The increasing numbers of the EP Faction.

SwampRaider

There's been this trend that I have seen the past few months, My friends list of DC mains playing EP characters more, some people switching over to EP in cyrodiil, whole guilds making the move to EP.

I wonder why that is the case, because with the competitive nature of ESO, wouldn't the smart thing to do be to stay AD or DC and fight EP, since EP has the organization and the numbers?

I recently returned to ESO after being in another game for 3 years and a lot has changed. This was just one of those observations.

Vilestride

My observations.

I feel like DC still has enough organised guilds to work the map. especially during prime time between VE/BoD/AK and I think I saw LOM doing some work in vivec?.

AD could definitely use some love, though their organisation of late has been impressive. Taking the lead for a bit even. They have a strong core in DK, DD, fantasia and Venatus.

The campaign is super close though so I dunno. I think prime time is really balanced, its just oceanic hours the factions get weird. Nights where TKG run, blue can usually stomp map, other nights EP just has huge numbers for some reason.

Curragraigue

Crystalized Round 2 - Return of the Zerg

Prince_of_all_Pugs

eh depends on the server on CP campaigns EP has the most numbers , but on non cp ep is the smallest faction, atleast on sotha sil.

Scyantific

Could also be the amount of toxicity inside the factions. Several friends are always telling me that DC zone chat in Sotha is extremely toxic so some people might be rerolling to teach the toxic people a lesson. Plus I think there's just something about EP that triggers anyone who doesn't play on EP pretty hard.

Telel

Maybe some folks got bored with farming the alts of their friends and now want to learn how to actually PVP?

Or they've switched places.

Rickter

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

but on non cp ep is the smallest faction, atleast on sotha sil.

proof that EP needs CP as a crutch

IcyDeadPeople

I think it has a bit to do with longtime Elder Scrolls fans wanting to play Ebonheart faction, many rolling Dunmer with all the Morrowind update hype etc. That's the reason I picked EP during the beta.

During the time I play, late at night PST, it still seems DC is the most populated, though.

DisgracefulMind

As for people rerolling, I'm not exactly sure. We do have a lot of people who play all three factions though, and swap around to play with friends, so who knows. I'd like to know these whole guilds though, the last one I heard of going back to EP was Wormhole, and they did that because DC was literally rolling the map in the early hours (EST).

NACtron

I have talked to a guild this week (which I will not name) and a few players that has considered moving over to EP. Their reasons are:
1. EP has a very non toxic community in comparison to other factions. We have our fair share of trolls but we have noticably better environment in zone.
2. Low Morale due to campaign loss. (I personally think they just need to not focus on map control so much, let campaign scoring go a bit.)
3. The momentum is with EP. We have two wins in a row under our belt with a solid list of guilds from the casual to the organized to the elite.


In my opinion players and guilds should NOT join EP cause:
1. EP's que is awful. Absolutely awful on vivec. The average que is 50-80 on a weeknight since Morrowind. I'm hoping players will leave ep or join other campaigns for this reason.
2. The other factions (In particular AD) need help on Vivec. Desperately. Grow where you are planted. If you want to be EP help make your faction more like it.
3. There is little room for growth. EP has so many guilds jf you are looking to recruit new players you will find a few but there are already two guilds on average a night recruiting daily in zone chat and more organized guilds like mine (Pact Militia) Drac and Invictus. There is also little room to find good fights without running into one of us.

apostate9

Rickter wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

but on non cp ep is the smallest faction, atleast on sotha sil.

proof that EP needs CP as a crutch

How is Shor treatin' ya? That's a non-CP campaign right? Oh wait...

:-)

ssewallb14_ESO

Funny because I keep seeing 70+ DC at Chalman every night, including multiple stacked guilds. Maybe it's faction organization you need and not numbers? DC seems to consistently lose Ash from doing nothing but run to Chalman or PvDoor Kings. It's rare that we can faction stack either front like that, as AD will start pushing BRK the second they know the Chal fight is happening if they have Ash, and they usually have Ash. I think the numbers are there, they just need to be organized and focused on maintaining home keeps and defending both fronts, rather that focusing a single enemy objective for the entire campaign.

Pchela

rolled dc a bit, realized all factions are stupid and zergy

Dutchessx

NACtron wrote: »

I have talked to a guild this week (which I will not name) and a few players that has considered moving over to EP. Their reasons are:
1. EP has a very non toxic community in comparison to other factions. We have our fair share of trolls but we have noticably better environment in zone.
2. Low Morale due to campaign loss. (I personally think they just need to not focus on map control so much, let campaign scoring go a bit.)
3. The momentum is with EP. We have two wins in a row under our belt with a solid list of guilds from the casual to the organized to the elite.


In my opinion players and guilds should NOT join EP cause:
1. EP's que is awful. Absolutely awful on vivec. The average que is 50-80 on a weeknight since Morrowind. I'm hoping players will leave ep or join other campaigns for this reason.
2. The other factions (In particular AD) need help on Vivec. Desperately. Grow where you are planted. If you want to be EP help make your faction more like it.
3. There is little room for growth. EP has so many guilds jf you are looking to recruit new players you will find a few but there are already two guilds on average a night recruiting daily in zone chat and more organized guilds like mine (Pact Militia) Drac and Invictus. There is also little room to find good fights without running into one of us.

Well I sort of disagree with what you are saying, here is why. (This is more of a general comment). If you want to roll EP no-cp is the way to go, there are many reasons for this:

1). If you are looking to grow a guild EP on Sotha Sil needs people who can teach new players coming up in the game. DR is not set up for that and I see a lot of players constantly looking for group or asking for help on builds etc. During down time I personally try to help as many as I can but DR is not a guild for new players.

2). EP on Sotha Sil need help against the DC faction zergs the largest of which log in about 10-11:30ish Central and then stay on majority of the night & early morning hours US time. However, during US prime we need help to hold and take back what we can not to mention pushing for dethrone or emp'ing an EP. At times my 8-12 man group is fighting 40+ organized & pugs DC players (which end up closer to 60+ or the whole faction storms in). We have even started running back up to 17-20ish at times just to counter the zergs, which we don't like doing. This does not include the AD that push us. There are a few other guilds that run groups but they are not as large or maybe on as much I don't know.
If you want to be EP and you are tired of everything in cp and want a challenge Sotha Sil EP need you. If you are interested this forum has many posts as to what other cp players think of no cp & why after having doubts they like no cp more. The ball is in your court, what do you choose to do with it.

Publius_Scipio

They are multiplying at increasing rates!

apostate9

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

They are multiplying at increasing rates!

Hey, not our fault we're the classy faction. :-)

Rickter

apostate9 wrote: »

How is Shor treatin' ya? That's a non-CP campaign right? Oh wait...

:-)

Shor's treating me just fine. Probably because everything seems more easy after 6 months in noCP. you should come try it. . . oh wait. . .

SelfTherapy

Good, let the weak leave, we don't need them.

apostate9

Rickter wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

How is Shor treatin' ya? That's a non-CP campaign right? Oh wait...

:-)

Shor's treating me just fine. Probably because everything seems more easy after 6 months in noCP. you should come try it. . . oh wait. . .

Oh wait what? Ironically, I DO play in a non-CP campaign. Cuz you know, no crutches and all that...

LOL

SwampRaider

DC could be more organized on vivec, the main issue is most of DC has a "Play how you want" mentality, yet they wonder why they get destroyed by destro ult/bombs.

Growing pains to be honest, hopefully they recognize that. But people get ragey when you tell them how to play the game to win...

But yea, I started this thread as just a general observation and was so curious as to why this was going on. I am just so used to Faction locked campaigns since last time i played, you could only have characters of 1 faction per campaign.

It's weird seeing people on your friends list alternate and run with different groups on the same campaign, when you clearly want 1 side to win.

Alomar

Damn EP zerglings, someone needs to teach them a lesson...I recommend taking their keeps and scrolls while they sleep tbh.

Scyantific

SwampRaider wrote: »

DC could be more organized on vivec, the main issue is most of DC has a "Play how you want" mentality, yet they wonder why they get destroyed by destro ult/bombs.

Growing pains to be honest, hopefully they recognize that. But people get ragey when you tell them how to play the game to win...

But yea, I started this thread as just a general observation and was so curious as to why this was going on. I am just so used to Faction locked campaigns since last time i played, you could only have characters of 1 faction per campaign.

It's weird seeing people on your friends list alternate and run with different groups on the same campaign, when you clearly want 1 side to win.

I'd tell you to grab some of the DC guilds from Sotha Sil NA PC but then I read that you want actual good players, not trash zerglings.

Rohamad_Ali

Scyantific wrote: »

Could also be the amount of toxicity inside the factions. Several friends are always telling me that DC zone chat in Sotha is extremely toxic so some people might be rerolling to teach the toxic people a lesson. Plus I think there's just something about EP that triggers anyone who doesn't play on EP pretty hard.

Wouldn't it be easier to ignore negative people . What lessons are you teaching by zerging players down ? Only ones I can think of is you are soft skinned and easily triggered .

Satiar

Yeah I dunno what's going on with DC and AD. It's like the factions forgotten how to play. I logged on at prime time and watched 50+ EP clowncar the scroll while ALSO taking Roebeck from AD. Like, wtf is that?

Nivellan

Satiar wrote: »

Yeah I dunno what's going on with DC and AD. It's like the factions forgotten how to play. I logged on at prime time and watched 50+ EP clowncar the scroll while ALSO taking Roebeck from AD. Like, wtf is that?

AD guilds avoid fighting as much as possible that I have seen. They'll take and defend Drakelowe while alessia and roe are being sieged. Or if we don't have those keeps they'll try and take BRK/Ash while Fare is being pushed. Fantasia is the main one you can expect to be where they need to be, but their groups are smallish lately and I don't see them run as much as they used to. You know it's bad when there's 2+ guilds on but only a few pugs show up to defend emp circle keeps.

Minno

Scyantific wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

DC could be more organized on vivec, the main issue is most of DC has a "Play how you want" mentality, yet they wonder why they get destroyed by destro ult/bombs.

Growing pains to be honest, hopefully they recognize that. But people get ragey when you tell them how to play the game to win...

But yea, I started this thread as just a general observation and was so curious as to why this was going on. I am just so used to Faction locked campaigns since last time i played, you could only have characters of 1 faction per campaign.

It's weird seeing people on your friends list alternate and run with different groups on the same campaign, when you clearly want 1 side to win.

I'd tell you to grab some of the DC guilds from Sotha Sil NA PC but then I read that you want actual good players, not trash zerglings.

You could whisper CN's lead but something tells me you're gonna have a bad time lol.

Vincelex

Satiar wrote: »

Yeah I dunno what's going on with DC and AD. It's like the factions forgotten how to play. I logged on at prime time and watched 50+ EP clowncar the scroll while ALSO taking Roebeck from AD. Like, wtf is that?

I was one driving the clowncar, confirmed 50+ EP

Scyantific

Minno wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

DC could be more organized on vivec, the main issue is most of DC has a "Play how you want" mentality, yet they wonder why they get destroyed by destro ult/bombs.

Growing pains to be honest, hopefully they recognize that. But people get ragey when you tell them how to play the game to win...

But yea, I started this thread as just a general observation and was so curious as to why this was going on. I am just so used to Faction locked campaigns since last time i played, you could only have characters of 1 faction per campaign.

It's weird seeing people on your friends list alternate and run with different groups on the same campaign, when you clearly want 1 side to win.

I'd tell you to grab some of the DC guilds from Sotha Sil NA PC but then I read that you want actual good players, not trash zerglings.

You could whisper CN's lead but something tells me you're gonna have a bad time lol.

pfft, I'd rather toss a few meteors at them, given how that worked out last time (murked 'em even with emp buffs)

DisgracefulMind

Vincelex wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Yeah I dunno what's going on with DC and AD. It's like the factions forgotten how to play. I logged on at prime time and watched 50+ EP clowncar the scroll while ALSO taking Roebeck from AD. Like, wtf is that?

I was one driving the clowncar, confirmed 50+ EP

There definitely wasn't three 24 man DC raid guilds at Chalman last night either, was there?

TBH DC is fine, EP is fine, it's AD that needs organized guilds atm.

Publius_Scipio

apostate9 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

They are multiplying at increasing rates!

Hey, not our fault we're the classy faction. :-)

Argonian mating is classy? Laying 20-35 eggs in the mud of river banks until they hatch is classy? Is Lucious Lily classy? Is Elong Trumpetbar's high elf prostitute fetish classy? Is the Skald King burping and farting at the dinner table classy?

Minno

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

They are multiplying at increasing rates!

Hey, not our fault we're the classy faction. :-)

Argonian mating is classy? Laying 20-35 eggs in the mud of river banks until they hatch is classy? Is Lucious Lily classy? Is Elong Trumpetbar's high elf prostitute fetish classy? Is the Skald King burping and farting at the dinner table classy?

The faction is literally full of slave loving, drunk, talking-leather-handbags.