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Skill Point Exploit & Account Suspensions

  • Gruffysb16_ESO
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    Ok so now onto the real issue.....something that probably most people haven't thought about.

    The three days isnt such a huge deal, it sucks but its not permanent however Zenimax have said that they are only resetting skill points back to where they were a week ago.

    So what happens to skill points earned legitimately rather that erroneously , skill points earned from skyshards, quest lines ect. Those I presume will be reset too, and because you have already done that content and picked up those skyshards you wont be able to earn those skill points back.

    Ergo a player affected by this ban who leveled up a warden to 50 last week will have likely 0 skill points when they login and will have done piles of content they cant do again to earn those points back.

    What are you going to do about this Zenimax?
    Edited by Gruffysb16_ESO on June 2, 2017 11:38AM
  • MajBludd
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    What I'd suggest is if you ran across this bug unintentionally and if you have eso+, cancel your subscription.
    Doesn't have to permanently, just for a month or however long you feel is appropriate
  • Turelus
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    Turelus wrote: »
    As I have posted many times in other threads about exploiting I feel ZOS would do well to adopt a strike system (if not already) to make sure first time offended who may not know better learn, but repeat offenders are eventually removed from the game.

    What I'd suggest:
    1st strike: 1 month account ban
    2nd strike: 3 month account ban
    3rd strike: Permaban the account

    EDIT: It would help if ZOS posts (either on the forums on the ESO website) what is an exploit when they find it.

    Example, "Doing action X is an exploit. As of June 2nd, anyone caught doing it will be considered an exploiter and banned accordingly."
    I've seen previous companies do.
    1st: 1 week - removal of all gained assets (taking money negative if it's already spent, you grind that back positive).
    2nd: 1month.
    3rd: Permanent.

    That's depending on the issues as well, I also know that CCP Games at least moved to a 2 strike for botting/RMT as they found people would just abuse the first and second strike for gains (still normally removed) and not stop until perma-bans loomed.

    One of the key differences as well is CCP investigate accounts related to RMT and follow the money trail, making sure all accounts from buyers and sellers are punished (sellers are permaban, RIP bye, no strike system).
    This means people who use alt accounts to sell their money (like know those on ESO do, yes I know people who have done it) still get caught an punished on all their accounts.
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  • MajBludd
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    Not new and wasn't aware. Sorry, not always so black and white. Although I do agree with what you say on the way it should have been handled.

    I don't keep a log book of what sky shards I got and where. I don't pve much. Only to lvl enough to get into pvp and to grind out gear, so I don't really pay attention to what or what didn't flash on the screen.
    Some times I'm distracted by my side asking me to help her with things or to play with the pups or respond to a txt.
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  • Aleraon
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    If it is one of the public dungeon group bosses I just hope it wasn't the one I've been running round in trying to collect pieces of that dwemer pet and levelling my warden. Guess I'll find out soon enough once I get home from work.

    As others have said, a pop up or some kind of warning to make people aware of this would have been a good idea as I've been running round killing everything in the delve, not just bosses. I just hope zos can tell the difference between someone exploiting and someone just playing the game.
    Edited by Aleraon on June 2, 2017 11:54AM
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  • Elsonso
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    Khajiit knows very good and honest players who have been caught up in this.

    It's the most normal thing in the word, if in a public dungeon with a group of friendly travellers, to go and do each of the bosses several times to make sure everyone has got them yes.

    Of all the exploiting issues that this one she is aware of this sounds the most likely to catch people who had no intention of doing any wrong.

    Of course if someone has obviously acquired 100 skill points and has sat there for hours farming this one boss then give them a ban but if someone has only accidentally acquired an extra couple of points then it might be just better to remove the points - rather than upsetting players, making them cancel ESO Plus, even perhaps quitting? Leaving a bad taste in the mouth of good players is sometimes just not worth it.

    Khajiit also hopes the bans will not count against these players in the future on this occasion.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    Well, in the case of rampant innocents, I expect that ZOS will reverse some of them. If they had their net set too tight, shame on them. Naturally, the Forum will find issue with this, but I would rather guilty go free than the innocent punished.

    Still, 300 seems small for the duration and type of exploit. Even with Vvardenfell just being released and people spending time there, I would expect more than 300 people out of the thousands playing.

  • Juli'St
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    ZOS still omiting about MANY exploit's in this game and you know that. If Devs investigate some armor addon's, your team dev ll see what i say here.

    Other, Many players still JUMP into keeps like in past - today i make a report about - and, of corse, ll be ignored for this support.
  • SantieClaws
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    Khajiit knows very good and honest players who have been caught up in this.

    It's the most normal thing in the word, if in a public dungeon with a group of friendly travellers, to go and do each of the bosses several times to make sure everyone has got them yes.

    Of all the exploiting issues that this one she is aware of this sounds the most likely to catch people who had no intention of doing any wrong.

    Of course if someone has obviously acquired 100 skill points and has sat there for hours farming this one boss then give them a ban but if someone has only accidentally acquired an extra couple of points then it might be just better to remove the points - rather than upsetting players, making them cancel ESO Plus, even perhaps quitting? Leaving a bad taste in the mouth of good players is sometimes just not worth it.

    Khajiit also hopes the bans will not count against these players in the future on this occasion.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    Well, in the case of rampant innocents, I expect that ZOS will reverse some of them. If they had their net set too tight, shame on them. Naturally, the Forum will find issue with this, but I would rather guilty go free than the innocent punished.

    Still, 300 seems small for the duration and type of exploit. Even with Vvardenfell just being released and people spending time there, I would expect more than 300 people out of the thousands playing.

    This one is not sure, from what she has been told, that it was a dungeon in Vvardenfell. Khajiit does not even know for sure that it was limited to just one dungeon.

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  • DarkAedin
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    Khajiit knows very good and honest players who have been caught up in this.

    It's the most normal thing in the word, if in a public dungeon with a group of friendly travellers, to go and do each of the bosses several times to make sure everyone has got them yes.

    Of all the exploiting issues that this one she is aware of this sounds the most likely to catch people who had no intention of doing any wrong.

    Of course if someone has obviously acquired 100 skill points and has sat there for hours farming this one boss then give them a ban but if someone has only accidentally acquired an extra couple of points then it might be just better to remove the points - rather than upsetting players, making them cancel ESO Plus, even perhaps quitting? Leaving a bad taste in the mouth of good players is sometimes just not worth it.

    Khajiit also hopes the bans will not count against these players in the future on this occasion.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    Well, in the case of rampant innocents, I expect that ZOS will reverse some of them. If they had their net set too tight, shame on them. Naturally, the Forum will find issue with this, but I would rather guilty go free than the innocent punished.

    Still, 300 seems small for the duration and type of exploit. Even with Vvardenfell just being released and people spending time there, I would expect more than 300 people out of the thousands playing.

    A few of us figured out that we all farmed one area last week. We were all farming spriggans gear. Look back on this thread.
    It makes sense so few players hitting it within first few days of vvarden dropping, its the last dc quest zone. I myself was only there to get 7th/ spriggan gear for lowbie kyne (new bwb) pvp.
    But apparently zos in thier infinite wisdom thought it was better practice to ban rather then warn off
  • Elsonso
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    Khajiit knows very good and honest players who have been caught up in this.

    It's the most normal thing in the word, if in a public dungeon with a group of friendly travellers, to go and do each of the bosses several times to make sure everyone has got them yes.

    Of all the exploiting issues that this one she is aware of this sounds the most likely to catch people who had no intention of doing any wrong.

    Of course if someone has obviously acquired 100 skill points and has sat there for hours farming this one boss then give them a ban but if someone has only accidentally acquired an extra couple of points then it might be just better to remove the points - rather than upsetting players, making them cancel ESO Plus, even perhaps quitting? Leaving a bad taste in the mouth of good players is sometimes just not worth it.

    Khajiit also hopes the bans will not count against these players in the future on this occasion.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    Well, in the case of rampant innocents, I expect that ZOS will reverse some of them. If they had their net set too tight, shame on them. Naturally, the Forum will find issue with this, but I would rather guilty go free than the innocent punished.

    Still, 300 seems small for the duration and type of exploit. Even with Vvardenfell just being released and people spending time there, I would expect more than 300 people out of the thousands playing.

    This one is not sure, from what she has been told, that it was a dungeon in Vvardenfell. Khajiit does not even know for sure that it was limited to just one dungeon.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    Part of the problem is that we don't know exactly what dungeons or what bosses. To me, it sounds like all of them because I am reading comments talking about different dungeons. I am also reading that people with and without Morrowind got suspended. I have to assume it was a global issue, not a single instance. If that is the case, 300 is not a large enough number. If it is one boss in one dungeon, then it is.


  • DarkAedin
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    Khajiit knows very good and honest players who have been caught up in this.

    It's the most normal thing in the word, if in a public dungeon with a group of friendly travellers, to go and do each of the bosses several times to make sure everyone has got them yes.

    Of all the exploiting issues that this one she is aware of this sounds the most likely to catch people who had no intention of doing any wrong.

    Of course if someone has obviously acquired 100 skill points and has sat there for hours farming this one boss then give them a ban but if someone has only accidentally acquired an extra couple of points then it might be just better to remove the points - rather than upsetting players, making them cancel ESO Plus, even perhaps quitting? Leaving a bad taste in the mouth of good players is sometimes just not worth it.

    Khajiit also hopes the bans will not count against these players in the future on this occasion.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    Well, in the case of rampant innocents, I expect that ZOS will reverse some of them. If they had their net set too tight, shame on them. Naturally, the Forum will find issue with this, but I would rather guilty go free than the innocent punished.

    Still, 300 seems small for the duration and type of exploit. Even with Vvardenfell just being released and people spending time there, I would expect more than 300 people out of the thousands playing.

    This one is not sure, from what she has been told, that it was a dungeon in Vvardenfell. Khajiit does not even know for sure that it was limited to just one dungeon.

    Yours with paws
    Santie Claws

    I never entered any delve in vvarden. Wasnt there. The only boss i killed more then once this past week while playing the new warden was in bangkorai.
    Based on another posters info, i had thought it was vvarden too and was confused bc i only killed 1 overworld boss in vvarden twice - on seperate occasions.
    The only thing i farmed thos past weekend was spriggans / 7th gear from bangkoria. A few other players here also farmed only that area and were hit too. We believe its the bangkorai public dungeon....
    But thats a huge problem isnt it? We dont even know what we did. All the zos employees tell us is that we exploited and close our threads or emails

    This is some bull
  • bennysbeastb16_ESO2
    2bh Zos should be clearing stating issues like this on forums, so people can be aware,
    i spent the whole week farming vardefell (week off work for it) so i dont believe its in that instance..

    Also i have 5 charectors 600+ cp, and never realised that you could gain skill points from doing group activities in delves(learn something every day*; are their specific quests? ).. as a solo player this isnt something ive ever picked up on, i dont do dailies (e.g. mage guild etc), , so with all those people on their high horse shouting you know what you did, gtfo please. Grow de *** up, not everything is a conspiracy.

    And with Zos not clearly stating what boss; in which location. doesnt help the community at all.

    * and i havent been banned so i guess i didnt run into the area, **
    Sympathies to those who have been caught up in the issue, and well 'unlucky' o those who did know and got caught ;D

    **Final note, other companies do states exploit on their forums, i.e Ubisoft is one, that way people can be notified, and pass the neccesary information on through guild chat..*
    Edited by bennysbeastb16_ESO2 on June 2, 2017 1:16PM
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  • White wabbit
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    2bh Zos should be clearing stating issues like this on forums, so people can be aware,
    i spent the whole week farming vardefell (week off work for it) so i dont believe its in that instance..

    Also i have 5 charectors 600+ cp, and never realised that you could gain skill points from doing group activities in delves(learn something every day*; are their specific quests? ).. as a solo player this isnt something ive ever picked up on, i dont do dailies (e.g. mage guild etc), , so with all those people on their high horse shouting you know what you did, gtfo please. Grow de *** up, not everything is a conspiracy.

    And with Zos not clearly stating what boss; in which location. doesnt help the community at all.

    * and i havent been banned so i guess i didnt run into the area, **
    Sympathies to those who have been caught up in the issue, and well 'unlucky' o those who did know and got caught ;D


    All the group dungeons have a sky shard and a certain boss that if you kill you get a one off skill point
  • DarkAedin
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    Btw my character has completed all of dc and ads main zone stories, skyshards, and public dungeons. I have caltrops on him now too so thats a bunch more skillpoints from pvp.
    I was up to eastmarch when i was booted. Thats the 2nd to last ep zone. U realize i have a ton of skillpoints from painstainkingly going through all this content. getting a few from farming bosses while grinding out gear is unnoticable in the middle of a massive skillpoint grind.
    And i just shelled out $50 canadian for the xpansion
  • Skullstachio
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    I would recommend closing this thread to ensure that it does not get out of hand.
    But more importantly, to move on to different topics instead of talking about the you-know-what.

    (As certain topics should be kept under wraps unless discussed with a ZOS staff member privately via the PM[private message] System.)
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  • James-Wayne
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    Moral of the story = don't farm gear
    PERTH, AUSTRALIAN | PC | NA

    PING - 2014 @ 220, 2016 @ 300, 2018 @ 400+, 2020 @ 320, 2021 @ 290 and steady!

    Main Characters
    James-Wayne | Dark Elf | Templar, Wayne-Robert | Imperial | Dragonknight, Lili’an-Stormcloak | Imperial | Sorcerer, Gul'Lash-Deadeye | Orc | Nightblade, Lily'Frostfang | Breton | Warden, Lilith-Zengo | Dark Elf | Nightblade, Sees-Life-N'Death | Argonian | Necromancer

    Support Characters
    Xavitar-Spellfire | High Elf | Dragonknight, Hodor-Stoneheart | Nord | Templar, Heals-All-Hearts | Argonian | Templar, Zohan-Beastmaster | Wood Elf | Sorcerer, Zanthia-Zomby | Orc | Necromancer, Simon-Snow'Wolfbear | Nord | Warden, Shadows-of-Blood'N'Stone | Argonian | Nightblade
  • MajBludd
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    And again, good luck getting a response from a ZOS employee. Enjoy your 3 day suspension. Guess it's time to take care of the honey do list.
  • AzraelKrieg
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    I'm so glad I didn't pre order Marrowind and accidentally get banned . Being a cheap skate pays off once again .

    Wouldn't have mattered because the dungeon in question wasn't part of Morrowind, it was part of the base zones
    Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NA

    CR1500+
    Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50
    Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50
    Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50
    Jorleif the Bear-King - EP DK - 50
    Ko'Shariba-do - EP Sorc - 50
    Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50
    Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50
    More-Tail - EP Warden - 50
    Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50
    Az the Bulwark of Skål - EP Warden - 50
    Rilasi Sedas - EP Warden - 50
    Rayna Andalen - EP Templar - 50
  • LiquidPony
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    altemriel wrote: »
    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Sheey wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Will punishments be worse if any of these people were repeat offenders?

    As I feel whilst this issue was reversible the fact we often see suspensions only leads people to promote exploiting, cash out before the suspension, take a suspension and enjoy the rewards still.

    As I have posted many times in other threads about exploiting I feel ZOS would do well to adopt a strike system (if not already) to make sure first time offended who may not know better learn, but repeat offenders are eventually removed from the game.

    No. Just No.

    Repeat offenders should not be removed from the game. As long as it is game expirienced-related the punishments should stay ingame related and not account related.

    Suspending someone from the game permanently is never to take in action just because someone abusing a bug in game. Permanently bans are reserved for Bots and system hacks ONLY.
    This is the procedure for almost every other MMO, there are clear ToS rules stating you are not to exploit bugs if encountered.

    The issue we have with ESO and exploiting is that because ZOS has rarely ever made a harsh stance we literally see people telling one another to abuse bugs on the forums and have active groups within the game which find them and abuse for massive gains yet face only a temporary suspension.

    I've been banging on about this for over a year now linking the same old information again and again. If ZOS wants ESO to have a reputation of a fair and competitive online game then they need to start taking actual actions against people who continuously exploit bugs for advantages in the game.

    Here are some examples to prove I am not just touting rubbish.

    https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/suspension-and-ban-policy/
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/
    http://www.playonline.com/ff11eu/rule/manner05.html?pageID=manner

    Maybe I'm a jerk, but, I feel like a more reasonable solution to this problem would be ... fix the bugs? Invest in a competent QA team? Hold the developers responsible for consistently releasing bug-riddled code that never gets fixed?

    It just seems to me that if ZOS "wants ESO to have a reputation of a fair and competitive online game," then they should produce a game that isn't a donkey show of bugs, crashes, and lag.

    Stuff like this leading to permabans would be a great way to let ESO rest in pepperoni. I've spent many an evening grinding Public Dungeons for various purposes (guild events, gear farm, gold farm, etc.).
    The issue and the reason a ToS exists is because not all bugs can be foreseen and fixed instantly. You have to remember there are groups who go on PTS to find issues, don't report them then abuse in the live game.

    ToS which gives a company freedom to suspend or ban due to unforeseen bugs. It should only lead to a perma ban if a player constantly after one or two strikes continues to exploit bugs.

    If you find a bug which can be exploited, report it, don't use it, don't get banned. It's that simple.

    My point is that bugs like this one can easily be accidentally "exploited" by people who had no ill intent.

    And there are other bugs that are "exploited" to work around broken content that can't be played otherwise.

    And there are many potential bugs that are, by some definition, being "exploited" in competitive end-game content ... but of course we have no idea if those are actually bugs that we are exploiting or intentional mechanics.

    Anyway, all I'm saying is that it cuts both ways. People should be banned for repeatedly exploiting known bugs, but ZOS should do a better job of communicating the existence of those bugs and then fixing them. The sheer number of bugs and exploits in this game is astounding.

    If ZOS wants this to be a fair and competitive online game, the buck starts and stops with ZOS. Putting all of the blame on players, especially in cases like this, just allows ZOS to continue raking in cash for delivering broken content.





    well yes, it can.

    But an easy way to distinguish this is when someone gains 2 or 3 skill points like that and when someone other one gains 20 skill points farming this location for few hours, right?

    lol, you think ZOS is capable of "easily distinguishing" the difference between exploiters and people who accidentally ran into a bug?

    This thread is proof that they are not.

    I am sometimes amazed that this company managed to deliver a game that works at all.
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    LiquidPony wrote: »
    altemriel wrote: »
    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Sheey wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Will punishments be worse if any of these people were repeat offenders?

    As I feel whilst this issue was reversible the fact we often see suspensions only leads people to promote exploiting, cash out before the suspension, take a suspension and enjoy the rewards still.

    As I have posted many times in other threads about exploiting I feel ZOS would do well to adopt a strike system (if not already) to make sure first time offended who may not know better learn, but repeat offenders are eventually removed from the game.

    No. Just No.

    Repeat offenders should not be removed from the game. As long as it is game expirienced-related the punishments should stay ingame related and not account related.

    Suspending someone from the game permanently is never to take in action just because someone abusing a bug in game. Permanently bans are reserved for Bots and system hacks ONLY.
    This is the procedure for almost every other MMO, there are clear ToS rules stating you are not to exploit bugs if encountered.

    The issue we have with ESO and exploiting is that because ZOS has rarely ever made a harsh stance we literally see people telling one another to abuse bugs on the forums and have active groups within the game which find them and abuse for massive gains yet face only a temporary suspension.

    I've been banging on about this for over a year now linking the same old information again and again. If ZOS wants ESO to have a reputation of a fair and competitive online game then they need to start taking actual actions against people who continuously exploit bugs for advantages in the game.

    Here are some examples to prove I am not just touting rubbish.

    https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/suspension-and-ban-policy/
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/
    http://www.playonline.com/ff11eu/rule/manner05.html?pageID=manner

    Maybe I'm a jerk, but, I feel like a more reasonable solution to this problem would be ... fix the bugs? Invest in a competent QA team? Hold the developers responsible for consistently releasing bug-riddled code that never gets fixed?

    It just seems to me that if ZOS "wants ESO to have a reputation of a fair and competitive online game," then they should produce a game that isn't a donkey show of bugs, crashes, and lag.

    Stuff like this leading to permabans would be a great way to let ESO rest in pepperoni. I've spent many an evening grinding Public Dungeons for various purposes (guild events, gear farm, gold farm, etc.).
    The issue and the reason a ToS exists is because not all bugs can be foreseen and fixed instantly. You have to remember there are groups who go on PTS to find issues, don't report them then abuse in the live game.

    ToS which gives a company freedom to suspend or ban due to unforeseen bugs. It should only lead to a perma ban if a player constantly after one or two strikes continues to exploit bugs.

    If you find a bug which can be exploited, report it, don't use it, don't get banned. It's that simple.

    My point is that bugs like this one can easily be accidentally "exploited" by people who had no ill intent.

    And there are other bugs that are "exploited" to work around broken content that can't be played otherwise.

    And there are many potential bugs that are, by some definition, being "exploited" in competitive end-game content ... but of course we have no idea if those are actually bugs that we are exploiting or intentional mechanics.

    Anyway, all I'm saying is that it cuts both ways. People should be banned for repeatedly exploiting known bugs, but ZOS should do a better job of communicating the existence of those bugs and then fixing them. The sheer number of bugs and exploits in this game is astounding.

    If ZOS wants this to be a fair and competitive online game, the buck starts and stops with ZOS. Putting all of the blame on players, especially in cases like this, just allows ZOS to continue raking in cash for delivering broken content.





    well yes, it can.

    But an easy way to distinguish this is when someone gains 2 or 3 skill points like that and when someone other one gains 20 skill points farming this location for few hours, right?

    lol, you think ZOS is capable of "easily distinguishing" the difference between exploiters and people who accidentally ran into a bug?

    This thread is proof that they are not.

    I am sometimes amazed that this company managed to deliver a game that works at all.

    This thread is anecdotal, and nothing more. ZOS is cagey about the actual exploit and has, apparently, not even told the people who were suspended exactly what they did, where, and when. On top of that, we only have the word of the people reporting as to what they did. Not that I want to call people liars, but it is not like they can provide proof to us.

    That said, I believe they probably have a problem where they are banning for unintentional infringement, and possibly even well-intentioned infringement (for reporting purposes). I just have no proof.

    I do expect they will make it right for those people, though.

  • Gruffysb16_ESO
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    LiquidPony wrote: »
    I am sometimes amazed that this company managed to deliver a game that works at all.

    Are you mad? :D Clearly you have not been here for the last 3 months where the dungeon finder has been utterly borked!
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