . Wearing non group meta builds and wandering off in fights . Not to mention they are vicious death piñatas ! We will figure it out in AD with educating those wishing to learn the right way and not just zerging the next closest objective . It will just take time since we had so many leave .

Sure, but many (if not most of us, I know I did) started off as zone pugs. It's a starting point. But if a faction doesn't have a place for new players then it basically becomes impossible to replenish the natural attrition of players. Big props to people like Attunes who will pick new players up and show them the ropes. Not too long ago Bee was running an AM guild that wrangled zone pugs and led them around. It's tough but every faction needs to be doing it.

Actually I think VE has been training a lot of new people recently too. Props to them. A lot of guilds don't have the patience for that. But that doesn't change the fact that it has to happen.

Baconlad

First of all, when theres a generic thread about cyrodil politics...its implied that the thread is about VIVEC...you know, where the real kids play. I know you all like to think that playing in no cp somehow makes you a better player...but it doesnt, im sorry you No CP players just like to get easy kills while surfing the zerg. Its a lot harder to be 1vXed in No CP...we get it

Second EP is the best faction by far. Biggest reason is simple, we have absolutely amazing zone leadership, these dudes are outright encouraging. They dont blast EP when were down, they lead the clueless pug nation to victory with awesome callouts and sacrifices. (By sacrifices i mean they and a small team will horse simulator deep into enemy territory to flag a back enemy keep, while leading the rest of pugs to take a ring keep, then they'll do it again and again, sacrificing the primal desire to surf a zerg for easy AP). Unlike a certain AD small man who continuously takes arrius mine...not trying to take the keep...

Third, nords

Shoutout to EP leadership. All the scrubs have been pushed away and sent to AD. Yall can keep em

Publius_Scipio

Hello! Helloooo!!! Hello? Sneaky Pickle! I seek an audience with you! Sneaky? Hello!?

DisgracefulMind

Kilandros wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Honestly one of the things EP really has going for it right now is that we have people who pick up pugs from zone and play objectives and play objectives daily. If those pugs are new to pvp it gives them a starting point from which they can begin to get more serious about PvP. I dunno if AD still has people running pug groups--I know they used to. Those groups aren't out making sick gameplay videos, and sometimes they're getting farmed, but they do help keep your faction in the plus margin for scoring purposes.

AD has some guild that picks up pugs but the problem with wrangling pugs is they can be more of a liability then a help most times . Wearing non group meta builds and wandering off in fights . Not to mention they are vicious death piñatas ! We will figure it out in AD with educating those wishing to learn the right way and not just zerging the next closest objective . It will just take time since we had so many leave .

Sure, but many (if not most of us, I know I did) started off as zone pugs. It's a starting point. But if a faction doesn't have a place for new players then it basically becomes impossible to replenish the natural attrition of players. Big props to people like Attunes who will pick new players up and show them the ropes. Not too long ago Bee was running an AM guild that wrangled zone pugs and led them around. It's tough but every faction needs to be doing it.

Actually I think VE has been training a lot of new people recently too. Props to them. A lot of guilds don't have the patience for that. But that doesn't change the fact that it has to happen.

You're still a zone pug.

Ghostbane

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Honestly one of the things EP really has going for it right now is that we have people who pick up pugs from zone and play objectives and play objectives daily. If those pugs are new to pvp it gives them a starting point from which they can begin to get more serious about PvP. I dunno if AD still has people running pug groups--I know they used to. Those groups aren't out making sick gameplay videos, and sometimes they're getting farmed, but they do help keep your faction in the plus margin for scoring purposes.

AD has some guild that picks up pugs but the problem with wrangling pugs is they can be more of a liability then a help most times . Wearing non group meta builds and wandering off in fights . Not to mention they are vicious death piñatas ! We will figure it out in AD with educating those wishing to learn the right way and not just zerging the next closest objective . It will just take time since we had so many leave .

Sure, but many (if not most of us, I know I did) started off as zone pugs. It's a starting point. But if a faction doesn't have a place for new players then it basically becomes impossible to replenish the natural attrition of players. Big props to people like Attunes who will pick new players up and show them the ropes. Not too long ago Bee was running an AM guild that wrangled zone pugs and led them around. It's tough but every faction needs to be doing it.

Actually I think VE has been training a lot of new people recently too. Props to them. A lot of guilds don't have the patience for that. But that doesn't change the fact that it has to happen.

You're still a zone pug.

And always will be.

biminirwb17_ESO

Funny that EP is supposed to be so good yet Chalman is Blue 80% of the time. I guess its a long ride there

Akinos

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

Funny that EP is supposed to be so good yet Chalman is Blue 80% of the time, but it takes 80% of our faction to make it Blue. I guess its a long ride there

I fixed that sentence for you.

ellahellabella

Akinos wrote: »

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

Funny that EP is supposed to be so good yet Chalman is Blue 80% of the time, but it takes 80% of our faction to make it Blue. I guess its a long ride there

I fixed that sentence for you.

It's funny coz it's true

Takes 80% of dc to take and 80% of ep's time to keep. No wonder Ash is yellow more than it is blue.

SwampRaider

I recently had to start a scouting network on Vivec. AD/EP hardly ninjas DC keeps anymore when im online.

Kicker cost: I get no AP

Publius_Scipio

Fun fact: Eros ^ was part of the Chalamo battle of legend. He was on the elf team serving the elf king Atropos.

SwampRaider

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Fun fact: Eros ^ was part of the Chalamo battle of legend. He was on the elf team serving the elf king Atropos.

Phazius will always be my real king. who hath betrayed me and plays *shudder* WoW

ellahellabella

SwampRaider wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Fun fact: Eros ^ was part of the Chalamo battle of legend. He was on the elf team serving the elf king Atropos.

Phazius will always be my real king. who hath betrayed me and plays *shudder* WoW

To worship one that dwells in the realm of WoW is to worship death. You should find a new idol

Soul_Demon

Satiar wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Vincelex wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Yeah I dunno what's going on with DC and AD. It's like the factions forgotten how to play. I logged on at prime time and watched 50+ EP clowncar the scroll while ALSO taking Roebeck from AD. Like, wtf is that?

I was one driving the clowncar, confirmed 50+ EP

There definitely wasn't three 24 man DC raid guilds at Chalman last night either, was there?

TBH DC is fine, EP is fine, it's AD that needs organized guilds atm.

My point was EP had multiple guilds online pushing scrolls while ALSO pushing AD home keeps at Primetime. Like, damn. Yeah, DC brought a lot to Chalman later that night. That's a far cry from pushing EP to the gates while also storming Alessia.

EP simply has more players and more competent guilds playing at more time slots. I dunno how else to put it.

Might be just 'alliance specific goggles' but not what I see from EP perspective most nights.....massive DC masses on one side, with equally massive AD groups on the other with say two guilds running between the two desperately trying to hold the line. Of course the AP feeder mass is around on EP, but really just stand around light attacking from walls and watching the battles waiting to be dropped.

QuebraRegra

I HATE it when friends make EP characters then want to play campaign!!!!!!

must I buy everybody a any race any faction pack so we can all be DC?

Rin_Senya

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

Satiar

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

Unless it's BRK then it can be lost by some EP hiding inside and recapping whilst DC repair the doors XD

But in general I agree stacking 3 raids inside a keep makes it difficult to take without similar numbers. However its also why generally the map becomes less blue because the rest is undefended.

Satiar

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

Unless it's BRK then it can be lost by some EP hiding inside and recapping whilst DC repair the doors XD

Eh, we didn't really have a choice. Once keep was done and repaired it was go or lose the race on the other side of the map. As it turned out stuff flipped anyways before we had a chance to go anywhere, so ended up being a moot point.

If only EP showed the same effort when AD lazily caps their emps.

Rin_Senya

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no

Satiar

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no

Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.

I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.

Rin_Senya

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no

Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.

I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.

If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".

I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.

However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.

My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs. Compared to when I'm fighting 40-60 pugs. The pugs can be excused for doing this but the guilds claiming victory, and often that their opponents suck at defending, when the only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / smaller groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).

Satiar

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no

Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.

I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.

If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".

I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.

However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.

My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).

I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.

More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.

You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people". I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no

Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.

I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.

If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".

I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.

However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.

My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).

I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.

I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.

Satiar wrote: »

More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.

A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.

As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.

Satiar wrote: »

You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".

I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.

Satiar wrote: »

I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.

IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.


I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.

ataggs

EP queue tonight +100, DC wait 30 seconds

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

ataggs wrote: »

EP queue tonight +100, DC wait 30 seconds

Q number is total numbers queuing across all factions at that time. Quite often the EP q will pop with 60+ left in the queue as I'm sure other factions do too.

ataggs

Perhaps this happens and i didn't wait in the EP queue to know, but still a significant queue compared to none. Not sure how many deep AD is running tonight.

Satiar

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

To be fair the only time NA DC can actually take Chalman is when they literally stack 3-4 guilds there with all DC pugs lol xD or by PVDooring it...

To be fair, we only lose it in exactly the same fashion.

To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no

Ah right. EP doesn't zerg. It's just those dastardly DC and AD.

I don't know if your ego is just that big or if your eyes have failed you, but either way some introspection may be required.

If you re-read my post you will see that I've never said that EP doesn't zerg, in fact in the past posts (on Dracarys thread) I've said exactly that "All players zerg with their factions (some occasionally some more often)".

I'm simply responding to the fact that someone commented that EP lose Chalman all the time. The only reason EP loses Chalman is because DC guilds faction stack their full 24m+ raids together to take it instead of these guilds spreading out over the map to push different objectives and fight their own fights.

However it’s really interesting to see that as soon as someone mentions certain guilds, which are always faction stacking, players in those guilds hide behind the "everyone zergs" tag.

My eyes can see perfectly well when I'm zerged down by 24-40 people in a coordinated raid stacking with a second coordinated raid and pugs compared to when i'm fighting 40 pugs. The pugs have no excuse but the guilds claiming victory and that their opponents suck at defending when there only way a keep can be taken is via PVD or an entire faction stack vs generally some pugs / small groups definately has some "introspection" to do (I'm talking about all factions, not only DC).

I read your post quite closely. You quite clearly stated DC needs to raid stack to take Chalman but EP doesn't. Then started waxing on about how many numbers people run. It's some nonsense and I really expect better from long time players.

I'd be interested for you to quote the part from Anairi's post in which she says anything about EP not stacking to take back Chal at times.

Here ya go: " To be fair the only guild on EP side that occasionally runs 24m is Pact Militia whereas DC generally needs BOD and VE full groups (+overflows) stacked with AK and Pug guild + zone pugs, so it's not the same fashion, no "

Satiar wrote: »

More to the original point, EP pretty much PvEdoors Chalman to take it back. During primetime I'd say a solid 90% of the time. I know this because I'm usually the group at Roebeck seeing Chal flag 20/20 and arriving justtttt in time to see the front door goes up. DC doesn't know how to scout or defend keeps. 'Tis what it is. Hard to take and then instantly forgotten about.

A full VE raid had absolutely no qualms about sitting in Chalman with BoD, AK and Pugs the entire night not so long ago (to the detriment of the rest of the DC map) so your comment that you are normally at Roe is a little cynical.

I did say 90% of the time. Cuz it's true. I occasionally get to defend it, and when that's the case I rarely lose it unless it's stacked guilds. Suspiciously similar to what was said earlier but hey, stranger things.

And map control is often a gamble. Is EP going to storm Bleakers/Aleswell/Dragonclaw the moment they see VE is in the south? Probably. If I push EP will AD push Ash? Probably. If I keep enough pressure on Chalman, will AD be enticed to push up to Sej/BRK? Sometimes. Really, being on DC it's just a question of "what do I want to lose" cuz AD really doesn't like fighting EP and EP really doesnt have interest pushing past Alessia.

As you have mentioned in the past you aren't in control of what the raid does when you don't lead, thats fair enough but it doesn't change what the raid you play in is doing or when your players will tbag, /cheer and rage whisper after zerging down a 14m group being 24+overflow.

We both have people in our guilds who are quite passionate. If you want logs of rage whispers, I've got some seriously nasty stuff from your crew. Let he that is without sin, or so the saying goes. You tend to reap what you sow. VE is not perfect by any means but we've worked to silence or remove our bad actors and constantly tell our players to respect the opposition. Whether you knew it or not, you picked up some of PC NA's saltiest in your guild, some of whom have been going at us since the second we broke alliance and went DC. Not your fault I suppose, but yeah, that'll cause friction.

Satiar wrote: »

You might also want to brush up on your DC groups. AD and EP are the only factions actually capable of bringing multiple stacked groups to an engagement. I can't even remember the last time I had a full raid online at the same time as BoD, most of the time I'm asking what they've got and I hear "9 people".

I suggest you turn character nameplates and alliance indicators to always on. BoD is generally at least twice that size when VE is running a full raid. Also having 23 people doesn't negate the 'full group' argument.

I'm not shy about running a full group but I'm serious about BoD. I dunno what happened to them but they don't run big as they used to at all. Nameplates and alliance indicators is always turned on, it's very handy to look over our footage and see 17+ people in a "16 man capped group".

As I've said before, I really don't care about group size. You get the fights you get and I fight them if I'm favored to win or not. My team doesn't always like it but I do not run from fights, not unless they're literally unwinnable. If you want to obsess over numbers, fine. You join a long, proud tradition of EP guilds that do exactly that. Running small to mid size is a comfortable, safe place to be. Big enough with enough firepower to wipe out a larger group if you get a good hit in, small enough that you can pull the Outnumbered card whenever you lose. Whatever. It's been 2 years of this from EP, it's beyond old.

Satiar wrote: »

I've seen Invictus, Drac and PM all on at the same time, 3 organized groups that can comfortably stomp on most of the groups they'll encounter IN ADDITION to a PR raid + pugs nearby. That's alot more than DC can bring forward at any one time, which is why I double take at your "DC faction stacking 24 man raids" bit.

IVS and Drac only run 16 max and PM hasn't had a raid over 24 in a long time (to my knowledge). Generally if IVS or Drac is present somewhere the other guild goes in the opposite direction because it should be enough to achieve anything required just having one guild there. I can't say this is the same for DC.
Sure there are times when I see both raids in one place too. Generally because the entirety of DC is at that location to begin with and has been for some time and the other EP raid goes there to finish the fight because the lag is unbearable for the rest of the map.

I find that to be mostly nonsense. EP moves around in a giant blob. I regularly get on to find 3 guilds stacked inside Aleswell, and ALL THREE come to Bleakers and ALL THREE come to Chalman and ALL THREE come to Arius and ALL THREE come to Dragonclaw. It's an almost foolproof method of getting Aleswell back, just go literally anywhere else and EP will horde there, small man, "16 man capped groups" and full raids alike. Or it would be foolproof, if there was another guild that consistently had the numbers online to take things when another guild pushes.

DC has up times and down times, but in terms of groups that are regularly on the map and have the numbers to push? It's a serious down cycle. Saramis doesn't run the numbers he used to as often as he used to. I wish he did.

I've been impressed by VE occasionally going to Sej / BRK whilst chal is red recently but until your standard procedure is to separate from the rest of your guilds in a similar way as the other factions do I can't be won over sorry.

Ah well, my apologies. I wasn't aware my goal was winning you over. Personally, I've never found taking an outpost and farming there to be a particularly stunning accomplishment but I suppose we can have our own opinions.

Elong

Everyone zergs

VE recruiting from zone chat is a new one though

Rohamad_Ali

Satiar

Elong wrote: »

Everyone zergs

VE recruiting from zone chat is a new one though

We've always recruited from zone chat. If you confine your candidates to established players, you condense all talent into one guild and no one new gets trained.

This happened to EP In the not too distant past. Until the infusion of rerolls it looked pretty grim. The best players only played with the best players and got smaller and smaller.