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Leaked - new eso plus bonus. Double bank space. What do you think?
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Vivecc✭✭✭don´t get me wrong...but actually u can be happy that the game model changed from sub only to b2p....or not ? else u would be forced ! to subscribe to play eso. so be happy. And with the incoming Morrowind chapter and other changes the eso+ model has to be upgraded in value somehow. And about that i´m happy .
so why we are not all happy ? you can always sub to support the game.....and if you don´t...then don´t argue that you miss some of the benefits that a subber has.pc/eu2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Uriel_Nocturne Im sorry but i do not agree. B2p model means that i am also customer. DLCs i own too. The inventory problem is real, and apart from terrible ui (my condolences to players on consoles) bank space, as most convenient way of management, is very important.
As a customer of buy to play produkt i expect developers to provide me with means to resolve the above without subbing. This is not my childish demand, this is something that i got used to. Not to mention, that there are f2p titles providing semi crafting bags for free.
Pack it as you want, im not surpirsed by Zeni, my expectations are adequatly low, im just stating that this dont sit well with me.
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Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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I don't care what you're "used to" or not. You can go play those F2P titles for all I care; and you can deal with lower server stability, lower graphical fidelity, and a whole host of issues that ESO simply doesn't have.@Uriel_Nocturne Im sorry but i do not agree. B2p model means that i am also customer. DLCs i own too. The inventory problem is real, and apart from terrible ui (my condolences to players on consoles) bank space, as most convenient way of management, is very important.
As a customer of buy to play produkt i expect developers to provide me with means to resolve the above without subbing. This is not my childish demand, this is something that i got used to. Not to mention, that there are f2p titles providing semi crafting bags for free.
Pack it as you want, im not surpirsed by Zeni, my expectations are adequatly low, im just stating that this dont sit well with me.
Just because ESO is a B2P game, doesn't mean that you'll receive everything in the future for free with this game. It takes tens of millions of dollars to keep a AAA MMORPG running, and your pathetic $40/60 USD that you paid ONCE to play the game will not keep the lights on.
Crown Store sales and subscribers like me keep the lights on in an MMO.
You don't like that subscribers get a Perk like this? Go play something else. But my post still stands, and you have defeated nothing.
These types of Perks are industry-wide for MMORPG's. You want the Perk? Subscribe.
You don't want to subscribe? Then go play some other ***-tier F2P MMO and deal with all of the multitudinous issues that come with that. I care not, and it won't affect this game one single bit whether you're unhappy and leave, or are unhappy and stay.
Since you and a whole host of other posters seem to be riding a wave of outright dismissing the commonsense, industry-wide reasons that subscribers get Perks that non-subscribers don't, I refuse to argue with people who flat out refuse to hear the other side.
I've even made posts in this very thread that argue that non-subscribers should get a bank/storage increase through Homestead, but noooooo... people like you conveniently ignore those posts because they blatantly defeat your argument before you even type it out.
So, leave for one of those ***-tier MMO's that pushes their Cash Shop far more than ESO ever has, or stay.
I. Don't. Care.
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Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Stop crying if you don't have ESO plus. This is not a pay to win bonus. Go play Neverwinter and see what pay to win really is.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think double the bank space would be amazing! It would also encourage me to buy the banker, like I've been wanting to for a while but just haven't...Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
ol_BANK_lo✭✭✭✭✭A hero on reddit has posted an image that shows zos plans to give eso plus double bank space.
@ZOS_GinaBruno had confirmed it's genuine and coming in update 14.
So what are your thoughts? Personally I think this is away to make people feel they can't ever unsubscribe (because it would make their bank unusable until they empty it). I would prefer they found a way to make subscribing more worthwhile instead of finding ways to punish people who want to unsubscribe. But that is just my opinion. What do you think?
Link below
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/63a9ms/ive_found_zos_plans_for_increasing_eso_value/
I'm all for it. I've been asking for it since One Tamriel, when I started running out of space in my bank and on my characters, because there were so many sets bumped to 160 that I wanted to try. No matter what other method you use to benefit ESO Plus users (which I am one), non ESO Plus users will feel gipped. I think it is a good and necessary move, just like the Craft Bag, which currently is the only real reason I use ESO Plus right now, aside from DLC access. I am CP 765, I'm not leveling anything (and the 10% isn't enough to care), I have a master crafter (level 50 in all), and the increased gold is useless. So, yeah, this is a good move for me.1 -
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✭✭I'm a subscriber but I really don't see the harm in offering the bank space through the crown store as well. What they should have done is give subscribers an extra 100 free bank slots as a subscriber perk, but offer the rest on the crown store up to a bank limit of 1000 on the crown store. Subscibers would be happy, non-sub's would be happy, ZOS would be happy
Edited by Ashtaris on April 6, 2017 2:53PM2 -
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Whos a freeloader? Has anyone gotten the game for free?
ZO$ is trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They want you to purchase the game, pay a monthly fee and have micro/macro transactions while not fixing balance issues, improving lag in PvP or doing much in end game. The last 6 months have all been about the Crown Store and not much else interesting.5 -
Jemcrystal✭✭✭✭✭I don't really need the space. I'm not a pack rat. If I don't use it I sell it. I will not sub because I cannot afford it on my irl budget. But still glad for subbers. MMO's should care for their subbers they are steady bready. Let's see how many times I can repeat this on one thread.1 -
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So, you seem to be of the illusion that your one-time, pathetic $40/$60 USD payment for the game is going to pay for everything in the future?
Whos a freeloader? Has anyone gotten the game for free?
ZO$ is trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They want you to purchase the game, pay a monthly fee and have micro/macro transactions while not fixing balance issues, improving lag in PvP or doing much in end game. The last 6 months have all been about the Crown Store and not much else interesting.
Of course they're going to need Cash Shop sales as well as subscription money. The amount of money B2P MMO's receive just from the initial disc purchase gets blown through in about a single year. Where then, if it weren't for the steady revenue from subscribers, would the developers/publishers get the money to keep the MMO maintained and running?
So, as a "thank you" to subscribers for feeding the devs/publishers a steady flow of income, they give us Perks.
Why is this "evil"?
As far as the rest of your post, unfounded conspiracy theory, and dismissed just as quickly.
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Transairion✭✭✭✭✭LOL @ some of the "freeloader" comments in a Buy to Play game with a Cash Shop. I assure you more non-subs "support the game" than subs do because they spend massive amounts in the Crown Store, especially with Random Boxes now a thing.
SWTOR went F2P with Cash Shop and kept subscriber option and do you know where they confirmed they get most of their revenue? Cash Shop. Subs are a cash source, but their contribution is pathetic in the face of all the people buying Shiny Things. SWTOR also rolled with it and damned their game into the depths by focusing almost entirely on their cash shop, leaving the game itself a low-quality wasteland with lots of shiny things to buy.
ESO is B2P, with a Cash Shop, and with paid DLC and a HUGE (expensive) expansion on the way and has always had it's sub option: subs don't pay for DLC and get "free" Crowns so don't even have to spend money for that one special crown item ("Crown Whales" are non-sub and sub alike).
It's always this way, and just stop: being a sub doesn't make you high and mighty, you're just paying for extra perks... you especially don't have the right to look down on any non-sub in a B2P game. If I play Mass Effect Andromeda online am I freeloader? I'm not buying a trillion weapon packs, how dare I just pay the base price... lol.
As I've already said, storage is a huge issue for non-subs already: I vendor every crafting material green quality and below yet my maxed out bank is still 99% crafting mats. That's an incredibly amount and variation in the materials I just can't store without the Crafting Bag.
Having double bank space for subs-only, when the crafting bag is subs only (and frees up an unbelievable amount of bank space for subs as is) rather heavily suggest that Zenimax isn't going to make any other methods of storage available: why would they, that would eat into potential $$$ right? That's the problem more than anything.
If they announced Bank Space was going up for everyone (even if it has to be bought ingame) AND subs are getting double the bank space on top of that... would anyone have a valid complaint? No. We'd praise them for improving Quality of Life ingame.
But yeah, if Zenimax is now just moving into the terrible F2P game management style of "make the game as annoying as possible for anyone that isn't a sub because **** them", then why the hell will ESO still be B2P?
ESO's lack of this behavior drove me to them, from other MMO's that did it.Edited by Transairion on April 6, 2017 3:35PM4 -
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✭Since they are basically adding a second game they should double the bank space for all players then double it again for subscribers that would make it worth it.1 -
kwisatz✭✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »Agreed. This is the same tactic the craft bag uses in a sense: Inventory that, if unsubscribed, becomes almost an inconvenience. I wish they would just listen to the MOUNTAIN of feedback that suggested they add a eso+ transmog system.
Double or triple mount training (reduction in time between training OR 3 training attributes per 20 hours) could be cool.
Increased EXP gain (another 10% on top of the 10%, totaling 20%)
Cheaper upgrades to available storage and inventory spaces (the price is astronomical already, the reason that 90% of players haven't purchased the extra space is because they can't afford it - I remember rich addressing this as the reason why they didn't add storage initially with housing.
Cheaper crowns, always (-10% or -15% off the price of crown packs on all platforms, at all times.)
All of these would be excellent options.
- Mount training: what about people already maxed rider? that would be a totally useless perk.
- Increased XP gain : what about people already CP160 and already have all characters or people that doesnt can/want/have time to reroll ones? that would be a totally useless perk.
- Cheaper upgrades to available storage and inventory: what about people that have already maxed their banks and bags? that would be a totally useless perk.
- Cheaper crowns? Well, I'm not interested, but I can asume that many people can be.
At leat, bank storage is for everyone, veterans and newbies.
Mount training - great for levelling alts.
Increased XP gain - great for levelling alts and your main since you can continue to gain CP after 600.
Cheaper bank and bag upgrades - great solution to the current problem actually. Boost bank space for EVERYONE but allow subs to buy the upgrades at a lower price, or just get them for free.
Cheaper Crowns - More Crowns would be simpler, but the bigger issue here is Crown Store price inflation. 1500 Crowns used to be worth much more when mounts cost between 700-2000, compared to the 2500-5500 they cost today.
Levelling alts? What is the point of have perks to levelling alts if you have already maxed all the alts you can/want/have the capacity for?
After three years playing (and subbing) ESO Plus members would expect something actually useful: XP bonus they already have is not; crafting bag is; double furnitures capacity is; double bank space WHEN IT'S ALREADY MAXED is exactly in the same line.Edited by kwisatz on April 7, 2017 7:44AM1 -
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✭I think Double bank space is EXTREMELY FAIR and anyone complaining it makes people want to subscribe for the benefit, well, welcome to real life and WHAT THE EFF SPENDING MONEY IS FOR. Lol.
But seriously, it'd be a great perk.0 -
Fingolfinn01✭✭✭✭i wish they would implement it now rather than later.
The cat is out of the bag. Let double bank space begin.PC-NA0 -
wiz12268b14_ESO✭✭✭Bag/bank space is basically the ONLY commodity they can sell (apparently) the sub on. If you buy or own Gold Edition and spend a hundred or so on crowns during a sale (one now) then youre way ahead of the game compared to subs in terms of crowns gained. The only thing youre losing out on is the crafting bag. And double items in houses which with housing in its current state isnt even an issue.
They have to incentivise subbing some way. The way theyre doing it is to keep the inventory situation deplorable and continuing to give inventory 'perks' as a reward for subbing. That way they hope people will just sub. But in reality if you are (for whatever reason) into housing or crafting housing items then the added inventory space is going to be a wash (or even a loss) anyway.0 -
Blacksmoke✭✭✭✭✭Great idea!Champion point: 645CharactersGanlian Stormian - AD - Dungeon healer - Templar - CrafterOndaril Stormian - AD - Trail DPS - SorcererShagrod gro-Bolmog - AD - PVP - Dragonknight0 -
sarbonn✭✭✭I think it's great. It's an additional service I would not have had before. Can't imagine why I would complain about that.Clueless, but willing to learn.0 -
Lythandra✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, you seem to be of the illusion that your one-time, pathetic $40/$60 USD payment for the game is going to pay for everything in the future?
Whos a freeloader? Has anyone gotten the game for free?
ZO$ is trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They want you to purchase the game, pay a monthly fee and have micro/macro transactions while not fixing balance issues, improving lag in PvP or doing much in end game. The last 6 months have all been about the Crown Store and not much else interesting.
Of course they're going to need Cash Shop sales as well as subscription money. The amount of money B2P MMO's receive just from the initial disc purchase gets blown through in about a single year. Where then, if it weren't for the steady revenue from subscribers, would the developers/publishers get the money to keep the MMO maintained and running?
So, as a "thank you" to subscribers for feeding the devs/publishers a steady flow of income, they give us Perks.
Why is this "evil"?
As far as the rest of your post, unfounded conspiracy theory, and dismissed just as quickly.
You of course made up issues and addressed none of the ones I brought up.
Where did I say it was evil? Where did I say I have only spent $60? In every post you simply make up stuff. Fake posts! Sad.1 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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If I've made anything up, prove it. The onus is on you to prove me wrong, and so far you've not been able to do that... with anyone. Your posts do actually boil down to unmitigated conspiracy theory and conjecture.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, you seem to be of the illusion that your one-time, pathetic $40/$60 USD payment for the game is going to pay for everything in the future?
Whos a freeloader? Has anyone gotten the game for free?
ZO$ is trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They want you to purchase the game, pay a monthly fee and have micro/macro transactions while not fixing balance issues, improving lag in PvP or doing much in end game. The last 6 months have all been about the Crown Store and not much else interesting.
Of course they're going to need Cash Shop sales as well as subscription money. The amount of money B2P MMO's receive just from the initial disc purchase gets blown through in about a single year. Where then, if it weren't for the steady revenue from subscribers, would the developers/publishers get the money to keep the MMO maintained and running?
So, as a "thank you" to subscribers for feeding the devs/publishers a steady flow of income, they give us Perks.
Why is this "evil"?
As far as the rest of your post, unfounded conspiracy theory, and dismissed just as quickly.
You of course made up issues and addressed none of the ones I brought up.
Where did I say it was evil? Where did I say I have only spent $60? In every post you simply make up stuff. Fake posts! Sad.
Don't get mad after I call you out on it (days afterwards actually...), provide proof of your claims.
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✭✭✭✭✭Thoughts? Meh. I recently decided to start over on a new PSN (long story -- a pox on Sony and their inability to implement PSN ID name changes); I still have access to my old account on my PS4, where I was previously subscribed and have a stockpile of crafting mats. I hop onto it every time I need to craft something (which is not very often these days). I'm not subscribed to ESO+ on my new account and I bought the four DLC pack yesterday for a very reasonable price, thanks to the crown sale. What I've come to realize is that ESO+ isn't ACTUALLY all that essential, as far as inventory space goes -- at least not for me. Doubling bank space isn't going to make me any more likely to subscribe on this new account of mine.
I can understand why some people do value ESO+ (esp. those of you who craft regularly). Crafting really lost its appeal for me, though, when I realized that crafted sets are pretty much useless at end game. Pots and food are dirt cheap in guild stores, so there's absolutely no need to have a ton of provisioning items collecting dust in my bank. With enchanting, there are only a few glyphs that actually matter, so there's no need to have every single rune stone handy.
I've also decided to limit myself to one character on my new account, so my only focus as far as crafting goes is putting points into skills that reduce the cost of upgrading gear with tempers. Limiting myself to one character also means that I don't have to carry around a dozen or so sets for my alts.
I have zero interest in housing because it serves no actual function, so there's no need for me to store housing crafting materials either.
TL;DR: If ZOS made crafted gear viable again at end-game, my thoughts re: the desirability of ESO+ would rise exponentially for me (and, I assume, for plenty of other former crafters who just don't see the effing point any more).Edited by Aurielle on April 13, 2017 2:24PM0 -
Ajaxduo✭✭✭✭✭Don't see all the fuss tbh, I'm a ESO+ user and I have no use for the additional bank space. My spare gear sets and consumables for 8 characters sit in my 250 limit bank (still room to spare), the crafting bag eliminated all storage issues. I'd much rather have something else personally, just bump the unlocks up for everyone.- - -
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Sinax_KNTSoul ShrivenGreat perk... I would like to see them add bank spaces to cash shop though.. maybe the banker could add an extra 100 slots.. this way non subs would get a way to get more slots and subs would get even more space with the perk when its doubled.1 -
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ZO$ is trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They want you to purchase the game, pay a monthly fee and have micro/macro transactions while not fixing balance issues, improving lag in PvP or doing much in end game. The last 6 months have all been about the Crown Store and not much else interesting.
Then maybe you should move on...seems like it's not the game for you?
Ohhhhh right it's more fun to stamp your feet over it on the forums.
Good luck with that.1
