The increasing numbers of the EP Faction.

Telel

Nivellan wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Yeah I dunno what's going on with DC and AD. It's like the factions forgotten how to play. I logged on at prime time and watched 50+ EP clowncar the scroll while ALSO taking Roebeck from AD. Like, wtf is that?

AD guilds avoid fighting as much as possible that I have seen. They'll take and defend Drakelowe while alessia and roe are being sieged. Or if we don't have those keeps they'll try and take BRK/Ash while Fare is being pushed. Fantasia is the main one you can expect to be where they need to be, but their groups are smallish lately and I don't see them run as much as they used to. You know it's bad when there's 2+ guilds on but only a few pugs show up to defend emp circle keeps.

We don't avoid fighting. We just avoid the bridge, and its overabundance of AP mules.

AP mules who claim to not have any EP toons but will later be seen amidst the griff hordes when AD inveitably DOES begin to push keeps despite being out numbered.

Also this one has had a rough few weeks and needed to cut down on their gaming time. They even got a doctor's note so they could be excused, and not get written up for not having a LOL pass.

Satiar

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Vincelex wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Yeah I dunno what's going on with DC and AD. It's like the factions forgotten how to play. I logged on at prime time and watched 50+ EP clowncar the scroll while ALSO taking Roebeck from AD. Like, wtf is that?

I was one driving the clowncar, confirmed 50+ EP

There definitely wasn't three 24 man DC raid guilds at Chalman last night either, was there?

TBH DC is fine, EP is fine, it's AD that needs organized guilds atm.

My point was EP had multiple guilds online pushing scrolls while ALSO pushing AD home keeps at Primetime. Like, damn. Yeah, DC brought a lot to Chalman later that night. That's a far cry from pushing EP to the gates while also storming Alessia.

EP simply has more players and more competent guilds playing at more time slots. I dunno how else to put it.

DisgracefulMind

Satiar wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Vincelex wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Yeah I dunno what's going on with DC and AD. It's like the factions forgotten how to play. I logged on at prime time and watched 50+ EP clowncar the scroll while ALSO taking Roebeck from AD. Like, wtf is that?

I was one driving the clowncar, confirmed 50+ EP

There definitely wasn't three 24 man DC raid guilds at Chalman last night either, was there?

TBH DC is fine, EP is fine, it's AD that needs organized guilds atm.

My point was EP had multiple guilds online pushing scrolls while ALSO pushing AD home keeps at Primetime. Like, damn. Yeah, DC brought a lot to Chalman later that night. That's a far cry from pushing EP to the gates while also storming Alessia.

EP simply has more players and more competent guilds playing at more time slots. I dunno how else to put it.

Not arguing EP has a good force right now, they do. But I'm also not going to sit here and say that DC doesn't also have a good force as well. It is what it is, but I feel mostly bad for AD, though they did bring like 40 to Drakelowe last night (2 guilds there with pugs ofc), so I'm honestly not sure what their guilds are doing when their keeps are getting wrecked.

Agrippa_Invisus

To be fair, anyone that feels the need to reroll to help with organizational issues (and it really is mostly organizational issues), should consider spending time on AD right now.

They're fairly close in numbers, but really seem to be all over the place. Occasionally they all get going in the same direction and zerg a keep or three down, but it really feels like they're just not with it at the moment.

That said -- they have made great strides in shrinking the Vivec NA PC scoreboard down greatly, so good job to AD for that. It's good to see some of them working hard to correct the faults and be opportunistic while DC and EP trade punches with each other during prime time.

At the same time I say that, it's pretty inconsistent. There are days where they can be barely bothered to shoehorn themselves off the bridge or out of Sejanus if they happened to grab it, while missing half their home keeps. And yes, to my AD colleagues out there, us EP that care about the map loathe the bridge as much as you guys tend to. It's a manpower vortex that sucks EP up to the front door of Alessia and then murders them.

I want to see AD as much of a threat to EP and DC as they are to each other. That's what makes a good three way realm war fun and intense.

bmannb16_ESO

SwampRaider wrote: »

There's been this trend that I have seen the past few months, My friends list of DC mains playing EP characters more, some people switching over to EP in cyrodiil, whole guilds making the move to EP.

I wonder why that is the case, because with the competitive nature of ESO, wouldn't the smart thing to do be to stay AD or DC and fight EP, since EP has the organization and the numbers?

I recently returned to ESO after being in another game for 3 years and a lot has changed. This was just one of those observations.

My take on the sides

AD: Played AD since beta, its nothing but salt and cancer. Well there are some good groups and solos but chat is brutal, makes me grumpy.

DC: I find bomb/bird spammer guilds in DC Zergy as hell and lag inducing, 30 percent of their kills happen because people either lag out or crash altogether. Completely unsportsmanlike, not that I should expect any difference in a video game. But that's why I won't play DC.

EP: Recently started EP and found the zone more friendly, and people working together. Having a blast, will likely stay awhile.

zergbase_ESO

Temptation to Reroll EP is there. Highly there. Just leveling and farming all those skill points is what kills it for me. I may just bite the bullet.

SwampRaider

bmannb16_ESO wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

There's been this trend that I have seen the past few months, My friends list of DC mains playing EP characters more, some people switching over to EP in cyrodiil, whole guilds making the move to EP.

I wonder why that is the case, because with the competitive nature of ESO, wouldn't the smart thing to do be to stay AD or DC and fight EP, since EP has the organization and the numbers?

I recently returned to ESO after being in another game for 3 years and a lot has changed. This was just one of those observations.

My take on the sides

AD: Played AD since beta, its nothing but salt and cancer. Well there are some good groups and solos but chat is brutal, makes me grumpy.

DC: I find bomb/bird spammer guilds in DC Zergy as hell and lag inducing, 30 percent of their kills happen because people either lag out or crash altogether. Completely unsportsmanlike, not that I should expect any difference in a video game. But that's why I won't play DC.

EP: Recently started EP and found the zone more friendly, and people working together. Having a blast, will likely stay awhile.

There are more Bomb/ult spamming guilds on EP side..because there are more EP. I only know 1 ult/bomb/bird spamming guild on DC, and it is the one i'm in(At least on Vivec). Nothings wrong with effectively playing the meta. EP does it more than we do.

stephbay123

Issue may be having the best magika class in ep. Magika is now the easiest ways to play and win so when you start you search for the best magika race and choose that.

I wanted to roll a dark elf but didn't realise i couldn't on dc so changed to Breton. Also didn't realise you could pay to open these races to all factions but why should I pay more for this? Not a great way to even out the factions.

This could be a big part- people thinking they must choose ep to have what is considered the best magika race and in turn the easiest way to play.

Vilestride

NACtron wrote: »

I have talked to a guild this week (which I will not name) and a few players that has considered moving over to EP. Their reasons are:
1. EP has a very non toxic community in comparison to other factions. We have our fair share of trolls but we have noticably better environment in zone.
2. Low Morale due to campaign loss. (I personally think they just need to not focus on map control so much, let campaign scoring go a bit.)
3. The momentum is with EP. We have two wins in a row under our belt with a solid list of guilds from the casual to the organized to the elite.


In my opinion players and guilds should NOT join EP cause:
1. EP's que is awful. Absolutely awful on vivec. The average que is 50-80 on a weeknight since Morrowind. I'm hoping players will leave ep or join other campaigns for this reason.
2. The other factions (In particular AD) need help on Vivec. Desperately. Grow where you are planted. If you want to be EP help make your faction more like it.
3. There is little room for growth. EP has so many guilds jf you are looking to recruit new players you will find a few but there are already two guilds on average a night recruiting daily in zone chat and more organized guilds like mine (Pact Militia) Drac and Invictus. There is also little room to find good fights without running into one of us.

This is a good analysis. Though I would agree with the consensus any full guild re-rolls should be going to AD atm.

aegisfire1975

EP is mostly kids and they are out of school right now, so they are able to play all the time. The factions numbers will dwindle come September. Also I do think a lot of DC went to EP so they can participate in the alessia/sejanus noob farm without having to travel so far to get to it.

Nightenhowl

yep more enemy players.

Borelock762

Minno wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

DC could be more organized on vivec, the main issue is most of DC has a "Play how you want" mentality, yet they wonder why they get destroyed by destro ult/bombs.

Growing pains to be honest, hopefully they recognize that. But people get ragey when you tell them how to play the game to win...

But yea, I started this thread as just a general observation and was so curious as to why this was going on. I am just so used to Faction locked campaigns since last time i played, you could only have characters of 1 faction per campaign.

It's weird seeing people on your friends list alternate and run with different groups on the same campaign, when you clearly want 1 side to win.

I'd tell you to grab some of the DC guilds from Sotha Sil NA PC but then I read that you want actual good players, not trash zerglings.

You could whisper CN's lead but something tells me you're gonna have a bad time lol.

CN will never play in cp campaign, at least until its not a broken goldmine for exploits.

Akinos

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

They are multiplying at increasing rates!

Hey, not our fault we're the classy faction. :-)

Argonian mating is classy? Laying 20-35 eggs in the mud of river banks until they hatch is classy? Is Lucious Lily classy? Is Elong Trumpetbar's high elf prostitute fetish classy? Is the Skald King burping and farting at the dinner table classy?

You know all about being classy, eh? No wonder people reroll to EP, having to read zone chat like that.

Nihilos

I mained AD for two years before I decided it was time for a change, so I decided to reroll to DC a little over a year ago. Upon doing so, I was greeted with a chorus of hate tells from people telling me to "stop spying", telling me I was not welcome, "banning" me from playing DC, and to gtfo and go back to AD. So I rerolled EP instead, and other than a certain healer of the deadly variety trying to bully me out, I was welcomed with open arms. I've met some of my closest game friends since coming to EP.

My point is, the community on EP is so much better and I don't see myself maining another faction, ever. I don't blame people for wanting to roll to EP.

Elong

Akinos wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

They are multiplying at increasing rates!

Hey, not our fault we're the classy faction. :-)

Argonian mating is classy? Laying 20-35 eggs in the mud of river banks until they hatch is classy? Is Lucious Lily classy? Is Elong Trumpetbar's high elf prostitute fetish classy? Is the Skald King burping and farting at the dinner table classy?

You know all about being classy, eh? No wonder people reroll to EP, having to read zone chat like that.

Invig drain kb LOL.

DisgracefulMind

Nihilos wrote: »

I mained AD for two years before I decided it was time for a change, so I decided to reroll to DC a little over a year ago. Upon doing so, I was greeted with a chorus of hate tells from people telling me to "stop spying", telling me I was not welcome, "banning" me from playing DC, and to gtfo and go back to AD. So I rerolled EP instead, and other than a certain healer of the deadly variety trying to bully me out, I was welcomed with open arms. I've met some of my closest game friends since coming to EP.

My point is, the community on EP is so much better and I don't see myself maining another faction, ever. I don't blame people for wanting to roll to EP.

So much this. Have had a similar experience. Played DC for a VERY long time. Was getting really tired of the high toxic levels in chat and the abuse between people in the same alliance. After some pretty bad harassment towards me, I decided to swap factions. I wanted to main AD, played my Templar there until I was almost AR21, received similar harassment in AD, tried to go back to DC, played Azura's for awhile, emped there, tried to get back into the DC faction "lifestyle", but after having people in my own faction openly be abusive in zone chat, I logged on my EP, dethroned myself, and have never gone back. Have met some amazing people on EP that I love so very much. EP has been amazing, and the people in this faction on PC/NA are what keep me playing ESO.

EDIT: Best dethrone ever (Despair is my DC sorc):

bmannb16_ESO

SwampRaider wrote: »

bmannb16_ESO wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

There's been this trend that I have seen the past few months, My friends list of DC mains playing EP characters more, some people switching over to EP in cyrodiil, whole guilds making the move to EP.

I wonder why that is the case, because with the competitive nature of ESO, wouldn't the smart thing to do be to stay AD or DC and fight EP, since EP has the organization and the numbers?

I recently returned to ESO after being in another game for 3 years and a lot has changed. This was just one of those observations.

My take on the sides

AD: Played AD since beta, its nothing but salt and cancer. Well there are some good groups and solos but chat is brutal, makes me grumpy.

DC: I find bomb/bird spammer guilds in DC Zergy as hell and lag inducing, 30 percent of their kills happen because people either lag out or crash altogether. Completely unsportsmanlike, not that I should expect any difference in a video game. But that's why I won't play DC.

EP: Recently started EP and found the zone more friendly, and people working together. Having a blast, will likely stay awhile.

There are more Bomb/ult spamming guilds on EP side..because there are more EP. I only know 1 ult/bomb/bird spamming guild on DC, and it is the one i'm in(At least on Vivec). Nothings wrong with effectively playing the meta. EP does it more than we do.

I'll agree small scale bomber are numerous on EP side, but rarely does anyone stack your numbers and cause even close to the lag your ticking. I have no problem with playing the meta, it's expected and almost required in this game. But unfortunately the servers can't handle full raids stacking the meta. Makes for poor game play on the receiving side.

Texas

bmannb16_ESO wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

bmannb16_ESO wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

There's been this trend that I have seen the past few months, My friends list of DC mains playing EP characters more, some people switching over to EP in cyrodiil, whole guilds making the move to EP.

I wonder why that is the case, because with the competitive nature of ESO, wouldn't the smart thing to do be to stay AD or DC and fight EP, since EP has the organization and the numbers?

I recently returned to ESO after being in another game for 3 years and a lot has changed. This was just one of those observations.

My take on the sides

AD: Played AD since beta, its nothing but salt and cancer. Well there are some good groups and solos but chat is brutal, makes me grumpy.

DC: I find bomb/bird spammer guilds in DC Zergy as hell and lag inducing, 30 percent of their kills happen because people either lag out or crash altogether. Completely unsportsmanlike, not that I should expect any difference in a video game. But that's why I won't play DC.

EP: Recently started EP and found the zone more friendly, and people working together. Having a blast, will likely stay awhile.

There are more Bomb/ult spamming guilds on EP side..because there are more EP. I only know 1 ult/bomb/bird spamming guild on DC, and it is the one i'm in(At least on Vivec). Nothings wrong with effectively playing the meta. EP does it more than we do.

I'll agree small scale bomber are numerous on EP side, but rarely does anyone stack your numbers and cause even close to the lag your ticking. I have no problem with playing the meta, it's expected and almost required in this game. But unfortunately the servers can't handle full raids stacking the meta. Makes for poor game play on the receiving side.

3 years ago called and they want their post back!

Publius_Scipio

Akinos wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

They are multiplying at increasing rates!

Hey, not our fault we're the classy faction. :-)

Argonian mating is classy? Laying 20-35 eggs in the mud of river banks until they hatch is classy? Is Lucious Lily classy? Is Elong Trumpetbar's high elf prostitute fetish classy? Is the Skald King burping and farting at the dinner table classy?

You know all about being classy, eh? No wonder people reroll to EP, having to read zone chat like that.

I don't post anything in chat I would mind anyone seeing.

Edit: No I didn't whisper him. A DC [snip] sent it to him.

Edit 2: On second thought, now that I see that crap is called invigorating drain, why is it I can break another cc in a split second but with this skill I have a hard one or two second delay before I can break it? Which costs me dearly. Anyone else notice more and more using invigorating drain?

Scyantific

Nihilos wrote: »

I mained AD for two years before I decided it was time for a change, so I decided to reroll to DC a little over a year ago. Upon doing so, I was greeted with a chorus of hate tells from people telling me to "stop spying", telling me I was not welcome, "banning" me from playing DC, and to gtfo and go back to AD. So I rerolled EP instead, and other than a certain healer of the deadly variety trying to bully me out, I was welcomed with open arms. I've met some of my closest game friends since coming to EP.

My point is, the community on EP is so much better and I don't see myself maining another faction, ever. I don't blame people for wanting to roll to EP.

A friend of mine who plays a DC occasionally can attest to this. He got on his DC to farm AD in Sotha, and within minutes he was singled out by some DC moron and pretty much had to turn off his whispers because so many people were hate-telling him to go back to EP and stop being a spy or w/e. Surprisingly enough, he also has a lowbie AD and no one's ever called him out whenever he plays it.

Satiar

Toxicity in factions comes and goes. EP used to be really bad. So did DC. Most of the ppl on both factions responsible for it are gone.

Can attest as DC reroll, it was a rough start !

bmannb16_ESO

Texas wrote: »

bmannb16_ESO wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

bmannb16_ESO wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

There's been this trend that I have seen the past few months, My friends list of DC mains playing EP characters more, some people switching over to EP in cyrodiil, whole guilds making the move to EP.

I wonder why that is the case, because with the competitive nature of ESO, wouldn't the smart thing to do be to stay AD or DC and fight EP, since EP has the organization and the numbers?

I recently returned to ESO after being in another game for 3 years and a lot has changed. This was just one of those observations.

My take on the sides

AD: Played AD since beta, its nothing but salt and cancer. Well there are some good groups and solos but chat is brutal, makes me grumpy.

DC: I find bomb/bird spammer guilds in DC Zergy as hell and lag inducing, 30 percent of their kills happen because people either lag out or crash altogether. Completely unsportsmanlike, not that I should expect any difference in a video game. But that's why I won't play DC.

EP: Recently started EP and found the zone more friendly, and people working together. Having a blast, will likely stay awhile.

There are more Bomb/ult spamming guilds on EP side..because there are more EP. I only know 1 ult/bomb/bird spamming guild on DC, and it is the one i'm in(At least on Vivec). Nothings wrong with effectively playing the meta. EP does it more than we do.

I'll agree small scale bomber are numerous on EP side, but rarely does anyone stack your numbers and cause even close to the lag your ticking. I have no problem with playing the meta, it's expected and almost required in this game. But unfortunately the servers can't handle full raids stacking the meta. Makes for poor game play on the receiving side.

3 years ago called and they want their post back!

Rinse and repeat as needed.

Nihilos

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Nihilos wrote: »

I mained AD for two years before I decided it was time for a change, so I decided to reroll to DC a little over a year ago. Upon doing so, I was greeted with a chorus of hate tells from people telling me to "stop spying", telling me I was not welcome, "banning" me from playing DC, and to gtfo and go back to AD. So I rerolled EP instead, and other than a certain healer of the deadly variety trying to bully me out, I was welcomed with open arms. I've met some of my closest game friends since coming to EP.

My point is, the community on EP is so much better and I don't see myself maining another faction, ever. I don't blame people for wanting to roll to EP.

So much this. Have had a similar experience. Played DC for a VERY long time. Was getting really tired of the high toxic levels in chat and the abuse between people in the same alliance. After some pretty bad harassment towards me, I decided to swap factions. I wanted to main AD, played my Templar there until I was almost AR21, received similar harassment in AD, tried to go back to DC, played Azura's for awhile, emped there, tried to get back into the DC faction "lifestyle", but after having people in my own faction openly be abusive in zone chat, I logged on my EP, dethroned myself, and have never gone back. Have met some amazing people on EP that I love so very much. EP has been amazing, and the people in this faction on PC/NA are what keep me playing ESO.

EDIT: Best dethrone ever (Despair is my DC sorc):

People still call me a cross faction spy to this day. Like I've played long enough on EP to almost be GO.. nobody ever sees me on other factions because I'm not on other factions. I don't get extreme faction loyalty to the point of ostracism. Oh well.

emma666

Simple, we have dragons.

Honestly though, I think a big reason alot of PvPers choose EP is because *gasp* EP get's doubleteamed often, and people who PvP for good fights often like the doubleteam because it gives alot of action, defensive PvP and AP.

I'd say our zonechat isn't very toxic either, and when it is, it's quality content.

All in all, great faction 10/10.

NBrookus

I prefer EP's attitude as a whole, but it's the only faction where people have openly and repeatedly called me names and made suggestions in zone chat that would show up as strings of ****'s here and are definitely NC17 rated. And I know others that can say the same.

There are toxic jerks on all factions.

Nihilos

What would you call it if Deadlyheals came from the ocean? Deadlyseal

Minnesinger

EP attracts players because they have more guilds recruiting players from novice to veterans. Unfortunately, players also flock into whatever faction that has gotten the upperhand in campaigns rather than balance the situation. Compared to AD zone chat when we had the top guilds to our current situation we have hardly any guilds pushing to objectives. It is like a barren land. The tide tends to turn though and maybe the next time AD will have its chance again.

Rohamad_Ali

That is so wonderful that EP is nice to players and that is not a sarcastic comment at all . Just what happens when everyone is EP because players can't handle a ignore list in a different faction ? That's noble that you are all kind and loving people but I joined AD to try to get some PVP going against the faction that was winning every campaign . At what point to others make sacrifices for the health of the game ?

SwampRaider

If this game was Guild vs Guild I would understand players joining 1 faction.

But this game is AvAvA. The health of the game depends on faction balance

Agrippa_Invisus

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That is so wonderful that EP is nice to players and that is not a sarcastic comment at all . Just what happens when everyone is EP because players can't handle a ignore list in a different faction ? That's noble that you are all kind and loving people but I joined AD to try to get some PVP going against the faction that was winning every campaign . At what point to others make sacrifices for the health of the game ?

Normally I'm all for the 'sometimes sacrifice is needed' category of handling things.

But in this instance, I understand. No one signs up to this game to be verbally abused day in and day out. If the objection for playing DC or AD was just 'but I wanna win', I'd be right there saying folks need to go back to their home faction. But when the reasoning is 'I was tired of verbal abuse', then... well... I can't object to that.

Perhaps it's time some certain folks in factions known for the abuse sacrifice their ability to speak in /zone for the health of their faction? That seems to me that it's a lot fewer people having to sacrifice a lot less important thing for the health of their factions than expecting folks to reroll or return while still maintaining the abuse.

"The good of the many..." and all that weighing, etcetera.

You'll attract a lot more flies with honey than vinegar.