Leaked - new eso plus bonus. Double bank space. What do you think?

Aquanova

They should include guild bank space too if you happen to be the GM. 500 slots is too little. But I'm very excited about this addition to sub perks.

GwJSVDShark

Well, I got a house and parked a banker in there so the house had some storage value. Of course with 6 chars doing daily chores, the bank filled up fast.

So how about, instead of happy gimmicks, can we get storage in the house?

I mean, right now it's a pretty place that sits unused as i have no use for it. it's too far from dailies, horse trainers and the game tends to crash when leaving the house anyway, so it sits alone and abandoned.

If it was storage I'd go visit my house daily, but otherwise it's a nice to have and that's about it.

Muramasa89

People are really getting riled up over this being "P2W". I've been playing RuneScape for over a decade and in all that time, members (i.e. those who pay real money for in-game advantages) have always had more bank space. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find a single person who actually considers extra bank space P2W over there, compared to their actual P2W schemes (Treasure Hunter). I have to admit, I find the mentality strange.

DeadlyPhoenix

TheStealthDude wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

TheStealthDude wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

TheStealthDude wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I'm a Sub-for-Life, and I'm torn.

Real-world money buying in-game advantages is inherently bad. It obliterates the integrity of the RPG experience.

On the other hand, selling inventory/bank space in the Crown store isn't a thing I would normally have trouble with.

I suppose if it were "subs automatically get all possible inventory and bank space open to them," I wouldn't have a problem with it. But access to space non-subs don't have seems like an unfair advantage to me, and you can't buy unfair advantages in good games.

Honestly, I'm disappointed. I was really hoping they'd come up with a new financial-advantage value-add for ESO+, not an in-game advantage. I have no idea what that might have been, though.

What actual advantage is it buying? None. An advantage would be some OP weapon or armor you could only obtain through the store that would absolutely lay waste to anything in game. But we already have bank slots that can be purchased....But hey who knows, maybe youve never visited the Crown Store.

Well, if you don't see getting to spend more time playing actually-enjoyable parts of the game and less time playing the Inventory Minigame as an advantage, there's probably no point arguing. But I live in hope (and I'm the kind of idiot who just doesn't recognize a lost cause some times), so here are a few more (that should be self-evident):

• More time spent doing content that moves your character towards BiS gear, less time dealing with inventory.
• More time spent doing content that improves player skill and familiarity with mechanics, less time dealing with inventory.
• More inventory to store items that aren't useful yet but will be when you have a 5-piece set.
• More inventory to store items for present and future alts.
• More inventory to store sets that aren't useful yet but will be when future changes take place.

There's a lot more to the game than just the combat, but even if that's the only thing you that matters to you, more inventory space still helps you improve yourself in combat.

While this is an advantage, it doesn't provide a competitive advantage over any other player when competing against said player.

The extra bank spaces are purely a pay-for-convenience perk, as opposed to a Pay-to-Win advantage. Inventory management is not a competitive endeavor in this game.

The items in inventory are so therefore, increasing the pool of possible items actually does create a clear competitive advantage for the following:

-trading
-gear upgrades
-holding stuff for others
-allowing ppl to clear out or overbuy guild store items

So if it's only accessible via real money, yeah....that is a form of pay2win it's just not immediate so that's why you're arguing over it. The timeframe is not what makes it pay2win, the access means is what determines this

For once you and I actually seem to agree on a p2w concept lol. It really is p2w whether people want to admit it or not. Anything giving a paying player an advantage over one who pays nothing, is what I define as p2w, regardless of the degree to the advantage or the length of time to acquire said advantage.

Pay-to-Win means that 1) you pay and 2) you get an advantage in a competitive activity, where one person can win.

I have described the competitive activities where someone can "win" in this game. Unless there are other competivie activites in this game, I have demonstrated how bank slots to not provide any competitive advantage in those activites.

Now, I am not saying there are no P2W elements in this game, because there certainly are (however small they might be), but this isn't one of them.

Read my previous post. Once again you people assume there is only one way to win in an mmorpg.... Just because you play to be "competitive" in PvP or PvE, doesn't mean everyone does. Some play to trade, others to roleplay, others to socialize, others to explore, others to collect, others for the story....

It gives a clear "competitive advantage" if your desired competition happens to be anything trade related and not combat based.

Is role playing, socializing, exploring, collecting, or engaging in the story a competitive activity?

No, but trade definitely is. Those others are simply examples of other things that people care about rather than competitive things.

Trade is extremely competitive though, first day in game or end game.

Gold is always BiS.

PS

I am all for having more bank space and as I said before, I have 5 months of ESO+ remaining and I'm not against them giving it to subbers.... But for one they need to lower the cost of in game upgrades so your average player can meet the cap and they also need to give everyone more storage in general.

2000 new individual items added with Homestead, but no inventory space to put them. This doesnt even include recipes, motifs, mats, 2000 is just new furniture. Without ESO+ Good luck with their inventory management minigame.

DeadlyPhoenix

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@DeadlyPhoenix

Get your point about playing ESO for different reasons, but if you are playing ESO mainly because you like to be a merchant and get into the housing business, then shouldn't you also have your economy in real life in order, so that you can afford a subscription?

@ChaosWotan

Can't just assume that because I like to play the market and can gamble with fake money in a game that I can also do the same in real life. People come from all walks of life, backgrounds, and have all different wages. I may be a highly skilled tradesman, but a bad choice in life, bad investment, or a desire to do something else for a living even if it is a struggle, prevents me from earning enough to justify spending on a game.

Not to mention adults that have teenagers themselves, maybe saving for college, are in college, multiple kids, grandkids, mortgages, car loans, student loans, etc etc, may not have that spare $15 sitting around they can spend. Get them online though and that's how they like to unwind, playing the market.

Velvelya

I'd rather be able to store stuff in my house then have extra bank space tbh.

Domander

Very nice, one other thing I wish they would add is the ability to manage all of your character's inventories at once.

Didgerion

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

Looks like we are getting back to the old model where the subscribtion was mandatory but with no DLC commitment this time.
GG Zosi seriously!

Knootewoot

Nice. Bankspace is good.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Who cares, I only have 90 bankspace and are fine with it, I also have millions of gold and all the armor sets I need.

FloppyTouch

Why not just add it to our homes with ESO plus or some where to put all my extra furniture

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

What do I think to it?
Zo$ can go *** themselves, greed, greed and guess what... more GREED.
Making storage behind a paywall, *** you Zo$, greedy ***.

Ajantisz

Rickter wrote: »

I think this is a wonderful incentive to encourage subscription numbers.

what does WoW give you for your subscription?

what does FFXIV give you for your subscription?

im not saying these games dont give you anything, but im sure they give a lot less.

ESO was founded on subscription. it literally helped fund the game development for consoles. despite no real appreciation being shown for that by zos or other players, we long time consistent subscribers know very well we are literal saviors and unsung heroes of ESO.

you love this game? support it with your wallet.

that being said, ZOS please lower the price of motifs and mounts in the crown store. Dont be like Games Workshop and price loyal customers out of the game.

But im sure those pricings are controlled by Zenimax parent company marketing team forcing ZOS to create items to meet their sales quota figures.

WoW gives nothing. You cannot play without a subscription, so you really I guess get the whole game...but nothing no one else gets as there is no free version, or box price only version.

I've said it before a few times, I would like ESO+ to unlick previous short term collectibles from the crown store. I didnt play this game when the Dragonpriest costume was available, and due to this no matter if I sub or not I cannot ever get it, seemingly. Unlocking that sort of this for say...being subbed for 6months continuously would be nice.

Ajantisz

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

While extending the bank is a good thing, they way they are going about most things is what has concerned me for a long time.

They are charging real money for dlc and chapters (which is fine) ON TOP of requiring a subscription in order to efficiently Manage inventory and housing space (not OK).

While money isn't a problem for me, I don't plan on throwing more money at this game. I'll allow my pre order to stay but I can't foresee me subscribing ever again under this model. The incentive to play this game is becoming non existent as unlocks are primarily real money based rather than progression based and it's not just cosmetics.

The other part of concern....unlike the crafting bag.....what happens after someone losses an active subscription? Do they loose access to items actually in the bank until they re subscribe or do they keep access but loses the ability to bank anything until they remove items to get beneach the 240 or so limit

Probably be like the crafting bag, the "extra" space is locked off from deposits, but you can withdraw what is in there. Personally I would hope they are clever enough to set the ESO+ space as an extra bank slot or bag and not simply an expansion of the existing bank slot limit, so that you can still use the basic bank without having to move everything around in your ESO+ bonus space before you can use your bank again. I would also think it reasonable they set a time limit on how long they will store your extra while not subbed, for example 50% of sub time to a minimum of 1 month, before they auto-purge it, like mail....hell they may just mail everything to you.

ArvenAldmeri

I think its a great idea. They gain a lot of subs that way. And since I am always sub and dont plan to change that I am happy.

Cathexis

Muramasa89 wrote: »

People are really getting riled up over this being "P2W". I've been playing RuneScape for over a decade and in all that time, members (i.e. those who pay real money for in-game advantages) have always had more bank space. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find a single person who actually considers extra bank space P2W over there, compared to their actual P2W schemes (Treasure Hunter). I have to admit, I find the mentality strange.

The problem is that many people don't see the relationship between game variables and the directly competitive components of the game. For some players, having more inventory space is not a factor which affects their success. Either because they determine success in an area of the game where inventory is unrelated, or they adopt a strategy which does not depend on inventory for success.

Taking PvP as an example, a cookie cutter noobsauce zombie zerg fiend will likely not see inventory as a factor of success because they are pusswussy cats who hide in zergs or numbers and only play unkillable metas. They view PvP from a roleplay perspective and so do not pursue an actively competitive style of play, instead prefering to moan on the forums about "tryhards" until the competitive factors of the game are reduced to mindless healbotting. However, a real pvp'er who enjoys playing a variety of fighting styles and competing, taking risks that may result in dieing, and not hiding behind a zerg to 40v1, a broader array of gear provides a tactical advantage, making more inventory space a valuable competitive asset.

Pops_ND_Irish

Love it

Thank you ZoS

Saturnana

I don't mind them expanding bank size for ESO+ members, though I probably won't be using it for a while since I haven't even upgraded my bank space fully yet. Would have loved to see them add something as a genuine extra, and not an expansion on already available functionality. Feels a bit like a pay-gate..

Transairion

Going to add my opinion as a "Non-sub" player here but I think it's a pretty disgraceful choice purely made to entice $$$ even more.


My bank space is maxed out, and it's almost entirely filled with crafting materials with maybe 10-20 armor peices total. I don't have the crafting bag, obviously, if I did my bank would be almost entirely empty; WITHOUT the crafting bag I can't even keep every crafting material I pick up, I vendor everything that is Green quality and below. That's a massive amount of mats people. I only keep the rare ones and even THEN I still don't have any space with it maxed out, and maxed out horse. Lack of storage is a huge issue for non-subs without the crafting bag.

This is Free to Play game behavior, pure and simple: nobody cares about F2P player because they paid nothing, so they're entitled to nothing but whatever is offered.

ESO is not Free to Play. It cost me as much as a full-price game, more actually, back when it released: even then it only came with 1 month sub and if I hadn't forked out more money I wouldn't have been able to play at all. My favorite part of ESO now rather than then is the fact it doesn't force a subscription upon me and I'm free to drop and pick up the game at my leisure.

Why are you treating non-subs like they're completely worthless to you @ZOS? I can assure you the masses of nonsubs playing this game are the one filling your pockets because they're the ones buying the endless waves of Crown Store items.

I don't mind if you give subs 1000+ storage spaces in their banks, but don't leave non-subs struggling with the limited storage we have: subs already have double, triple the storage we do because all their crafting materials are stored outside the bank. Go ahead and give them more, sure, but don't just ignore you OTHER paying customers because "non-sub". Why alienate us?


TLDR: Double everyone's storage, then give subscription double storage on top of that. Everyone's storage is then improved, subs just get improved more.

Don't leave your non-sub paying customers in the dark with banks full of crafting materials.

Sovaso

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TX12001rwb17_ESO

What about the players who have spent more money buying crowns then players who only get crowns from the monthly sub? technically the former has done more to support the game then the latter have so why should the latter be compensated for their preferred method of support? hell the original boons were enough and that was before the crafting bag, anymore buffs for them would start to seem like more of an apology to the players who threatened to cancel their sub fee after learning that Morrowind was not free to them.

NewBlacksmurf

Ajantisz wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

While extending the bank is a good thing, they way they are going about most things is what has concerned me for a long time.

They are charging real money for dlc and chapters (which is fine) ON TOP of requiring a subscription in order to efficiently Manage inventory and housing space (not OK).

While money isn't a problem for me, I don't plan on throwing more money at this game. I'll allow my pre order to stay but I can't foresee me subscribing ever again under this model. The incentive to play this game is becoming non existent as unlocks are primarily real money based rather than progression based and it's not just cosmetics.

The other part of concern....unlike the crafting bag.....what happens after someone losses an active subscription? Do they loose access to items actually in the bank until they re subscribe or do they keep access but loses the ability to bank anything until they remove items to get beneach the 240 or so limit

Probably be like the crafting bag, the "extra" space is locked off from deposits, but you can withdraw what is in there. Personally I would hope they are clever enough to set the ESO+ space as an extra bank slot or bag and not simply an expansion of the existing bank slot limit, so that you can still use the basic bank without having to move everything around in your ESO+ bonus space before you can use your bank again. I would also think it reasonable they set a time limit on how long they will store your extra while not subbed, for example 50% of sub time to a minimum of 1 month, before they auto-purge it, like mail....hell they may just mail everything to you.

That's an extremely poor idea ...ZOS' idea not your comments.

Just scrolling through this thread and another, it's another thing that will create negative feedback and lots of Internet arguing

Guess they don't care tho

Darkstorne

Transairion wrote: »

Going to add my opinion as a "Non-sub" player here but I think it's a pretty disgraceful choice purely made to entice $$$ even more.


My bank space is maxed out, and it's almost entirely filled with crafting materials with maybe 10-20 armor peices total. I don't have the crafting bag, obviously, if I did my bank would be almost entirely empty; WITHOUT the crafting bag I can't even keep every crafting material I pick up, I vendor everything that is Green quality and below. That's a massive amount of mats people. I only keep the rare ones and even THEN I still don't have any space with it maxed out, and maxed out horse. Lack of storage is a huge issue for non-subs without the crafting bag.

This is Free to Play game behavior, pure and simple: nobody cares about F2P player because they paid nothing, so they're entitled to nothing but whatever is offered.

ESO is not Free to Play. It cost me as much as a full-price game, more actually, back when it released: even then it only came with 1 month sub and if I hadn't forked out more money I wouldn't have been able to play at all. My favorite part of ESO now rather than then is the fact it doesn't force a subscription upon me and I'm free to drop and pick up the game at my leisure.

Why are you treating non-subs like they're completely worthless to you @ZOS? I can assure you the masses of nonsubs playing this game are the one filling your pockets because they're the ones buying the endless waves of Crown Store items.

I don't mind if you give subs 1000+ storage spaces in their banks, but don't leave non-subs struggling with the limited storage we have: subs already have double, triple the storage we do because all their crafting materials are stored outside the bank. Go ahead and give them more, sure, but don't just ignore you OTHER paying customers because "non-sub". Why alienate us?


TLDR: Double everyone's storage, then give subscription double storage on top of that. Everyone's storage is then improved, subs just get improved more.

Don't leave your non-sub paying customers in the dark with banks full of crafting materials.

Well said. I went through a long period of not subbing, but that didn't mean I didn't pay. I bought all the DLC individually, and I've always supported ZOS through the Crown Store. They promised that the Store would be an alternative way to play, with subs not being mandatory, yet *** like this and the crafting bag is reversing all those promises and treating non-subs like crap. If you're going to do that, I WILL be demanding a Crown refund on my DLC purchases, since I will no longer be able to unsub for a few months if I'm going to be too busy to play regularly and still enjoy the game when I do play. This will cause havoc with storage which is already a pain in the ass.

Jemcrystal

It's a good plan.

Tai-Chi

I am in my 3rd year of continuous ESO+ membership and welcome this addition to my subscription.

Having said that, there are matters that are unclear to me. I set out an example to illustrate my point.

Let's say I currently have 200 bank space.
To max out the spaces, I can either:-

1. Buy 2 x 10 spaces with Gold, costing 80,000 + 85,000 Gold respectively - thus 165,000 Gold total.
2. Buy 2 x 10 spaces at 1,000 Crowns per 10 - so 2,000 Crowns total.

I would then have 240 slots, so when update 14 arrives, I will have double max bank space, thus 280 slots.

If I wait until after Update 14 is implementd, am I right in assuming that only my 200 bank spaces will be doubled and so increase to 400 slots?

If that is the case, then I would need to buy 8 x 10 more slots (either with Crowns or Gold) to bring my bank slots up to the max of 480 slots? That would work out at 8 x 1,000 Crowns - thus 8,000 Crowns at current rates.

How much Gold would I need to make up the 80 extra spaces?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno
Can you, or anyone else at ZOS please explain to me how the system will work in practice?

Thank-you.

Nahtal

Cathexis wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

Only to say: nice keep up the good work

How is sub 2 win for an excessively overdue feature "good work."

Edit; not content, not even feature, just a necessary game mechanic.

I know it looks weird when someone does not complains Its a battle between non-sub and active subs. You still can win without sub, do not see any difficulties here. If you love ESO you are sub (and still be responsible with what you buy) Complains about crown crates are more relevant, then complains about subscription.

NewBlacksmurf

Tai-Chi wrote: »

I am in my 3rd year of continuous ESO+ membership and welcome this addition to my subscription.

Having said that, there are matters that are unclear to me. I set out an example to illustrate my point.

Let's say I currently have 200 bank space.
To max out the spaces, I can either:-

1. Buy 2 x 10 spaces with Gold, costing 80,000 + 85,000 Gold respectively - thus 165,000 Gold total.
2. Buy 2 x 10 spaces at 1,000 Crowns per 10 - so 2,000 Crowns total.

I would then have 240 slots, so when update 14 arrives, I will have double max bank space, thus 280 slots.

If I wait until after Update 14 is implementd, am I right in assuming that only my 200 bank spaces will be doubled and so increase to 400 slots?

If that is the case, then I would need to buy 8 x 10 more slots (either with Crowns or Gold) to bring my bank slots up to the max of 480 slots? That would work out at 8 x 1,000 Crowns - thus 8,000 Crowns at current rates.

How much Gold would I need to make up the 80 extra spaces?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno
Can you, or anyone else at ZOS please explain to me how the system will work in practice?

Thank-you.

@Tai-Chi
I think you're complicating it. While details will come later, it's being discussed as literally doubling your bank.
So what ever your bank is....double it. If you increase it...the double is based on the non subscriber bank total

I.e.: 200 is 400
If 200 becomes 240 it's 480

akl77

Don't need the double bank space, but no harm for sure.

Xsorus

The only sad part is i have to wait till June

GrigorijMalahevich

Great news! Make upgrades cheaper and x2 as items in the bank with new content just massively increase and with Morrowind coming up...

The inventory management is getting very out of hand as you ideally want a PvP; PvE and VMA set on every character, but if you want 1-3 setups of each it gets just ridiculous...

Also note worthy that you want monster sets each item in light/medium/heavy and in Divines/Impen and ideally infused on helm. While you wait for your ideal monster piece, you can't really sell/deconstruct the ones you already have, as you never know if you will get that Impen Skeleton heavy helmet or you just have to accept Sturdy...

That makes just crazy amounts of useless items in the bank that is by miles not BiS, but you can't throw them away as for this particular moment they are BiS from what you can actually equip.


P.S. is there an addon that helps you browse through inventory on all of my characters? Like If I am about to pickup Divines Light Engine Guardian helmet - it says that I already have one or something similar.