Leaked - new eso plus bonus. Double bank space. What do you think?

Blackbird_V

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

So... I can finally delete one of my mules? O.o awesome..
I think we should get that now.

psychotic13

Yay more bank space, I can delete my muels lol

Surak73

This is pretty curious: just a couple of months ago they said that we will not have house based inventory spaces because people have not even maximized their own bank spaces so they wouldn't need them, and now they want to double them?...

With their new policy on dlc/expansions/chapters, subscriptions data are already so bad?...

Skjoldur

Rickter wrote: »

what does WoW give you for your subscription?

Then again WoW's "shop" is a lot smaller and they don't have a stupid Crown Crate gambling system!

Rickter wrote: »

you love this game? support it with your wallet.

I do, I am a subscriber, but I still wish they never had added the stupid shop and Crown Crates though, especially with exclusive items.

Liam12548 wrote: »

I wish they would just listen to the MOUNTAIN of feedback that suggested they add a eso+ transmog system.

Double or triple mount training (reduction in time between training OR 3 training attributes per 20 hours) could be cool.

Increased EXP gain (another 10% on top of the 10%, totaling 20%)

Cheaper upgrades to available storage and inventory spaces (the price is astronomical already, the reason that 90% of players haven't purchased the extra space is because they can't afford it - I remember rich addressing this as the reason why they didn't add storage initially with housing.

Cheaper crowns, always (-10% or -15% off the price of crown packs on all platforms, at all times.)

All of these would be excellent options.

I'll take all of the above. Great ideas and not gamebreaking.

On the matter of more bag space: I love it. Even with maximum capacity, multiple chars and the crafting bag I still constantly run out of space... mostly since I am still researching a lot and I am saving - propably to many - sets.

Didgerion

Transairion wrote: »

Going to add my opinion as a "Non-sub" player here but I think it's a pretty disgraceful choice purely made to entice $$$ even more.


My bank space is maxed out, and it's almost entirely filled with crafting materials with maybe 10-20 armor peices total. I don't have the crafting bag, obviously, if I did my bank would be almost entirely empty; WITHOUT the crafting bag I can't even keep every crafting material I pick up, I vendor everything that is Green quality and below. That's a massive amount of mats people. I only keep the rare ones and even THEN I still don't have any space with it maxed out, and maxed out horse. Lack of storage is a huge issue for non-subs without the crafting bag.

This is Free to Play game behavior, pure and simple: nobody cares about F2P player because they paid nothing, so they're entitled to nothing but whatever is offered.

ESO is not Free to Play. It cost me as much as a full-price game, more actually, back when it released: even then it only came with 1 month sub and if I hadn't forked out more money I wouldn't have been able to play at all. My favorite part of ESO now rather than then is the fact it doesn't force a subscription upon me and I'm free to drop and pick up the game at my leisure.

Why are you treating non-subs like they're completely worthless to you @ZOS? I can assure you the masses of nonsubs playing this game are the one filling your pockets because they're the ones buying the endless waves of Crown Store items.

I don't mind if you give subs 1000+ storage spaces in their banks, but don't leave non-subs struggling with the limited storage we have: subs already have double, triple the storage we do because all their crafting materials are stored outside the bank. Go ahead and give them more, sure, but don't just ignore you OTHER paying customers because "non-sub". Why alienate us?


TLDR: Double everyone's storage, then give subscription double storage on top of that. Everyone's storage is then improved, subs just get improved more.

Don't leave your non-sub paying customers in the dark with banks full of crafting materials.

Agreed!

I chose to go with DLC buying instead of subbing as well and looks like ZOS is punishing me for that decision.

ZOS indirectly shrank the storage space by adding tons of new materials and gear and furniture and now they are doubling the bank space for eso + members only.

The right solution in my opinion would be to increase the storage space by 30 items per DLC for example, and if you own the DLC then you get the perk. If you sub then you get all DLCs storage perks.

Didgerion

KitsuneShoujo wrote: »

As long as they don't nerf unsubbed bank spance, then I don't have a problem with it. BUT I think ZOS is a bit of a skin-flint with bonuses. Crafting bag and 10% bonus to leveling, gold and crafting isn't much at all.

They nerfed it indirectly by adding so many new materials, gear and housing items.

SquareSausage

Subscriber here, totally into it, but kinda shadey as really is coercion to get more subs.

Zaldan

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

Tai-Chi

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tai-Chi wrote: »

I am in my 3rd year of continuous ESO+ membership and welcome this addition to my subscription.

Having said that, there are matters that are unclear to me. I set out an example to illustrate my point.

Let's say I currently have 200 bank space.
To max out the spaces, I can either:-

1. Buy 2 x 10 spaces with Gold, costing 80,000 + 85,000 Gold respectively - thus 165,000 Gold total.
2. Buy 2 x 10 spaces at 1,000 Crowns per 10 - so 2,000 Crowns total.

I would then have 240 slots, so when update 14 arrives, I will have double max bank space, thus 280 slots.

If I wait until after Update 14 is implementd, am I right in assuming that only my 200 bank spaces will be doubled and so increase to 400 slots?

If that is the case, then I would need to buy 8 x 10 more slots (either with Crowns or Gold) to bring my bank slots up to the max of 480 slots? That would work out at 8 x 1,000 Crowns - thus 8,000 Crowns at current rates.

How much Gold would I need to make up the 80 extra spaces?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno
Can you, or anyone else at ZOS please explain to me how the system will work in practice?

Thank-you.

@Tai-Chi
I think you're complicating it. While details will come later, it's being discussed as literally doubling your bank.
So what ever your bank is....double it. If you increase it...the double is based on the non subscriber bank total

I.e.: 200 is 400
If 200 becomes 240 it's 480

Thank-you for replying.

I can see that you are in agreement with me, in that it would appear that 200 bank spaces will become 400 spaces and 240 will become 480 spaces but you have missed the point I am making.

If the above is true, then it means if I upgrade 200 spaces with Crowns (before update 14) it will cost 2,000 Crowns. That will take me to 240 spaces and when update 14 arrives, I will have the max number of 480 spaces and it will have cost me 2,000 Crowns.

If I do not upgrade the 200 spaces before update 14 but after it's release, then my 200 spaces will become 400 spaces after the update, which will mean that I will need another 80 spaces to bring me up to the maximum of 480.

At current prices, 10 extra slots cost 1,000 Crowns. That would be 8 Crown upgrades - so a cost of 8,000 Crowns.
Or, will ESO+ members be, in effect, be buying the eqivalent of 20 Bank slots for 1,000 Crowns?
That would work out at 4 Crown Store upgrades costing 4,000 Crowns.

In my book, there is a big difference in having to fork out 8,000 Crowns or 4,000 Crowns later as opposed to 2,000 Crowns now.

That is the whole point of my query and in my opinion it needs some clarification sooner than later.

L2Pissue

unfair dirty advantage for ESO+ subscribers
subscribers get access to crafting bag AND extra bank space while non subscribers left with *** inventories

Uriel_Nocturne

L2Pissue wrote: »

unfair dirty advantage for ESO+ subscribers
subscribers get access to crafting bag AND extra bank space while non subscribers left with *** inventories

Then start a subscription.

git gud.

MissBizz

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

idk

Slurg wrote: »

I would like official confirmation this is not a baseless rumor.

Having less bank space actually prompts me to sell things and make gold instead of holding on to stuff forever I'll probably never use. But with so much gear being bound now selling some things is not an option and I'm more likely to hang on to pieces I can't buy if I decide I want them later.

If true and not just someone's pipe dream, does this mean we'll never get storage with housing? I think the more options for storage the better.

@Slurg the OP provided a link to a Reddit thread where Gina made an official comment confirming it. That's very official.

DaveMoeDee

lordrichter wrote: »

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

3) how long will it really take to fill up 240 extra bank slots when every quarter there are new gear sets, furnishings and items (e.g. dazzlers! )? It is only a short term solution when a long term solution is needed.

Inventory space should be limited.

A primary skill required for dealing with an RPG game like ESO is proper inventory management. Proper inventory management includes throwing away stuff you don't immediately need when you run out of room. That requires decisions about what is important, and when it might become important.

Yeah, you can bypass this with mule alts, but in three years, I have to say I have ever done the mule alt thing. Proper inventory management.

While this ESO Plus perk does relax the need for this skill, the skill is still required. It is a skill worth developing.

I'm not sure the single player comparison is reasonable for three reasons (off the top of my head):

1 - single player RPGs usually have abundant non-character inventory storage options and less distinct items.
2 - single player RPGs don't keep moving the goal posts with rebalancing.
3 - single player RPGs rarely have a gear grind that makes it risky to dispose of any gear that might be needed when re-balancing occurs.

I completely agree that inventory management is an important RPG skill. Limited inventory also encourages people to use things or sell them instead of hoarding. This is good since in single player RPGs, hoarding is usually just wasteful as you finish the game never using most of your inventory. I speak from experience as someone who is fond of setting carryweight to 30000.

Dazzlers? The only place you should store those is on your guild store.

Zaldan

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

having to remove hundreds of items from bank before you can put anything in would be a nightmare design choice, much better to copy the crafting bag and have it as a separate tab otherwise it'd be like they're punishing people for dropping sub by having to find room for hundreds of items before they can once again use their bank at all, double items for housing has to work that way as you couldn't have a separate house.

MissBizz

Zaldan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

having to remove hundreds of items from bank before you can put anything in would be a nightmare design choice, much better to copy the crafting bag and have it as a separate tab otherwise it'd be like they're punishing people for dropping sub by having to find room for hundreds of items before they can once again use their bank at all, double items for housing has to work that way as you couldn't have a separate house.

That nightmare design choice is exactly how the housing item limit works, and we're talking even more items since manors are 350 I believe standard.. so 700 for subs. This means players would need to remove 351 items from their home before being allowed to add anything in it.

Hopefully if you are someone who flirts with the sub model, you would consider this ahead of time. A single character with maxed out inventory that you don't play could pull enough items out of your bank to consider it usable again.

Zaldan

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

having to remove hundreds of items from bank before you can put anything in would be a nightmare design choice, much better to copy the crafting bag and have it as a separate tab otherwise it'd be like they're punishing people for dropping sub by having to find room for hundreds of items before they can once again use their bank at all, double items for housing has to work that way as you couldn't have a separate house.

That nightmare design choice is exactly how the housing item limit works, and we're talking even more items since manors are 350 I believe standard.. so 700 for subs. This means players would need to remove 351 items from their home before being allowed to add anything in it.

Hopefully if you are someone who flirts with the sub model, you would consider this ahead of time. A single character with maxed out inventory that you don't play could pull enough items out of your bank to consider it usable again.

I don't have any bank space issues and as for the housing they couldn't handle it any other way, they can with bank space.

DaveMoeDee

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

having to remove hundreds of items from bank before you can put anything in would be a nightmare design choice, much better to copy the crafting bag and have it as a separate tab otherwise it'd be like they're punishing people for dropping sub by having to find room for hundreds of items before they can once again use their bank at all, double items for housing has to work that way as you couldn't have a separate house.

That nightmare design choice is exactly how the housing item limit works, and we're talking even more items since manors are 350 I believe standard.. so 700 for subs. This means players would need to remove 351 items from their home before being allowed to add anything in it.

Hopefully if you are someone who flirts with the sub model, you would consider this ahead of time. A single character with maxed out inventory that you don't play could pull enough items out of your bank to consider it usable again.

Then make alts. Costs nothing.

Darkstorne

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

having to remove hundreds of items from bank before you can put anything in would be a nightmare design choice, much better to copy the crafting bag and have it as a separate tab otherwise it'd be like they're punishing people for dropping sub by having to find room for hundreds of items before they can once again use their bank at all, double items for housing has to work that way as you couldn't have a separate house.

That nightmare design choice is exactly how the housing item limit works, and we're talking even more items since manors are 350 I believe standard.. so 700 for subs. This means players would need to remove 351 items from their home before being allowed to add anything in it.

Hopefully if you are someone who flirts with the sub model, you would consider this ahead of time. A single character with maxed out inventory that you don't play could pull enough items out of your bank to consider it usable again.

Bolded my issue with this. It is absolutely useless at attracting new subscribers, and like the craft bags and housing item cap its only purpose is to keep players who start subbing always subbing. Kind of shocking that they looked through that entire thread of suggestions and "what the players want" for ESO+ additions, and decided to lock a key game issue (storage) that has only become worse over time with new materials and housing items, behind a sub gate. Gross, gross, gross. What the hell happened to this dev team?

DaveMoeDee

Zaldan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

having to remove hundreds of items from bank before you can put anything in would be a nightmare design choice, much better to copy the crafting bag and have it as a separate tab otherwise it'd be like they're punishing people for dropping sub by having to find room for hundreds of items before they can once again use their bank at all, double items for housing has to work that way as you couldn't have a separate house.

They aren't punishing anyone. They are just returning their max bank space to the non-buffed size. If people need more space, they can use sub crowns on more character slots.

Of course there is inconvenience when you drop the sub when the main value of the sub these days is convenience.

NewBlacksmurf

Didgerion wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

Going to add my opinion as a "Non-sub" player here but I think it's a pretty disgraceful choice purely made to entice $$$ even more.


My bank space is maxed out, and it's almost entirely filled with crafting materials with maybe 10-20 armor peices total. I don't have the crafting bag, obviously, if I did my bank would be almost entirely empty; WITHOUT the crafting bag I can't even keep every crafting material I pick up, I vendor everything that is Green quality and below. That's a massive amount of mats people. I only keep the rare ones and even THEN I still don't have any space with it maxed out, and maxed out horse. Lack of storage is a huge issue for non-subs without the crafting bag.

This is Free to Play game behavior, pure and simple: nobody cares about F2P player because they paid nothing, so they're entitled to nothing but whatever is offered.

ESO is not Free to Play. It cost me as much as a full-price game, more actually, back when it released: even then it only came with 1 month sub and if I hadn't forked out more money I wouldn't have been able to play at all. My favorite part of ESO now rather than then is the fact it doesn't force a subscription upon me and I'm free to drop and pick up the game at my leisure.

Why are you treating non-subs like they're completely worthless to you @ZOS? I can assure you the masses of nonsubs playing this game are the one filling your pockets because they're the ones buying the endless waves of Crown Store items.

I don't mind if you give subs 1000+ storage spaces in their banks, but don't leave non-subs struggling with the limited storage we have: subs already have double, triple the storage we do because all their crafting materials are stored outside the bank. Go ahead and give them more, sure, but don't just ignore you OTHER paying customers because "non-sub". Why alienate us?


TLDR: Double everyone's storage, then give subscription double storage on top of that. Everyone's storage is then improved, subs just get improved more.

Don't leave your non-sub paying customers in the dark with banks full of crafting materials.

Agreed!

I chose to go with DLC buying instead of subbing as well and looks like ZOS is punishing me for that decision.

ZOS indirectly shrank the storage space by adding tons of new materials and gear and furniture and now they are doubling the bank space for eso + members only.

The right solution in my opinion would be to increase the storage space by 30 items per DLC for example, and if you own the DLC then you get the perk. If you sub then you get all DLCs storage perks.

@Didgerion
You are very correct. I'll go further tho.
The crafting bag, costume dye, upcoming bank space should be included if a buyer purchases certain DLC.

Remove that stuff from eso plus

Now the benefits for eso Plus should be crown store, dlc, etc.

MissBizz

Zaldan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

having to remove hundreds of items from bank before you can put anything in would be a nightmare design choice, much better to copy the crafting bag and have it as a separate tab otherwise it'd be like they're punishing people for dropping sub by having to find room for hundreds of items before they can once again use their bank at all, double items for housing has to work that way as you couldn't have a separate house.

That nightmare design choice is exactly how the housing item limit works, and we're talking even more items since manors are 350 I believe standard.. so 700 for subs. This means players would need to remove 351 items from their home before being allowed to add anything in it.

Hopefully if you are someone who flirts with the sub model, you would consider this ahead of time. A single character with maxed out inventory that you don't play could pull enough items out of your bank to consider it usable again.

I don't have any bank space issues and as for the housing they couldn't handle it any other way, they can with bank space.

Sorry I didn't mean that as you precisely, lol, more so just meant as for anyone who subs only sometimes To be honest I think Zos is trying to influence people to sub. If they allowed a separate tab for bank, folks would put rarely used items (unfinished sets, collectibles they just refuse to sell etc.) in the "sub" tab so they could happily unsub without any issues. This isn't really possible with the crafting bag, as the game will not use items from your inventory, it always pulls from your crafting bag first. This essentially forces you to empty it out.

Absalon

L2Pissue wrote: »

unfair dirty advantage for ESO+ subscribers
subscribers get access to crafting bag AND extra bank space while non subscribers left with *** inventories

You should be thankful, we're supporting the game for you be able to play it for free.

The_Undefined

What's the complaint here? We're doing just fine without the double bank space... it's a feature to be added, not a feature being taken away.

Also, to those that are saying this is punishment for not subbing - the game existed without a crafting bag or double bank space long before these features were included / previewed. No one is being punished for playing the game in vanilla state. You get the play the game FOR FREE after purchase. That's not a punishment. They're perks people, if you want them, pay for them. If you don't want to pay, play the game in vanilla.

sadownik

@Absalon i personaly feel sorry for you. Your relation to ZOS seem to transgress mere enterprise - client and wander into some sick waifu kind relation. Support? Nah mate im paying for product thats it. And about "for free" would love to see some data you base your brave claim on, would you be so kind?

kwisatz

Liam12548 wrote: »

Agreed. This is the same tactic the craft bag uses in a sense: Inventory that, if unsubscribed, becomes almost an inconvenience. I wish they would just listen to the MOUNTAIN of feedback that suggested they add a eso+ transmog system.

Double or triple mount training (reduction in time between training OR 3 training attributes per 20 hours) could be cool.

Increased EXP gain (another 10% on top of the 10%, totaling 20%)

Cheaper upgrades to available storage and inventory spaces (the price is astronomical already, the reason that 90% of players haven't purchased the extra space is because they can't afford it - I remember rich addressing this as the reason why they didn't add storage initially with housing.

Cheaper crowns, always (-10% or -15% off the price of crown packs on all platforms, at all times.)

All of these would be excellent options.

- Mount training: what about people already maxed rider? that would be a totally useless perk.
- Increased XP gain : what about people already CP160 and already have all characters or people that doesnt can/want/have time to reroll ones? that would be a totally useless perk.
- Cheaper upgrades to available storage and inventory: what about people that have already maxed their banks and bags? that would be a totally useless perk.

- Cheaper crowns? Well, I'm not interested, but I can asume that many people can be.

At leat, bank storage is for everyone, veterans and newbies.

seaef

Giraffon wrote: »

Non-subscribers should get about 500 slots. Subscribers should get 1500. Let the non-subscribers buy additional slots up to 1500 for 100 crowns each.

See, this is the kind of thing I hate because at some point the non-subscriber has what the subscriber has but doesn't need to continue paying.

It should be something more along the lines of non-subscribers get 500 and can buy up to a max of 1000. Subscribers get 1500 so if you want the extra 500, then sub for it.

Darkstorne

kwisatz wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Agreed. This is the same tactic the craft bag uses in a sense: Inventory that, if unsubscribed, becomes almost an inconvenience. I wish they would just listen to the MOUNTAIN of feedback that suggested they add a eso+ transmog system.

Double or triple mount training (reduction in time between training OR 3 training attributes per 20 hours) could be cool.

Increased EXP gain (another 10% on top of the 10%, totaling 20%)

Cheaper upgrades to available storage and inventory spaces (the price is astronomical already, the reason that 90% of players haven't purchased the extra space is because they can't afford it - I remember rich addressing this as the reason why they didn't add storage initially with housing.

Cheaper crowns, always (-10% or -15% off the price of crown packs on all platforms, at all times.)

All of these would be excellent options.

- Mount training: what about people already maxed rider? that would be a totally useless perk.
- Increased XP gain : what about people already CP160 and already have all characters or people that doesnt can/want/have time to reroll ones? that would be a totally useless perk.
- Cheaper upgrades to available storage and inventory: what about people that have already maxed their banks and bags? that would be a totally useless perk.

- Cheaper crowns? Well, I'm not interested, but I can asume that many people can be.

At leat, bank storage is for everyone, veterans and newbies.

Mount training - great for levelling alts.
Increased XP gain - great for levelling alts and your main since you can continue to gain CP after 600.
Cheaper bank and bag upgrades - great solution to the current problem actually. Boost bank space for EVERYONE but allow subs to buy the upgrades at a lower price, or just get them for free.
Cheaper Crowns - More Crowns would be simpler, but the bigger issue here is Crown Store price inflation. 1500 Crowns used to be worth much more when mounts cost between 700-2000, compared to the 2500-5500 they cost today.

Giraffon

For me the issue is they haven't square up with non-subs that have purchased DLC content. They added more items but no more storage. I paid for that DLC. I deserve some storage to go with it (30 slots per DLC would be fair). This whole conversation is about more than extra bank space for subscribers. It's about they way they are trying to squeeze people into subscriptions even if they are buying all sorts of stuff from them via the crown store.

Before they go giving away bank slots to subs, they owe me some bank slots for what I've already paid for.

TheStealthDude

Darkstorne wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @MissBizz pointed out, this is confirmed as a feature for Update 14 coming in June. It's also worth noting that we are exploring other features to add to the ESO Plus membership, though these will be in future updates and not Update 14. Thanks for all the great ideas in the one thread.

When do we get more info on how this is gonna work? Can we have it as a separate eso+ tab instead of just double the slots, if it's just double the amount of slots what happens when you unsub? will the extra be mailed or will players need to remove hundreds of items from their bank before it becomes usable again?

@Zaldan I would imagine we won't know until PTS arrives, but a good educated guess would be looking at how they currently deal with this in other areas of the game. With the crafting bag, you can't put anything in - but everything stays and you can pull it out. I imagine everything will stay in your bank, but before you can put anything in you will need to remove enough items to be below your new limit. Exactly like how the double items in housing works. You can't place any new furniture until you remove enough to be under the limit.

having to remove hundreds of items from bank before you can put anything in would be a nightmare design choice, much better to copy the crafting bag and have it as a separate tab otherwise it'd be like they're punishing people for dropping sub by having to find room for hundreds of items before they can once again use their bank at all, double items for housing has to work that way as you couldn't have a separate house.

That nightmare design choice is exactly how the housing item limit works, and we're talking even more items since manors are 350 I believe standard.. so 700 for subs. This means players would need to remove 351 items from their home before being allowed to add anything in it.

Hopefully if you are someone who flirts with the sub model, you would consider this ahead of time. A single character with maxed out inventory that you don't play could pull enough items out of your bank to consider it usable again.

Bolded my issue with this. It is absolutely useless at attracting new subscribers, and like the craft bags and housing item cap its only purpose is to keep players who start subbing always subbing. Kind of shocking that they looked through that entire thread of suggestions and "what the players want" for ESO+ additions, and decided to lock a key game issue (storage) that has only become worse over time with new materials and housing items, behind a sub gate. Gross, gross, gross. What the hell happened to this dev team?

I don't get how anyone can say this doesn't help attract new subscribers. It is literally an addition perk to subscription, which is an increase in the value (for the same price). I play with a couple new people to the game, who have yet to decide if they want to go the sub route or the buy route. This additional future perk has definitely added some value to subbing and may sway them towards that model.

And storage isn't locked behind any paywall. You have storage whether or not you sub (and plenty of it, seeing how many people have stated they don't even need this upgrade). The Crafting Bag should be more of an outrage than bank slots, if anything.