Leaked - new eso plus bonus. Double bank space. What do you think?

emily3989 · April 2017

Rickter wrote: »

I think this is a wonderful incentive to encourage subscription numbers.

what does WoW give you for your subscription?

what does FFXIV give you for your subscription?

im not saying these games dont give you anything, but im sure they give a lot less.

ESO was founded on subscription. it literally helped fund the game development for consoles. despite no real appreciation being shown for that by zos or other players, we long time consistent subscribers know very well we are literal saviors and unsung heroes of ESO.

you love this game? support it with your wallet.

that being said, ZOS please lower the price of motifs and mounts in the crown store. Dont be like Games Workshop and price loyal customers out of the game.

But im sure those pricings are controlled by Zenimax parent company marketing team forcing ZOS to create items to meet their sales quota figures.

WOW let's you play the game with a subscription. Pretty important

MasterSpatula · April 2017

I'm a Sub-for-Life, and I'm torn.

Real-world money buying in-game advantages is inherently bad. It obliterates the integrity of the RPG experience.

On the other hand, selling inventory/bank space in the Crown store isn't a thing I would normally have trouble with.

I suppose if it were "subs automatically get all possible inventory and bank space open to them," I wouldn't have a problem with it. But access to space non-subs don't have seems like an unfair advantage to me, and you can't buy unfair advantages in good games.

Honestly, I'm disappointed. I was really hoping they'd come up with a new financial-advantage value-add for ESO+, not an in-game advantage. I have no idea what that might have been, though.

Rex-Umbra · April 2017

Need more house slots

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2017

On the positive side, this give more value to ESO plus and returns some of the Value that was taken from it when 1 of the quarterly DLCs was magically renamed to "chapter" and taken out of the subscription business model.

On the negative side. Say goodbye to ANY chance of housing coming with permanent storage EVER.

Also say good bye to any forum thread asking for any sort of purchasable storage increase in any way.

Here is an example:

Forum Thread: ZOS give us storage in housing
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

Forum Thread: ZOS give us more purchasable bank space
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

Forum Thread: ZOS give us a way to combine gear into 1 item as a whole outfit
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

So on the one hand, this is a great idea. On the other, I am afraid that this will prevent some quality of life changes from coming to the base game.

There is a greater issue here. ZOS makes a product and we buy it. But what we buy is slowly changing.

It feels that we are paying more and more for convenience and utility, instead of content.

I want ZOS to sell me CONTENT, not create INCONVENIENCE and then sell a solution to that. I am afraid that if ZOS makes more money selling convenience than content then whenever there is a problem with their game, (like the inventory hell we have had for the last few years) then instead of fixing it, they sell us a solution to a problem they initially caused.

Most of us want more mounts, more furnishing, more costumes, more lands, more skills, more of the stuff that's actually fun to play. Storage should have never been this big of a pain but I feel I spent more time playing Elder Inventory Management Online than I do the actual game.

It is an economic truism that what ever makes money, you get more of that thing. So if ZOS makes more money selling fixes to problems, then we are going to get more problems (and then Monetizable fixes)

Agalloch · April 2017

This is a little pay to win.....

Too bad ..because I'm a huge fan of the ES games and ESO MMO .

We pay almost for everything ..but for an increased bank space.....?

ESO become almost like the free to play titles...but the difference is we pay for everything.

I hope the devs will think about some inventory or bank spaces for non subscribers too..and after that everything will be ok.

I want to know what's gonna happen for a subscriber if he cancel is subscription...he will loose the items...until next sub or he will receive 240 mails?....Or he will must buy an item from Crown Store to keep them?

Please include Chapters in ESO + and this will be the best incentive to subscribe besides Crafting Bag.

English is not my native language.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

On the positive side, this give more value to ESO plus and returns some of the Value that was taken from it when 1 of the quarterly DLCs was magically renamed to "chapter" and taken out of the subscription business model.

On the negative side. Say goodbye to ANY chance of housing coming with permanent storage EVER.

Also say good bye to any forum thread asking for any sort of purchasable storage increase in any way.

Here is an example:

Forum Thread: ZOS give us storage in housing
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

Forum Thread: ZOS give us more purchasable bank space
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

Forum Thread: ZOS give us a way to combine gear into 1 item as a whole outfit
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

So on the one hand, this is a great idea. On the other, I am afraid that this will prevent some quality of life changes from coming to the base game.

I think the words "can't" should be replaced with "unlikely"

bulbousb16_ESO · April 2017

I'm excited! When's Update 14?

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »

This is a little pay to win.....

Too bad ..because I'm a huge fan of the ES games and ESO MMO .

We pay almost for everything ..but for an increased bank space.....?

ESO become almost like the free to play titles...but the difference is we pay for everything.

I hope the devs will think about some inventory or bank spaces for non subscribers too..and after that everything will be ok.

I want to know what's gonna happen for a subscriber if he cancel is subscription...he will loose the items...until next sub or he will receive 240 mails?....Or he will must buy an item from Crown Store to keep them?

Please include Chapters in ESO + and this will be the best incentive to subscribe besides Crafting Bag.

English is not my native language.

It is in no way P2W...

Doubling your bank space gives you no palpable advantage in the actual playing of the game, and it in no way gives you a game play advantage over a non-subscriber who has half the bank space a subscriber does.

So this is not Pay to Win.

And don't worry, your English is just fine, and you actually use it better than quite a few people on these Forums for whom English is their mother tongue...

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm excited! When's Update 14?

Update 14 is the Update that comes with Morrowind on June 6th.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

On the positive side, this give more value to ESO plus and returns some of the Value that was taken from it when 1 of the quarterly DLCs was magically renamed to "chapter" and taken out of the subscription business model.

On the negative side. Say goodbye to ANY chance of housing coming with permanent storage EVER.

Also say good bye to any forum thread asking for any sort of purchasable storage increase in any way.

Here is an example:

Forum Thread: ZOS give us storage in housing
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

Forum Thread: ZOS give us more purchasable bank space
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

Forum Thread: ZOS give us a way to combine gear into 1 item as a whole outfit
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

So on the one hand, this is a great idea. On the other, I am afraid that this will prevent some quality of life changes from coming to the base game.

I think the words "can't" should be replaced with "unlikely"

Well most people will phrase it like "ZOS will never do that because...."

It's a form of an inherency argument that is very common on these forums but is not very intellectually rigorous and is sort of a "Stop Thought" that derails threads and poisons some very good suggestions coming from people that post on these forums.

When someone comes up with a great suggestion and posts it to the forums, we should discuss that suggestion based on its own merits. The standard for whether an idea is a good idea or not is whether, if implemented, it would bring value and benefits to the players. Once we have established whether the idea, if implemented, has value, we can then discuss whether its feasable, or whether ZOS is willing to implement it,etc. Having the second discussion before the first kills the idea in its crib before we can really talk about it.

When someone replies to the post, assuming they know the hearts and minds of the developers and says something like "ZOS will never do that," it derails the thread, and makes tons of unhelpful assumptions.

In the case of storage, I think there is a real conflict of interest. Storage is already heavily involved with ESO plus due to the crafting bag. This change I think would prevent ZOS from every instituting any other storage-related upgrade in the game that is purchasable with gold or crown.

The end result, if you examine the slippery slope, is that this game becomes so frustrating to play if you aren't subscribed as ZOS will make decisions about adding even more item types based on the premise that people will be subscribed.

I think subscribing should have value but I don't want to see a future where only subscribers can be free of massive inventory headaches.

Mettaricana · April 2017

Yeah since my inv is filled with crap i cant bank because my stuid bag only holds crafting mats for gear thats been invalid since one tamriel since zos wont buff crafted sets or add jewelry crafting to balance it

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2017

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I'm a Sub-for-Life, and I'm torn.

Real-world money buying in-game advantages is inherently bad. It obliterates the integrity of the RPG experience.

On the other hand, selling inventory/bank space in the Crown store isn't a thing I would normally have trouble with.

I suppose if it were "subs automatically get all possible inventory and bank space open to them," I wouldn't have a problem with it. But access to space non-subs don't have seems like an unfair advantage to me, and you can't buy unfair advantages in good games.

Honestly, I'm disappointed. I was really hoping they'd come up with a new financial-advantage value-add for ESO+, not an in-game advantage. I have no idea what that might have been, though.

What actual advantage is it buying? None. An advantage would be some OP weapon or armor you could only obtain through the store that would absolutely lay waste to anything in game. But we already have bank slots that can be purchased....But hey who knows, maybe youve never visited the Crown Store.

BlueRaven · April 2017

I am all for this.

I am a ESO+ member and I have hit the max capacity for my bank a number of times, and I am at 240.

So... when is update 14?

...Also can ESO+ members get even more capacity for houses, please? I know we already get double, but perhaps a bit more?

AtraisMachina · April 2017

I think I wish the 15 bucks i spent this month would go towards fixing this broken ass game.

Annalyse · April 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

Does this mean that those who do not subscribe will not get any sort of added storage? We've been begging for additional bank/inventory upgrades as well, and with each new patch comes a whole ton of new materials we need space for.

I like that ESO+ members get things as incentive but this topic really disheartens me. I can only imagine that this will mean no storage for housing and no options at all for non-subscribers. I would subscribe if I could but I have a very limited income and there just isn't anything left at the end of the month. This is where I come to get away from troubles like that but it's starting to get more and more frustrating.

I think all players are important and I'm sad that we are ignored.

NightbladeMechanics · April 2017

I am so out of bank space it's crazy.

And ZOS needs money to...younknow...exist.

I'm all for this. They'll keep my sub.

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

Ehh ... Personally I'm not concerned about bank space . I was hoping they would add some of the other ideas listed in the suggestion thread .

Lonewolf628 · April 2017

I like the idea. I don't think it's P2W at all as it doesn't give any type of advantage in combat. Companies need to give incentives to paying customers and this is aa way to do that without going the P2W route, in my opinion.

Waseem · April 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

This is stupid since most players who have inventory problems are not eso+ subscribers

This statement is demonstrably false. Plenty of ESO+ subscribers have issues with the limited bank space.

Have you bothered to visit the ESO+ Ideas thread?

Almost literally, every other comment is asking for some sort of bank/inventory increase for subscribers.

Subscribers asked for it, ZOS made it/is making it a reality.

you made it look like players who are not eso+ will deactivate their accounts if their bank space gets doubled

Malakor · April 2017

As someone who has a subscription that is paid through November of 2018, and who often fills up my bank space in between bouts of Deconning items, I say Thank you ZoS.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

On the positive side, this give more value to ESO plus and returns some of the Value that was taken from it when 1 of the quarterly DLCs was magically renamed to "chapter" and taken out of the subscription business model.

On the negative side. Say goodbye to ANY chance of housing coming with permanent storage EVER.

Also say good bye to any forum thread asking for any sort of purchasable storage increase in any way.

Here is an example:

Forum Thread: ZOS give us storage in housing
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

Forum Thread: ZOS give us more purchasable bank space
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

Forum Thread: ZOS give us a way to combine gear into 1 item as a whole outfit
Automatic response: They can't do that because it will interfere with their subscription business model

So on the one hand, this is a great idea. On the other, I am afraid that this will prevent some quality of life changes from coming to the base game.

I think the words "can't" should be replaced with "unlikely"

Well most people will phrase it like "ZOS will never do that because...."

It's a form of an inherency argument that is very common on these forums but is not very intellectually rigorous and is sort of a "Stop Thought" that derails threads and poisons some very good suggestions coming from people that post on these forums.

When someone comes up with a great suggestion and posts it to the forums, we should discuss that suggestion based on its own merits. The standard for whether an idea is a good idea or not is whether, if implemented, it would bring value and benefits to the players. Once we have established whether the idea, if implemented, has value, we can then discuss whether its feasable, or whether ZOS is willing to implement it,etc. Having the second discussion before the first kills the idea in its crib before we can really talk about it.

When someone replies to the post, assuming they know the hearts and minds of the developers and says something like "ZOS will never do that," it derails the thread, and makes tons of unhelpful assumptions.

In the case of storage, I think there is a real conflict of interest. Storage is already heavily involved with ESO plus due to the crafting bag. This change I think would prevent ZOS from every instituting any other storage-related upgrade in the game that is purchasable with gold or crown.

The end result, if you examine the slippery slope, is that this game becomes so frustrating to play if you aren't subscribed as ZOS will make decisions about adding even more item types based on the premise that people will be subscribed.

I think subscribing should have value but I don't want to see a future where only subscribers can be free of massive inventory headaches.

No....I mostly disagree with everything you've said but I do agree on the merit of discussing ideas.

ZOS creates situations which allow for real money to meet where the base game development lacks. So when discussing whether something can, can't or will happen as well as if it makes sense, a lot of that is opinionated.

Factually, in this discussion, ZOS can offer but is unlikely if we assume or accept that the base design and the real money montezation is all intended.

I base my discussion on earlier interviews in 2012-2013 in addition to the 014 dialogues around their subscription model desires. From the start, it's been all about delaying releasing content and creating or forcing players to log in frequently

When the subscription requirement was removed they just tiered the requirement from all, to most. So here's why I suggested unlikely is more appropriate than can't.

they are choosing to gate and monetize features, cosmetics, dlc and chapter while communicating their game is buy 2 play.
Their game requires payment of some type so while it's less strict, it's far more expensive but their design also changes every year.......so can't is not appropriate in this situation, it's a matter of decision for them is all

Edit - there's absolutely no conflict on interest....there could be a lack of motivation to change in favor of some customer feedback and offer less monetized experiences

Dark_Aether · April 2017

People do not realize that moves like this do not add value to subscription, it takes away value of the B2P model. There will be only two options if they continue down this path, buy the game and subscribe or do not bother at all.

Before you ask, I am currently subscribed because I want to support them, but I'm reconsidering...

NewBlacksmurf · April 2017

Dark_Aether wrote: »

People do not realize that moves like this do not add value to subscription, it takes away value of the B2P model. There will be only two options if they continue down this path, buy the game and subscribe or do not bother at all.

Before you ask, I am currently subscribe because I want to support them, but I'm reconsidering...

Exactly..... now I'll say I'm at the point of don't subscribe at all tho. That hit with the crafting bags and so I tried back a few times later but the Xbox one crown issues and lack of anything outside of 30 days was a deal breaker.

This is just WTH type of stuff at this point....for me

Heroeric1337 · April 2017

Personofsecrets wrote: »

More pay to win. Fine by me.

Having more bank space has nothing to do with winning. If thats your concept of pay to win, you gotta reevaluate the definition

MasterSpatula · April 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I'm a Sub-for-Life, and I'm torn.

Real-world money buying in-game advantages is inherently bad. It obliterates the integrity of the RPG experience.

On the other hand, selling inventory/bank space in the Crown store isn't a thing I would normally have trouble with.

I suppose if it were "subs automatically get all possible inventory and bank space open to them," I wouldn't have a problem with it. But access to space non-subs don't have seems like an unfair advantage to me, and you can't buy unfair advantages in good games.

Honestly, I'm disappointed. I was really hoping they'd come up with a new financial-advantage value-add for ESO+, not an in-game advantage. I have no idea what that might have been, though.

What actual advantage is it buying? None. An advantage would be some OP weapon or armor you could only obtain through the store that would absolutely lay waste to anything in game. But we already have bank slots that can be purchased....But hey who knows, maybe youve never visited the Crown Store.

Well, if you don't see getting to spend more time playing actually-enjoyable parts of the game and less time playing the Inventory Minigame as an advantage, there's probably no point arguing. But I live in hope (and I'm the kind of idiot who just doesn't recognize a lost cause some times), so here are a few more (that should be self-evident):

More time spent doing content that moves your character towards BiS gear, less time dealing with inventory.
More time spent doing content that improves player skill and familiarity with mechanics, less time dealing with inventory.
More inventory to store items that aren't useful yet but will be when you have a 5-piece set.
More inventory to store items for present and future alts.
More inventory to store sets that aren't useful yet but will be when future changes take place.

There's a lot more to the game than just the combat, but even if that's the only thing you that matters to you, more inventory space still helps you improve yourself in combat.

Cathexis · April 2017

I would rather pay for a game I like to pay for because it is good, than a game that requires I pay for it to not suck.
That's just my perspective.

Basic functional game elements should not be the reason to sub. Storage has been shotty since day 1 and this is a basic element of the game.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

Waseem wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

This is stupid since most players who have inventory problems are not eso+ subscribers

This statement is demonstrably false. Plenty of ESO+ subscribers have issues with the limited bank space.

Have you bothered to visit the ESO+ Ideas thread?

Almost literally, every other comment is asking for some sort of bank/inventory increase for subscribers.

Subscribers asked for it, ZOS made it/is making it a reality.

you made it look like players who are not eso+ will deactivate their accounts if their bank space gets doubled

I most certainly did not imply that in any way.

I even went back and read my own posts in this thread, all of them, and aside from stretching to put words in my mouth, there's no way my posts could be construed in that manner.

If this falsification is the only method you have to support your false argument, you should probably quit commenting and just stick to reading the thread from now on.

Nahtal · April 2017

Only to say: nice

keep up the good work

Cathexis · April 2017

Nahtal wrote: »

Only to say: nice keep up the good work

How is sub 2 win for an excessively overdue feature "good work."

Edit; not content, not even feature, just a necessary game mechanic.

Darkstorne · April 2017

This is not a reward, or even a benefit, for subscribing. It is a core game problem that rather than fixing for everyone they are arbitrarily restricting behind a paywall.

They should be building on the benefits, like the % boost to exp, the monthly crowns, the old loyalty rewards etc. Not identifying key game issues that their playerbase wants addressed, and then ONLY fixing them for players subscribing. This is exactly why SWTOR's sub model sucks so much. It feels like everyone loses. Subs don't feel like they're being rewarded, just taken advantage of. Thank you SO MUCH for tweaking that banking number cap in your database, ZOS. That must have been a lot of work...