Azura's Star NA PC Thread PART 3

PenguinInACan

You give us the choice between the last emp keep with a faction stack v faction stack and bleakers and we will choose bleakers 9/10 times. Less lag, more open field opportunities, and more fun. Sorry if our video game experience isn't pigeonholed into a particular game-mode. I wonder what that would look like (*cough* battlegrounds *cough*)

Sixth

If you're gonna zerg at least be useful to the campaign with it??

Taylor_MB

I'm going to be condescending as *** here, cause you scrubs need some *** explained to you.

1) The more you whine about something the more tempted people are to repeat that (just ask Nihang and his 10minute tea bagging).

2) "1v2" Team Orange talk is just such an embarrassingly ridiculous assertion. Do you know people in AD zone complain about Team Purple? I guarantee EP pugs complain about Team Green. Take a step back from your faction blindness and see that every faction (including my main faction, AD) do things to *** over other factions when they should be working for dethrone.

3) I can tell you're frustrated and over it, spending hours with 1 Emp keep and failing to complete is hella annoying. Do you know who else is sick of it? AD. The last time I recall (apart from now) it was AD who cracked first and sieged Ash (we tried to persuade the pugs not to, but they have no reason to listen, they just want to have fun, and bashing heads against last Emp keep for hours is not fun). The time before that it was Vurain before his computer packed it.

I'm positive we could trace this tic for tac all the way back to when before AS existed, but it would equally as pointless as only looking at the last 2 weeks. Sometimes people just give up on the map and want to have fun, avoid the lag at de-emps, or just straight up cause trouble because they know it will *** people off.

4) Just, chill the hell out a little. I've explained in great detail previously in the other thread (may it forever rest in salt) about how DC has made itself a target, a little bit of self reflection could go a long way.

Sixth

No scrub here, i always manage to farm lots of red or yellow regardless. im just saying, man up and dethrone, noones asking you to wipe EP out, its 1 keep

Taylor_MB

Sixth wrote: »

No scrub here, i always manage to farm lots of red or yellow regardless. im just saying, man up and dethrone, noones asking you to wipe EP out, its 1 keep

It's cute that you think the ability to "farm" (how much AP/hr do you think constitutes a farm?) makes you not a scrub.

Sixth

that 1 meant a lot

WhiteMage

You win some you lose some. I wanna rage at TM for some silly little zerg situations (like sneaking up from stealth to 8v2 players who know you're there, like wtf? That's what the AD pugs do! Maybe Row had a grudge or something. If so, I get that.) and also thank TM (mostly Lord Micah) for letting a 1v1 with another member of TM (she started it) go on for a while without interruption. Also, hi vujk @ ash lm.

ellahellabella

Gets home from work and makes coffee.
Sits down at pc and opens eso forums...

30 notifications from AZ part 3 thread...
"Ooooh, Dis gonna be good!"

Was not disappoint


10/10. will read and meme again!

Taylor_MB

Sixth wrote: »

that 1 meant a lot

Posting this like it means anything really does just perfectly demonstrate my point.
• 483 AP - nice kill assist
• 2 revenges (just in your group) - I'm happy with that KD
• You felt the need to take a screenshot says a lot

I know you won't believe me anyway, but I was actually experiencing several 999+ ping spikes up at Bleakers with a few 5second freezes (did you not notice me standing there doing nothing?). That is what allowed you to catch up to me and 5v1 (only one was your group member though looking at your map).

If you really want to test your mettle I'd be happy to duel, no e-peen, no bragging rights, I appreciate people put their pride on the line in a duel. Kavi J and I had some great ones at Nikel.

Sixth

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Sixth wrote: »

that 1 meant a lot

Posting this like it means anything really does just perfectly demonstrate my point.
• 483 AP - nice kill assist
• 2 revenges (just in your group) - I'm happy with that KD
• You felt the need to take a screenshot says a lot

I know you won't believe me anyway, but I was actually experiencing several 999+ ping spikes up at Bleakers with a few 5second freezes (did you not notice me standing there doing nothing?). That is what allowed you to catch up to me and 5v1 (only one was your group member though looking at your map).

If you really want to test your mettle I'd be happy to duel, no e-peen, no bragging rights, I appreciate people put their pride on the line in a duel. Kavi J and I had some great ones at Nikel.

I'll happily duel you one day and I believe you as well with the ping spikes, if we share a common enemy it's ZOS servers

Sixth

But that was not one of those times either!

Drasn

PenguinInACan wrote: »

You give us the choice between the last emp keep with a faction stack v faction stack and bleakers and we will choose bleakers 9/10 times. Less lag, more open field opportunities, and more fun. Sorry if our video game experience isn't pigeonholed into a particular game-mode. I wonder what that would look like (*cough* battlegrounds *cough*)

The point of my post is why were you at bleakers to begin with? You weren't helping your faction in any way. At least when Booze and Co go all PVP troll they do it in places that benefit EP.

Unlike DC, AD has the consistent numbers to stand against EP on a regular basis but most of the time a select group is too busy trolling DC.

Munavar

wrote: »

The point of my post is why were you at bleakers to begin with? You weren't helping your faction in any way. At least when Booze and Co go all PVP troll they do it in places that benefit EP.

Unlike DC, AD has the consistent numbers to stand against EP on a regular basis but most of the time a select group is too busy trolling DC.

@Drasn
I took the night 'off' so cannot speak directly to the decisions specifically made but ...
...... 1) On Tuesday, the time spent was nearly exclusively versus EP. Maybe, last night had a more DC lean to it.
...... 2) Maybe activities with individuals prior to a group forming dictated a DC lean to the night.
...... 3) From the screen shot provided, the option are:
............ a.) PvDoor Drake. No reason.
............ b.) PvDoor Kings for a scroll and attract 95% of the AD.
............ c.) Join the zerg at BRK. No thank you, it is very rare that the group will head into an AD zerg
............ d.) Bleakers being in between DC & EP. Sounds like a fun place to be.
...... 4) Dethroning is not a high consideration in decision making. Unless someone specifically wants an emp run as the
map will be flipped in a few hours anyways.

A question for you is, 'How did the faction need any help at this specific time?' With EP turtled and DC 'H' bent on Chalman the Randoms were not pinned down anywhere and had manageable odds in objectives they chose. Keep in mind that a lot of these players siege postern doors with fire ballista when the few do actually place siege.

@Sixth
How many people do you think is in a TM group? We have been slightly larger recently as a few people have started playing in group again. Bleakers is AD's honey. I swear, 5 random AD players port in even before the door is repaired. If they die any where on the map and AD holds it; it is the first choice as a spawn location (unless there is a bridge fight)

@WhiteMage
On the 8v2 from stealth occurrence, you would need to go into further details...
Generally, the group is in stealth for...
...... 1) Waiting for the stragglers to arrive at a location
...... 2) On a resource, to obtain a 'surprise vector' on the Nth attempt
...... 3) Back cap attempt (if we arrive too early)
Mostly what any other group (sans gankers) use stealth for.

A question now is, why did you stay if you knew a Xv2 was coming? I get it if you wanted to have the 'fight' to see how you would to do. Maybe kill a couple before withdrawing. But it should not cause any rage when it is your call. Yes, surely, it is frustrating not to be able to find 'small scale' fights but Cyrodiil in it current state is not conducive to those situations.

Sixth

@josh thought you were alright but you're just a boozdog sheep lmao

Vurian97

There comes a time when you grow irritated with what you see and there comes a time when you just shrug and go away.

I returned yesterday as my first day back and DC managed to fight only AD the entire time I was online. Why? Because AD kept pushing DC for no utter reason than to just get AP. We took Nikel (I wasn't surprised, it was their home territory, but it was owned by EP), they attempted a back-door and got wiped. We went to Ash to retake it from EP, AD showed up to attempt a backdoor. Once again, we wiped them. Sure enough, they took Bleakers as we were headed to go hit Chal for a dethrone. I shrugged and said that I was done with Azura's Star for the night. If I wanted to just PvP and smash faces I would go into Trueflame. I play in Azura's Star because the map is actually interesting there and isn't constantly flipping with AP Farms and every other nonsense that goes on in Trueflame.

Yesterday was awful in my opinion. It's no surprise to me though. After winning 8 months in a row, we were bound to get ganged on once we were lesser in numbers. I do find it funny that a select group of EP like to t-bag me anytime they zerg me down though, as does a select player on AD. It is adorable to say the least that you pay enough attention to where I died so you can return to said spot to t-bag.

I hope more people change over from Trueflame & Haderus when this campaign cycle ends... and I don't mean for just DC, I mean for all factions. This campaign cycle had been exciting and very fun for the first few weeks. I was gone for half a week due to computer problems but now I am back and I see that half week really shook up DC for some reason. Whether it's PAX going on, Double AP made them tired of PvP, or just general life getting to people, but we definitely had less numbers than usual last night. (It was a Wednesday anyway, some people go to Church then, so once again, no surprise)

For the few fights that I did experience yesterday, they were fun, they were challenging, and to say the least, I felt accomplished with what I did for the day. Keep it up everyone, every day that we all continue to play in the campaign, every day that we bring reason to motivate ourselves to return, is another day that Azura's Star remains a Campaign that we get to play in.

Humphie

Sixth wrote: »

@josh thought you were alright but you're just a boozdog sheep lmao

Learn to tag?

@Joshlenoir

Sixth

Humphie wrote: »

Sixth wrote: »

@josh thought you were alright but you're just a boozdog sheep lmao

Learn to tag?

@Joshlenoir

You get notifications anyway, he'll see my pretty lil name but thanks

NightSquirrel

Lol

Drasn

Munavar wrote: »

wrote: »

The point of my post is why were you at bleakers to begin with? You weren't helping your faction in any way. At least when Booze and Co go all PVP troll they do it in places that benefit EP.

Unlike DC, AD has the consistent numbers to stand against EP on a regular basis but most of the time a select group is too busy trolling DC.

@Drasn
I took the night 'off' so cannot speak directly to the decisions specifically made but ...
...... 1) On Tuesday, the time spent was nearly exclusively versus EP. Maybe, last night had a more DC lean to it.
...... 2) Maybe activities with individuals prior to a group forming dictated a DC lean to the night.
...... 3) From the screen shot provided, the option are:
............ a.) PvDoor Drake. No reason.
............ b.) PvDoor Kings for a scroll and attract 95% of the AD.
............ c.) Join the zerg at BRK. No thank you, it is very rare that the group will head into an AD zerg
............ d.) Bleakers being in between DC & EP. Sounds like a fun place to be.
...... 4) Dethroning is not a high consideration in decision making. Unless someone specifically wants an emp run as the
map will be flipped in a few hours anyways.

A question for you is, 'How did the faction need any help at this specific time?' With EP turtled and DC 'H' bent on Chalman the Randoms were not pinned down anywhere and had manageable odds in objectives they chose. Keep in mind that a lot of these players siege postern doors with fire ballista when the few do actually place siege.

I can tell you pretty much what the gameplan was, wait for EP to take everything that DC held including scrolls and when DC finally was able to mount an offensive to start getting some of their keeps back a group with TM at the forefront constantly ambushed us as we broke into the keep stating all the way back at Glade(keep in mind this was when AD was poplocked, EP was 2 bars, and DC was 1 bar). So the losing faction, with the least population, and no territory to their name was being harassed all day by TM and the pugs following them around. (The screenshot was just an example.) There was absolutely no strategic reason whatsoever for doing the things they were doing.

To counter your c. AD actually had just recently lost BRK because 20 plus people were too busy chasing down 1 to 2 DC at a time

As for your d. (as well as someone elses post from earlier) I played DAoC for 8+ years I'm all for open field combat between two to three factions at once, even better if its organized. But what TM was doing yesterday was far from that, as I stated earlier they were following DC around destro-bombing every time we took one of our keeps back and harassing us every step of the way.

I get that its pvp and we are all at war, yada yada. I get that it feels good to have those small victories here and there, but ffs 10-20 people picking off 1's and 2's as they try to get back to the real fight? Where is the skill in that? All those actions do is make the guild you represent look bad and lose respect.

Look, I haven't been on Azura's that long, so I can only speak for recent matters and I don't know any of the history between guilds and people that have been their longer, all I can speak on is what a new player sees when they enter the campaign. What I see is that DC as a whole is unorganized and undermanned, but everyone here already knew that. EP and AD both have the number to poplock but for some reasons AD's leaders are content with letting EP win the campaign. Say what you want about DC but at least they are trying to put up a fight against EP.

Fisherman

how did this thread make it to page 11?














1240? Where's the 3?

Rickter

how did this thread make it to page 4?

Minno

Drasn wrote: »

Munavar wrote: »

wrote: »

The point of my post is why were you at bleakers to begin with? You weren't helping your faction in any way. At least when Booze and Co go all PVP troll they do it in places that benefit EP.

Unlike DC, AD has the consistent numbers to stand against EP on a regular basis but most of the time a select group is too busy trolling DC.

@Drasn
I took the night 'off' so cannot speak directly to the decisions specifically made but ...
...... 1) On Tuesday, the time spent was nearly exclusively versus EP. Maybe, last night had a more DC lean to it.
...... 2) Maybe activities with individuals prior to a group forming dictated a DC lean to the night.
...... 3) From the screen shot provided, the option are:
............ a.) PvDoor Drake. No reason.
............ b.) PvDoor Kings for a scroll and attract 95% of the AD.
............ c.) Join the zerg at BRK. No thank you, it is very rare that the group will head into an AD zerg
............ d.) Bleakers being in between DC & EP. Sounds like a fun place to be.
...... 4) Dethroning is not a high consideration in decision making. Unless someone specifically wants an emp run as the
map will be flipped in a few hours anyways.

A question for you is, 'How did the faction need any help at this specific time?' With EP turtled and DC 'H' bent on Chalman the Randoms were not pinned down anywhere and had manageable odds in objectives they chose. Keep in mind that a lot of these players siege postern doors with fire ballista when the few do actually place siege.

I can tell you pretty much what the gameplan was, wait for EP to take everything that DC held including scrolls and when DC finally was able to mount an offensive to start getting some of their keeps back a group with TM at the forefront constantly ambushed us as we broke into the keep stating all the way back at Glade(keep in mind this was when AD was poplocked, EP was 2 bars, and DC was 1 bar). So the losing faction, with the least population, and no territory to their name was being harassed all day by TM and the pugs following them around. (The screenshot was just an example.) There was absolutely no strategic reason whatsoever for doing the things they were doing.

To counter your c. AD actually had just recently lost BRK because 20 plus people were too busy chasing down 1 to 2 DC at a time

As for your d. (as well as someone elses post from earlier) I played DAoC for 8+ years I'm all for open field combat between two to three factions at once, even better if its organized. But what TM was doing yesterday was far from that, as I stated earlier they were following DC around destro-bombing every time we took one of our keeps back and harassing us every step of the way.

I get that its pvp and we are all at war, yada yada. I get that it feels good to have those small victories here and there, but ffs 10-20 people picking off 1's and 2's as they try to get back to the real fight? Where is the skill in that? All those actions do is make the guild you represent look bad and lose respect.

Look, I haven't been on Azura's that long, so I can only speak for recent matters and I don't know any of the history between guilds and people that have been their longer, all I can speak on is what a new player sees when they enter the campaign. What I see is that DC as a whole is unorganized and undermanned, but everyone here already knew that. EP and AD both have the number to poplock but for some reasons AD's leaders are content with letting EP win the campaign. Say what you want about DC but at least they are trying to put up a fight against EP.

Last night I was testing a new build so I was between AZ and TF to test it. but regardless, the time I was on we pushed to chal. Only 6 DC there while a group of wearwolves were at Bruma engaged with another DC group and our forces south engaging AD. It's like AD IS content with second place despite 19 days left to flip the score lol.

Minno

Rickter wrote: »

how did this thread make it to page 4?

Fisherman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLMo1Ye6fUI


Edit: Gross, your vulnerabilities are showing again.
What's going on in this thread right now? Why are your eyes over here?
12:32 on 3/02/17? Nah, that's not right.

Kartalin

It got to page four because people like the above weren't in here posting memes and such. Actual campaign discussion, you know? Even if it is all TM hate

I didn't log in until after the group was at bleakers and then joined them there. But we let a lot run past us to Chalman, and only gave the business to those that checked out the outpost itself.

Munavar

Now I kind of wish that I had been on to get the 'other side' of these events.

@Vurian97
So... If you won a fight against EP at Nikel and a second fight against AD (not sure why you would leave this location) and then won another fight with EP at Ash and yet another fight with AD there as well and at the end of your post you said you had fun. Why be 'done'? There appears to be a contradiction here.

@Drasn
You did not answer the question of what help the faction needed at that specific time. Unless, you meant to with the comment of BRK having just being lost. I suspect it was TD there and they are learning.

There is no master game plan for the campaign as far as TM is concerned. I do not know of anyone that cares about campaign rewards. Sure, they are better than nothing and are glanced at when they arrive but they are an after thought. It was more probable that DC activity or EP's turtling was the driving factor for any plan. Maybe TD was active at BRK. This is the part where I cannot address specifics.

No strategic reason? You are trying to apply actions through LoDG's viewpoint of the campaign. It sounds like they found fights.

All day? Yes, there are TM members on throughout the day but really the group (as an entity) runs mainly in Eastern prime time a few nights a week. Harassed? That makes it sound like the encounters were won by DC and were just a nuisance. Aren't you having fun winning these fights?

There are a few blood thirsty members, but I highly doubt the entirety of the TM was running down 1s & 2s. It has occurred in the past but there is ire involved.

If TM did have a full group on with an AD pop lock and low bars DC & EP the chances are they would have bounced to Haderus or Trueflame as an option. Contrary to popular belief, zergin' down the downtrodden is not considered 'fun'.

Every faction considers itself unorganized and undermanned. From an AD perspective, DC runs as whole. It was not uncommon to see 80+ DC rolling around (I have personally seen 100+). EP (at times) gets a core Guild to wrangle some of the randoms around them as human shields and a few small man groups running about AP farming at resources. AD is mainly LFG loners being easy AP for DC\EP. The influence of TD recently has, at least, banded them together making them slightly less easy AP. Though on the downside, I did see TD4 in zone the other night.

"Say what you want about DC but at least they are trying to put up a fight against EP." is the divergent viewpoint here. Is a LoDG member in the top slot for Emp? TM will be engaged with either DC or EP on any given night or any given time. Where Row says is where we go. {This is not a slight on Kart. He just starts late and by then it is like wrangling cats}

Vurian97

LoDG's highest spot on the AP Leaderboard is #5 and that is me. Kavi J (The Black Fenrir) dropped his #1 spot to allow B-Laird (A Zerg Surfer) to get Emperor. B-Laird is still #1 right now.


To the remark of being 'done', it is annoying to not have meaningful fights. I want to fight for map coverage / Campaign Score. When people are coming in and their only driving factor is AP, I get annoyed. The only time I ever fight AD is if they're back-dooring for easy AP attempt or to just be a pest and hinder our dethrone attempt on EP.

I love the community of Azura's Star for it's competitiveness. You feel accomplished when you win against certain people. You feel accomplished based on your campaign score (if you are winning, but when you are losing you don't care). You feel accomplished if you manage a dethrone, etc. In Trueflame, it's just a follow the zerg and hope your zerg out destro ulted the other zerg or outnumbered them. Trueflame is where I go to get kills and just have chill PvP. I play in Azura's Star because I know taking the map will be rough and I know that most of the fights will be challenging and engaging.

Munavar

"You feel accomplished based on your campaign score (if you are winning, but when you are losing you don't care)"

This is the difference. It is not because AD is losing that I and others do not care about the score. There have been plenty of 'wins' in the past. I am not an original, but I have been doing this for a long time.

The not caring about the score boils down to two reasons:
..... 1) It is that in all of the campaign rewards; I very occasionally use 1. As stated, they are better than nothing but are not
.........the reason for being there.
..... 2) 'Wins' are dictated by which faction has the cappers (night/morning) prior to the campaign's lull period (as the points
.........accumulate). It has nothing to do with while the campaign is active.

Honestly, the reason to be there is people like you who will push and defend objectives that they care about that will present adversaries.

Drasn

@Munavar

I apologize if I am coming off as bashing TM, that's not my intent. I was just mildly annoyed yesterday that every time we showed up somewhere... poof there is the same group of AD right behind us.. we are fighting EP in the front with AD trying to get free AP by tagging everything just before the initial fight ends.

If you want to be part of the fight great, be part of the fight... don't use cheap tactics especially when you outnumber us. Stuff like that doesn't make either side better for it. (I understand you weren't there, I'm assuming you are the leader or one of for TM)

The point of what help your faction needed at the time.. DC was pushing Chal because EP was pushing BRK, the group led by TM members that took bleaks during our push cut off DC from chal and didn't help AD defend BRK. That action alone was detrimental to two factions and only served to help EP.

cbaudersub17_ESO

Drasn wrote: »

@Munavar

I apologize if I am coming off as bashing TM, that's not my intent. I was just mildly annoyed yesterday that every time we showed up somewhere... poof there is the same group of AD right behind us.. we are fighting EP in the front with AD trying to get free AP by tagging everything just before the initial fight ends.

If you want to be part of the fight great, be part of the fight... don't use cheap tactics especially when you outnumber us. Stuff like that doesn't make either side better for it. (I understand you weren't there, I'm assuming you are the leader or one of for TM)

The point of what help your faction needed at the time.. DC was pushing Chal because EP was pushing BRK, the group led by TM members that took bleaks during our push cut off DC from chal and didn't help AD defend BRK. That action alone was detrimental to two factions and only served to help EP.

Two things: all factions muck up the works for other factions when the map 'dictates' a common goal for two factions. It happens for all sorts of reasons and is justified for something done to them yesterday.

Bruma and Dragonclaw. DC was not cutoff.