The increasing numbers of the EP Faction.

Lucky28

Minnesinger wrote: »

EP attracts players because they have more guilds recruiting players from novice to veterans. Unfortunately, players also flock into whatever faction that has gotten the upperhand in campaigns rather than balance the situation. Compared to AD zone chat when we had the top guilds to our current situation we have hardly any guilds pushing to objectives. It is like a barren land. The tide tends to turn though and maybe the next time AD will have its chance again.

not that i'm an expert on eso guild practices but that doesn't sound right. pretty sure DC has more guilds that actively recruit players and just straight more guilds in general then either EP or AD.

Rohamad_Ali

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That is so wonderful that EP is nice to players and that is not a sarcastic comment at all . Just what happens when everyone is EP because players can't handle a ignore list in a different faction ? That's noble that you are all kind and loving people but I joined AD to try to get some PVP going against the faction that was winning every campaign . At what point to others make sacrifices for the health of the game ?

Normally I'm all for the 'sometimes sacrifice is needed' category of handling things.

But in this instance, I understand. No one signs up to this game to be verbally abused day in and day out. If the objection for playing DC or AD was just 'but I wanna win', I'd be right there saying folks need to go back to their home faction. But when the reasoning is 'I was tired of verbal abuse', then... well... I can't object to that.

Perhaps it's time some certain folks in factions known for the abuse sacrifice their ability to speak in /zone for the health of their faction? That seems to me that it's a lot fewer people having to sacrifice a lot less important thing for the health of their factions than expecting folks to reroll or return while still maintaining the abuse.

"The good of the many..." and all that weighing, etcetera.

You'll attract a lot more flies with honey than vinegar.

I am always polite to alias and rivals . I discourage in fighting in zone chat and only give objective call outs and occasional advice . I don't know what else to do . We have lost some to battlefields and some to other factions . Guilds seem to play less all the time . We will probably just have to live with the results . Everyone I have met in AD is very helpful and kind . Even the ones that flip faction seem to genuinely try to be helping when they are on AD toons and do not do very much anti productive unless someone in zone provokes them . I wish they would stay on their AD characters longer during times guilds are away . I know most of them are very skilled from seeing them move objectives quickly . Oh well . I'm use to being outnumbered and playing with less organization . A lot of AD seems to be on Kline and Sotha .

Anyways if it ends up our past CP 30 day is all EP it will just be like old Thornblade but this time The rest of us at least have Battlefields . Even broken those are better then one sided wars .

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

SwampRaider wrote: »

If this game was Guild vs Guild I would understand players joining 1 faction.

But this game is AvAvA. The health of the game depends on faction balance

Actually RvR needs faction balance way more then RvRvR because you have a natural balancing factor of having 2 enemies. If one faction is dominant it gets pushed by both others. Vivec is completely balanced on NA and you can tell this from the scores.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

IF ep has excess population on vivec , sotha sil could use more help on ep, no need to sit in a 180 man que. Come on EP, we gotta SPREAD THE RED.

SwampRaider

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

IF ep has excess population on vivec , sotha sil could use more help on ep, no need to sit in a 180 man que. Come on EP, we gotta SPREAD THE RED.

Having a 180 person queue works out in EP's favor.

DC fights all night (same people) New EP join the fight(due to queue) therefore Tired DC start fighting Renewed refreshed EP

Publius_Scipio

I can tell around what time EST the Australians start logging into EP.

Joy_Division

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That is so wonderful that EP is nice to players and that is not a sarcastic comment at all . Just what happens when everyone is EP because players can't handle a ignore list in a different faction ? That's noble that you are all kind and loving people but I joined AD to try to get some PVP going against the faction that was winning every campaign . At what point to others make sacrifices for the health of the game ?

EP went over an entire year winning I think just one NA TF campaign. As of two nights ago 14 points separated last place from first. However nice the zone chat may be or how many new faces there may be stuck in that monstrous queue, the AvAvA health is just fine.

Malic

As long as AD continues to be pooped on, Im good.

Publius_Scipio

Malic wrote: »

As long as AD continues to be pooped on, Im good.

They took 1st place in Vivec a couple days ago.

maxjapank

Lol. This thread takes the cake. A few in here claiming to be verbally abused are well known for the salty whispers they send.

Minnesinger

Lucky28 wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

EP attracts players because they have more guilds recruiting players from novice to veterans. Unfortunately, players also flock into whatever faction that has gotten the upperhand in campaigns rather than balance the situation. Compared to AD zone chat when we had the top guilds to our current situation we have hardly any guilds pushing to objectives. It is like a barren land. The tide tends to turn though and maybe the next time AD will have its chance again.

not that i'm an expert on eso guild practices but that doesn't sound right. pretty sure DC has more guilds that actively recruit players and just straight more guilds in general then either EP or AD.

Giahh wrote: »

montiferus wrote: »

Grotesque videos. This is why PVP is unplayable most of the time. Giant ball groups lagging out the server.

ZOS should make a separate section of Cyrodil for this stuff. Let them enjoy zerging each other down.

They have one, on NA its called Vivec, where the majority of players enjoy large scale PVP and participate in it. The mere fact that you are complaining about there being so many large groups suggests its popular.

If I were to guess at the amount of players in large scale PVP guilds that are active (not group size, just members active in cyrodil) it'd look like this:
(Feel free to correct my estimations if you're in any of said guilds because now I am actually interested to know)

Dominion Knights - 40 members
Dominant Dominion - 50 members
Vehemence - 40 members
Blood of Daggerfall - 50 members
Arcadian knights - 40 members
Pact Militia - 50 members
Fantasia - 30 members
Venatus - 30 members
LOM - 40 members
The Kelly Gang - 30 members
Invictus - 25 members

That right there suggests to me there are some 425 active players running around Vivec who want to participate in large scale PVP. I would argue that this kind of game play is 100% healthy for the game. I said it before but I have no doubt if you cut the population that these kinds of players make up out of the game, anything cyrodil related happening at ZOS will loose its funding within the year.

..I am aware there are so many variables around those numbers I just gave, cross guild players being one of them, but none the less I think the point is valid.

Rage away.....

Yea i totally forgot that we have gotten the actual numbers of each guild. And it certainly looks like AD too has pretty strong presence. To be honest. I have been inactive too so can´t really speak for DC guilds but I certainly know that many have changed to play EP plus they have gotten new guilds. AD guilds mentioned in this quote have more or less been inactive. The health of pvp is greatly inbalanced by having huge numbers in one campaign whereas 2 other campaigns are low pop mostly. Anyways, EP should hold on the moment and make most of their strenght. I among others welcome new overlords. DC winning every campaign was geting old.

Rohamad_Ali

maxjapank wrote: »

Lol. This thread takes the cake. A few in here claiming to be verbally abused are well known for the salty whispers they send.

We are needing to be more sensitive so that the AD can do better in the PVP . I want everyone in AD to start reviewing some tapes .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjN9rqdNNVA

Dutchessx

Y'all mention an over population of EP on Vivec, why not just home on a server the really needs more EP? The plus side would be better fights and no ques.

Ghostbane

DC zone chat = The blame game and distant echos of bragmanship

EP zone chat = Peaceful, communicative teamwork, sometimes outright hilarious

AD zone chat = Jerry Springer script, lodged into a toilet


I've done plenty of rerolling, and I know who in particular has done it for the health of the game, despite the crap flung at us.

Its time for some other people to do it.

fastolfv_ESO

makes me proud to be a dc when i get to read all the ppl who swap between dc and another alliance being told to F off, alliance prides a great thing

Malic

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

As long as AD continues to be pooped on, Im good.

They took 1st place in Vivec a couple days ago.

Thats because you havent been on as much crying in zone chat.

You need to step up your game Pub's CAPS AINT CUTTING IT ANYMORE.

CyrusArya

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

makes me proud to be a dc when i get to read all the ppl who swap between dc and another alliance being told to F off, alliance prides a great thing

Alliance pride is much like nationalism- a coping mechanism for the simple minded used to rationalize how utterly average they are.

Elong

Malic wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

As long as AD continues to be pooped on, Im good.

They took 1st place in Vivec a couple days ago.

Thats because you havent been on as much crying in zone chat.

You need to step up your game Pub's CAPS AINT CUTTING IT ANYMORE.

It's hard for him to type in zone when he's lying dead repeatedly at the gates of my Bruma mansion.

Malic

Elong wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

As long as AD continues to be pooped on, Im good.

They took 1st place in Vivec a couple days ago.

Thats because you havent been on as much crying in zone chat.

You need to step up your game Pub's CAPS AINT CUTTING IT ANYMORE.

It's hard for him to type in zone when he's lying dead repeatedly at the gates of my Bruma mansion.

That was great, lol.

Publius_Scipio

Elong wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

As long as AD continues to be pooped on, Im good.

They took 1st place in Vivec a couple days ago.

Thats because you havent been on as much crying in zone chat.

You need to step up your game Pub's CAPS AINT CUTTING IT ANYMORE.

It's hard for him to type in zone when he's lying dead repeatedly at the gates of my Bruma mansion.

I may not be able to take you on Elon with the rest of the Cabbage Patch Kids mauling me. But know that my soul, my essence, can 1vX you all.

Gederic

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

As long as AD continues to be pooped on, Im good.

They took 1st place in Vivec a couple days ago.

Thats because you havent been on as much crying in zone chat.

You need to step up your game Pub's CAPS AINT CUTTING IT ANYMORE.

It's hard for him to type in zone when he's lying dead repeatedly at the gates of my Bruma mansion.

I may not be able to take you on Elon with the rest of the Cabbage Patch Kids mauling me. But know that my soul, my essence, can 1vX you all.

Aye no one doubts your spirit. Just your judgement that is telling you to keep coming back.

Elong

Hahahahaha!

emma666

That fight at BRK tonight is reason enough to be proud to be EP. We had no groups or organization other than EP communicating in yell or zone with eachother, got troll camped, and we still won against a big organized guild. We also held against DC emp push against multiple organized guilds all night without any organized EP groups bigger than 12 for a long while, very impressed.

Rickter

DC is salty and orrnery because since this games inception, they have been the underdogs. Weve had to scrape and claw on every campaign with what little we have and the quality shows.

To this day DC holds the record for longest standing emperor: 53-54 days Kamikazee. She was a female so we believe in equal opportunity. And DC also had the undisputed best pound for pound pvp guild in all history <Khole>

Rickter

DC has faction pride. More so than any other faction in this game. People who main dc are dc for life. Its called "fiercly loyal".

The spy accusation is the fiercly part. Just reassure youre here to help and prove it with your actions. Earn the trust.

Publius_Scipio

HAHAHAHAHA it was Jules that sent Akinos what I said in zone. She pretends to ignore chat 97.37% of the time.

Publius_Scipio

Rickter wrote: »

DC has faction pride. More so than any other faction in this game. People who main dc are dc for life. Its called "fiercly loyal".

The spy accusation is the fiercly part. Just reassure youre here to help and prove it with your actions. Earn the trust.

Jules absolutely is a spy. She has no respect for the COVENANT when she is a "DC soldier". She is the opposite of those that comprise VE, who came over to DC and when on DC had one mission and that was to advance the goal of winning the campaign.

Kilandros

Honestly one of the things EP really has going for it right now is that we have people who pick up pugs from zone and play objectives and play objectives daily. If those pugs are new to pvp it gives them a starting point from which they can begin to get more serious about PvP. I dunno if AD still has people running pug groups--I know they used to. Those groups aren't out making sick gameplay videos, and sometimes they're getting farmed, but they do help keep your faction in the plus margin for scoring purposes.

Rohamad_Ali

Kilandros wrote: »

Honestly one of the things EP really has going for it right now is that we have people who pick up pugs from zone and play objectives and play objectives daily. If those pugs are new to pvp it gives them a starting point from which they can begin to get more serious about PvP. I dunno if AD still has people running pug groups--I know they used to. Those groups aren't out making sick gameplay videos, and sometimes they're getting farmed, but they do help keep your faction in the plus margin for scoring purposes.

AD has some guild that picks up pugs but the problem with wrangling pugs is they can be more of a liability then a help most times . Wearing non group meta builds and wandering off in fights . Not to mention they are vicious death piñatas ! We will figure it out in AD with educating those wishing to learn the right way and not just zerging the next closest objective . It will just take time since we had so many leave .

Elong

emma666 wrote: »

That fight at BRK tonight is reason enough to be proud to be EP. We had no groups or organization other than EP communicating in yell or zone with eachother, got troll camped, and we still won against a big organized guild. We also held against DC emp push against multiple organized guilds all night without any organized EP groups bigger than 12 for a long while, very impressed.

EP were fantastic last night. Only a couple of small organised groups and a lot of pugs, but I don't use that term in the derogatory sense, there were literally loads of players without groups just wanting to help stop a DC Emp.
Very proud of everyone who kept plugging away at it. Nymeria South Ga for the win!