Leaked - new eso plus bonus. Double bank space. What do you think?

WillhelmBlack

Still wouldn't sub.

Dark_Aether

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

unfair dirty advantage for ESO+ subscribers
subscribers get access to crafting bag AND extra bank space while non subscribers left with *** inventories

Then start a subscription.

git gud.

That sums up my point. Buy and subscribe or don't bother. Why have a B2P model if you're purposely making it inconvenient for non-subscribers?

Emmagoldman

Sounds great to me!

I guess people have the choice of subscription or many alts. Right now I have two alts filled with crap

Kodrac

Cathexis wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

Only to say: nice keep up the good work

How is sub 2 win for an excessively overdue feature "good work."

Edit; not content, not even feature, just a necessary game mechanic.

Sub to win? Really? Wow.

Didgerion

Absalon wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

unfair dirty advantage for ESO+ subscribers
subscribers get access to crafting bag AND extra bank space while non subscribers left with *** inventories

You should be thankful, we're supporting the game for you be able to play it for free.

Looks like there are not enough of you if they are trying so hard to push more people to sub model.

Wifeaggro13

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

A hero on reddit has posted an image that shows zos plans to give eso plus double bank space.

@ZOS_GinaBruno had confirmed it's genuine and coming in update 14.

So what are your thoughts? Personally I think this is away to make people feel they can't ever unsubscribe (because it would make their bank unusable until they empty it). I would prefer they found a way to make subscribing more worthwhile instead of finding ways to punish people who want to unsubscribe. But that is just my opinion. What do you think?

Link below

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/63a9ms/ive_found_zos_plans_for_increasing_eso_value/

Yes I've been saying this all along . People screaming about morrowind not being included were not actually playing the game. To play this game with any sort of sanity you needed a sub for crafting bag, and no gear restriction. If I was a barbie doll casual that played the game for light attacks and cosmetics it was far cheaper to just buy the dlcs

KingMagaw

As said ~2months ago:

KingMagaw wrote: »

Zo$ are letting this get out of hand intentionally. Since launch they have continuously added items to the game but made no expansion to inventory/management other than ESO+, which was added to entice players to sub as the other benefits were next to worthless on ESO+.
It was no surprise on Homestead to hear no change to inventory - As adding more inventory accessible in game detracts from the only real reason to subscribe to ESO.
This is where Zo$ blatantly shows there greed as they would rather make a negative impact on the playing experience of a customer and 'force' a subscription by engineering the game this way.
Players aren't asking more space for free. Most state they would pay for it, as paying for space follows the trend Zo$ has already concreted in, no surprise there. 2 years this hasn't been done with countless forum posts.

Lastly to the players stating this is a hoarding issue or not needed. RNG is *** in ESO, can't blame the player for saving such sets as Infallible Aether/VO/Maelstorm weapons etc that inherently take up space, in the bank, which is mainly used for logistical means to distribute items to any/all alts.

Simply another reason why I stopped my sub and use 2 empty guild halls (1000 Spaces) to store the majority of my items. My group of friends just keeps 2 out of 5 guild spaces free so we all can have 1000 spaces each.

klowdy1

Personofsecrets wrote: »

More pay to win. Fine by me.

I'm not quite sure you understand what that phrase means. Bag space gives you no edge over another player, or encounter. It's a p4convience thing, plain and simple. If bag space makes you hit harder, then maybe. People over use, and misuse this phrase too often.

Uriel_Nocturne

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

unfair dirty advantage for ESO+ subscribers
subscribers get access to crafting bag AND extra bank space while non subscribers left with *** inventories

Then start a subscription.

git gud.

That sums up my point. Buy and subscribe or don't bother. Why have a B2P model if you're purposely making it inconvenient for non-subscribers?

Are you new to the MMORPG genre?

Clansman2013

Currently I sub exclusively for the crafting bag, so any additional bonus is very welcome, extra bank space is awesome

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The OCD in me really hopes they increase the current available bag space by 10 slots so we get an even 500. What is this 480 nonsense? haha.

Also, any chance on a furniture craft bag? That would be really handy...

KingMagaw

klowdy1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

More pay to win. Fine by me.

I'm not quite sure you understand what that phrase means. Bag space gives you no edge over another player, or encounter. It's a p4convience thing, plain and simple. If bag space makes you hit harder, then maybe. People over use, and misuse this phrase too often.

I have a question for you, though its perspective based:

Pay4Convience for inventory management is the way it is now from what i read by yourself.


If Z0$ reduced inventory space, how low would they have to go before you would class the game as inconvenient to play?.
(If your character had 20 Backpack spaces max with Bank space capped at 20 slots max, so 40 total spaces).



Would blatantly engineering a game, with a direct shortage on spaces be conceived as Pay2Win? Not really but personally i would call that Pay2Play. With ESO model you Buy2Play the game but everything Z0$ is touching they are making it Pay2Play or face endless hassle/wasted time on Inventory Management.

Additionally, no need to ask why some items, that blatantly dont stack that should (T-Maps) havent been addressed in 3 years. Its to Engineer a market that solely relies on subbing without giving anything worthwhile away meaning it wont affect sales on the crown store.

Personally i cant support either: Z0$ continued incompetence on not addressing issues or engineering situations that basically force people to sub on top of buying the game.


I would actually like to see some figures of:


How many unique/non-stackable items in the game Vs Bag/Bank space.

I know its worthless tagging Z0$ 'employees' but what do you think @ZOS_GinaBruno. Might surprise me and answer one of the 100's of posts your tagged in.

raisedbydevil

KingMagaw wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

More pay to win. Fine by me.

I'm not quite sure you understand what that phrase means. Bag space gives you no edge over another player, or encounter. It's a p4convience thing, plain and simple. If bag space makes you hit harder, then maybe. People over use, and misuse this phrase too often.

I have a question for you, though its perspective based:

Pay4Convience for inventory management is the way it is now from what i read by yourself.


If Z0$ reduced inventory space, how low would they have to go before you would class the game as inconvenient to play?.
(If your character had 20 Backpack spaces max with Bank space capped at 20 slots max, so 40 total spaces).



Would blatantly engineering a game, with a direct shortage on spaces be conceived as Pay2Win? Not really but personally i would call that Pay2Play. With ESO model you Buy2Play the game but everything Z0$ is touching they are making it Pay2Play or face endless hassle/wasted time on Inventory Management.

Additionally, no need to ask why some items, that blatantly dont stack that should (T-Maps) havent been addressed in 3 years. Its to Engineer a market that solely relies on subbing without giving anything worthwhile away meaning it wont affect sales on the crown store.

Personally i cant support either: Z0$ continued incompetence on not addressing issues or engineering situations that basically force people to sub on top of buying the game.


I would actually like to see some figures of:


How many unique/non-stackable items in the game Vs Bag/Bank space.

I know its worthless tagging Z0$ 'employees' but what do you think @ZOS_GinaBruno. Might surprise me and answer one of the 100's of posts your tagged in.

Quoting my Chinese Friends,

Herro boiii, you want BAG? You Pay BAG!

Canceled again my ESO+ sub after i've seen the current state of PVP, i've never been stuck in loading screens as much as nowadays. The game is dying and Z0$ trying to milk the average pve'r. Smart folk.

BlueRaven

KingMagaw wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

More pay to win. Fine by me.

I'm not quite sure you understand what that phrase means. Bag space gives you no edge over another player, or encounter. It's a p4convience thing, plain and simple. If bag space makes you hit harder, then maybe. People over use, and misuse this phrase too often.

I have a question for you, though its perspective based:

Pay4Convience for inventory management is the way it is now from what i read by yourself.


If Z0$ reduced inventory space, how low would they have to go before you would class the game as inconvenient to play?.
(If your character had 20 Backpack spaces max with Bank space capped at 20 slots max, so 40 total spaces).



Would blatantly engineering a game, with a direct shortage on spaces be conceived as Pay2Win? Not really but personally i would call that Pay2Play. With ESO model you Buy2Play the game but everything Z0$ is touching they are making it Pay2Play or face endless hassle/wasted time on Inventory Management.

Additionally, no need to ask why some items, that blatantly dont stack that should (T-Maps) havent been addressed in 3 years. Its to Engineer a market that solely relies on subbing without giving anything worthwhile away meaning it wont affect sales on the crown store.

Personally i cant support either: Z0$ continued incompetence on not addressing issues or engineering situations that basically force people to sub on top of buying the game.


I would actually like to see some figures of:


How many unique/non-stackable items in the game Vs Bag/Bank space.

I know its worthless tagging Z0$ 'employees' but what do you think @ZOS_GinaBruno. Might surprise me and answer one of the 100's of posts your tagged in.

But they are NOT lowering the bag space, right? What ever bank space you have now, and what it will be later will be exactly the same. Actually the same since launch.

It used to be that we had to keep crafting mats in our banks, AND most items did not stack, AND when they did stack it was not very high. AND all of that was WITH a subscription. So what are you complaining about?

You are complaining that treasure maps don't stack? They can't stack as each is unique. You can only carry one "Craglorn Treasure Map III" at a time, so why should they stack in the bank? And how is this a broken feature when it seems like something intended? Here is an idea. USE THE TREASURE MAPS! Is banking them somehow an advantage for you? Are you waiting on getting that blue quality rubinte argonian frost axe for some special future event?

Basically, you are playing how the game was INTENDED to be played when the game was launched, when a subscription was required. NOTHING is being taken away from you.

This is NOT ESO saying we are taking away bag space form non-subscribers. They are just offering ESO+ members additional bag space. A nice perk, but hardly gamebreakinig.

TheStealthDude

@KingMagaw

Maybe ZOS would answer questions more often from people like you if you didn't demonstrate such an obvious grudge against them. E.g. Calling them 'ZO$', not showing any willingness to be civil with them.

Also, the amount of stretching you do with your logic doesn't help.

Denyiir

It kinda suck that only thing you basically get as a veteran player from sub is more storage space (crafting bag), and now when they decided to throw something extra it's just even more storage space...

sadownik

@Uriel_Nocturne are you new to b2p model of MMOs?

Korah_Eaglecry

If youre desperate

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

unfair dirty advantage for ESO+ subscribers
subscribers get access to crafting bag AND extra bank space while non subscribers left with *** inventories

Then start a subscription.

git gud.

That sums up my point. Buy and subscribe or don't bother. Why have a B2P model if you're purposely making it inconvenient for non-subscribers?

Because they never intended for this game to be B2P. They really were pushed to do it when they came to Console. Subscriptions is their ultimate goal for all of the players that enter their game. Why? Because its a constant flow of profits and I wouldnt be shocked if subscribers are more likely to pay out for more than just their sub when things are placed on the store (mounts, houses, costumes, etc). I also wouldnt be surprised if the B2Pers are more likely to make a single purchase for the game and then not spend a dime after that. Meaning their wants and needs are null and void since they arent a customer, just a consumer.

sadownik

@Korah_Eaglecry you are right, but then its even more shady dont you think? ZOS cant say "we are not b2p anymore folks, we changed our minds" but instead just makes the game very, very uncomfortable if you dont. Im not fine with it.

sarbonn

For the record, I sub because I always sub whenever I'm playing a game, specifically for the purpose of supporting the company that runs the game. I think it's great that I get a bunch of services for that subscription, which I understand is probably why most people sub. It also makes me feel a bit better about continuing to support a company when it goes out of its way to reward the people who support their game.

Korah_Eaglecry

sadownik wrote: »

@Korah_Eaglecry you are right, but then its even more shady dont you think? ZOS cant say "we are not b2p anymore folks, we changed our minds" but instead just makes the game very, very uncomfortable if you dont. Im not fine with it.

How is focusing on your actual customers shady?

Without your customers theres no profits. Without profits there is no

• Profits for the Company to pay back their investors
• No resources for new content
• No paychecks for their employees

If B2Pers were bringing in the profits (in other MMOs like Star Trek Online its the opposite, its the F2Pers that are bringing in the profits where as the Subs arent) the company would focus on them. Instead ZOS is focusing on Subscribers which is a huge tell that that is where their demographic is at and its where the profits are coming from. Maybe instead of getting upset with ZOS and accusing them of shady business practices. You should be focusing your anger on your fellow B2Pers for being such cheapskates that they wont do more than the bare minimum for access to the game.

Uriel_Nocturne

sadownik wrote: »

@Uriel_Nocturne are you new to b2p model of MMOs?

Nope. I've been playing MMORPG's for... well, since they became a thing over 20+ years ago.

ESO being B2P means NOTHING in regard to their separate subscription model and the Perks they offer to subscribers.

You don't like that? Then quit playing MMO's.

Any and every MMORPG on the market that offers a subscription service, gives their subscribers perks and benefits that the non-subscribers don't get to enjoy.

The only MMORPG's that DON'T do this: are MMORPG's that require a subscription from every player.

And this is how it's always been in the MMORPG genre. It's not new. It's not shady. It's not a shameless money grab.

MMORPG's used to be entirely subscription based. You had to pay every month to play anything at all. But ever since the first MMO to do so gave a B2P or F2P option, they have all given extra Perks to those players whom subscribed as a way of saying "thank you" for the additional, regular revenue.

Anyone who doesn't realize this is either 1) new to MMO's or 2) keeping themselves willfully ignorant/blind for the 20+ years MMORPG's have been in existence.

And as @Korah_Eaglecry said;

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

If youre desperate

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

unfair dirty advantage for ESO+ subscribers
subscribers get access to crafting bag AND extra bank space while non subscribers left with *** inventories

Then start a subscription.

git gud.

That sums up my point. Buy and subscribe or don't bother. Why have a B2P model if you're purposely making it inconvenient for non-subscribers?

Because they never intended for this game to be B2P. They really were pushed to do it when they came to Console. Subscriptions is their ultimate goal for all of the players that enter their game. Why? Because its a constant flow of profits and I wouldnt be shocked if subscribers are more likely to pay out for more than just their sub when things are placed on the store (mounts, houses, costumes, etc). I also wouldnt be surprised if the B2Pers are more likely to make a single purchase for the game and then not spend a dime after that. Meaning their wants and needs are null and void since they arent a customer, just a consumer.

YOu don't like the subscription model? Then don't subscribe. But this is nothing new. It's nothing shady. It's in EVERY MMO ON THE MARKET.

If you can't handle that, or for some misguided reason are thinking that ZOS is somehow "punishing" you personally, then MMO's are probably not the genre for you.

Korah_Eaglecry

misquote.

KingMagaw

TheStealthDude wrote: »

@KingMagaw

Maybe ZOS would answer questions more often from people like you if you didn't demonstrate such an obvious grudge against them. E.g. Calling them 'ZO$', not showing any willingness to be civil with them.

Also, the amount of stretching you do with your logic doesn't help.

It is a simple transition really and my experience based over years of witnessing incompetent decisions. The most recent is players continually asking Z0$, over tickets/twitter/reddit a simple question, yet they didn't answer once. Don't get me wrong, flipping blackboot was exploiting in my eyes and i refrained from doing so knowing it existed BUT when many players asked a simple question it should of been addressed.

No official posts from Z0$ in the cheating and exploiting thread since July 2016 (Which should be a top priority but it took Z0$ ages to stickie the thread even after players continually asking for it for ages so personally i hold no faith in it being taken seriously which was reinforced by them not posting in it in ~10months).

Add that to the player who won the Best Dueller PCEU being caught and suspended 3 times already (Cheat Engine) yet back in the game. Comparable to someone stealing off you 3 times and you letting them back into your house. Someone caught using 3rd party software to tweek stats and gain an unlimited advantage over someone in game should be perma banned. Not doing so is the biggest catalyst for an infusion of more cheaters. Giving 4 chances is weak.

Closing 2 PvP servers and introducing 140+ queues with waiting times of 1hr+ to access PvP, or IC that is a DLC and doing nothing to address this problem or even having a solution in place when closing EbonyBlade and SpellBreaker was incompetent and restrictive to the player.


I posted this a while ago but will paste in again. By no means am i stretching anything - I believe the result can only be 1 of 2 things:

(A) Incompetent to address issues, even the most simplistic issues like stacking items that are exactly the same

OR

(B) Engineering an environment, that since 'launch' has only seen an increase of items into the game with no increase into storing them. Additionally the change to making many items BoP from there previous state of BoE severely limited the ways to store items and added an increased strain on logistics.


I would also like to address the players who state - Hogging up items is your choice. I agree it is the players choice but the game is engineered in the fashion that a new player starts the game, Stamblade. Level 50 then CP160, tries a few armors/play styles, finds a comfortable one, golds armor. Plays and beats vMA for example, gets a sharpened inferno staff, nice drop but not for a stamblade. Save or decon is the question. How can anyone in this situation promote not saving this item is beyond me.

I play all slots in Characters. They are all maxed level with 2 sets of armors/potions/lockpicks/anything they require for doing any PvE/PvP (As it should be). Who is my mule?. How many characters inventories are full of bespoke items that are based on RNG that - I want to try out/buffed in future/incomplete sets trying to complete/Havent got a class made for build yet/saving armors for new class Warden/

I cant see why a restriction was/is placed on storage in the first place with such a draconian way of storing /accessing a players items. More so over the space of 3 years to continually add pressure to this situation, refer to points A and B.


I hold the same 'grudge' or 'distaste' for the Joiner/trades-person/person, using bad practice, incompetence or ignorance when doing something. Maybe i am less willing to receive products with this kind of treatment. I play ESO and do my box ticking while not getting upset as i realize ESO was never competitive. Almost all titles/achievements have been exploited, leader boards continually exploited, PvP continually being exploited, its just box ticking now for achievements.

Thaizo

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

A hero on reddit has posted an image that shows zos plans to give eso plus double bank space.

@ZOS_GinaBruno had confirmed it's genuine and coming in update 14.

So what are your thoughts? Personally I think this is away to make people feel they can't ever unsubscribe (because it would make their bank unusable until they empty it). I would prefer they found a way to make subscribing more worthwhile instead of finding ways to punish people who want to unsubscribe. But that is just my opinion. What do you think?

Link below

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/63a9ms/ive_found_zos_plans_for_increasing_eso_value/

What if you fill up your bank right now, while not subscribed, leave the game for awhile and then come back. Your bank is still full, right? So you'd still have to take time out to clear it...

Also, we don't have full details yet, but I'd imagine they would utilize it like the crafting bag space. It would be a sort of separate space where if you aren't subscribed you can still take stuff out, but not put in. Therefore, even if you had your normal bank slots filled up, you're back at the same point we rested at even if you weren't a subscriber and filled up your bank. That just means you need to clean house. Full bank is a full bank so I'm not too sure of the issue here.

Surak73

BlueRaven wrote: »

But they are NOT lowering the bag space, right? What ever bank space you have now, and what it will be later will be exactly the same. Actually the same since launch.

There are two way for lowering the bank space: reducing the number of slots or increasing the number of items you have to put in those slots... And with every dlc/expansion/event/celebration, there are new things to put in those slots, but their number remains the same.

Vivecc

as a subscriber i´m just very glad to hear of this. Storage space is so essential ( in eso).

sadownik

@Uriel_Nocturne Im sorry but i do not agree. B2p model means that i am also customer. DLCs i own too. The inventory problem is real, and apart from terrible ui (my condolences to players on consoles) bank space, as most convenient way of management, is very important.

As a customer of buy to play produkt i expect developers to provide me with means to resolve the above without subbing. This is not my childish demand, this is something that i got used to. Not to mention, that there are f2p titles providing semi crafting bags for free.

Pack it as you want, im not surpirsed by Zeni, my expectations are adequatly low, im just stating that this dont sit well with me.

Nerouyn

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

What do you think?

I think this is an attempt to sell ice cubes to Eskimos.

The chronic space shortage is already greatly alleviated by the crafting bag.

ESO Plus might be happy to have more storage - I don't know, for lots of armours maybe - but it's not much incentive to subscribe.

Vivecc

as some of you may know or maybe not - eso came out with a subscription only model. And to change that into b2p was a decision that i (personally) didn´t supported very well. You should be happy to be able to play without forced to sub at all.
period