Azura's Star NA PC Thread PART 3

Scamh

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Sometimes people just give up on the map and want to have fun, avoid the lag at de-emps, or just straight up cause trouble because they know it will *** people off.

lolol careful now, that sounds dangerously close to what I do

I claimed responsibility in AD zone chat for the Bleakers capture cause I knew it would annoy everyone that was trying to dethrone... Shameless! I did use Bleaks as a spawn while chilling at Chal, was nice, saved me a lot of pony sim.

Drasn

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Drasn wrote: »

@Munavar

I apologize if I am coming off as bashing TM, that's not my intent. I was just mildly annoyed yesterday that every time we showed up somewhere... poof there is the same group of AD right behind us.. we are fighting EP in the front with AD trying to get free AP by tagging everything just before the initial fight ends.

If you want to be part of the fight great, be part of the fight... don't use cheap tactics especially when you outnumber us. Stuff like that doesn't make either side better for it. (I understand you weren't there, I'm assuming you are the leader or one of for TM)

The point of what help your faction needed at the time.. DC was pushing Chal because EP was pushing BRK, the group led by TM members that took bleaks during our push cut off DC from chal and didn't help AD defend BRK. That action alone was detrimental to two factions and only served to help EP.

Two things: all factions muck up the works for other factions when the map 'dictates' a common goal for two factions. It happens for all sorts of reasons and is justified for something done to them yesterday.

Bruma and Dragonclaw. DC was not cutoff.

Perhaps cutoff was the wrong word... left us with an unbearably long ride.

WhiteMage

Munavar wrote: »

@WhiteMage
On the 8v2 from stealth occurrence, you would need to go into further details...
Generally, the group is in stealth for...
...... 1) Waiting for the stragglers to arrive at a location
...... 2) On a resource, to obtain a 'surprise vector' on the Nth attempt
...... 3) Back cap attempt (if we arrive too early)
Mostly what any other group (sans gankers) use stealth for.

A question now is, why did you stay if you knew a Xv2 was coming? I get it if you wanted to have the 'fight' to see how you would to do. Maybe kill a couple before withdrawing. But it should not cause any rage when it is your call. Yes, surely, it is frustrating not to be able to find 'small scale' fights but Cyrodiil in it current state is not conducive to those situations.

I suppose I was hoping Lord Micah as online. Idk. If you want a fight as a solo you push your luck and end up biting it as often as not. If I didn't want to die I wouldn't even be PvPing but that's not the point. Don't worry about whether or not your group did anything "out of character" or not while you were gone. Everyone does something ooc from time to time. For example, I zerg surfed last week. The keep capture AP was just too good.

Since you're interested, let's have a little story time with the White Mage. Gather round children. A WoT is coming...

So there I was, riding past bleakers between a blue aleswell and a flagged red chalman. Yellow bleakers in this situation can mean only 1 thing: TM is there. That's not a fight I ever care to pick; I've only ever done a 1vX > 6 one time on an EP group that was VERY, VERY bad, like they were fresh off Deltia's site, and last I checked (I never checked) TM doesn't use Deltia's builds*. Just as I was getting ready to NOPE right on by, I saw something that triggered my solo-senses: one line player hopping around in the NPC. What makes this so irresistible to a soloer? That looks like a fight! It would have been different if more players were visible or no players were visible, considering the situation. So I dismounted and approached from stealth and saw that the kangaroo was not-valla mNB in TM, Lyser-something-or-other. Closer I creep, not bothering to place any expectaions on how this will go. Suddenly, as I'm waking through the tall grass, a TM DK appeared! From stealth, motionless. Could actually have been afk. Either way, I mistformed back a ways back into stealth a good distance from the outpost. I had lost the element of surprise and I was not looking to run away so stealth would do me no good. I stood up and built a house. At this point, the "other mNB" (not-valla) was still bunny rabbiting around in the npcs, and a DC magplar? (777 CP) rode by and took a seat next to me. We chilled there a bit and I didn't notice when Lyser- got off his pogo stick until... suddenly I took a swallow soul from the hop-skip-jump-blade 12m in front of me and then got rooted by talons. For 2 more seconds, the mNB was the only visible enemy so I was kinda confused. Then they appeared. From 8 o'clock to 4 I was surrounded by TM and felt one of my eyebrows raise in the way that a teacher says "r u serious rn?" The fight commences and... takes quite a while for being outnumbered 3-5x. I spent that time nearly perma-rooted because of 3 mDK tanks. I scanned the names, before and after dying: no Lord Micah, but Rowdozer. That suddenly made quite a lot of sense. You see, back a week or 2, TM steamrolled an uncontested roe, but I hid on the top floor. After it seemed like most had left I--you know what? Mr.spring-in-his-step-NB was there in this story too!--went to kill the archer guards after seeing (you guessed it) jumping around alone up top. What happened next went exactly as I expected it: lyser- attacked my and then I charged his butt. Killing your npcs in a place I shouldn't be is how I bait ya, and I take it as a full invitation to kill you if you do attack me then. Cloak decided to work for this 1-in-a-million mNB and saved his life, but the rest of TM was already running up the stairs! They start flinging attacks at me and Rowdozer appears, stealthed, unmoving, in front of me by a pillar. After the first jab, it's clear he is afk, but his group was on top of me now, so flailed around and killed row just as they killed me. Apparently no one could spare a heal or something. Then Micah sent me a tell, "he was afk..." or similar, and I said, "I was getting zerged" or similar. Since that merited a tell, I assume it was also grudge-worthy. I respect that. I still get to rage about it if I want to, ofc.

There. I hope you enjoyed story time with your friendly neighborhood usually-soloer. Tune in next time for another episode. Maybe this time it'll be about EP!


*Calm yourself, mods. It's not that Deltia's builds are bad, it's that any build is bad if you didn't design it for yourself to fit your needs.

Vurian97

I love story time.

Drasn

WhiteMage wrote: »

[ and a DC magplar? (777 CP) rode by and took a seat next to me.

I think I'm in your story!

Vurian97

Drasn wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

[ and a DC magplar? (777 CP) rode by and took a seat next to me.

I think I'm in your story!

Loving story-time even more as it goes on!

WhiteMage

Drasn wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

[ and a DC magplar? (777 CP) rode by and took a seat next to me.

I think I'm in your story!

You are! That was you!

Vurian97 wrote: »

I love story time.

I do too.

Munavar

@Drasn
If you are who I think you are from Vurian's videos, you sound like a nice person.

No, I am not the leader of TM. That is Row.

I am not taking your comments to be bashing. At first, I chuckled some as in the past the impression I had is that Vurian wanted to 'take on' TM and last night seemed that he was not happy with the attention.

It has since turned into a discourse of differing views of the same event. It is the same reason I will watch parts of Fengrush's or Vurian's videos. To see the other side's perspective.

Yes, taking Bleakers hindered DC. But why would you think AD is here to facilitate DC? Hurting AD at BRK? I am going off assumption on this one. If it was TD there, they are learning. Another reason not to go there is that there are already enough comments about TM zergin'.

Also, not everyone at Bleakers is TM. As stated earlier, AD starts coming out of woodwork once it owned by AD.

The way I view this is:
LoDG's driving force is the scoreboard and emp. You set your sights on Chalman to dethrone (and take a few points from EP). With AD losing BRK and harassing you that made your (assumed) goal difficult.

TM had three choices: EP stacked in Chalman; Zerg surf at BRK; or mess with DC groups. They chose the choice that was more fun for them.

Given the populations, I surprised that 'Team Purple' didn't form.

cbaudersub17_ESO

Drasn wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Drasn wrote: »

@Munavar

I apologize if I am coming off as bashing TM, that's not my intent. I was just mildly annoyed yesterday that every time we showed up somewhere... poof there is the same group of AD right behind us.. we are fighting EP in the front with AD trying to get free AP by tagging everything just before the initial fight ends.

If you want to be part of the fight great, be part of the fight... don't use cheap tactics especially when you outnumber us. Stuff like that doesn't make either side better for it. (I understand you weren't there, I'm assuming you are the leader or one of for TM)

The point of what help your faction needed at the time.. DC was pushing Chal because EP was pushing BRK, the group led by TM members that took bleaks during our push cut off DC from chal and didn't help AD defend BRK. That action alone was detrimental to two factions and only served to help EP.

Two things: all factions muck up the works for other factions when the map 'dictates' a common goal for two factions. It happens for all sorts of reasons and is justified for something done to them yesterday.

Bruma and Dragonclaw. DC was not cutoff.

Perhaps cutoff was the wrong word... left us with an unbearably long ride.

Hyperbole. The ride is not THAT much longer.

Plus you can stop and try the cold-fire lottery.

Vurian97

Munavar wrote: »

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Given the populations, I surprised that 'Team Purple' didn't form.

I wasn't.

I do enjoy fighting Tertiary Meat from time to time, but I avoid them majority of the time because it is just another destro ult train. As stated before, if I wanted to experience that form of gameplay, I would go play on Trueflame.

Anytime I see Lord Micah or Komodo Dragon I am hesitant to engage because I am not going to enjoy the fight at all. It's going to be about who has more people or who has more ults coordinated.

Drasn

Munavar wrote: »

If you are who I think you are from Vurian's videos, you sound like a nice person.

I didn't even know Vurian had videos. I'm probably not in any of them though, but I am a nice person....mostly.

Munavar

You sure it isn't who has more Healers? {Because I heal (mostly)}.

Vurian97

Munavar wrote: »

You sure it isn't who has more Healers? {Because I heal (mostly)}.

It definitely can be that. More often than not when LoDG & TM clash it is whoever has the bigger numbers or who has more ults available at the time though.

Munavar

@WhiteMage

Yeah, I am pretty sure no one looks at his stuff. Cool story. Not sure how we 'let' Row die. Though I bet Aily and I were downstairs repin' the doors. No one seems to like that activity.

Last night, I am will to wager that someone spotted Drasn going to your location and hit it not knowing how many were actually there or if you were out of stealth at that time they assumed you to the 'bait' for a larger group in stealth.

The non Valla nightblade is her protégée.

Micah123

If TM stacks with all the AD pugs at chal...TM is a buncha scrubs for zerging in blues eyes. In reds eyes we are scrubs for having to double team faction stack to dethrone.

If TM goes behind enemy lines w/ their group only...TM is a buncha idiots for ruining dc's fun.

For what it's worth, Tuesday night AD started prime time pushed back quite a bit with reds owning a great deal of the map. DC was basically non existent that night. From what I hear there was some EP drama and EP basically stopped defending emp keeps. AD had a good amount of pop on and TM had a solid 12ish on. When we noticed we had the map covered yellow from Ash to BRK, TM group queued for Haderus, instead of PVdooring Emp. We spent a while there and noticed dc had taken Ash and Nikel back. We popped back over to Azura's to be met by a MASS of DC front dooring Roe. AD pop seemed to have dwindled at that point but we wiped DC and I went to bed.

If you look at the map right now AD has tri keeps and 1 scroll. DC is pushed to rayles and warden w/ no scrolls. Everything else is red. Sorry to say it but this would have been the case whether Booz was dethroned last night or not...which is why TM, who represents a tiny percentage of AD's population, doesn't really give two flying flips about faction stacking last emp keep for a dethrone.

To a certain DC Commander...again...I told you, you shouldn't have done what you did.

Vurian97

Micah123 wrote: »

To a certain DC Commander...again...I told you, you shouldn't have done what you did.

Everytime you say that, I laugh.

Minno

Vurian97 wrote: »

Munavar wrote: »

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Given the populations, I surprised that 'Team Purple' didn't form.

I wasn't.

I do enjoy fighting Tertiary Meat from time to time, but I avoid them majority of the time because it is just another destro ult train. As stated before, if I wanted to experience that form of gameplay, I would go play on Trueflame.

Anytime I see Lord Micah or Komodo Dragon I am hesitant to engage because I am not going to enjoy the fight at all. It's going to be about who has more people or who has more ults coordinated.

Negate is a hard counter to that playstyle. In between Ultimates, the destro trains rely heavily on their healing/mobility to train around.

Negate- encase/talons spam will work and have a templar healer spam dark flare for the group debuff or use meatbags (oil catapults for the stam drain/ snare).

Time it the same they time that destro ulti and GG everytime.

But most DC sorcs don't run negate in open world, sadly.

Vurian97

Minno wrote: »

Vurian97 wrote: »

Munavar wrote: »

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Given the populations, I surprised that 'Team Purple' didn't form.

I wasn't.

I do enjoy fighting Tertiary Meat from time to time, but I avoid them majority of the time because it is just another destro ult train. As stated before, if I wanted to experience that form of gameplay, I would go play on Trueflame.

Anytime I see Lord Micah or Komodo Dragon I am hesitant to engage because I am not going to enjoy the fight at all. It's going to be about who has more people or who has more ults coordinated.

Negate is a hard counter to that playstyle. In between Ultimates, the destro trains rely heavily on their healing/mobility to train around.

Negate- encase/talons spam will work and have a templar healer spam dark flare for the group debuff or use meatbags (oil catapults for the stam drain/ snare).

Time it the same they time that destro ulti and GG everytime.

But most DC sorcs don't run negate in open world, sadly.

LoDG is limited on Sorcs and none of them regularly play. I think we have 1 Sorc who comes in once or twice a week currently...

Minno

Vurian97 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Vurian97 wrote: »

Munavar wrote: »

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Given the populations, I surprised that 'Team Purple' didn't form.

I wasn't.

I do enjoy fighting Tertiary Meat from time to time, but I avoid them majority of the time because it is just another destro ult train. As stated before, if I wanted to experience that form of gameplay, I would go play on Trueflame.

Anytime I see Lord Micah or Komodo Dragon I am hesitant to engage because I am not going to enjoy the fight at all. It's going to be about who has more people or who has more ults coordinated.

Negate is a hard counter to that playstyle. In between Ultimates, the destro trains rely heavily on their healing/mobility to train around.

Negate- encase/talons spam will work and have a templar healer spam dark flare for the group debuff or use meatbags (oil catapults for the stam drain/ snare).

Time it the same they time that destro ulti and GG everytime.

But most DC sorcs don't run negate in open world, sadly.

LoDG is limited on Sorcs and none of them regularly play. I think we have 1 Sorc who comes in once or twice a week currently...

That's why my buddy Rinaldo runs negate on his bars. If we see a group having trouble, we can time it's drop to help the pugs/groups out.

Gotta invest in those magicka bums

Sixth

I have negate, but since I cant place it from afar I have to get in close to place it and more often then not, thats a deathwish

donJay

Can confirm that yesterday both yellow and blue groups (won't name them, you know which Zerg guilds you are) left the campaign after being discouraged after losing outnumbered situations against us. I had to leave Azuras because everyone gave up.

Micah123

Vurian97 wrote: »

Munavar wrote: »

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Given the populations, I surprised that 'Team Purple' didn't form.

I wasn't.

I do enjoy fighting Tertiary Meat from time to time, but I avoid them majority of the time because it is just another destro ult train. As stated before, if I wanted to experience that form of gameplay, I would go play on Trueflame.

Anytime I see Lord Micah or Komodo Dragon I am hesitant to engage because I am not going to enjoy the fight at all. It's going to be about who has more people or who has more ults coordinated.

You act like destro is the big bad wolf. Before destro it was meteor that could be exploited on stairs for additional fall damage. Before that it was proxy det steel tornado spam with a little bombard spam for the lol's of it. Before that it was bats and impulse spam. Before that it was standard and talons spam.

Munavar

I don't mind this iteration with destroy ulti so much when you are around Micah.

Sixth

donJay wrote: »

Can confirm that yesterday both yellow and blue groups (won't name them, you know which Zerg guilds you are) left the campaign after being discouraged after losing outnumbered situations against us. I had to leave Azuras because everyone gave up.

aw are you sad cause not everyone plays the way you do, cheer up lil guy

Kartalin

Sixth wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

Can confirm that yesterday both yellow and blue groups (won't name them, you know which Zerg guilds you are) left the campaign after being discouraged after losing outnumbered situations against us. I had to leave Azuras because everyone gave up.

aw are you sad cause not everyone plays the way you do, cheer up lil guy

Uh, isn't that why you're upset about TM?

Sixth

Kartalin wrote: »

Sixth wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

Can confirm that yesterday both yellow and blue groups (won't name them, you know which Zerg guilds you are) left the campaign after being discouraged after losing outnumbered situations against us. I had to leave Azuras because everyone gave up.

aw are you sad cause not everyone plays the way you do, cheer up lil guy

Uh, isn't that why you're upset about TM?

No, zerging is a part of the game, it's not a bad thing. Im not upset at TM, just thought they'd wanna dethrone last night, not push DC in. They had the numbers to do so, not us

Kartalin

I think it's an organization issue after talking to a friend of mine last night. DC players don't really have organized guilds with voice comms etc like AD and EP do. A well organized group like ours that has 10-12 people can easily wipe 24 or more opponents that aren't really communicating and aren't working together. You do have some smaller organized groups but I get the impression that the rest of the faction isn't privy to their goals or thought processes. We (TM) don't really lead the pugs either though sometimes we make suggestions. Like it happens with Fengrush's group they kind of just follow to wherever we are.

Sixth

I completely understand, if random players see a INSERT GUILD NAME here doing something, they naturally follow them. DC population in general is just low on Azuras, I dont think I've seen us poplocked this week at all, but I could be wrong

Heike

donJay wrote: »

Can confirm that yesterday both yellow and blue groups (won't name them, you know which Zerg guilds you are) left the campaign after being discouraged after losing outnumbered situations against us. I had to leave Azuras because everyone gave up.

I can't speak for DC, but which AD group/guild left Azura's? Go ahead... feel free to name groups.

Because, if you're referring to TD, I don't know much about them, but they've only been in AZ for about 10 days? Maybe 2 weeks? But, even if they're not any game-changers, they're still active in zone and in assaults. Certainly not "gone."

As for RoB, we split up for a night; 1/2 went to TF and the rest of us did small group.

And I doubt TM is leaving AS.

So, which group are you talking about...?

Taylor_MB

I hope LoDG recognizes the irony of complaining about people not helping with dethrone and then pushing my 3-man off our ram of inner BRK.

Please don't mistake this for me being upset, was some fun 3-way fights, it's just an uncontrollable itch I have to point out contradictions.