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Skill Point Exploit & Account Suspensions

  • MajBludd
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    So, is it listed as a suspension for a known exploit or a suspension for an exploit? If a know exploit, when did it become know to the player base?
  • rullof
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    Yes
  • Bouldercleave
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    DarkAedin wrote: »
    Hempyre wrote: »
    The first skill point -normal

    The second skill point -hmmm interesting

    The third skill point -exploiting

    Any further explanation required?

    Pretty clear in every game I've ever played using bugs and exploits is bannable.

    Give your head a shake...

    This never happened to me but i got banned anyway. I did not farm any vvardenfel delve

    They never said it was Vvardenfell as far as I'm aware. I may be wrong.
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  • DarkAedin
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    DarkAedin wrote: »
    Hempyre wrote: »
    The first skill point -normal

    The second skill point -hmmm interesting

    The third skill point -exploiting

    Any further explanation required?

    Pretty clear in every game I've ever played using bugs and exploits is bannable.

    Give your head a shake...

    This never happened to me but i got banned anyway. I did not farm any vvardenfel delve

    They never said it was Vvardenfell as far as I'm aware. I may be wrong.

    The most i know about this ive learned today. On this thread. After my ban.
    The only thing i farmed was spriggans and that was 1 days worth i got no xtra skill points
  • MajBludd
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    According to some that have posted , you know what you did and should get a 7 day suspension.

    Once again, I ask when did they post that this was a known exploit on the forums? I usually browse the forums each day and haven't recalled seeing a post up until today.

    So, if it wasn't known to the player base or that information wasn't given out, how would you know you were doing something wrong so to speak?
  • MajBludd
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    Yes, it is a little confusing when we had people using CE. Knowingly exploiting, get a 7 day ban.

    I guess I need to keep a log book of every skill point I gain so I don't get a suspension again.
  • MajBludd
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    Possibly by not paying attention to the fact you are getting a skill point. Not everyone is malicious.
    It is what it is but some of us had no clue what we did.
  • DarkAedin
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    Moi_523 wrote: »
    What is wrong with this scenario? I get banned for 3 days (and who knows what setbacks on my character because its very unclear as to what you are going to do) because i happened to be in a dungeon that had a bug on the particular day i decided to do it and in the normal course of doing a dungeon i killed a boss more than once that give more skill points than it should have. Yet continually people uses racist and homophobic slurs in chat and when i report it i get told i should just ignore them and move on with playing?? You really need to get your priorities straight Zemimax.

    Oh and by the way the dungeon was not in the new area for those that thought it was, I don't even have the new content. I believe it is the public dungeon in bangkori but tbh i don't know for sure because I did not knowingly exploit anything and happened to be working on my public dungeon achievements last week and that was one of the ones I did.

    This must be it. Trying to think of places where i was and i farmed out a lowbie setup for 7th legion/spriggans for lowbie pvp. Thnx zos
  • MajBludd
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    Yeah, that is all I can think it was. I farmed sprigs for pvp. I would hit the dolmens for jewelry then the public dungeon for 2 pcs of gear. Then back to pvp
  • radiospam
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    3 day ZOS vacation because of a buggy dungeon. GG
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  • Vonbone
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    LiquidPony wrote: »
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    Hempyre wrote: »
    The first skill point -normal

    The second skill point -hmmm interesting

    The third skill point -exploiting

    Any further explanation required?

    Pretty clear in every game I've ever played using bugs and exploits is bannable.

    Give your head a shake...

    This assumes that players are aware of how Skill Points are granted in Group Dungeons and also puts the responsibility on players to cease normal gameplay because of a bug. I understand that ZOS can put whatever they want in the TOS and shift the burden of responsibility to the players.

    But the world isn't black and white. Some "exploits" are more heinous than others. This one is pretty innocent and far to easy to accidentally encounter.

    And thats why its only 3 days and not more (assuming they have no previous infractions)

    It's still ridiculous. Just revert the skill points and, if necessary, issue a warning. No reason to get ban-happy over something that any random player who decided to kill a Public Dungeon boss twice would be guilty of "exploiting."

    I just spent an hour camping a Public Dungeon event last weekend, helping a guildie farm some gear. I was browsing Reddit on my phone while intermittently throwing out Caltrops and Endless Hail. Not sure I would've even noticed I was obtaining multiple skill points until after the fact, and then it would have been a head scratcher ... "did I really have that many unused skill points? Huh. Don't remember. Oh well."

    Skill points are a fairly rare commodity, so if you see you are getting them with some regularity by doing an action over and over, something is wrong. I don't know this exploit, but I have to assume there was a notification that skill points were being earned flashed in the center of the screen.

    So, yeah, a 3 day suspension is not out of line, along with removal of the additional skill points, for people who they catch.

    If I know ZOS, they had a threshold. It probably took more than a couple times to show up on the radar. If there was an innocent player in all of this, I have no idea how they could prove that they did not notice they were farming skill points.

    Skill points are fairly rare? You must not pvp. The starter quest in the cyrodill gives you 2 points just to skip the quest. I've gotten 5 or 6 points before I realized I'd even gotten them in pvp. So rare. No.
    Edited by Vonbone on June 1, 2017 11:53PM
  • DarkAedin
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    MajBludd wrote: »
    Yeah, that is all I can think it was. I farmed sprigs for pvp. I would hit the dolmens for jewelry then the public dungeon for 2 pcs of gear. Then back to pvp

    Thats 3 of us confirming that we were farming spriggans. At least i know what i did "wrong" now. Not that the *** who answered the email was any help. All he could do was tell me i was one of the worst exploiters! Amd then closed my ticket. Thanks for ur help zos!!
  • DarkAedin
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    Dont care bout the excess skillpoints. I didnt even know i had em. Are we just gonna get boned for 72 hrs bc they fubard? And they want my money? Maybe ill go get a refund and a new dog
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    Wish I knew which dungeon so I don't go there,lol.god forbid someone accidentally ya know play the game and farm for gear.

    Srsly. First time i even heard about this was after i was banned and hopped on the forums. How was i to know? I just wanted to farm gear for my lowbie warden for kyne pvp!
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    Wish I knew which dungeon so I don't go there,lol.god forbid someone accidentally ya know play the game and farm for gear.

    I forget where it was said, but someone said Bangkorai, so the people saying the were farming Spriggans would make sense.
  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Would like to know where this happening so I can avoid this area when I get morrowind on console or will this be fixed prior to launch?

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  • MajBludd
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    Yeah, that's why I asked the question when did it become known? Why did they wait til today to post that it was an "exploit" after they decided to suspend 300 + people?

    Think the best for of action would have been the following;
    We found this issue with our coding or whatever and we will do maintenance to fix the issue. At which time your skill points will be reset.
  • ManwithBeard9
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    Exploits arent widely known until its been abused for a while. There are people that play exclusively to find exploits, some to report, others to keep hidden and gain an unfair advantage. Writ survey exploit that became easier with the banker, gap closing into keeps, numerous other skills, Cheat Engine, all that stuff stays secret until non-cancerous people find out about it and report it.
  • MajBludd
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    I get that, but is this really on the same level as, say, using CE?
    I see no point to in whining about the suspension. Not much point in it. It's in their hands. So, if I grind a dungeon and dot really pay attention to the fact I'm getting an extra skill point or points, how would I know unless I get a warning as to this exploit?
    90% of my time is spent in Cyro. I pve to hit lvl 10 then got to BWB or Kyne, as it's called now. I go back to pve to grind gear. So I don't exactly pay attention to what skill points I get and from where.
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    Vonbone wrote: »
    LiquidPony wrote: »
    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Hempyre wrote: »
    The first skill point -normal

    The second skill point -hmmm interesting

    The third skill point -exploiting

    Any further explanation required?

    Pretty clear in every game I've ever played using bugs and exploits is bannable.

    Give your head a shake...

    This assumes that players are aware of how Skill Points are granted in Group Dungeons and also puts the responsibility on players to cease normal gameplay because of a bug. I understand that ZOS can put whatever they want in the TOS and shift the burden of responsibility to the players.

    But the world isn't black and white. Some "exploits" are more heinous than others. This one is pretty innocent and far to easy to accidentally encounter.

    And thats why its only 3 days and not more (assuming they have no previous infractions)

    It's still ridiculous. Just revert the skill points and, if necessary, issue a warning. No reason to get ban-happy over something that any random player who decided to kill a Public Dungeon boss twice would be guilty of "exploiting."

    I just spent an hour camping a Public Dungeon event last weekend, helping a guildie farm some gear. I was browsing Reddit on my phone while intermittently throwing out Caltrops and Endless Hail. Not sure I would've even noticed I was obtaining multiple skill points until after the fact, and then it would have been a head scratcher ... "did I really have that many unused skill points? Huh. Don't remember. Oh well."

    Skill points are a fairly rare commodity, so if you see you are getting them with some regularity by doing an action over and over, something is wrong. I don't know this exploit, but I have to assume there was a notification that skill points were being earned flashed in the center of the screen.

    So, yeah, a 3 day suspension is not out of line, along with removal of the additional skill points, for people who they catch.

    If I know ZOS, they had a threshold. It probably took more than a couple times to show up on the radar. If there was an innocent player in all of this, I have no idea how they could prove that they did not notice they were farming skill points.

    Skill points are fairly rare? You must not pvp. The starter quest in the cyrodill gives you 2 points just to skip the quest. I've gotten 5 or 6 points before I realized I'd even gotten them in pvp. So rare. No.

    Yes, fairly rare. Seriously. Getting 5 or 6 is nothing, and you aren't getting that every day for doing the same things.
    Mojmir wrote: »
    Wish I knew which dungeon so I don't go there,lol.god forbid someone accidentally ya know play the game and farm for gear.

    Well, they fixed it, so I guess it is not a worry. A dungeon boss that awards a skill point does not sound familiar to me, so I have no idea where this was or how it worked. I am curious, though.

  • MajBludd
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    I'm curious too, and I got suspended
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