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Should PVP Be Removed From ESO?
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, because...@Torbschka
There was also this:
https://youtu.be/dzR9WGcyjp4
And this:
https://youtu.be/oz0ymODBlD8
And of course this:
https://youtu.be/EclrB5dzahs
There's even more videos that I have listed under private, ranging from doors failing to work, and other things as well.
Oh, and to shut people up about my StamDK in a 1vX situation:
https://youtu.be/cmRZX1A20zw
I also have videos of me 1v4'ing with my StamDK, and other numerous videos as well that depict both me excelling in PvP in the past and the numerous issues that plague Cyrodiil. All I need do is take them off private, if you or someone else wishes to have a peak.
Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 29, 2017 3:44PM0 -
subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭No, because...No. I can't say I'm a pvper, but removing options is stupid.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, because...@Torbschka
There was also this:https://youtu.be/dzR9WGcyjp4
And this:https://youtu.be/oz0ymODBlD8
And of course this:https://youtu.be/EclrB5dzahs
There's even more videos that I have listed under private, ranging from doors failing to work, and other things as well.
Oh, and to shut people up about my StamDK in a 1vX situation:https://youtu.be/cmRZX1A20zw
I also have videos of me 1v4'ing with my StamDK, and other numerous videos as well that depict both me excelling in PvP in the past and the numerous issues that plague Cyrodiil. All I need do is take them off private, if you or someone else wishes to have a peak.
That was player vs program lol, until the last clip... Dude... You slow! I mean AC much lol?6 -
playsforfun✭✭✭✭No, because...supposed to be the best thing about the game, sadly with every update it just get worse and worse but to kill it all together no thank you.5 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, because...Yes in a way but not entirely id say remove in favor of multiple arenas and play style types like the battlegrounds rather than the usual zerging that everyone and their grandfather whines about.2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, because...Waffennacht wrote: »@Torbschka
There was also this:https://youtu.be/dzR9WGcyjp4
And this:https://youtu.be/oz0ymODBlD8
And of course this:https://youtu.be/EclrB5dzahs
There's even more videos that I have listed under private, ranging from doors failing to work, and other things as well.
Oh, and to shut people up about my StamDK in a 1vX situation:https://youtu.be/cmRZX1A20zw
I also have videos of me 1v4'ing with my StamDK, and other numerous videos as well that depict both me excelling in PvP in the past and the numerous issues that plague Cyrodiil. All I need do is take them off private, if you or someone else wishes to have a peak.
That was player vs program lol, until the last clip... Dude... You slow! I mean AC much lol?
@Waffennacht LOL! Player vs Program. Lmao.
Take this awesome, bruh-bruh. That made me chuckle. 0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, because...The problem isn't PvP, but the way in which it is implemented, which leads to zerging and comes with a lot of performance issues as well. And there have to be 2 separate skill/attribute sets, one for PvE and one for PvP - because these 2 ways to play the game do not mix well into one. For example, balancing is not a issue in PvE or for a roleplayer, he/she can live with imbalances which might even enhance the gameplay actually - balancing is an issue with PvP only. The issue I have with balancing is, that ZOS is doing it in a way, which is leading to people having to redo their characters all the time and buy those tokens, to be able to do it - I guess their "balancing" is actually a matter of how to drain money from PvP players by making it so, that they will have to buy those tokens and change their characters over and over and over again.Edited by Lysette on April 29, 2017 3:54PM1 -
Taylor_MB✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, because...@Torbschka
Oh, and to shut people up about my StamDK in a 1vX situation:https://youtu.be/cmRZX1A20zw
I also have videos of me 1v4'ing with my StamDK, and other numerous videos as well that depict both me excelling in PvP in the past and the numerous issues that plague Cyrodiil. All I need do is take them off private, if you or someone else wishes to have a peak.
It's legitimately sad you think this clip displays your 1vx skills.
• You happened to find 3 people worse then you (two of which under CP160!!!)
• Your skills use is abysmal and reflects that of someone with very low understanding of PvP mechanics and their build
1) Spamming wings three times in a row
2) Executing when above 50%
3) Failing to light weave
4) No burst and no DoT's
This is not an example of you excelling at PvP, you are fooling no one but yourself.PvP Defensive Set Comparison
Firestarter MagDK 1vX - build and gamplay!
LagPlar Ranged Lag Proof(ish) Magplar - build and gamplay!
ShadowGaurd MagBlade Group Utility Tank - build and gamplay!
Oncoming Storm No-CP 11.6k Ward MagSorc - build and gamplay!
My YouTube Chanel11 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭Yes, because...ZOS should commit to truly over-hauling PvP, so it can live up to its incredible potential. As it stands, they chip away at it release by release, with all the intelligence and direction of a sea slug.
If they are not going to grab the bull by the horns and deal with the issue then yes, they may as well remove it from the game because it's simply garbage as it is today. It's amazing that over 3 years they actually managed to make it worse than it was at release time.2 -
hassubhai✭✭✭No, because...Because this game wouldnt even be half as big as it is without pvp and pvp is the only reason i used to play this sorry excuse for an mmo1
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, because...The problem isn't PvP, but the way in which it is implemented, which leads to zerging and comes with a lot of performance issues as well. And there have to be 2 separate skill/attribute sets, one for PvE and one for PvP - because these 2 ways to play the game do not mix well into one. For example, balancing is not a issue in PvE or for a roleplayer, he/she can live with imbalances which might even enhance the gameplay actually - balancing is an issue with PvP only. The issue I have with balancing is, that ZOS is doing it in a way, which is leading to people having to redo their characters all the time and buy those tokens, to be able to do it - I guess their "balancing" is actually a matter of how to drain money from PvP players by making it so, that they will have to buy those tokens and change their characters over and over and over again.
@Lysette I agree with you entirely. And by the way, I'm happy to read your posts again. If only people can have a difference of opinion, and get them across with use of logic and respect for the people in disagreement with them. These forums would be so much better. I'm telling you.
I mean, more than half of the people who are against PvP being removed aren't even giving reasons why. But rather flaming, and not even putting for an effort of explaining why it should stay. Some people are legitimately getting upset and snapping at a question being asked, and attacking the person asking the question. Rather than attacking the question of itself, and putting forth reasons to back their claims and opinions.
There have even a few people who are for PvP staying that post reasons that I agree with. And I'm all for it being removed. You know? I'm a guy who's a fan of logic and reason. If there's a strong supporting reason behind something, or even a decent 1 at best. Then I'm all for it. I'm not 1 of those people who completely tune someone out, all because I have a difference of opinion. N'ah. I'm looking for actual debate in civilized and intelligent form.Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 29, 2017 3:59PM1 -
Skinzz✭✭✭✭✭No, because...It's the alliance war for a reason.Anybody got a group? LFG, anybody? Hello?3 -
Torbschka✭✭✭✭No, because...@Torbschka
There was also this:https://youtu.be/dzR9WGcyjp4
And this:https://youtu.be/oz0ymODBlD8
And of course this:https://youtu.be/EclrB5dzahs
There's even more videos that I have listed under private, ranging from doors failing to work, and other things as well.
Oh, and to shut people up about my StamDK in a 1vX situation:https://youtu.be/cmRZX1A20zw
I also have videos of me 1v4'ing with my StamDK, and other numerous videos as well that depict both me excelling in PvP in the past and the numerous issues that plague Cyrodiil. All I need do is take them off private, if you or someone else wishes to have a peak.
The fact alone u bring up those clips to show how great of a pvper u are is enough to dont take anything serious from u regarding pvp.11 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, because...@Torbschka
There was also this:https://youtu.be/dzR9WGcyjp4
And this:https://youtu.be/oz0ymODBlD8
And of course this:https://youtu.be/EclrB5dzahs
There's even more videos that I have listed under private, ranging from doors failing to work, and other things as well.
Oh, and to shut people up about my StamDK in a 1vX situation:https://youtu.be/cmRZX1A20zw
I also have videos of me 1v4'ing with my StamDK, and other numerous videos as well that depict both me excelling in PvP in the past and the numerous issues that plague Cyrodiil. All I need do is take them off private, if you or someone else wishes to have a peak.
The fact alone u bring up those clips to show how great of a pvper u are is enough to dont take anything serious from u regarding pvp.
... Ugh. Why did I even bother. Out of all of that, that's what you focused on. Not the premise of WHY I posted it. -_- *Facepalm.*0 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (please specify).Separate servers for each. Balance skills separately. Keep both.
I have no interest in PvP at all. I do, however, appreciate that many folks enjoy it and that it is a desired aspect to an MMO. Yet, trying to balance PvE and PvP does seem to cause problems for both.
As a PvE explorer, I would love to roam dear old Oblivion haunts like Bravil in peace.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo4 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, because...@Torbschka
There was also this:https://youtu.be/dzR9WGcyjp4
And this:https://youtu.be/oz0ymODBlD8
And of course this:https://youtu.be/EclrB5dzahs
There's even more videos that I have listed under private, ranging from doors failing to work, and other things as well.
Oh, and to shut people up about my StamDK in a 1vX situation:https://youtu.be/cmRZX1A20zw
I also have videos of me 1v4'ing with my StamDK, and other numerous videos as well that depict both me excelling in PvP in the past and the numerous issues that plague Cyrodiil. All I need do is take them off private, if you or someone else wishes to have a peak.
The fact alone u bring up those clips to show how great of a pvper u are is enough to dont take anything serious from u regarding pvp.
... Ugh. Why did I even bother. Out of all of that, that's what you focused on. Not the premise of WHY I posted it. -_- *Facepalm.*
Let me put it this way man. It's not that we hate PvE. It's that there no longer any challenge in it. That the stories have been read and read again. That the dungeon spawn points are memorized to the point I literally fall asleep and wake up to a dead boss veteran solo.
The only competition left is the other Uber PvP player, the only excitement left is trying to destroy another highly skilled player4 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭No, because...What?Xbox NA - Oompa
Khajiit DK Tank
Founder of Major Aegis
Main Tank of Dissonant Crusade Uprising Savages0 -
Taylor_MB✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, because...@Torbschka
There was also this:https://youtu.be/dzR9WGcyjp4
And this:https://youtu.be/oz0ymODBlD8
And of course this:https://youtu.be/EclrB5dzahs
There's even more videos that I have listed under private, ranging from doors failing to work, and other things as well.
Oh, and to shut people up about my StamDK in a 1vX situation:https://youtu.be/cmRZX1A20zw
I also have videos of me 1v4'ing with my StamDK, and other numerous videos as well that depict both me excelling in PvP in the past and the numerous issues that plague Cyrodiil. All I need do is take them off private, if you or someone else wishes to have a peak.
The fact alone u bring up those clips to show how great of a pvper u are is enough to dont take anything serious from u regarding pvp.
... Ugh. Why did I even bother. Out of all of that, that's what you focused on. Not the premise of WHY I posted it. -_- *Facepalm.*
You are the one in multiple posts trying to toot your own PvP credentials when everything you post is evidence against yourself. You bring up your "experience" and "excellence" because you think it automatically adds credence to your opinions, unsurprisingly lying does not go down well. He is focusing on it because you brought it up, unsolicited on multiple posts, don't try and deflect.
PvP should stay, obviously, because people enjoy it, despite its many many flaws. It's effect on balance? Minimal - see my original post.PvP Defensive Set Comparison
Firestarter MagDK 1vX - build and gamplay!
LagPlar Ranged Lag Proof(ish) Magplar - build and gamplay!
ShadowGaurd MagBlade Group Utility Tank - build and gamplay!
Oncoming Storm No-CP 11.6k Ward MagSorc - build and gamplay!
My YouTube Chanel8 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, because...AcadianPaladin wrote: »Separate servers for each. Balance skills separately. Keep both.
I have no interest in PvP at all. I do, however, appreciate that many folks enjoy it and that it is a desired aspect to an MMO. Yet, trying to balance PvE and PvP does seem to cause problems for both.
As a PvE explorer, I would love to roam dear old Oblivion haunts like Bravil in peace.
Does not even have to be separate servers - ESO has phasing - there could be PvP phases and PvE phases in Cyrrodil at the same time and both would not interfere with each other, because no phase can see the others. Done like this, it could even be stretched out to all of Tamriel - which would give PvP players a lot more possibilties, without to interfere with the PvE phases - we could have both at will - joining PvE phases would remove all PvP in that phase, and joining PvP phases would bring war to all of Tamriel - this would be good for all and it could be changed at will without to have to choose a server.1 -
bloodthirstyvampire✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, because...No mostly because i just started pvp no pve content could give me such a rush even vma is childs play after 2 or 3 timesEdited by bloodthirstyvampire on April 29, 2017 4:28PM1 -
D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭No, because...Wtf am i going to do run trials for horrible gear drops?
What a ridiculous thread.1 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, because.....removing pve would fix the problem if we use the same logic.4 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, because...Ch4mp do you really think ZoS would have to remove PvP to have balance? It's not PvP 's fault the devs do the things they do.
I cite shield stacking, we, the sorc majority at the time, was like:. "Ok yeah it's a bit OP, we can live with a minor major system". ZoS be like: "oh? Ok... DURATION NERF!"
[Edit to remove reference of removed content]Edited by [Deleted User] on April 29, 2017 5:06PM2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, because...@Ch4mpTW my opinion about PvP in ESO has been that PvP should not have been in the game in the first place - that was a wrong design decision IMO, to make it PvP instead of a cooperative environment. But ZOS has made this decision and for some people PvP is the only reason to play ESO - we cannot simply phase them out - well, not in this was, but ZOS could use their phasing mechanics to separate PvP from PvE, so that people can choose, if they want to join PvP phases and have war all over Tamriel or if they want pure PvE - joinging PvE phases only - and then there is everywhere a cease fire and they can play the game in a PvE like manner everywhere - this would not be difficult to do - the base technology for it is there.
But I think, ZOS is intentionally not balancing the game - but switch it from one side to the other in order to drain money from PvP players as well - by selling them those change tokens - and the more they switch the balance from one class to the other, the more tokens can be sold - I deem ZOS that nasty actually, they are greedy.2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, because...Waffennacht wrote: »Ch4mp do you really think ZoS would have to remove PvP to have balance? It's not PvP 's fault the devs do the things they do.
I cite shield stacking, we, the sorc majority at the time, was like:. "Ok yeah it's a bit OP, we can live with a minor major system". ZoS be like: "oh? Ok... DURATION NERF!"
Solid point. But, yeah. At this point? Yeah. Lol. If you saw the ESO Live the other day, and heard what Rich had to say about why they won't seperate PvE and PvP balancing... Yeah. Just... Yeah. It would have to be removed. Lmao.Edited by [Deleted User] on April 29, 2017 5:06PM0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, because...Vipstaakki wrote: »Removing PvP would get rid off a lot of the toxicity in ESO.
@Vipstaakki Definitely. Without a doubt. And I'm not even going to pretend, and act like PvE doesnt have it's bad apples. Because, I have ran into them on numerous occasions. It becomes inevitable once you get involved with the end-game scene, and aiming for hard mode trial completions. But, it pales strongly in comparison to those that's I've encountered in PvP. I don't know if this is because PvP by nature is competitive, and thus leading to elevated intensity. But, the toxicity in PvP is pretty horrible. And it's only going to continue getting worse and worse as time goes on.Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 29, 2017 4:36PM0 -
Nivellan✭✭✭Gotta be the worst thread ive ever seenPC NA
Azandara, Azuretha - Templar
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